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  • rugger130@juno.com
    Hi David, I m also a pt of Dr. Soldo. Quite happy with my tx so far. If you search for my email name in the archives, you ll be able to pull up my rather
    Message 1 of 12 , Jun 1, 2005
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      Hi David,
      I'm also a pt of Dr. Soldo. Quite happy with my tx so far. If
      you search for my email name in the archives, you'll be able to pull up
      my rather lengthy report after my 1st tx.
      I see him again on Fri. June 10th, then every three weeks thru
      the summer.
      (Is anyone else planning on being tx'd on any of the same dates?
      Would love the chance to say "hello" to more of you in person!)
      Take care,
      Ellen
      (Seattle)
    • westcoast073
      Hi Ellen, Glad to hear your treatment is going well. Quick question for you...given that both Dr. Soldo and Dr. Darm are two of the leaders in ipl/laser
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        Hi Ellen,

        Glad to hear your treatment is going well. Quick question for
        you...given that both Dr. Soldo and Dr. Darm are two of the leaders in
        ipl/laser treatment, I'm curious to know why you chose to travel all
        the way to see Dr. Soldo, when Dr. Darm is located so much closer to
        you?

        Thanks for sharing any thoughts.

        --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, rugger130@j... wrote:
        >
        > Hi David,
        > I'm also a pt of Dr. Soldo. Quite happy with my tx so far.
        If
        > you search for my email name in the archives, you'll be able to pull
        up
        > my rather lengthy report after my 1st tx.
        > I see him again on Fri. June 10th, then every three weeks thru
        > the summer.
        > (Is anyone else planning on being tx'd on any of the same
        dates?
        > Would love the chance to say "hello" to more of you in person!)
        > Take care,
        > Ellen
        > (Seattle)
      • rugger130@juno.com
        Hi Westcoast, I ruled Darm out early on due to the following info:DARM, Jerrold R., MD10790, Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on October
        Message 3 of 12 , Jun 2, 2005
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          Hi Westcoast,
          I ruled Darm out early on due to the following info:DARM, Jerrold
          R., MD10790, Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on
          October 18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation under
          the following terms: maintain aphysician/patient relationship with a
          mental healthprovider; complete six hours of continuing medicaleducation
          courses related to establishing and main-taining appropriate
          doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk management course; must
          havechaperones when examining or treating femalepatients eighteen years
          or older
          DARM, Jerrold R., MD10790, Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered
          into on October 18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation
          under the following terms: maintain aphysician/patient relationship with
          a mental healthprovider; complete six hours of continuing
          medicaleducation courses related to establishing and main-taining
          appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk management course;
          must havechaperones when examining or treating femalepatients eighteen
          years or olderDARM, Jerrold R., MD10790, Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated
          order was entered into on October 18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and
          placed onprobation under the following terms: maintain aphysician/patient
          relationship with a mental healthprovider; complete six hours of
          continuing medicaleducation courses related to establishing and
          main-taining appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk
          management course; must havechaperones when examining or treating
          femalepatients eighteen years or olderPDF] Chaperones and Communication
          File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
          ... JAMES D. SCOTT, MD, Chair. Roseburg. MARCIA G. DARM, MD, Vice Chair.
          Portland
          ... DARM, Jerrold R., MD10790, Lake Oswego, OR ...
          www.bme.state.or.us/newsletter/FallWinter01.pdf - Similar pages

          Another list member bumped into this and shared it with me quite
          a while ago. I've been emailed by handfuls of folks on the list as to
          why I've chosen to go to Scottsdale, when Portland is closer. I've
          responded privately until now. I felt an ethical dilemma responding to
          your question on the list, but have decided to post my response because
          it was starting to feel like I'm keeping a secret. The I don't know the
          details of why Darm's female pt's need to be chaperoned, but I wasn't
          comfortable pursuing tx with him, knowing that he was sanctioned in this
          way. I'm sure some will consider this trivial unrelated to his medical
          ability, but for me it was a quick "rule out".
          I do wish Soldo was closer, but I'm content with my decision.
          Best,
          Ellen
          (Seattle)


          <Message: 9
          Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:54:42 -0000
          From: "westcoast073" <westcoast073@...>
          Subject: Re: Attention Dr. Soldo's patients

          Hi Ellen,

          Glad to hear your treatment is going well. Quick question for
          you...given that both Dr. Soldo and Dr. Darm are two of the leaders in
          ipl/laser treatment, I'm curious to know why you chose to travel all
          the way to see Dr. Soldo, when Dr. Darm is located so much closer to
          you?

