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  • Don Disbennett
    Bob: Great report on CES! We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show. I also was very
    Message 1 of 27 , Jan 12, 2012
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      Bob:
       
      Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
      Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
       
      Don
       
      Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
       
       

      Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
       
      CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
       
      1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

      2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
       
      3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
       
      4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
       
        5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
       
        6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
       
      7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
       
      8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
       
      Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
      Bob
       
       

      Sent from my iPad

      On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

       
      Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
      In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
       
      From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
      Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
       
       
      The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
      Bob



    • Matt Solorio
      Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there
      Message 2 of 27 , Jan 13, 2012
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        Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
         
        Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt

        From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

         
        Bob:
         
        Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
        Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
         
        Don
         
        Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
         
         
        Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
         
        CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
         
        1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

        2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
         
        3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
         
        4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
         
          5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
         
          6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
         
        7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
         
        8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
         
        Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
        Bob
         
         

        Sent from my iPad

        On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

         
        Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
        In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
         
        From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
        Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
         
         
        The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
        Bob





      • david weil
        Bob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know. I still haven t heard a digital file sound
        Message 3 of 27 , Jan 13, 2012
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          Bob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

          I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

          Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
          So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

          As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
          I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

          David



          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
          From: thudeets@...
          Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

           

          Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
           
          Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt

          From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

           
          Bob:
           
          Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
          Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
           
          Don
           
          Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
           
           
          Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
           
          CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
           
          1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

          2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
           
          3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
           
          4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
           
            5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
           
            6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
           
          7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
           
          8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
           
          Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
          Bob
           
           

          Sent from my iPad

          On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

           
          Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
          In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
           
          From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
          Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
           
           
          The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
          Bob






        • Robert Guerin
          I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty I have hear great
          Message 4 of 27 , Jan 13, 2012
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            I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty

            I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.


            Sent from my iPad

            Bob

            On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

             

            B

            ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

            I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

            Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
            So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

            As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
            I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

            David



            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
            From: thudeets@...
            Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

             

            Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
             
            Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt

            From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

             
            Bob:
             
            Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
            Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
             
            Don
             
            Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
             
             
            Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
             
            CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
             
            1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

            2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
             
            3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
             
            4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
             
              5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
             
              6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
             
            7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
             
            8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
             
            Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
            Bob
             
             

            Sent from my iPad

            On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

             
            Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
            In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
             
            From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
            Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
             
             
            The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
            Bob






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          • Don Disbennett
            Hi, Bob: I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about
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              Hi, Bob:

              I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
               
              Don
               
              Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
               
               

              I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
               
              I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
               

              Sent from my iPad
               
              Bob

              On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

               
              B

              ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

              I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

              Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
              So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

              As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
              I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

              David



              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
              From: thudeets@...
              Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

               
               
              Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
               
              Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
               
              From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
               
               
              Bob:
               
              Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
              Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
               
              Don
               
              Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
               
               
              Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
               
              CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
               
              1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

              2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
               
              3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
               
              4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
               
                5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
               
                6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
               
              7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
               
              8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
               
              Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
              Bob
               
               

              Sent from my iPad

              On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

               
              Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
              In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
               
              From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
              Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
               
               
              The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
              Bob





               
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              Yes Bob, There is definitely some listening to be done over at your place once you get back. Have a safe trip home and send a shout when you re back. Dave To:
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                Yes Bob, There is definitely some listening to be done over at your place once you get back. Have a safe trip home and send a shout when you're back.
                Dave
                 


                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                From: godzilla56@...
                Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:57:02 -0800
                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                 

                I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty

                I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.


                Sent from my iPad

                Bob

                On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                 

                B

                ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                David



                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                From: thudeets@...
                Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                 

                Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                 
                Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt

                From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                 
                Bob:
                 
                Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                 
                Don
                 
                Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                 
                 
                Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                 
                CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                 
                1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                 
                3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                 
                4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                 
                  5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                 
                  6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                 
                7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                 
                8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                 
                Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                Bob
                 
                 

                Sent from my iPad

                On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                 
                Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                 
                From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                 
                 
                The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                Bob







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              • david weil
                Don, That s the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they re Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and
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                  Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                  For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                  Best,
                  David



                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                  From: ddisbennett@...
                  Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600
                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                   

                  Hi, Bob:

                  I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                   
                  Don
                   
                  Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                   
                   

                  I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                   
                  I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                   

                  Sent from my iPad
                   
                  Bob

                  On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                   
                  B

                  ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                  I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                  Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                  So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                  As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                  I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                  David



                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                  From: thudeets@...
                  Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                   
                   
                  Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                   
                  Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                   
                  From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                   
                   
                  Bob:
                   
                  Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                  Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                   
                  Don
                   
                  Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                   
                   
                  Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                   
                  CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                   
                  1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                  2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                   
                  3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                   
                  4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                   
                    5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                   
                    6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                   
                  7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                   
                  8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                   
                  Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                  Bob
                   
                   

                  Sent from my iPad

                  On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                   
                  Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                  In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                   
                  From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                  Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                   
                   
                  The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                  Bob





                   
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                  I ve heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal. http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx
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                    I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal.  
                    http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 

                    Cheers,
                    Steven


                    On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                     

                    Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                    For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                    Best,
                    David



                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                    From: ddisbennett@...
                    Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                     

                    Hi, Bob:

                    I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                     
                    Don
                     
                    Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                     
                     

                    I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                     
                    I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                     

                    Sent from my iPad
                     
                    Bob

                    On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                     
                    B

                    ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                    I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                    Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                    So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                    As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                    I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                    David



                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                    From: thudeets@...
                    Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                     
                     
                    Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                     
                    Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                     
                    From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                     
                     
                    Bob:
                     
                    Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                    Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                     
                    Don
                     
                    Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                     
                     
                    Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                     
                    CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                     
                    1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                    2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                     
                    3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                     
                    4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                     
                      5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                     
                      6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                     
                    7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                     
                    8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                     
                    Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                    Bob
                     
                     

                    Sent from my iPad

                    On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                     
                    Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                    In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                     
                    From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                    Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                     
                     
                    The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                    Bob





                     
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                  • david weil
                    Steven, Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it s a passive pre without gain.
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                      Steven,
                      Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                      http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                      Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?


