Re: [rosacea] acne lamp
- Hi Erika-
Eeek- I'll try to answer your q's best I can, but I say eek because I
don't know if they're really answers or raise more questions ;o
<1.) If one can only get a blue/red HS lamp, would it make sense to
operate it without the blue bulbs? Will it work with 2 bulbs missing? I
only mention this for those that may be irritated by the blue light. >
Okee, I know with the British version, at least I'm pretty sure, when 2
bulbs are gone, the rest won't light up. It's on one circuit.....I have
no idea if this is the case with the HappyLight.
As far as doing it with just 2 red bulbs- I'm not sure if I said it or
not in my other thingie,
but blue light/N-lite work off the same wavelength, so for safety and
efficacy for rosacea, I'd recommend all red.......
Having just 2 red bulbs though....I think is the same as if you had a
1/2 red 1/2 blue unit because the light output will be diluted, and you
probably won't have an even light field. If you have the 2 bulbs on the
left-the right won't be hit with full strength. And if you space them
every other slot, the middle might not get full strength. What I mean by
full strength is not only is the wavelength important, but the joules.
With only 2 bulbs, some areas will not receive 4 joules- but less,
<2.) I found a website that deals with every kind of weird bulb, & have
emailed them about the bulbs in these devices. There are all sorts of
small 15-20 watt fluorescent fixtures out there, and I cannot believe
that these bulbs aren't commercially available. So, I asked this company
about getting the red ones (yup, I'm thinking about building one in my
basement! lol!) Anyway - do these lamps appear to have somewhat standard
sockets, & are the bulbs a standard length (ie, have you seen a white
version of the bulb in the lighting department at a store?) >
With this one- I'm with ya Erika. I checked into building my own, or
even using LED flashlights, but you run into a couple of things:
Again you have a power issue....Not all LED's are created equal. Just
because an LED says it gets a certain wavelength, or operates off a
certain amount of power doesn't mean it delivers energy well. High
quality LED's have what's called a peak power. They stay close to the
energy and wavelength they're supposed to without fluctuating too much.
And photons travel in a uniform fashion.....Think of a good
universal remote that can turn on your tv and VCR from 25 feet as
opposed to a cheap one you have to stand really close to get to work or
press the button a billion times.
It's really tough when you're buying commercial LED's to seperate the
good from the bad because you don't have a means to test their peak.
Another thing is 15-20 watts isn't a lot of juice. My acne lamp operates
off of 75 watts, as I assume the other one would. Let me see if I can
expain why wattage is important........
First you have the wavelength-how far the energy should travel....Then
you have the joules, how much energy the source is outputting, but then
you have the power......Take the Yag laser for example. You have a
1064nm wavelength, could set it for 30 joules, but if it's got a faded
beam, like if the power was operating on 1/2 full-it's not going to pack
enough punch to get enough photons to the target.
The only efficacy studies I know of have been done with the British lamp
@ 75 watts, so I wish I could help out with buiding your own, but I
truthfully don't know how it would effect tx, or what adjustments you'd
need to make in terms of tx length or frequency at a lesser wattage.
Overall if it's going to cost you close to $200 to make you own I'd just
buy a premade.
Lastly you have spot piece size. 50 LED's is a good #, but how big is
the cluster- If it's even 3 inches across in a circle, you run into the
issue of it not covering your whole tx area.....Digressing to my other
post, one area needs at least 10 min. of exposure a day to absorb a good
amount of energy to create a potentially helpful biologcal
response.......If you have to hold it in 5 seperate areas or more,
you're already running into a 50 min tx time. Not accounting for the
lesser wattage. So, I'd think it might be a hassle. Not necessarily
useless, but again I couldn't say how it would effect overall tx.
I'm sorry I couldn't help out more, it's probably not what you wanted
to hear :( But I'd hate to see you spend all that time or $ w/o telling
what the potential pitfalls may be.
Hey if you figure it out- I'll hire you to head up my product
development! ;) I knew I should have paid better attention in quantum
physics class! LOL.