          Thanks for sharing any thoughts.>


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        • Dr. Geoffrey Nase, PhD
          ... I ruled Darm out early on due to the following info:DARM, Jerrold ... under the following terms: maintain aphysician/patient relationship with a mental
          Message 4 of 12 , Jun 3, 2005
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            > Hi Westcoast,
            >
            I ruled Darm out early on due to the following info:DARM, Jerrold
            > R., MD10790, Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on
            > October 18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation
            under the following terms: maintain aphysician/patient relationship
            with a mental healthprovider; complete six hours of continuing
            medicaleducation courses related to establishing and main-taining
            appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk management
            course; must havechaperones when examining or treating
            femalepatients eighteen years or older DARM, Jerrold R., MD10790,
            Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on October
            18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation
            > under the following terms: maintain aphysician/patient
            relationship with a mental healthprovider; complete six hours of
            continuing medicaleducation courses related to establishing and main-
            taining appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk
            management course; must havechaperones when examining or treating
            femalepatients eighteen years or olderDARM, Jerrold R., MD10790,
            Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on October
            18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation under the
            following terms: maintain aphysician/patient relationship with a
            mental healthprovider; complete six hours of continuing
            medicaleducation courses related to establishing and main-taining
            appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk management
            course; must havechaperones when examining or treating
            > femalepatients eighteen years or olderPDF] Chaperones and
            Communication >



            Another list member bumped into this and shared it with me quite
            > a while ago. I've been emailed by handfuls of folks on the list
            as to why I've chosen to go to Scottsdale, when Portland is closer.
            I've responded privately until now. I felt an ethical dilemma
            responding to your question on the list, but have decided to post my
            response because it was starting to feel like I'm keeping a secret.
            The I don't know the details of why Darm's female pt's need to be
            chaperoned, but I wasn't comfortable pursuing tx with him, knowing
            that he was sanctioned in this way. I'm sure some will consider
            this trivial unrelated to his medical ability, but for me it was a
            quick "rule out". I do wish Soldo was closer, but I'm content with
            my decision.
            > Best,
            > Ellen
            > (Seattle)


            Dear Group,

            I just read the above post by Ellen from Seattle. She surely has
            the right to check the background of any physician that may perform
            treatments on her. This is a wise move. However, private emails
            and public postings like this on a subject that she never followed
            up on does not mean very much and can be VERY misleading. She also
            posted the same 6 sentences about Dr. Darm three times in a row
            which made it look like a long detailed event. It was a simple
            innocent event. Ellen, did you not think to take the time to call
            Dr. Darm in person and discuss this with him before passing
            judgment?

            I knew about this event a year ago when I decided to collaborate
            with Dr. Darm. He explained the event in great detail and it put me
            at complete ease. It was not brought up again until today. This
            was a six sentence light reprimand for an innocent action. Four
            years ago Dr. Darm exchanged a MUTUAL embrace with a female patient
            after a laser treatment. Everything was fine. She left after the
            treatment as would any satisfied patient. However, after discussion
            with her sister and MANY MONTHS later after the incident, the
            patient reported the incident to the Oregon Board of Medical
            Examiners. As a result Dr. Darm received a reprimand. The incident
            was not related to medical treatment; it was related to an innocent
            hug. Dr. Darm was literally in shock. He hired his own private
            investigator because he could not believe what was happening. It
            seems that the sister influenced the patient under question – it was
            eventually all about getting money out of a doctor.

            Dr. Darm has remained in good standing and compliance with the
            Oregon Board of Medical Examiners since that time. It was an
            unfortunate incident, but does not influence his medical practice.

            Now, let me tell you about the real life truths in the Academic
            World. As a Post Doctorate Fellow, I was allowed to date former
            students, hug students out of joy for getting an A on a test, or
            getting into medical school, etc. I am a very affectionate, warm
            blooded Italian who loves to show his joy and I wear my heart on my
            sleeve. I give students high-fives in the hall way, kiss grants
            before we send them out (four or five male and female faces
            smothered together trying to kiss our grant for good luck) ;
            however, I learned very quickly when I became faculty that my world
            had totally changed. We had a full year of classes on proper
            behavior of both sexes towards each other. As a faculty member, I
            could no longer date any student, I could not give high fives, I
            could not hug any student or anyone lower in rank then I was. Worse
            than this…….. if a female came into my lab or office, I had to run
            to find a companion to be with me while they talked to me about
            their problems or go over tests, etc. I had to leave the front door
            wide open and my office door wide open. And this goes for both
            sexes (e.g. Female Faculty encounters with male students).

            One day I had a female come in and she was crying because she
            received a "C" on her test and said she needed an "A" to help her
            solidify her chances to get into medical school. She was a great
            person, but I had to literally run out the door and I could not find
            anyone to chaperone our conversation because there was a large
            seminar. It was ridiculous. I could not even go back into my own
            lab. I just wanted to give her an extra credit assignment because
            she took the test during personal tribulations. I basically
            deserted her because the classes on proper etiquette scared the life
            out of me. So, I did what I was taught, but then was reprimanded
            for abandoning my student??????