                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                      From: szaiontz@...
                      Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                       
                      I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal.  
                      http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 

                      Cheers,
                      Steven


                      On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                       

                      Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                      For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                      Best,
                      David



                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                      From: ddisbennett@...
                      Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                       

                      Hi, Bob:

                      I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                       
                      Don
                       
                      Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                       
                       

                      I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                       
                      I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                       

                      Sent from my iPad
                       
                      Bob

                      On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                       
                      B

                      ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                      I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                      Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                      So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                      As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                      I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                      David



                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                      From: thudeets@...
                      Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                       
                       
                      Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                       
                      Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                       
                      From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                       
                       
                      Bob:
                       
                      Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                      Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                       
                      Don
                       
                      Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                       
                       
                      Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                       
                      CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                       
                      1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                      2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                       
                      3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                       
                      4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                       
                        5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                       
                        6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                       
                      7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                       
                      8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                       
                      Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                      Bob
                       
                       

                      Sent from my iPad

                      On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                       
                      Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                      In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                       
                      From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                      Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                       
                       
                      The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                      Bob





                       
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                    • Steven Zaiontz
                      I d say an all solid state system would be a great candidate for the Dodd. Especially something like mine with a solid state preamp/dac and class D
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                        I'd say an all solid state system would be a great candidate for the Dodd.  Especially something like mine with a solid state preamp/dac and class D amplification.  Virtue Audio sells their "Sensation" amplifier with optional Dodd buffer installed.  As for your search for an integrated preamp/dac, the only thing I've seen is something like my Audio-GD NFB12 which has USB, coax, and optical inputs and one set of RCA outputs.  It doesn't have analog inputs which would classify it as a true analog preamp.  It's basically a DAC with active line stage output (18v max).  If you've got balanced connections you  may want to take a look at Audio-GD's higher end offerings as they seem to have what you need.  Their site is somewhat basic but you can see the internal pictures of each piece.  Their layout is nice and clean and they use some very respectable components.  Check'em out.  Good luck with your search!

                        On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:59 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                         

                        Steven,
                        Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                        http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                        Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?


                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                        From: szaiontz@...
                        Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600

                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                         
                        I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal.  
                        http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 

                        Cheers,
                        Steven


                        On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                         

                        Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                        For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                        Best,
                        David



                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                        From: ddisbennett@...
                        Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                         

                        Hi, Bob:

                        I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                         
                        Don
                         
                        Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                         
                         

                        I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                         
                        I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                         

                        Sent from my iPad
                         
                        Bob

                        On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                         
                        B

                        ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                        I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                        Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                        So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                        As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                        I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                        David



                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                        From: thudeets@...
                        Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                         
                         
                        Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                         
                        Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                         
                        From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                         
                         
                        Bob:
                         
                        Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                        Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                         
                        Don
                         
                        Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                         
                         
                        Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                         
                        CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                         
                        1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                        2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                         
                        3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                         
                        4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                         
                          5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                         
                          6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                         
                        7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                         
                        8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                         
                        Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                        Bob
                         
                         

                        Sent from my iPad

                        On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                         
                        Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                        In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                         
                        From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                        Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                         
                         
                        The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                        Bob





                         
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                      • Joseph Bohan
                        Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg,
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                          Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg, 50Kohm or better still 100K like my tube amps. Also it should have good voltage sensitivity, eg. 1 volt input for full power output. The sources ( dvd player, phono preamp,tuner,ipod) all should output apx Twice the voltage needed by the power amp and should ideally have low output impedance,preferrably 1000 ohms or less. Lower is better and higher voltage is better. Almost forgot to add that you will want to keep all your interconnects as short as possible. The voltage from your source component must drive thru the cables and the insertion loss of the passive preamp and be able to adequately drive the power amp.A TVC is less critical for matching than a resistor passive,but more expensive. What happens if the matching is less ideal is usually a rolling off of high frequencies. To get the same transparency as a good passive I believe one would need to spend a great deal more money. Here's a link to the company whose magnificent tvc I bought :     http://www.promitheusaudio.com/frontpage.html       His cosmetics are good,but not top tier. Like great homemade. His most affordable passives are probably the best you could do in that price range. If you can swing a bit more cash,and especially if you want to drive a solid state amp with lower input impedance, his apollo preamp has one triode tube gain stage with transformer output. The C-core option would be best,but adds quite a bit to the price. My preamp is no longer listed, but he would make one if asked. It was his Reference C-core passive. I hope this helps and wasn't overkill.
                           Anyone is welcome to come hear my system. I work weekdays and live in a small apartment and could accomodate only about 2 people at a time.
                          From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:59 AM
                          Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                           
                          Steven,
                          Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                          http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                          Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?

