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  • Devian Gilbert
    its a basic culture thing. until something major happens with our economy, etc most people will consider not having a car, an inconvenience thats part of the
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 3, 2008
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      its a basic culture thing.  until something major happens with our economy, etc
      most people will consider not having a car, an inconvenience 

      thats part of the reason(s) motorists often get bent with bikes.

      i can not tell you how often some person has commented on how "I think i own the world.  riding your bike down the side of the road, parking in front of the store, and pulling right up front to the intersection with cars."

      I can not begin to tell you often I'd comment on the state of debt most people carry.  primarily as a by-product of living a Car-centric life.

      now that i dont have a job, for the last 6 months people keep asking me about my finance.  while, yes, i need to figure out a way to stop leaking cash, however, the last few years of working full time and saving money.  i think i can still manage until Fall of 09' without a job.

      when it comes to insurance, my filtering process was the bicycle parking ease.  my favorite of course was the local agent with free coffee, and they let me park inside.  so they got my biz.

      insurance, and cars... definitely two areas, i try to avoid.  like getting stuck in a big slummy city, at a minimum wage job.
      simply avoid it... if possible.

      godspeed

      peace...d

      "Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the human race." H.G. Wells


      On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:33 PM, kwikfile08 wrote:

      I think the commercial sucks - but this brought out an interesting question for my AA 
      agent. I am working to Devian's status of car-free and Insurance free! Right on Dude!

      gret topic - thank you

      Carl

      --- In rootsradicals@ yahoogroups. com, "calvin weeks" <weeks.calvin@ ...> wrote:
      >
      > Thats odd about State Farm as my agent gives a break on my insurance for
      > using my bicycle.She has been doing this for 6 years now. Will bring this to
      > her attention as I am sending the link to her.
      > ltr Calvin
      > 
      > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Mighk Wilson <mwilson@... >
      > wrote:
      > 
      > > Here's what our "good neighbors" at State Farm insurance think about
      > > commuting by bike:
      > >
      > > http://tinyurl. com/36txg9
      > >
      > > You might want to send them a nice note telling them how you feel.
      > >
      > > Mighk
      > > 
      > >
      > 
      > 
      > 
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      > menemba.com
      >


    • Devian Gilbert
      when Bicycles are mandated to carry insurance, then the Marketing will change. until then... bikes are personal property usually mounted to a roof rack. i cant
      Message 2 of 11 , Apr 4, 2008
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        when Bicycles are mandated to carry insurance, then the Marketing will change.
        until then... bikes are personal property usually mounted to a roof rack.
        i cant imagine insurance companies actually making money from bicycles.
        i can only imagine how they cringe to write the check for a new Colnago, Thule roof rack, and body repair, when a driver puts their bike into an overhang.

        its marketing. 

        insurance and cars... big wastes of money = your life.
        park the car, leave the keys, and title, ask for a refund.

        peace...d
        "Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the human race." H.G. Wells


        On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:30 AM, John Geiger wrote:

        I dont normally post on topical threads like this but thought that some of you might be interested in an email thread over on iBob related to this. Someone has put together a letter to send to State Farm. Seems to be a good summation of the issue and consequences. Again, Im just sharing, your free to decide whether this is an issue you want to respond to.



        To: Michael C. Davidson
        Vice Chairman & Chief Agency & Marketing Officer

        Re: Offensive State Farm TV ad

        I was dismayed to see State Farm's recent advertisement for car
        insurance, which makes fun of cyclists and suggests that cycling to
        work is a less acceptable mode of transportation than using a car.
        Your advertisement reinforces the dangerous attitude that cyclists are
        second class citizens, which only creates further tension between
        cyclists and drivers.

        Your ad is being widely panned in the cycling community on many online
        blogs and forums. Most of the 5,000,000 active cyclists in the U.S.
        also own cars, many own homes, and a large number are insured through
        your company. I suggest removing this ad, a public apology, a
        significant donation to the League of American Bicyclists, and
        creating new advertisements to promote cycle commuting and your
        existing programs of rewarding discounts to low-mileage drivers.



        On Apr 4, 2008, at 4:21 AM, Anne Littlebird wrote:

        I have State Farm insurance - and have had for over 20 years. When I 
        garaged my car in September to try bike commuting I took my car down to 
        only comprehensive in case something happened to the car. I had to 
        fight them because the underwriters said that as the sole member of my 
        household I HAD to have car insurance. Oh my God! State Farm is Big 
        Brother? I had no idea.

        In February I sold the car and went car free. No more car insurance. Yet 
        again the system is foiled.

        Ain't t great?

        Anne

        Mighk Wilson wrote:
        >
        > Here's what our "good neighbors" at State Farm insurance think about 
        > commuting by bike:
        >
        > http://tinyurl. com/36txg9 <http://tinyurl. com/36txg9>
        >
        > You might want to send them a nice note telling them how you feel. 
        >
        > Mighk
        >
        > 




      • Phil Good-Elliott
        here s the official response when I wrote to State Farm using their web response form. Talk about less than helpful! I sent off a terse note in response,
        Message 3 of 11 , Apr 4, 2008
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          here's the official response when I wrote to State Farm using their web response form. Talk
          about less than helpful! I sent off a terse note in response, noting the poor customer
          service response.