            I have been active at four large medical Universities throughout my
            training. I know of three personal Faculty friends (one female) who
            did not follow the rules to a tee. They were reprimanded for not
            having a chaperone. That's it. All three were then fired and left
            the University. They can NEVER find another job in any University
            in the US. They had to go to Pharmaceutical companies. I also know
            of a student (and friend of mine) in medical school who failed her
            qualifying exams because of plagiarism. She then went to her mentor
            and told him that one faculty member failed her because she would
            not accept the passes he made at her. This information got around
            the entire school and to the Dean by the end of the day. The
            Professor was GUILTY until proven innocent. He told the Dean that
            he failed her because she plagiarized much of her qualifying exam.
            The Professor brought up the books that she plagiarized from and the
            Dean cleared him. The mentor let the female student go and kicked
            her out of medical school. But the damage had been done to the
            Professor. The Professor's wife was called at lunch and told that
            he was cheating on her with a student. So the Professor's wife
            packed up, took both small boys and went to a lawyer to get
            separation papers. The poor professor came home to an empty house,
            separation papers and a horrible headache. He finally spoke to her
            and tried to patch things up (which were great before then), but it
            was difficult. He then had to come in everyday to rumors about how
            he tried to seduce a student. The burden was too great. He
            resigned from the University, finally got divorced because the trust
            was gone and works odd jobs – all because of one nasty false rumor.

            I support Dr. Darm 1,000%. I have worked with him for a year and
            you can tell within seconds that he is a caring, vibrant, loving,
            affectionate man (who by the way has been taking care of his wife
            right now who has cancer). Everyone wants to hug him for putting
            their rosacea into remission. I would want to hug all my patients.
            You cant do this anymore.

            With the advances Dr. Darm and I have made this last year, he is
            clearly one of the three best laser specialists for the treatment of
            rosacea in the US. Hands down. I stake my reputation on that.

            FOR ANYONE WHO HAS ANY DOUBTS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF DR. DARM, KNOW
            THAT I CAN ONLY HOPE TO ACHIEVE WHAT HE HAS AND PERFORM THE WAY HE
            HAS ---IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS INTEGRITY THEN YOU ARE
            QUESTIONING MY INTEGRITY. IT IS THAT CLEAR. IF MY EIGHT YEARS ON
            THE INTERNET HAVE TAUGHT YOU ANYTHING ABOUT MY INTEGRITY, THEN
            PLEASE HOLD DR. DARM'S INTEGRITY AS HIGH. I STAKE MY WORD, MY NAME
            AND MY REPUTATION ON DR. DARM.

            On a personal note, Ellen you should be absolutely ashamed of
            yourself. Gossip, six lines of unreadable text by a Medical Board
            that you made into an earthquake and the way you handled this
            secretly and then publicly is disgraceful. You look up the doctor's
            background….....that's great. You see a small ding in it……. give
            the physician a chance to detail what happened with one simple phone
            call or just shut your yap. If you did this to me in Academia, I
            would be fired tomorrow. Think a little bit before you act or post
            in a single key stroke. You owe Dr. Darm an apology, you owe me an
            apology and you owe the group an apology.

            Geoffrey
            ______________________________

            Dr. Geoffrey Nase
            Ph.D. Neurovascular Physiologist
            http://www.drnase.com
            ______________________________
          • LilWench@aol.com
            As a patient of Dr. Darm s I couldn t agree with Dr. Nase more. Dr. Darm is a very caring nice man and it is extremely unfair for such a thing to be posted
            Message 5 of 12 , Jun 3, 2005
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              As a patient of Dr. Darm's I couldn't agree with Dr. Nase more. Dr. Darm is a
              very caring nice man and it is extremely unfair for such a thing to be posted
              about him on this board, especially since it has nothing to do with his
              medical abilities. He has never shown any sort of inappropriate behavior when I was
              in his office. I would highly recommend him for treatment of Rosacea, he has
              really helped me.

              Annie


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            • arteest103@earthlink.net
              While I feel very sorry this has happened, I am selfishly glad it did as I ve learned a lot from this whole affair. I ve learned not to take a negative report
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                While I feel very sorry this has happened, I am selfishly glad it did
                as I've learned a lot from this whole affair. I've learned not to
                take a negative report like this about a doctor too seriously until
                I've researched further or contacted him or her. I've also learned
                how serious the results of rumours and accusations can be in health
                care and academia. Regarding Ellen's behaviour, I'm not so sure I
                wouldn't have kept quiet as she did. There are things in my past
                which would make it extremely difficult for me to confront a man on
                this topic. But, as I said, I have learned much from these 2 posts.

                I thank you both for your posts.
                Karen
              • andrew_rosacea
                Geoffrey, A very thoughtful post. You clearly highlight some interesting points about how modern medicine and academia work with respect to this kind of
                Message 7 of 12 , Jun 3, 2005
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                  Geoffrey,

                  A very thoughtful post. You clearly highlight some interesting
                  points about how modern medicine and academia work with respect to
                  this kind of issue. From my personal viewpoint, it looks like the
                  pendulum has swung too far against the medical profession.

                  However, I think you are a touch unfair on Ellen. She was sharing
                  her personal reasons for chosing Dr. Soldo over Dr. Darm, based on
                  publically available information. I don't think it was realistic
                  for her to phone Dr. Darm and ask him about this, before posting the
                  information to the group.

                  I feel sorry for Dr. Darm if he has been treated unfairly by being
                  reprimanded (which from what you've said, it sounds like), but I
                  think Ellen is within her rights to share the information with us.
                  Especially given that it is answers a question many were asking
                  about why she chose Dr. Soldo, despite the long commute.

                  Ellen: Thank you for sharing.

                  Andrew.