                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                          From: szaiontz@...
                          Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                           
                          I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal.  
                          http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 

                          Cheers,
                          Steven


                          On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                           

                          Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                          For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                          Best,
                          David


                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                          From: ddisbennett@...
                          Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                           

                          Hi, Bob:

                          I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                           
                          Don
                           
                          Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                           
                           

                          I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                           
                          I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                           

                          Sent from my iPad
                           
                          Bob

                          On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                           
                          B

                          ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                          I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                          Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                          So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                          As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                          I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                          David


                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                          From: thudeets@...
                          Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                           
                           
                          Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                           
                          Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                           
                          From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                           
                           
                          Bob:
                           
                          Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                          Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                           
                          Don
                           
                          Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                           
                           
                          Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                           
                          CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                           
                          1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                          2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                           
                          3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                           
                          4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                           
                            5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                           
                            6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                           
                          7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                           
                          8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                           
                          Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                          Bob
                           
                           

                          Sent from my iPad

                          On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                           
                          Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                          In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                           
                          From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                          Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                           
                           
                          The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                          Bob





                           
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                        • Robert Guerin
                          Don, i was not making reference to the $500 peachtree unit (which is very good). They have a $1,000 version at the show and also the new preamp GranPre with
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                            Don, i was not making reference to the $500 peachtree unit (which is very good). They have a $1,000 version at the show and also the new preamp GranPre with the Sabre DAC.
                            Bob


                            From: Joseph Bohan <bohan.joseph@...>
                            To: "rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com" <rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Sun, January 15, 2012 7:30:11 AM
                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                             

                            Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg, 50Kohm or better still 100K like my tube amps. Also it should have good voltage sensitivity, eg. 1 volt input for full power output. The sources ( dvd player, phono preamp,tuner,ipod) all should output apx Twice the voltage needed by the power amp and should ideally have low output impedance,preferrably 1000 ohms or less. Lower is better and higher voltage is better. Almost forgot to add that you will want to keep all your interconnects as short as possible. The voltage from your source component must drive thru the cables and the insertion loss of the passive preamp and be able to adequately drive the power amp.A TVC is less critical for matching than a resistor passive,but more expensive. What happens if the matching is less ideal is usually a rolling off of high frequencies. To get the same transparency as a good passive I believe one would need to spend a great deal more money. Here's a link to the company whose magnificent tvc I bought :     http://www.promitheusaudio.com/frontpage.html       His cosmetics are good,but not top tier. Like great homemade. His most affordable passives are probably the best you could do in that price range. If you can swing a bit more cash,and especially if you want to drive a solid state amp with lower input impedance, his apollo preamp has one triode tube gain stage with transformer output. The C-core option would be best,but adds quite a bit to the price. My preamp is no longer listed, but he would make one if asked. It was his Reference C-core passive. I hope this helps and wasn't overkill.
                             Anyone is welcome to come hear my system. I work weekdays and live in a small apartment and could accomodate only about 2 people at a time.
                            From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:59 AM
                            Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                             
                            Steven,
                            Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                            http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                            Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?

                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                            From: szaiontz@...
                            Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                             
                            I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal.  
                            http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 

                            Cheers,
                            Steven


                            On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                             

                            Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                            For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                            Best,
                            David


                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                            From: ddisbennett@...
                            Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                             

                            Hi, Bob:

                            I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                             
                            Don
                             
                            Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                             
                             

                            I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                             
                            I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                             

                            Sent from my iPad
                             
                            Bob

                            On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                             
                            B

                            ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                            I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                            Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                            So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                            As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                            I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                            David


                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                            From: thudeets@...
                            Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                             
                             
                            Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                             
                            Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                             
                            From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                             
                             
                            Bob:
                             
                            Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                            Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                             
                            Don
                             
                            Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                             
                             
                            Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                             
                            CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                             
                            1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                            2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                             
                            3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                             
                            4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                             
                              5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                             
                              6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                             
                            7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                             
                            8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                             
                            Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                            Bob
                             
                             

                            Sent from my iPad

                            On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                             
                            Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                            In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                             
                            From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                            Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                             
                             
                            The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                            Bob





                             
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                          • david weil
                            Joe, Thanks for the explaination. That really helps me out. I can t say I completely understand because I don t fully understand the mechanics of it all. I may
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                              Joe, Thanks for the explaination. That really helps me out. I can't say I completely understand because I don't fully understand the mechanics of it all. I may have a few more questions for you and I'd be interested in coming by to see and hear your system with the TVC. It sounds like a good time and  would probably help me get a grasp on the passives. I'll shoot you an email later in the week to see what we can set up.
                              Thanks,
                              Dave


                              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                              From: bohan.joseph@...
                              Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:30:11 -0800
                              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                               

                              Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg, 50Kohm or better still 100K like my tube amps. Also it should have good voltage sensitivity, eg. 1 volt input for full power output. The sources ( dvd player, phono preamp,tuner,ipod) all should output apx Twice the voltage needed by the power amp and should ideally have low output impedance,preferrably 1000 ohms or less. Lower is better and higher voltage is better. Almost forgot to add that you will want to keep all your interconnects as short as possible. The voltage from your source component must drive thru the cables and the insertion loss of the passive preamp and be able to adequately drive the power amp.A TVC is less critical for matching than a resistor passive,but more expensive. What happens if the matching is less ideal is usually a rolling off of high frequencies. To get the same transparency as a good passive I believe one would need to spend a great deal more money. Here's a link to the company whose magnificent tvc I bought :     http://www.promitheusaudio.com/frontpage.html       His cosmetics are good,but not top tier. Like great homemade. His most affordable passives are probably the best you could do in that price range. If you can swing a bit more cash,and especially if you want to drive a solid state amp with lower input impedance, his apollo preamp has one triode tube gain stage with transformer output. The C-core option would be best,but adds quite a bit to the price. My preamp is no longer listed, but he would make one if asked. It was his Reference C-core passive. I hope this helps and wasn't overkill.
                               Anyone is welcome to come hear my system. I work weekdays and live in a small apartment and could accomodate only about 2 people at a time.
                              From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:59 AM
                              Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                               
                              Steven,
                              Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                              http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                              Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?