          -Phil

          ******************************************************************************
          SUMMARY OF RESOLUTION
          Thank you for your feedback regarding our commercial that features a cyclist riding his
          bike to work.
          -----Original Message-----
          COMMUNICATION THREAD
          EMAIL

          Forward- Activity ID#:1161407
          TO:home.auto-advertising.035d00@...
          FROM:info@...
          SUBJECT:Fwd: Comments/Suggestions/Unauthenticated [#597951]
          Content:

          You have been identified as a subject matter expert.  Please click the link below to respond
          to the State Farm customer's email using the space provided in the "Reply To Customer"
          section.



          ***NOTE***



          There has been a recent discovery that the registered trademark symbol ( ® ) has not been
          working properly in SME responses. It has been cutting off the response from the point it
          is used until the end of the message. Instead of using the ' ® ' symbol in your responses,
          please using the html string ® . This will display as the registered trademark symbol
          when the message is received by the inquiring party.



          Please enter your information in the "Resolved By" section.




          https://SF-MAILMGT.opr.statefarm.org/egain/web/custom/insurance/sme.jsp?
          activityId=1161342



           





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        • Devin Quince
          I got that same response, but the link did not work for me. off to the bit-bucket I guess. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Phil Good-Elliott
          Message 4 of 11 , Apr 5, 2008
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            I got that same response, but the link did not work for me. off to the bit-bucket I guess.

            On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Phil Good-Elliott <poppamando@...> wrote:

            here's the official response when I wrote to State Farm using their web response form. Talk
            about less than helpful! I sent off a terse note in response, noting the poor customer
            service response.

            -Phil

            ******************************************************************************
            SUMMARY OF RESOLUTION
            Thank you for your feedback regarding our commercial that features a cyclist riding his
            bike to work.
            -----Original Message-----
            COMMUNICATION THREAD
            EMAIL

            Forward- Activity ID#:1161407
            TO:home.auto-advertising.035d00@...
            FROM:info@...
            SUBJECT:Fwd: Comments/Suggestions/Unauthenticated [#597951]
            Content:

            You have been identified as a subject matter expert.  Please click the link below to respond
            to the State Farm customer's email using the space provided in the "Reply To Customer"
            section.

            ***NOTE***

            There has been a recent discovery that the registered trademark symbol ( ® ) has not been
            working properly in SME responses. It has been cutting off the response from the point it
            is used until the end of the message. Instead of using the ' ® ' symbol in your responses,
            please using the html string &reg . This will display as the registered trademark symbol
            when the message is received by the inquiring party.

            Please enter your information in the "Resolved By" section.

            https://SF-MAILMGT.opr.statefarm.org/egain/web/custom/insurance/sme.jsp?
            activityId=1161342

             

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            --
            Devin Quince
            http://quinceurbanhomestead.blogspot.com/

            Start demanding safe passage on our public roads!

            Before there were automobiles, and after there will be automobiles, there will be bicycles moving people around for transportation"
            Andy Thornley, program director for the San Francisco Bicycle Coalition

            "Being so close to death makes you realize that you are alive"
            Nels Johson 1988 Iditabike rider
          • Dane Buson
            ... Yup, that s something I think most cyclists underestimate. You can proselytize all you want, and tell people how great cycling is, but... The most
            Message 5 of 11 , Apr 14, 2008
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              On Apr 3, Devian Gilbert tripped the electrons lexically so:

              > its a basic culture thing. until something major happens with our
              > economy, etc most people will consider not having a car, an
              > inconvenience

              Yup, that's something I think most cyclists underestimate. You can
              proselytize all you want, and tell people how great cycling is, but...
              The most effective way to get more cyclists is to make driving suck
              more.

              When you make it more expensive, make it harder to park, make it take
              more time, make it less enjoyable, that's when people start to consider
              alternatives. The carrot is nice, but driving is so much the assumed
              standard in the US that the stick tends to work better.

              > thats part of the reason(s) motorists often get bent with bikes.

              I find most of these people all already upset (internally) and just feel
              cyclists are 'other', so they're safe to lash out at. There seems to be
              a large body of experience showing that people who attack other people
              with their vehicles (to take the extreme case) rarely have much
              justification. It's simply a case of xenophobia in most cases.
              Attacking the *other* because it's *other*. The motivations given later
              for the attack usually smack of rationalization after the fact.

              > i can not tell you how often some person has commented on how "I think
              > i own the world. riding your bike down the side of the road, parking
              > in front of the store, and pulling right up front to the intersection
              > with cars."

              Well yeah! I can't help it I'm using the superior (and appropriate)
              transportation for an urban shopping outting.

              > I can not begin to tell you often I'd comment on the state of debt
              > most people carry. primarily as a by-product of living a Car-centric
              > life.

              True, instead of being a two car family, we have one car and many
              bicycles. The car is paid for and gets reasonably low mileage since
              it's not used as a commuter. This means we have a lot more money left
              over than your typical single income family.

              --
              Dane Buson - Buson@...
              "The young always have the same problem how to rebel and
              conform at the same time. They have now solved this by
              defying their parents and copying one another." -Quentin Crisp
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