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Re: e-assist on Madsens

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  • Naomi
    Thank you, Morgan, for the advice! I may contact you in the near future about the Nine Continent motor. I saw your eZee setup for the Madsen on your
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      Thank you, Morgan, for the advice! I may contact you in the near future about the Nine Continent motor. I saw your eZee setup for the Madsen on your website--looks good!
      Thanks again,
      Naomi
      --- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "Morgan" <mcgurme@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Naomi,
      > There are definitely less expensive setups available. Generally, the tradeoff is
      > that the less expensive the assist, the heavier the weight of the system.
      >
      > The biggest difference is the batteries. Going with Sealed Lead Acid batteries
      > will save $300-400 compared to Lithium. But they weight 3 times as much, and so
      > will add about 30 pounds to the bike. On the other hand, it is already a heavy
      > bike, and you'll have an assist, so the extra weight may not be a problem.
      >
      > The SLA batteries don't last as long (in terms of charge/discharge cycles), but
      > if they are treated well, can last up to 2 years or so of regular use (longer if not
      > regularly used, or if always kept more than 50% charged).
      >
      > In terms of motors, there are brands like Nine Continent, Crystalyte,
      > Wilderness Energy, and Golden Motor that fit the lower-end of the price scale.
      > They weigh more and are not as compact as the eZee/BMC motors, but they
      > cost less.
      >
      > Typically, one of these motors with controller and 36 volts worth of
      > lead acid batteries may go for around $350-600, depending on options
      > and features. My shop is about to start offering the Nine Continent motors at this price point, because we've found them to be some of the better motors in terms of price/weight/torque (we used to focus on Crystalyte motors, but their price
      > proposition isn't quite as good anymore). I've heard mixed reviews of Wilderness
      > Energy gear (some good, but also some bad user experiences), and I've heard a number
      > of quite negative reviews of the Golden Motors related to reliability and customer service.
      >
      > My best suggestion is to give us and some of the other folks who offer these
      > things a call, shop around a bit to see who can find a solution that works at
      > your price point.
      >
      > One of the key things to mention in this is disc brake compatibility for the front
      > wheel on the Madsen. Some motors do not offer that. The new Crystalyte and
      > new Nine Continent motors should offer that option, however.
      >
      > Regards,
      > Morgan
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "Naomi" <naomiisreading@> wrote:
      > >
      > > I have a Madsen and my husband has a BD. He has no problems with hills and I do. Some of this may be due to our difference in physical capability but there's no getting around the fact that my bike is heavier and bulkier. I love it but it can be challenging, especially when loaded on hills. I'm also closer to my maximum weight capacity with bike + kids > me. I would love to get e-assist but don't have an extra $1200. Is there a less-expensive alternative that would work or should I just save my money for the E-Zee?
      > > Thanks,
      > > Naomi
      > > --- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, Morgan <mcgurme@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > We have a Madsen set up for hauling our three kids around, and my
      > > > regular ride is a Big Dummy. No doubt about it, the Big Dummy handles
      > > > better. That said, the Madsen handles well, is easy to ride for
      > > > beginner to expert, and does well loaded. It is kind of interesting
      > > > in that even when unloaded, it feels a bit more like a cargo bike
      > > > (takes more to balance than the unloaded Xtracycle or Big Dummy). An
      > > > unloaded Big Dummy feels mostly like a regular bike. However, the
      > > > Madsen takes loads with grace. Even a bucket full of kids is pretty
      > > > good, though if they all getto swaying in the same direction it can
      > > > throw things off a bit. I have to say, however, that for loaded
      > > > handling, the Yuba outshines them both. Too bad the Yuba doesn't have
      > > > a bucket.
      > > >
      > > > I rode the Madsen for a few weeks as a kid hauler without electric
      > > > assist, but it is hilly enough around here that hauling 3 kids over
      > > > those hills was just not happening for me on a regular basis. After I
      > > > added the eZee electric motor kit , we started using it much more
      > > > often. We recently went to the beach and took the Madsen with us. We
      > > > used it for all the in-town errands like going to swimming pool,
      > > > shopping, etc. It was awesome! And it turns heads too. A lot of
      > > > people who don't look like regular cyclists came up and ask about it,
      > > > and are amazed that a bike can haul four kids at once. I figure it is
      > > > good PR for the whole concept of utility bikes, if nothing else. And a
      > > > big kudos for the included center-stand that is stable enough that
      > > > kids can climb into the bucket without tipping the bike over.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > For everyday riding without a load of kids or whatever, I still prefer
      > > > the Big Dummy, because it handles so well. But the Madsen is very
      > > > useful in the kid hauling arena, and also for hauling loose loads that
      > > > don't do so well in the freeloaders.
      > > >
      > > > Morgan
      > > > Cycle9.com
      > > >
      > > > --- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, Philip Diaz <pxdiaz@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > the Madsen looks promising, though i haven't seen one in person yet.
      > > > >
      > > > > http://www.madsencycles.com/bikes/gallery/
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Mark Garvey lazybee45@ wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I don't know about the others, but as far as I know, the three
      > > > that are
      > > > > > WORKABLE are the Kona, the Yuba and the X. Of the three, the X
      > > > appears to
      > > > > > be the "best" for the "serious" bike nut...although the Kona and
      > > > Yuba are
      > > > > > GOOD. the Yuba has some real possibilities, though it is aimed at a
      > > > > > different part of the market.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Mark
      > > > > >
      > > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:09 PM, tim_h_49068 tim_h_49068@:
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