                              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                              From: szaiontz@...
                              Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                               
                              I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal.  
                              http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 

                              Cheers,
                              Steven


                              On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                               

                              Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                              For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                              Best,
                              David


                              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                              From: ddisbennett@...
                              Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                               

                              Hi, Bob:

                              I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                               
                              Don
                               
                              Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                               
                               

                              I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                               
                              I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                               

                              Sent from my iPad
                               
                              Bob

                              On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                               
                              B

                              ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                              I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                              Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                              So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                              As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                              I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                              David


                              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                              From: thudeets@...
                              Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                               
                               
                              Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                               
                              Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                               
                              From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                               
                               
                              Bob:
                               
                              Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                              Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                               
                              Don
                               
                              Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                              Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                               
                               
                              Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                               
                              CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                               
                              1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                              2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                               
                              3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                               
                              4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                               
                                5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                               
                                6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                               
                              7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                               
                              8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                               
                              Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                              Bob
                               
                               

                              Sent from my iPad

                              On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                               
                              Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                              In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                               
                              From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                              To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                              Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                               
                               
                              The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                              Bob





                               
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                            • Don Disbennett
                              Joe: That was a great explanation, but you didn’t indicate what TVC stands for? Don From: david weil Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:12 PM To:
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                                Joe:

                                That was a great explanation, but you didn’t indicate what TVC stands for?
                                 
                                Don
                                 
                                Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:12 PM
                                Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                 
                                 

                                Joe, Thanks for the explaination. That really helps me out. I can't say I completely understand because I don't fully understand the mechanics of it all. I may have a few more questions for you and I'd be interested in coming by to see and hear your system with the TVC. It sounds like a good time and  would probably help me get a grasp on the passives. I'll shoot you an email later in the week to see what we can set up.
                                Thanks,
                                Dave


                                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                From: bohan.joseph@...
                                Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:30:11 -0800
                                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                 
                                 
                                Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg, 50Kohm or better still 100K like my tube amps. Also it should have good voltage sensitivity, eg. 1 volt input for full power output. The sources ( dvd player, phono preamp,tuner,ipod) all should output apx Twice the voltage needed by the power amp and should ideally have low output impedance,preferrably 1000 ohms or less. Lower is better and higher voltage is better. Almost forgot to add that you will want to keep all your interconnects as short as possible. The voltage from your source component must drive thru the cables and the insertion loss of the passive preamp and be able to adequately drive the power amp.A TVC is less critical for matching than a resistor passive,but more expensive. What happens if the matching is less ideal is usually a rolling off of high frequencies. To get the same transparency as a good passive I believe one would need to spend a great deal more money. Here's a link to the company whose magnificent tvc I bought :     http://www.promitheusaudio.com/frontpage.html       His cosmetics are good,but not top tier. Like great homemade. His most affordable passives are probably the best you could do in that price range. If you can swing a bit more cash,and especially if you want to drive a solid state amp with lower input impedance, his apollo preamp has one triode tube gain stage with transformer output. The C-core option would be best,but adds quite a bit to the price. My preamp is no longer listed, but he would make one if asked. It was his Reference C-core passive. I hope this helps and wasn't overkill.
                                Anyone is welcome to come hear my system. I work weekdays and live in a small apartment and could accomodate only about 2 people at a time.
                                From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:59 AM
                                Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                 
                                 
                                Steven,
                                Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                                http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                                Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?

                                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                From: szaiontz@...
                                Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                 
                                I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal. 
                                http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 
                                 
                                Cheers,
                                Steven
                                 
                                 
                                On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                                 
                                 
                                Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                                For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                                Best,
                                David


                                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                From: ddisbennett@...
                                Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                 
                                 
                                Hi, Bob:

                                I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                                 
                                Don
                                 
                                Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                                 
                                I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                                 

                                Sent from my iPad
                                 
                                Bob

                                On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                                 
                                B

                                ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                                I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                                Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                                So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                                As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                                I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                                David


                                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                From: thudeets@...
                                Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                 
                                 
                                Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                                 
                                Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                                 
                                From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                 
                                 
                                Bob:
                                 
                                Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                                Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                                 
                                Don
                                 
                                Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                                Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                 
                                 
                                Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                                 
                                CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                                 
                                1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                                2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                                 
                                3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                                 
                                4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                                 
                                  5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                                 
                                  6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                                 
                                7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                                 
                                8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                                 
                                Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                                Bob
                                 
                                 

                                Sent from my iPad

                                On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                                 
                                Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                                In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                                 
                                From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                                To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                                Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                 
                                 
                                The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                                Bob





                                 
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                              • Alan Hendler
                                TVC is transformer volume control It is typically a tapped autotransformer such as in my Sonic Euphoria passive preamp Alan ________________________________
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                                  TVC is transformer volume control
                                  It is typically a tapped autotransformer such as
                                  in my Sonic Euphoria passive preamp
                                  Alan



                                  From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Sun, January 15, 2012 8:24:04 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                   

                                  Joe:

                                  That was a great explanation, but you didn’t indicate what TVC stands for?
                                   
