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  • Joseph Bohan
    My audio hero is Paul Klipsch and I agree with High Efficiency as the best way for high resolution audio . I would be willing to contribute as much of that
    Message 1 of 19 , Apr 11, 2012
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      My audio " hero " is Paul Klipsch and I agree with High Efficiency as the best way for high resolution audio . I would be willing to contribute as much of that gold plated OCC wire as needed to wire the cabinets and as speaker cable. I know they did not win at our Cable Shootout, but the gauge was too small for the efficiency of the speakers used. You have no idea how they can disappear !

      From: vintagehifisteve <szaiontz@...>
      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:52 PM
      Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: The RCA'S Speaker Project

       
      For simplicity's sake, my vote goes for the use of a high efficiency full range driver. No crossovers, no filters, just pure untouched signal from amplifier to driver. This route will be very amplifier friendly. 1 good watt is really all you would need.

      That being said, I personally believe Audio Nirvana should be looked at. Even if the budget doesn't allow for the use of their higher end Alnico and/or Neodymium drivers, I still believe their ferrite magnet based drivers have one of the highest price to performance ratios of full range drivers.

      I've also talked to the manufacturer and have been offered an exclusive discount for this RCAS project, which is a win win situation for both of us. Perhaps his flagship 15" Alnico driver is within budget after all?

      In any case, you guys' opinions and questions are welcome so please don't be shy. This is a group project all the way down to binding posts, speaker wire, and cabinet color. All ideas are welcome!

      -Steven Z

      --- In rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com, "wardsweb" <wardsweb@...> wrote:
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      > I know John and Steven have been talking about this, so I thought I would see how much interest there is in the group for a DIY speaker build? The first pair will be funded by John and Steven has volunteered to help with cutting. Once complete we would have a meeting to listen and critique the finished product. You may love it enough to want to build a pair yourself.
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      > We would like your input. What would you like to see, hear, and learn how to build?
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      > Here are some links to get the brain flowing.
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      > Full range, single driver, no crossover, very cabinet dependent.
      > http://www.planet10-hifi.com/
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      > A DIY playground with kit builds, buy a cabinet? build a cabinet?
      > http://www.madisound.com/kits/
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      > 2-ways and horns
      > http://www.pispeakers.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/3
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      > Let's keep it fairly simple. Maybe later we can take it up a notch and build some Hedlund horns?
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    • Joseph Bohan
      Here s a link to a lengthy discussion on open baffle design for anyone interested in eliminating cabinet sound : 
      Message 2 of 19 , Apr 11, 2012
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        Here's a link to a lengthy discussion on open baffle design for anyone interested in eliminating cabinet sound :  http://www.enjoythemusic.com/diy/0709/open_baffle.htm           Just my 2 cents' worth.  Joe Bohan

        From: wardsweb <wardsweb@...>
        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:42 PM
        Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] The RCA'S Speaker Project

         
        I know John and Steven have been talking about this, so I thought I would see how much interest there is in the group for a DIY speaker build? The first pair will be funded by John and Steven has volunteered to help with cutting. Once complete we would have a meeting to listen and critique the finished product. You may love it enough to want to build a pair yourself.

        We would like your input. What would you like to see, hear, and learn how to build?

        Here are some links to get the brain flowing.

        Full range, single driver, no crossover, very cabinet dependent.
        http://www.planet10-hifi.com/

        A DIY playground with kit builds, buy a cabinet? build a cabinet?
        http://www.madisound.com/kits/

        2-ways and horns
        http://www.pispeakers.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/3

        Let's keep it fairly simple. Maybe later we can take it up a notch and build some Hedlund horns?