                  --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Geoffrey Nase, PhD"
                  <drnase1000@h...> wrote:
                  > FOR ANYONE WHO HAS ANY DOUBTS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF DR. DARM,
                  KNOW
                  > THAT I CAN ONLY HOPE TO ACHIEVE WHAT HE HAS AND PERFORM THE WAY
                  HE
                  > HAS ---IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS INTEGRITY THEN YOU ARE
                  > QUESTIONING MY INTEGRITY. IT IS THAT CLEAR. IF MY EIGHT YEARS ON
                  > THE INTERNET HAVE TAUGHT YOU ANYTHING ABOUT MY INTEGRITY, THEN
                  > PLEASE HOLD DR. DARM'S INTEGRITY AS HIGH. I STAKE MY WORD, MY
                  NAME
                  > AND MY REPUTATION ON DR. DARM.
                • Jillian Parlee
                  Absolutely I agree with DR. Nase - Gossip can destroy someone s life. Being a woman I can certainly understand why someone would have fears but we also must
                  Message 8 of 12 , Jun 3, 2005
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                    Absolutely I agree with DR. Nase - Gossip can destroy someone's life.
                    Being a woman I can certainly understand why someone would have fears
                    but we also must remember that things can get blown out of proportion
                    and let us not forget that greed and the almighty dollar can also be
                    a big incentive for someone to pursue such a complaint. I think it
                    is unfair to judge a person without never having met them. I would
                    not hesitate to see a Dr. that Dr. Nase stands so firmly behind. Let
                    us remember how much he has done for this group and that he would not
                    recommend this Dr. if he did not believe in him. I hate when this
                    group uses this website to attack people - let us work on finding a
                    cure for Rosacea and leave the badmouthing and negative thoughts
                    behind. If you choose to attack me for this email - go ahead - you
                    are just wasting your time and mine.