                                  Don
                                   
                                  Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:12 PM
                                  Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                   
                                   

                                  Joe, Thanks for the explaination. That really helps me out. I can't say I completely understand because I don't fully understand the mechanics of it all. I may have a few more questions for you and I'd be interested in coming by to see and hear your system with the TVC. It sounds like a good time and  would probably help me get a grasp on the passives. I'll shoot you an email later in the week to see what we can set up.
                                  Thanks,
                                  Dave


                                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                  From: bohan.joseph@...
                                  Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:30:11 -0800
                                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                   
                                   
                                  Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg, 50Kohm or better still 100K like my tube amps. Also it should have good voltage sensitivity, eg. 1 volt input for full power output. The sources ( dvd player, phono preamp,tuner,ipod) all should output apx Twice the voltage needed by the power amp and should ideally have low output impedance,preferrably 1000 ohms or less. Lower is better and higher voltage is better. Almost forgot to add that you will want to keep all your interconnects as short as possible. The voltage from your source component must drive thru the cables and the insertion loss of the passive preamp and be able to adequately drive the power amp.A TVC is less critical for matching than a resistor passive,but more expensive. What happens if the matching is less ideal is usually a rolling off of high frequencies. To get the same transparency as a good passive I believe one would need to spend a great deal more money. Here's a link to the company whose magnificent tvc I bought :     http://www.promitheusaudio.com/frontpage.html       His cosmetics are good,but not top tier. Like great homemade. His most affordable passives are probably the best you could do in that price range. If you can swing a bit more cash,and especially if you want to drive a solid state amp with lower input impedance, his apollo preamp has one triode tube gain stage with transformer output. The C-core option would be best,but adds quite a bit to the price. My preamp is no longer listed, but he would make one if asked. It was his Reference C-core passive. I hope this helps and wasn't overkill.
                                  Anyone is welcome to come hear my system. I work weekdays and live in a small apartment and could accomodate only about 2 people at a time.
                                  From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:59 AM
                                  Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                   
                                   
                                  Steven,
                                  Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                                  http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                                  Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?

                                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                  From: szaiontz@...
                                  Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                   
                                  I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal. 
                                  http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 
                                   
                                  Cheers,
                                  Steven
                                   
                                   
                                  On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                                   
                                   
                                  Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                                  For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                                  Best,
                                  David


                                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                  From: ddisbennett@...
                                  Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                   
                                   
                                  Hi, Bob:

                                  I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                                   
                                  Don
                                   
                                  Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                  I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                                   
                                  I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                                   

                                  Sent from my iPad
                                   
                                  Bob

                                  On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                                   
                                  B

                                  ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                                  I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                                  Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                                  So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                                  As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                                  I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                                  David


                                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                  From: thudeets@...
                                  Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                   
                                   
                                  Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                                   
                                  Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                                   
                                  From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                   
                                   
                                  Bob:
                                   
                                  Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                                  Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                                   
                                  Don
                                   
                                  Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                   
                                   
                                  Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                                   
                                  CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                                   
                                  1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                                  2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                                   
                                  3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                                   
                                  4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                                   
                                    5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                                   
                                    6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                                   
                                  7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                                   
                                  8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                                   
                                  Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                                  Bob
                                   
                                   

                                  Sent from my iPad

                                  On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                                   
                                  Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                                  In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                                   
                                  From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                                  To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                                  Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                   
                                   
                                  The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                                  Bob





                                   
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                                  TVC = Transformer Volume Control .  http://www.sowter.co.uk/transformer-attenuators.php    The schematics at the bottom are pretty easy to understand. The
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                                    TVC = Transformer Volume Control . 
                                    http://www.sowter.co.uk/transformer-attenuators.php    The schematics at the bottom are pretty easy to understand. The input voltage is applied across the primary winding of the transformer, the secondary winding of the transformer has many wire taps at precise fixed intervals and the volume switch selects how much voltage output by which secondary tap is connected to the output RCA's. Most systems will use the unbalanced input and output scheme. Mine has one balanced input and two unbalanced input with two pair of unbalanced output so it could be used for biamping or an amp and sub amp. Schematics are read left to right with input to the left and output to the right , except for antique scematics made before this was standardized. There are only a few manufacturers of the transformers themselves. Most TVC mfrs buy somebody else's transformer to use. My guy makes all himself,and I chose his C-core as I consider it the gold standard in transformers,with the possible exception of toroidal,which no one yet makes for TVC purpuses. Passive volume control allows closer tracking between channels,that means that at different volume settings the two channels are increased and decreased by exactly the same amount. A standard potentiometer volume control is two potentiometers mechanically ganged together and as you try different volume settings the stereo CENTER can shift left or right by up to a couple of decibels. I can offer up different brands to check out if you'd like. You can also buy them in kit form if you like to build and solder.
                                    From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:24 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                     
                                    Joe:

                                    That was a great explanation, but you didn’t indicate what TVC stands for?
                                     
                                    Don
                                     
                                    Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:12 PM
                                    Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                     
                                     
                                    Joe, Thanks for the explaination. That really helps me out. I can't say I completely understand because I don't fully understand the mechanics of it all. I may have a few more questions for you and I'd be interested in coming by to see and hear your system with the TVC. It sounds like a good time and  would probably help me get a grasp on the passives. I'll shoot you an email later in the week to see what we can set up.
                                    Thanks,
                                    Dave

                                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                    From: bohan.joseph@...
                                    Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:30:11 -0800
                                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                     
                                     