      • david weil
        I think the group build is a great idea. I m most interested in horns right now and I m thinking about buying or building a new midhorn for my Klipschorns
        Message 3 of 19 , Apr 11, 2012
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          I think the group build is a great idea. I'm most interested in horns right now and I'm thinking about buying or building a new midhorn for my Klipschorns right now so that would be an interesting undertaking, especially considering we have a darn good horn building in Luther. I agree that single full range drivers would be the easiest route and I'm a fan of Audio Nirvana too. A friend has been experimenting with single driver builds and he prefers them in an Open Baffle. We could consider that too-it would make the project even easier. His latest build was Tang Band full range drivers and he's ordered top of the line Hawthorne full range drivers for his next build. I'll ask him if he's done with the Tang Bands in case they could be an option for our build. They're a  pretty nice set.

          Dave W


          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
          From: bohan.joseph@...
          Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:48:07 -0700
          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] The RCA'S Speaker Project

           

          Here's a link to a lengthy discussion on open baffle design for anyone interested in eliminating cabinet sound :  http://www.enjoythemusic.com/diy/0709/open_baffle.htm           Just my 2 cents' worth.  Joe Bohan

          From: wardsweb <wardsweb@...>
          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:42 PM
          Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] The RCA'S Speaker Project

           
          I know John and Steven have been talking about this, so I thought I would see how much interest there is in the group for a DIY speaker build? The first pair will be funded by John and Steven has volunteered to help with cutting. Once complete we would have a meeting to listen and critique the finished product. You may love it enough to want to build a pair yourself.

          We would like your input. What would you like to see, hear, and learn how to build?

          Here are some links to get the brain flowing.

          Full range, single driver, no crossover, very cabinet dependent.
          http://www.planet10-hifi.com/

          A DIY playground with kit builds, buy a cabinet? build a cabinet?
          http://www.madisound.com/kits/

          2-ways and horns
          http://www.pispeakers.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/3

          Let's keep it fairly simple. Maybe later we can take it up a notch and build some Hedlund horns?




        • vintagehifisteve
          Great input guys, keep it coming! -Steven
          Message 4 of 19 , Apr 11, 2012
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            Great input guys, keep it coming!



            -Steven


            --- In rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
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            > Dave W
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            > Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] The RCA'S Speaker Project
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            > We would like your input. What would you like to see, hear, and learn how to build?
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            > Here are some links to get the brain flowing.
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            > Full range, single driver, no crossover, very cabinet dependent.
            > http://www.planet10-hifi.com/
            >
            > A DIY playground with kit builds, buy a cabinet? build a cabinet?
            > http://www.madisound.com/kits/
            >
            > 2-ways and horns
            > http://www.pispeakers.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/3
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            > Let's keep it fairly simple. Maybe later we can take it up a notch and build some Hedlund
            > horns?
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          • Wardsweb
            Absolutley! The more that get involved the better. This is an RCA s project.   I ll give everyone a few days to look at the links and think about this
            Message 5 of 19 , Apr 11, 2012
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              Absolutley! The more that get involved the better. This is an RCA's project.
               
              I'll give everyone a few days to look at the links and think about this project. Then, I'll start asking some question to narrow the focus and dial in the build given your feedback.
               
              Luther

              From: vintagehifisteve <szaiontz@...>
              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:43 AM
              Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: The RCA'S Speaker Project

               
              Great input guys, keep it coming!

              -Steven

            • vintagehifisteve
              Hey guys, just wanted to throw out another idea. I ve currently got a pair of 15 Hawthorne Silver Iris drivers on open baffle that are not being used. We
              Message 6 of 19 , Apr 11, 2012
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                Hey guys, just wanted to throw out another idea. I've currently got a pair of 15" Hawthorne Silver Iris drivers on open baffle that are not being used. We could possibly use these drivers and rebuild the baffle to accommodate a pair of Hawthorne's Augie 15" open baffle subwoofers as well. Here is a link that will show you the different variations of Hawthorne speakers that have been built by people all around the U.S.A and other parts of the world. Enjoy!

                http://www.hawthorneaudio.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3297

                -Steven



                --- In rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com, Wardsweb <wardsweb@...> wrote:
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                > Absolutley! The more that get involved the better. This is an RCA's project.
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                > I'll give everyone a few days to look at the links and think about this project. Then, I'll start asking some question to narrow the focus and dial in the build given your feedback.
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                > Luther
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                > From: vintagehifisteve <szaiontz@...>
                > To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:43 AM
                > Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: The RCA'S Speaker Project
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              • Steve Surbaugh
                Very cool. I ve not been active in the club but have high quality woodworking tools if needed. Have a well set up table saw, router table/bits, planer and
                Message 7 of 19 , Apr 11, 2012
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                  Very cool.
                  I've not been active in the club but have high quality woodworking tools if needed.