                    JIll


                    --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Geoffrey Nase, PhD"
                    <drnase1000@h...> wrote:
                    > > Hi Westcoast,
                    > >
                    > I ruled Darm out early on due to the following info:DARM, Jerrold
                    > > R., MD10790, Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on
                    > > October 18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation
                    > under the following terms: maintain aphysician/patient relationship
                    > with a mental healthprovider; complete six hours of continuing
                    > medicaleducation courses related to establishing and main-taining
                    > appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk management
                    > course; must havechaperones when examining or treating
                    > femalepatients eighteen years or older DARM, Jerrold R., MD10790,
                    > Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on October
                    > 18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation
                    > > under the following terms: maintain aphysician/patient
                    > relationship with a mental healthprovider; complete six hours of
                    > continuing medicaleducation courses related to establishing and
                    main-
                    > taining appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk
                    > management course; must havechaperones when examining or treating
                    > femalepatients eighteen years or olderDARM, Jerrold R., MD10790,
                    > Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on October
                    > 18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation under the
                    > following terms: maintain aphysician/patient relationship with a
                    > mental healthprovider; complete six hours of continuing
                    > medicaleducation courses related to establishing and main-taining
                    > appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk management
                    > course; must havechaperones when examining or treating
                    > > femalepatients eighteen years or olderPDF] Chaperones and
                    > Communication >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Another list member bumped into this and shared it with me quite
                    > > a while ago. I've been emailed by handfuls of folks on the list
                    > as to why I've chosen to go to Scottsdale, when Portland is
                    closer.
                    > I've responded privately until now. I felt an ethical dilemma
                    > responding to your question on the list, but have decided to post
                    my
                    > response because it was starting to feel like I'm keeping a
                    secret.
                    > The I don't know the details of why Darm's female pt's need to be
                    > chaperoned, but I wasn't comfortable pursuing tx with him, knowing
                    > that he was sanctioned in this way. I'm sure some will consider
                    > this trivial unrelated to his medical ability, but for me it was a
                    > quick "rule out". I do wish Soldo was closer, but I'm content with
                    > my decision.
                    > > Best,
                    > > Ellen
                    > > (Seattle)
                    >
                    >
                    > Dear Group,
                    >
                    > I just read the above post by Ellen from Seattle. She surely has
                    > the right to check the background of any physician that may perform
                    > treatments on her. This is a wise move. However, private emails
                    > and public postings like this on a subject that she never followed
                    > up on does not mean very much and can be VERY misleading. She also
                    > posted the same 6 sentences about Dr. Darm three times in a row
                    > which made it look like a long detailed event. It was a simple
                    > innocent event. Ellen, did you not think to take the time to call
                    > Dr. Darm in person and discuss this with him before passing
                    > judgment?
                    >
                    > I knew about this event a year ago when I decided to collaborate
                    > with Dr. Darm. He explained the event in great detail and it put
                    me
                    > at complete ease. It was not brought up again until today. This
                    > was a six sentence light reprimand for an innocent action. Four
                    > years ago Dr. Darm exchanged a MUTUAL embrace with a female patient
                    > after a laser treatment. Everything was fine. She left after the
                    > treatment as would any satisfied patient. However, after
                    discussion
                    > with her sister and MANY MONTHS later after the incident, the
                    > patient reported the incident to the Oregon Board of Medical
                    > Examiners. As a result Dr. Darm received a reprimand. The
                    incident
                    > was not related to medical treatment; it was related to an innocent
                    > hug. Dr. Darm was literally in shock. He hired his own private
                    > investigator because he could not believe what was happening. It
                    > seems that the sister influenced the patient under question – it
                    was
                    > eventually all about getting money out of a doctor.
                    >
                    > Dr. Darm has remained in good standing and compliance with the
                    > Oregon Board of Medical Examiners since that time. It was an
                    > unfortunate incident, but does not influence his medical practice.
                    >
                    > Now, let me tell you about the real life truths in the Academic
                    > World. As a Post Doctorate Fellow, I was allowed to date former
                    > students, hug students out of joy for getting an A on a test, or
                    > getting into medical school, etc. I am a very affectionate, warm
                    > blooded Italian who loves to show his joy and I wear my heart on my
                    > sleeve. I give students high-fives in the hall way, kiss grants
                    > before we send them out (four or five male and female faces
                    > smothered together trying to kiss our grant for good luck) ;
                    > however, I learned very quickly when I became faculty that my
                    world
                    > had totally changed. We had a full year of classes on proper
                    > behavior of both sexes towards each other. As a faculty member, I
                    > could no longer date any student, I could not give high fives, I
                    > could not hug any student or anyone lower in rank then I was.
                    Worse
                    > than this…….. if a female came into my lab or office, I had to run
                    > to find a companion to be with me while they talked to me about
                    > their problems or go over tests, etc. I had to leave the front
                    door
                    > wide open and my office door wide open. And this goes for both
                    > sexes (e.g. Female Faculty encounters with male students).
                    >
                    > One day I had a female come in and she was crying because she
                    > received a "C" on her test and said she needed an "A" to help her
                    > solidify her chances to get into medical school. She was a great
                    > person, but I had to literally run out the door and I could not
                    find
                    > anyone to chaperone our conversation because there was a large
                    > seminar. It was ridiculous. I could not even go back into my own
                    > lab. I just wanted to give her an extra credit assignment because
                    > she took the test during personal tribulations. I basically
                    > deserted her because the classes on proper etiquette scared the
                    life
                    > out of me. So, I did what I was taught, but then was reprimanded
                    > for abandoning my student??????
                    >
                    > I have been active at four large medical Universities throughout my
                    > training. I know of three personal Faculty friends (one female)
                    who
                    > did not follow the rules to a tee. They were reprimanded for not
                    > having a chaperone. That's it. All three were then fired and left
                    > the University. They can NEVER find another job in any University
                    > in the US. They had to go to Pharmaceutical companies. I also
                    know
                    > of a student (and friend of mine) in medical school who failed her
                    > qualifying exams because of plagiarism. She then went to her
                    mentor
                    > and told him that one faculty member failed her because she would
                    > not accept the passes he made at her. This information got around
                    > the entire school and to the Dean by the end of the day. The
                    > Professor was GUILTY until proven innocent. He told the Dean that
                    > he failed her because she plagiarized much of her qualifying exam.
                    > The Professor brought up the books that she plagiarized from and
                    the
                    > Dean cleared him. The mentor let the female student go and kicked
                    > her out of medical school. But the damage had been done to the
                    > Professor. The Professor's wife was called at lunch and told that
                    > he was cheating on her with a student. So the Professor's wife
                    > packed up, took both small boys and went to a lawyer to get
                    > separation papers. The poor professor came home to an empty house,
                    > separation papers and a horrible headache. He finally spoke to her
                    > and tried to patch things up (which were great before then), but it
                    > was difficult. He then had to come in everyday to rumors about how
                    > he tried to seduce a student. The burden was too great. He
                    > resigned from the University, finally got divorced because the
                    trust
                    > was gone and works odd jobs – all because of one nasty false rumor.
                    >
                    > I support Dr. Darm 1,000%. I have worked with him for a year and
                    > you can tell within seconds that he is a caring, vibrant, loving,
                    > affectionate man (who by the way has been taking care of his wife
                    > right now who has cancer). Everyone wants to hug him for putting
                    > their rosacea into remission. I would want to hug all my
                    patients.
                    > You cant do this anymore.
                    >
                    > With the advances Dr. Darm and I have made this last year, he is
                    > clearly one of the three best laser specialists for the treatment
                    of
                    > rosacea in the US. Hands down. I stake my reputation on that.
                    >
                    > FOR ANYONE WHO HAS ANY DOUBTS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF DR. DARM, KNOW
                    > THAT I CAN ONLY HOPE TO ACHIEVE WHAT HE HAS AND PERFORM THE WAY HE
                    > HAS ---IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS INTEGRITY THEN YOU ARE
                    > QUESTIONING MY INTEGRITY. IT IS THAT CLEAR. IF MY EIGHT YEARS ON
                    > THE INTERNET HAVE TAUGHT YOU ANYTHING ABOUT MY INTEGRITY, THEN
                    > PLEASE HOLD DR. DARM'S INTEGRITY AS HIGH. I STAKE MY WORD, MY NAME
                    > AND MY REPUTATION ON DR. DARM.
                    >
                    > On a personal note, Ellen you should be absolutely ashamed of
                    > yourself. Gossip, six lines of unreadable text by a Medical Board
                    > that you made into an earthquake and the way you handled this
                    > secretly and then publicly is disgraceful. You look up the
                    doctor's
                    > background….....that's great. You see a small ding in it……. give
                    > the physician a chance to detail what happened with one simple
                    phone
                    > call or just shut your yap. If you did this to me in Academia, I
                    > would be fired tomorrow. Think a little bit before you act or post
                    > in a single key stroke. You owe Dr. Darm an apology, you owe me an
                    > apology and you owe the group an apology.
                    >
                    > Geoffrey
                    > ______________________________
                    >
                    > Dr. Geoffrey Nase
                    > Ph.D. Neurovascular Physiologist
                    > http://www.drnase.com
                    > ______________________________
                  • alatkins33
                    I would have given Dr. Darm the benefit of the doubt. I believe in innocent until proven guilty and I work in law enforcement. I have seen the worst of the
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                      I would have given Dr. Darm the benefit of the doubt. I believe in
                      "innocent until proven guilty" and I work in law enforcement. I have
                      seen the worst of the worst. You have to give people the chance to
                      explain themselves. I hugged Dr. Lindyberg after he gave me my IPLs.
                      He was a kind, caring man. I was the one who wanted to hug HIM. I
                      would never in a million years file a complaint on him for something
                      like that.