                                    Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg, 50Kohm or better still 100K like my tube amps. Also it should have good voltage sensitivity, eg. 1 volt input for full power output. The sources ( dvd player, phono preamp,tuner,ipod) all should output apx Twice the voltage needed by the power amp and should ideally have low output impedance,preferrably 1000 ohms or less. Lower is better and higher voltage is better. Almost forgot to add that you will want to keep all your interconnects as short as possible. The voltage from your source component must drive thru the cables and the insertion loss of the passive preamp and be able to adequately drive the power amp.A TVC is less critical for matching than a resistor passive,but more expensive. What happens if the matching is less ideal is usually a rolling off of high frequencies. To get the same transparency as a good passive I believe one would need to spend a great deal more money. Here's a link to the company whose magnificent tvc I bought :     http://www.promitheusaudio.com/frontpage.html       His cosmetics are good,but not top tier. Like great homemade. His most affordable passives are probably the best you could do in that price range. If you can swing a bit more cash,and especially if you want to drive a solid state amp with lower input impedance, his apollo preamp has one triode tube gain stage with transformer output. The C-core option would be best,but adds quite a bit to the price. My preamp is no longer listed, but he would make one if asked. It was his Reference C-core passive. I hope this helps and wasn't overkill.
                                    Anyone is welcome to come hear my system. I work weekdays and live in a small apartment and could accomodate only about 2 people at a time.
                                    From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:59 AM
                                    Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                     
                                     
                                    Steven,
                                    Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                                    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                                    Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?

                                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                    From: szaiontz@...
                                    Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                     
                                    I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal. 
                                    http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 
                                     
                                    Cheers,
                                    Steven
                                     
                                     
                                    On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                                     
                                     
                                    Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                                    For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                                    Best,
                                    David


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                                    From: ddisbennett@...
                                    Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                     
                                     
                                    Hi, Bob:

                                    I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                                     
                                    Don
                                     
                                    Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                    I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                                     
                                    I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                                     

                                    Sent from my iPad
                                     
                                    Bob

                                    On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                                     
                                    B

                                    ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                                    I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                                    Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                                    So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                                    As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                                    I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                                    David


                                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                    From: thudeets@...
                                    Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                     
                                     
                                    Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                                     
                                    Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                                     
                                    From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                     
                                     
                                    Bob:
                                     
                                    Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                                    Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                                     
                                    Don
                                     
                                    Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                     
                                     
                                    Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                                     
                                    CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                                     
                                    1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                                    2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                                     
                                    3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                                     
                                    4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                                     
                                      5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                                     
                                      6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                                     
                                    7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                                     
                                    8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                                     
                                    Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                                    Bob
                                     
                                     

                                    Sent from my iPad

                                    On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                                     
                                    Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                                    In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                                     
                                    From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                                    To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                                    Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                     
                                     
                                    The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                                    Bob





                                     
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                                  • Joseph Bohan
                                    That would be fine. ________________________________ From: david weil To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 15,
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                                      That would be fine.

                                      From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:12 PM
                                      Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                       
                                      Joe, Thanks for the explaination. That really helps me out. I can't say I completely understand because I don't fully understand the mechanics of it all. I may have a few more questions for you and I'd be interested in coming by to see and hear your system with the TVC. It sounds like a good time and  would probably help me get a grasp on the passives. I'll shoot you an email later in the week to see what we can set up.
                                      Thanks,
                                      Dave

                                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: bohan.joseph@...
                                      Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:30:11 -0800
                                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                       

                                      Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg, 50Kohm or better still 100K like my tube amps. Also it should have good voltage sensitivity, eg. 1 volt input for full power output. The sources ( dvd player, phono preamp,tuner,ipod) all should output apx Twice the voltage needed by the power amp and should ideally have low output impedance,preferrably 1000 ohms or less. Lower is better and higher voltage is better. Almost forgot to add that you will want to keep all your interconnects as short as possible. The voltage from your source component must drive thru the cables and the insertion loss of the passive preamp and be able to adequately drive the power amp.A TVC is less critical for matching than a resistor passive,but more expensive. What happens if the matching is less ideal is usually a rolling off of high frequencies. To get the same transparency as a good passive I believe one would need to spend a great deal more money. Here's a link to the company whose magnificent tvc I bought :     http://www.promitheusaudio.com/frontpage.html       His cosmetics are good,but not top tier. Like great homemade. His most affordable passives are probably the best you could do in that price range. If you can swing a bit more cash,and especially if you want to drive a solid state amp with lower input impedance, his apollo preamp has one triode tube gain stage with transformer output. The C-core option would be best,but adds quite a bit to the price. My preamp is no longer listed, but he would make one if asked. It was his Reference C-core passive. I hope this helps and wasn't overkill.
                                       Anyone is welcome to come hear my system. I work weekdays and live in a small apartment and could accomodate only about 2 people at a time.
                                      From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:59 AM
                                      Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                       
                                      Steven,
                                      Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                                      http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                                      Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?

                                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: szaiontz@...
                                      Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                       
                                      I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal.  
                                      http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 

                                      Cheers,
                                      Steven


                                      On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                                       

                                      Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                                      For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                                      Best,
                                      David


                                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: ddisbennett@...
                                      Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                       

                                      Hi, Bob:

                                      I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                                       
                                      Don
                                       
                                      Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                       
                                       

                                      I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                                       
                                      I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                                       

                                      Sent from my iPad
                                       
                                      Bob

                                      On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                                       
                                      B

                                      ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                                      I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                                      Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                                      So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                                      As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                                      I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                                      David


                                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: thudeets@...
                                      Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                       
                                       
                                      Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                                       
                                      Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                                       
                                      From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                       
                                       
                                      Bob:
                                       
                                      Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                                      Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                                       
                                      Don
                                       