                  Have a well set up table saw, router table/bits, planer and various other stuff.
                  Steve

                  From: wardsweb <wardsweb@...>
                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:42 PM
                  Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] The RCA'S Speaker Project

                   
                  I know John and Steven have been talking about this, so I thought I would see how much interest there is in the group for a DIY speaker build? The first pair will be funded by John and Steven has volunteered to help with cutting. Once complete we would have a meeting to listen and critique the finished product. You may love it enough to want to build a pair yourself.

                  We would like your input. What would you like to see, hear, and learn how to build?

                  Here are some links to get the brain flowing.

                  Full range, single driver, no crossover, very cabinet dependent.
                  http://www.planet10-hifi.com/

                  A DIY playground with kit builds, buy a cabinet? build a cabinet?
                  http://www.madisound.com/kits/

                  2-ways and horns
                  http://www.pispeakers.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/3

                  Let's keep it fairly simple. Maybe later we can take it up a notch and build some Hedlund horns?



                • Wardsweb
                  Yes, very cool Steve. You have some nice tools. They make all the difference in a quality project. I too have a table saw,  router table/bits, table sander
                  Message 8 of 19 , Apr 11, 2012
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                    Yes, very cool Steve. You have some nice tools. They make all the difference in a quality project. I too have a table saw,  router table/bits, table sander and drill press but no planer. I was lucky to meet Steven, who works in a cabinet shop, when I need some 1" bubinga planed on one side.

                    So, are you of the school that you can never have to many clamps? LOL

                    What I really want is a CNC machine but that cuts into the audio fund. Besides Steven is our resident CAD/CNC guy.

                    Hopefully we can get together and build something.

                    Luther



                    From: Steve Surbaugh <stevesurbaugh@...>
                    To: "rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com" <rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:07 PM
                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] The RCA'S Speaker Project

                     

                    Very cool.
                    I've not been active in the club but have high quality woodworking tools if needed.

                    Have a well set up table saw, router table/bits, planer and various other stuff.
                    Steve


                  • Steve Surbaugh
                    Luther, Yes, never too many clamps! Sounds like you and Steven have that stuff covered. Always great to befriend a cabinet shop guy.....Second only to the
                    Message 9 of 19 , Apr 11, 2012
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                      Luther,

                      Yes, never too many clamps!

                      Sounds like you and Steven have that stuff covered.

                      Always great to befriend a cabinet shop guy.....Second only to the buddy with a pick up truck.
                      Steve


                      From: Wardsweb <wardsweb@...>
                      To: "rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com" <rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:38 PM
                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] The RCA'S Speaker Project

                       
                      Yes, very cool Steve. You have some nice tools. They make all the difference in a quality project. I too have a table saw,  router table/bits, table sander and drill press but no planer. I was lucky to meet Steven, who works in a cabinet shop, when I need some 1" bubinga planed on one side.

                      So, are you of the school that you can never have to many clamps? LOL

                      What I really want is a CNC machine but that cuts into the audio fund. Besides Steven is our resident CAD/CNC guy.

                      Hopefully we can get together and build something.

                      Luther



                      From: Steve Surbaugh <stevesurbaugh@...>
                      To: "rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com" <rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:07 PM
                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] The RCA'S Speaker Project

                       

                      Very cool.
                      I've not been active in the club but have high quality woodworking tools if needed.