                      I still plan on going to see Dr. Darm. People just need to make their
                      own personal, educated decisions.

                      Amanda in Atlanta

                      but maybe ta-- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, LilWench@a... wrote:
                      > As a patient of Dr. Darm's I couldn't agree with Dr. Nase more. Dr.
                      Darm is a
                      > very caring nice man and it is extremely unfair for such a thing to
                      be posted
                      > about him on this board, especially since it has nothing to do with his
                      > medical abilities. He has never shown any sort of inappropriate
                      behavior when I was
                      > in his office. I would highly recommend him for treatment of
                      Rosacea, he has
                      > really helped me.
                      >
                      > Annie
                      >
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    • Dr. Geoffrey Nase, PhD
                      ... the ... When you are in a medical position, you are guilty until proven innocent. Ask any physician. I never had a problem with her posting public
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                        --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "andrew_rosacea"
                        <yahoo@a...> wrote:
                        > Geoffrey,
                        >
                        > A very thoughtful post. You clearly highlight some interesting
                        > points about how modern medicine and academia work with respect to
                        > this kind of issue. From my personal viewpoint, it looks like the
                        > pendulum has swung too far against the medical profession.
                        >
                        > However, I think you are a touch unfair on Ellen. She was sharing
                        > her personal reasons for chosing Dr. Soldo over Dr. Darm, based on
                        > publically available information. I don't think it was realistic
                        > for her to phone Dr. Darm and ask him about this, before posting
                        the
                        > information to the group.


                        When you are in a medical position, you are guilty until proven
                        innocent. Ask any physician. I never had a problem with her
                        posting public information. It was the way she ended the post -- it
                        opened up the worst case scenarios.




                        >
                        > I feel sorry for Dr. Darm if he has been treated unfairly by being
                        > reprimanded (which from what you've said, it sounds like), but I
                        > think Ellen is within her rights to share the information with us.
                        > Especially given that it is answers a question many were asking
                        > about why she chose Dr. Soldo, despite the long commute.
                        >
                        > Ellen: Thank you for sharing.



                        Good luck Andrew. Thanks for the continued support.





                        >
                        > Andrew.
                        >
                        > --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Geoffrey Nase, PhD"
                        > <drnase1000@h...> wrote:
                        > > FOR ANYONE WHO HAS ANY DOUBTS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF DR. DARM,
                        > KNOW
                        > > THAT I CAN ONLY HOPE TO ACHIEVE WHAT HE HAS AND PERFORM THE WAY
                        > HE
                        > > HAS ---IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS INTEGRITY THEN YOU
                        ARE
                        > > QUESTIONING MY INTEGRITY. IT IS THAT CLEAR. IF MY EIGHT YEARS
                        ON
                        > > THE INTERNET HAVE TAUGHT YOU ANYTHING ABOUT MY INTEGRITY, THEN
                        > > PLEASE HOLD DR. DARM'S INTEGRITY AS HIGH. I STAKE MY WORD, MY
                        > NAME
                        > > AND MY REPUTATION ON DR. DARM.
                      • annaelims
                        I am only new to this board, I used to read the messages at escribe but I finally signed up today reply to this post. Dr. Nase if you have a problem with the
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                          I am only new to this board, I used to read the messages at escribe
                          but I finally signed up today reply to this post.

                          Dr. Nase if you have a problem with the Oregon Board of Medical
                          Examiners decision then you should take it up with them. If the Oregon
                          Board were out of line then Dr Darm could appeal the decision or take
                          it to the civil courts but he has not.

                          I am sure they are a well qualified board and heard all the evidence
                          from both parties and took what they thought was the best decision.
                          Their decision that he his medical license not be revoked but he must
                          have a chaperon when around female patients and that the decision be
                          made PUBLIC etc.