                                      Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                       
                                       
                                      Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                                       
                                      CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                                       
                                      1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                                      2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                                       
                                      3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                                       
                                      4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                                       
                                        5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                                       
                                        6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                                       
                                      7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                                       
                                      8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                                       
                                      Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                                      Bob
                                       
                                       

                                      Sent from my iPad

                                      On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                                       
                                      Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                                      In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                                       
                                      From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                                      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                                      Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                       
                                       
                                      The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                                      Bob





                                       
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                                    • Steven Zaiontz
                                      If you re dead set on using a passive preamp, perhaps you should take a look at the Lighter Note, and the Lightspeed Attenuator. These two passive preamps use
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                                        If you're dead set on using a passive preamp, perhaps you should take a look at the Lighter Note, and the Lightspeed Attenuator.  These two passive preamps use LDR (Light Dependent Resistors) to alter volume and are said to be some of the best.  The Lightspeed Attenuator can be bought as a complete ready to go unit, while the Lighter Note is a kit that needs to be assembled and put into an enclosure.  The Lighter Note is a much more refined design and one that I should probably build for myself.  I've seen the lighter notes paired with tube buffers such as the Dodd and Nelson Pass' B1.  Just food for thought.  Good luck!


                                        -Steven Z

                                        On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Alan Hendler <alanhendler@...> wrote:
                                         

                                        TVC is transformer volume control
                                        It is typically a tapped autotransformer such as
                                        in my Sonic Euphoria passive preamp
                                        Alan



                                        Sent: Sun, January 15, 2012 8:24:04 PM

                                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                         

                                        Joe:

                                        That was a great explanation, but you didn’t indicate what TVC stands for?
                                         
                                        Don
                                         
                                        Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:12 PM
                                        Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                         
                                         

                                        Joe, Thanks for the explaination. That really helps me out. I can't say I completely understand because I don't fully understand the mechanics of it all. I may have a few more questions for you and I'd be interested in coming by to see and hear your system with the TVC. It sounds like a good time and  would probably help me get a grasp on the passives. I'll shoot you an email later in the week to see what we can set up.
                                        Thanks,
                                        Dave


                                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                        From: bohan.joseph@...
                                        Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:30:11 -0800
                                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                         
                                         
                                        Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg, 50Kohm or better still 100K like my tube amps. Also it should have good voltage sensitivity, eg. 1 volt input for full power output. The sources ( dvd player, phono preamp,tuner,ipod) all should output apx Twice the voltage needed by the power amp and should ideally have low output impedance,preferrably 1000 ohms or less. Lower is better and higher voltage is better. Almost forgot to add that you will want to keep all your interconnects as short as possible. The voltage from your source component must drive thru the cables and the insertion loss of the passive preamp and be able to adequately drive the power amp.A TVC is less critical for matching than a resistor passive,but more expensive. What happens if the matching is less ideal is usually a rolling off of high frequencies. To get the same transparency as a good passive I believe one would need to spend a great deal more money. Here's a link to the company whose magnificent tvc I bought :     http://www.promitheusaudio.com/frontpage.html       His cosmetics are good,but not top tier. Like great homemade. His most affordable passives are probably the best you could do in that price range. If you can swing a bit more cash,and especially if you want to drive a solid state amp with lower input impedance, his apollo preamp has one triode tube gain stage with transformer output. The C-core option would be best,but adds quite a bit to the price. My preamp is no longer listed, but he would make one if asked. It was his Reference C-core passive. I hope this helps and wasn't overkill.
                                        Anyone is welcome to come hear my system. I work weekdays and live in a small apartment and could accomodate only about 2 people at a time.
                                        From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:59 AM
                                        Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                         
                                         
                                        Steven,
                                        Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                                        http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                                        Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?

                                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                        From: szaiontz@...
                                        Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                         
                                        I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal. 
                                        http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 
                                         
                                        Cheers,
                                        Steven
                                         
                                         
                                        On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                                         
                                         
                                        Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                                        For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                                        Best,
                                        David


                                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                        From: ddisbennett@...
                                        Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                         
                                         
                                        Hi, Bob:

                                        I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                                         
                                        Don
                                         
                                        Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                         
                                         
                                         
                                        I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                                         
                                        I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                                         

                                        Sent from my iPad
                                         
                                        Bob

                                        On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                                         
                                        B

                                        ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                                        I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                                        Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                                        So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                                        As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                                        I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                                        David


                                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                        From: thudeets@...
                                        Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                         
                                         
                                        Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                                         
                                        Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                                         
                                        From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                         
                                         
                                        Bob:
                                         
                                        Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                                        Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                                         
                                        Don
                                         
                                        Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                         
                                         
                                        Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                                         
                                        CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                                         
                                        1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                                        2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                                         
                                        3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                                         
                                        4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                                         
                                          5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                                         
                                          6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                                         
                                        7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                                         
                                        8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                                         
                                        Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                                        Bob
                                         
                                         

                                        Sent from my iPad

                                        On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                                         
                                        Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                                        In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                                         
                                        From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                                        To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                                        Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                         
                                         
                                        The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                                        Bob





                                         
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                                      • Steve Surbaugh
                                        For what its worth I came across the Peachtree iDecco in a pawnshop off Austin Hwy, asking price was $899 if I recall correctly. You can certainly talk them
                                        Message 19 of 27 , Jan 19, 2012
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                                          For what its worth I came across the Peachtree iDecco in a pawnshop off Austin Hwy, asking price was $899 if I recall correctly. You can certainly talk them down.......down....