                      Have a well set up table saw, router table/bits, planer and various other stuff.
                      Steve




                    • Joseph Bohan
                      I had an original idea today , but don t know if anyone here is capable of building it. Re : 15 Hawthorne speakers. My Klipsch RF-5 s use a Tractrix horn to
                      Message 10 of 19 , Apr 11, 2012
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                        I had an original idea today , but don't know if anyone here is capable of building it. Re : 15' Hawthorne speakers. My Klipsch RF-5's use a Tractrix horn to load the 1" dome tweeter. Instead of an open baffle for the 15" driver I see a siamese pair of Tractrix horns back-to back loading both the front and back wave of that large driver providing MUCH greater distance between the front and back ,thereby reducing the low freq. cancellation and ? probably lowering the rolloff frequency giving louder bass. The advantage I see in Tractrix is that it's shorter than the horn shape of the legacy speakers like La Scala.

                        From: vintagehifisteve <szaiontz@...>
                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:43 AM
                        Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: The RCA'S Speaker Project

                         
                        Great input guys, keep it coming!

                        -Steven

                        --- In rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
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                        > I think the group build is a great idea. I'm most interested in horns right now and I'm thinking about buying or building a new midhorn for my Klipschorns right now so that would be an interesting undertaking, especially considering we have a darn good horn building in Luther. I agree that single full range drivers would be the easiest route and I'm a fan of Audio Nirvana too. A friend has been experimenting with single driver builds and he prefers them in an Open Baffle. We could consider that too-it would make the project even easier. His latest build was Tang Band full range drivers and he's ordered top of the line Hawthorne full range drivers for his next build. I'll ask him if he's done with the Tang Bands in case they could be an option for our build. They're a pretty nice set.
                        >
                        > Dave W
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                        > To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                        > From: bohan.joseph@...
                        > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:48:07 -0700
                        > Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] The RCA'S Speaker Project
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                        > From: wardsweb <wardsweb@...>
                        > To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:42 PM
                        > Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] The RCA'S Speaker Project
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                        > I know John and Steven have been talking about this, so I thought I would see how much interest there is in the group for a DIY speaker build? The first pair will be funded by John and Steven has volunteered to help with cutting. Once complete we would have a meeting to listen and critique the finished product. You may love it enough to want to build a pair yourself.
                        >
                        > We would like your input. What would you like to see, hear, and learn how to build?
                        >
                        > Here are some links to get the brain flowing.
                        >
                        > Full range, single driver, no crossover, very cabinet dependent.
                        > http://www.planet10-hifi.com/
                        >
                        > A DIY playground with kit builds, buy a cabinet? build a cabinet?
                        > http://www.madisound.com/kits/
                        >
                        > 2-ways and horns
                        > http://www.pispeakers.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/3
                        >
                        > Let's keep it fairly simple. Maybe later we can take it up a notch and build some Hedlund
                        > horns?
                        >



                      • bohan.joseph
                        I just came across the most comprehensive site I ve found regarding high efficiency loudspeaker design for those interested ( and willing to do a LOT of
                        Message 11 of 19 , Apr 22, 2012
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                          I just came across the most comprehensive site I've found regarding high efficiency loudspeaker design for those interested ( and willing to do a LOT of reading ) here it is : http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/HES.htm With many photos.

                          --- In rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com, "wardsweb" <wardsweb@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > I know John and Steven have been talking about this, so I thought I would see how much interest there is in the group for a DIY speaker build? The first pair will be funded by John and Steven has volunteered to help with cutting. Once complete we would have a meeting to listen and critique the finished product. You may love it enough to want to build a pair yourself.
                          >
                          > We would like your input. What would you like to see, hear, and learn how to build?
                          >
                          > Here are some links to get the brain flowing.
                          >
                          > Full range, single driver, no crossover, very cabinet dependent.
                          > http://www.planet10-hifi.com/
                          >
                          > A DIY playground with kit builds, buy a cabinet? build a cabinet?
                          > http://www.madisound.com/kits/
                          >
                          > 2-ways and horns
                          > http://www.pispeakers.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/3
                          >
                          > Let's keep it fairly simple. Maybe later we can take it up a notch and build some Hedlund horns?
                          >
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