                          But to think that you know better than the Oregon Board of Medical
                          Examiners without hearing all the evidence is absolutely outrageous.
                          No one should need to ask Dr Darm before passing judgment. Did you
                          mention to Ellen that she should also then also call and discuss in
                          person the person/persons that made the accusations to hear their side
                          of the story. Oregon Board of Medical Examiners made their decision
                          and there is no need to question it.

                          The courts jailed a woman for killing my sister. If someone looked her
                          name on the Internet and found that she had murdered someone, I do not
                          think they should ask her and then decide if she is innocent or guilty
                          they should accept the courts decision.

                          On a personal note, Ellen you should be absolutely ashamed of
                          > yourself.

                          Dr Nase you owe Ellen and the group an apology, you were totally out
                          of line with your email.

                          Anna Elims

                          --- In rosacea-support@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Geoffrey Nase, PhD"
                          <drnase1000@h...> wrote:
                          > > Hi Westcoast,
                          > >
                          > I ruled Darm out early on due to the following info:DARM, Jerrold
                          > > R., MD10790, Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on
                          > > October 18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation
                          > under the following terms: maintain aphysician/patient relationship
                          > with a mental healthprovider; complete six hours of continuing
                          > medicaleducation courses related to establishing and main-taining
                          > appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk management
                          > course; must havechaperones when examining or treating
                          > femalepatients eighteen years or older DARM, Jerrold R., MD10790,
                          > Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on October
                          > 18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation
                          > > under the following terms: maintain aphysician/patient
                          > relationship with a mental healthprovider; complete six hours of
                          > continuing medicaleducation courses related to establishing and
                          main-
                          > taining appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk
                          > management course; must havechaperones when examining or treating
                          > femalepatients eighteen years or olderDARM, Jerrold R., MD10790,
                          > Lake Oswego, ORA stipulated order was entered into on October
                          > 18,2001. Licensee was reprimanded and placed onprobation under the
                          > following terms: maintain aphysician/patient relationship with a
                          > mental healthprovider; complete six hours of continuing
                          > medicaleducation courses related to establishing and main-taining
                          > appropriate doctor/patient boundaries;complete a risk management
                          > course; must havechaperones when examining or treating
                          > > femalepatients eighteen years or olderPDF] Chaperones and
                          > Communication >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Another list member bumped into this and shared it with me quite
                          > > a while ago. I've been emailed by handfuls of folks on the list
                          > as to why I've chosen to go to Scottsdale, when Portland is closer.

                          > I've responded privately until now. I felt an ethical dilemma
                          > responding to your question on the list, but have decided to post
                          my
                          > response because it was starting to feel like I'm keeping a secret.