- Hello Erika
Can't see any reason why the Happyskin lamp will not work on only the 2 red
tubes but you will need to talk to the manufacturers first to find out for
sure. If you tamper with the lamp yourself it may invalidate any warrantee
you have etc. but I would have thought it must be fairly straight forward to
change the tubes as over time they can wear out or even blow. With the
Dermalux unit the tubes have a bayonet type fitting and no cover so it is
easy to change the tubes. If it was me I would try the Happyskin lamp first
to see if the blue gave me a problem and if it appeared they did I would
remove them and try red to see if this improved things. If it did I would
then try and get another 2 red tubes.
The tubes in the Dermalux unit are made by Sylvania but I am not sure of the
manufacturer of the tubes for the US version. The tubes are fairly special
and again I am not sure how easy it is to get them from another source with
the same results. The last time I renewed my red tubes it cost me £110
which is over 50% of the total cost of the lamp. The rest of the lamp is
just the same as a standard self tanning unit and should be readily
available from numerous places.
Don't spend $285 on goggles as I have a spare pair I can sell you for $200
Seriously hope this helps and good luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Erika in Michigan" <Erika_in_Michigan@...>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [rosacea] acne lamp
> Hi Kristen & Peter-
> I've been looking at the Happyskin lamp & comparing it to the Dermalux. I
> have a couple of questions for either of you (or anyone else here that may
> 1.) If one can only get a blue/red HS lamp, would it make sense to operate
> it without the blue bulbs? Will it work with 2 bulbs missing? I only
> mention this for those that may be irritated by the blue light.
> 2.) I found a website that deals with every kind of weird bulb, & have
> emailed them about the bulbs in these devices. There are all sorts of
> 15-20 watt fluorescent fixtures out there, and I cannot believe that these
> bulbs aren't commercially available. So, I asked this company about
> the red ones (yup, I'm thinking about building one in my basement! lol!)
> Anyway - do these lamps appear to have somewhat standard sockets, & are
> bulbs a standard length (ie, have you seen a white version of the bulb in
> the lighting department at a store?)
> Just so you know - w/ the aforementioned company, I gave them the links to
> both sites, & the info as I knew it from Kristens posts about the energy
> joules per minute, 600-700nm wavelength, red bulbs). I hope that since
> deal w/ medical devices also, that they can tease out what I'm looking
> The company is called The Specialty Bulb Company
> (http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/60677432/home.htm )
> Now watch - I'll be able to build my own for $19.95 & some duct tape, but
> getting the goggles will run me $285!
> - Erika in Michigan
This isn't the same lamp that I first used 5 years ago and converted to all
red light for treating rosacea. Having said this and looked at the website
I can't see why in principle the result should be any different. Difficult
to comment on why it made your hives worse unless you were too close to the
tubes or you have a sensitivity to fluorescent light / tubes.
If you are not satisfied and they offer a guarantee then ask for your money
back. As them if anybody else has reported back a sensitivity to the device
but make sure you tell them you were using it for acne not rosacea,
otherwise it might invalidate the guarantee.
----- Original Message -----
From: "theresaweir2000" <theresaweir@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 3:08 AM
Subject: [rosacea] acne lamp
> I purchased an acne lamp at the beginning of the year, but can't really
give a solid
> report of my progress. I have an area on my face where I always get
hives. Every time
> I used the lamp, the hives appeared. The more I used it, the worse they
> lamp seemed to be helping with other areas of my face, but I couldn't use
> enough to know for sure. By the way, I purchased it with both red and
blue lights. On
> their website, the company guarantee results, so I am going to try to
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- The exact same thing happened to me. I am extremely sensitive to heat and
light so I was never able to use the lamp long enough to see any positive
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> The exact same thing happened to me. I am extremely sensitive to heat andI'm kind of glad to hear it's not just me!
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The great news is that it looks as if they will let me return it for a full refund.
- Did you have your lamp for longer than the three month trial period offered
by most suppliers? That's the case with me, so I'm not sure if they would let
me return mine.
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