                          > The I don't know the details of why Darm's female pt's need to be
                          > chaperoned, but I wasn't comfortable pursuing tx with him, knowing
                          > that he was sanctioned in this way. I'm sure some will consider
                          > this trivial unrelated to his medical ability, but for me it was a
                          > quick "rule out". I do wish Soldo was closer, but I'm content with
                          > my decision.
                          > > Best,
                          > > Ellen
                          > > (Seattle)
                          >
                          >
                          > Dear Group,
                          >
                          > I just read the above post by Ellen from Seattle. She surely has
                          > the right to check the background of any physician that may perform
                          > treatments on her. This is a wise move. However, private emails
                          > and public postings like this on a subject that she never followed
                          > up on does not mean very much and can be VERY misleading. She also
                          > posted the same 6 sentences about Dr. Darm three times in a row
                          > which made it look like a long detailed event. It was a simple
                          > innocent event. Ellen, did you not think to take the time to call
                          > Dr. Darm in person and discuss this with him before passing
                          > judgment?
                          >
                          > I knew about this event a year ago when I decided to collaborate
                          > with Dr. Darm. He explained the event in great detail and it put
                          me
                          > at complete ease. It was not brought up again until today. This
                          > was a six sentence light reprimand for an innocent action. Four
                          > years ago Dr. Darm exchanged a MUTUAL embrace with a female patient
                          > after a laser treatment. Everything was fine. She left after the
                          > treatment as would any satisfied patient. However, after
                          discussion
                          > with her sister and MANY MONTHS later after the incident, the
                          > patient reported the incident to the Oregon Board of Medical
                          > Examiners. As a result Dr. Darm received a reprimand. The
                          incident
                          > was not related to medical treatment; it was related to an innocent
                          > hug. Dr. Darm was literally in shock. He hired his own private
                          > investigator because he could not believe what was happening. It
                          > seems that the sister influenced the patient under question –
                          it was
                          > eventually all about getting money out of a doctor.
                          >
                          > Dr. Darm has remained in good standing and compliance with the
                          > Oregon Board of Medical Examiners since that time. It was an
                          > unfortunate incident, but does not influence his medical practice.
                          >
                          > Now, let me tell you about the real life truths in the Academic
                          > World. As a Post Doctorate Fellow, I was allowed to date former
                          > students, hug students out of joy for getting an A on a test, or
                          > getting into medical school, etc. I am a very affectionate, warm
                          > blooded Italian who loves to show his joy and I wear my heart on my
                          > sleeve. I give students high-fives in the hall way, kiss grants
                          > before we send them out (four or five male and female faces
                          > smothered together trying to kiss our grant for good luck) ;
                          > however, I learned very quickly when I became faculty that my
                          world
                          > had totally changed. We had a full year of classes on proper
                          > behavior of both sexes towards each other. As a faculty member, I
                          > could no longer date any student, I could not give high fives, I
                          > could not hug any student or anyone lower in rank then I was.
                          Worse
                          > than this…….. if a female came into my lab or office, I had to
                          run
                          > to find a companion to be with me while they talked to me about
                          > their problems or go over tests, etc. I had to leave the front
                          door
                          > wide open and my office door wide open. And this goes for both
                          > sexes (e.g. Female Faculty encounters with male students).
                          >
                          > One day I had a female come in and she was crying because she
                          > received a "C" on her test and said she needed an "A" to help her
                          > solidify her chances to get into medical school. She was a great
                          > person, but I had to literally run out the door and I could not
                          find
                          > anyone to chaperone our conversation because there was a large
                          > seminar. It was ridiculous. I could not even go back into my own
                          > lab. I just wanted to give her an extra credit assignment because
                          > she took the test during personal tribulations. I basically
                          > deserted her because the classes on proper etiquette scared the
                          life
                          > out of me. So, I did what I was taught, but then was reprimanded
                          > for abandoning my student??????
                          >
                          > I have been active at four large medical Universities throughout my
                          > training. I know of three personal Faculty friends (one female)
                          who
                          > did not follow the rules to a tee. They were reprimanded for not
                          > having a chaperone. That's it. All three were then fired and left
                          > the University. They can NEVER find another job in any University
                          > in the US. They had to go to Pharmaceutical companies. I also
                          know
                          > of a student (and friend of mine) in medical school who failed her
                          > qualifying exams because of plagiarism. She then went to her
                          mentor
                          > and told him that one faculty member failed her because she would
                          > not accept the passes he made at her. This information got around
                          > the entire school and to the Dean by the end of the day. The
                          > Professor was GUILTY until proven innocent. He told the Dean that
                          > he failed her because she plagiarized much of her qualifying exam.
                          > The Professor brought up the books that she plagiarized from and
                          the
                          > Dean cleared him. The mentor let the female student go and kicked
                          > her out of medical school. But the damage had been done to the
                          > Professor. The Professor's wife was called at lunch and told that
                          > he was cheating on her with a student. So the Professor's wife
                          > packed up, took both small boys and went to a lawyer to get
                          > separation papers. The poor professor came home to an empty house,
                          > separation papers and a horrible headache. He finally spoke to her
                          > and tried to patch things up (which were great before then), but it
                          > was difficult. He then had to come in everyday to rumors about how
                          > he tried to seduce a student. The burden was too great. He
                          > resigned from the University, finally got divorced because the
                          trust
                          > was gone and works odd jobs – all because of one nasty false
                          rumor.
                          >
                          > I support Dr. Darm 1,000%. I have worked with him for a year and
                          > you can tell within seconds that he is a caring, vibrant, loving,
                          > affectionate man (who by the way has been taking care of his wife
                          > right now who has cancer). Everyone wants to hug him for putting
                          > their rosacea into remission. I would want to hug all my patients.

                          > You cant do this anymore.
                          >
                          > With the advances Dr. Darm and I have made this last year, he is
                          > clearly one of the three best laser specialists for the treatment
                          of
                          > rosacea in the US. Hands down. I stake my reputation on that.
                          >
                          > FOR ANYONE WHO HAS ANY DOUBTS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF DR. DARM, KNOW
                          > THAT I CAN ONLY HOPE TO ACHIEVE WHAT HE HAS AND PERFORM THE WAY HE
                          > HAS ---IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS INTEGRITY THEN YOU ARE
                          > QUESTIONING MY INTEGRITY. IT IS THAT CLEAR. IF MY EIGHT YEARS ON
                          > THE INTERNET HAVE TAUGHT YOU ANYTHING ABOUT MY INTEGRITY, THEN
                          > PLEASE HOLD DR. DARM'S INTEGRITY AS HIGH. I STAKE MY WORD, MY NAME
                          > AND MY REPUTATION ON DR. DARM.
                          >
                          > On a personal note, Ellen you should be absolutely ashamed of
                          > yourself. Gossip, six lines of unreadable text by a Medical Board
                          > that you made into an earthquake and the way you handled this
                          > secretly and then publicly is disgraceful. You look up the
                          doctor's
                          > background….....that's great. You see a small ding in
                          it……. give
                          > the physician a chance to detail what happened with one simple
                          phone
                          > call or just shut your yap. If you did this to me in Academia, I
                          > would be fired tomorrow. Think a little bit before you act or post
                          > in a single key stroke. You owe Dr. Darm an apology, you owe me an
                          > apology and you owe the group an apology.
                          >
                          > Geoffrey
                          > ______________________________
                          >
                          > Dr. Geoffrey Nase
                          > Ph.D. Neurovascular Physiologist
                          > http://www.drnase.com
                          > ______________________________
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