                                          steve


                                          From: Steven Zaiontz <szaiontz@...>
                                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:10 AM
                                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                           
                                          If you're dead set on using a passive preamp, perhaps you should take a look at the Lighter Note, and the Lightspeed Attenuator.  These two passive preamps use LDR (Light Dependent Resistors) to alter volume and are said to be some of the best.  The Lightspeed Attenuator can be bought as a complete ready to go unit, while the Lighter Note is a kit that needs to be assembled and put into an enclosure.  The Lighter Note is a much more refined design and one that I should probably build for myself.  I've seen the lighter notes paired with tube buffers such as the Dodd and Nelson Pass' B1.  Just food for thought.  Good luck!


                                          -Steven Z

                                          On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Alan Hendler <alanhendler@...> wrote:
                                           
                                          TVC is transformer volume control
                                          It is typically a tapped autotransformer such as
                                          in my Sonic Euphoria passive preamp
                                          Alan



                                          Sent: Sun, January 15, 2012 8:24:04 PM

                                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                           
                                          Joe:

                                          That was a great explanation, but you didn’t indicate what TVC stands for?
                                           
                                          Don
                                           
                                          Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:12 PM
                                          Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                           
                                           
                                          Joe, Thanks for the explaination. That really helps me out. I can't say I completely understand because I don't fully understand the mechanics of it all. I may have a few more questions for you and I'd be interested in coming by to see and hear your system with the TVC. It sounds like a good time and  would probably help me get a grasp on the passives. I'll shoot you an email later in the week to see what we can set up.
                                          Thanks,
                                          Dave


                                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                          From: bohan.joseph@...
                                          Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:30:11 -0800
                                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                           
                                           
                                          Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg, 50Kohm or better still 100K like my tube amps. Also it should have good voltage sensitivity, eg. 1 volt input for full power output. The sources ( dvd player, phono preamp,tuner,ipod) all should output apx Twice the voltage needed by the power amp and should ideally have low output impedance,preferrably 1000 ohms or less. Lower is better and higher voltage is better. Almost forgot to add that you will want to keep all your interconnects as short as possible. The voltage from your source component must drive thru the cables and the insertion loss of the passive preamp and be able to adequately drive the power amp.A TVC is less critical for matching than a resistor passive,but more expensive. What happens if the matching is less ideal is usually a rolling off of high frequencies. To get the same transparency as a good passive I believe one would need to spend a great deal more money. Here's a link to the company whose magnificent tvc I bought :     http://www.promitheusaudio.com/frontpage.html       His cosmetics are good,but not top tier. Like great homemade. His most affordable passives are probably the best you could do in that price range. If you can swing a bit more cash,and especially if you want to drive a solid state amp with lower input impedance, his apollo preamp has one triode tube gain stage with transformer output. The C-core option would be best,but adds quite a bit to the price. My preamp is no longer listed, but he would make one if asked. It was his Reference C-core passive. I hope this helps and wasn't overkill.
                                          Anyone is welcome to come hear my system. I work weekdays and live in a small apartment and could accomodate only about 2 people at a time.
                                          From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:59 AM
                                          Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                           
                                           
                                          Steven,
                                          Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                                          http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                                          Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?

                                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                          From: szaiontz@...
                                          Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                           
                                          I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal. 
                                          http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 
                                           
                                          Cheers,
                                          Steven
                                           
                                           
                                          On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                                           
                                           
                                          Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                                          For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                                          Best,
                                          David


                                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                          From: ddisbennett@...
                                          Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                           
                                           
                                          Hi, Bob:

                                          I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                                           
                                          Don
                                           
                                          Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                          I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                                           
                                          I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                                           

                                          Sent from my iPad
                                           
                                          Bob

                                          On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                                           
                                          B

                                          ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                                          I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                                          Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                                          So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                                          As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                                          I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                                          David


                                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                          From: thudeets@...
                                          Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                           
                                           
                                          Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                                           
                                          Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                                           
                                          From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                           
                                           
                                          Bob:
                                           
                                          Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                                          Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                                           
                                          Don
                                           
                                          Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                           
                                           
                                          Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                                           
                                          CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                                           
                                          1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                                          2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                                           
                                          3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                                           
                                          4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                                           
                                            5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                                           
                                            6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                                           
                                          7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                                           
                                          8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                                           
                                          Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                                          Bob
                                           
                                           

                                          Sent from my iPad

                                          On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                                           
                                          Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                                          In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                                           
                                          From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                                          To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                                          Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                           
                                           
                                          The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
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                                            You can buy them new online for $100 less and they come with a warranty.


                                            From: Steve Surbaugh <stevesurbaugh@...>
                                            To: "rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com" <rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 5:52 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                             
                                            For what its worth I came across the Peachtree iDecco in a pawnshop off Austin Hwy, asking price was $899 if I recall correctly. You can certainly talk them down.......down....

                                            steve


                                            From: Steven Zaiontz <szaiontz@...>
                                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:10 AM
                                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                             
                                            If you're dead set on using a passive preamp, perhaps you should take a look at the Lighter Note, and the Lightspeed Attenuator.  These two passive preamps use LDR (Light Dependent Resistors) to alter volume and are said to be some of the best.  The Lightspeed Attenuator can be bought as a complete ready to go unit, while the Lighter Note is a kit that needs to be assembled and put into an enclosure.  The Lighter Note is a much more refined design and one that I should probably build for myself.  I've seen the lighter notes paired with tube buffers such as the Dodd and Nelson Pass' B1.  Just food for thought.  Good luck!


                                            -Steven Z

                                            On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Alan Hendler <alanhendler@...> wrote:
                                             
                                            TVC is transformer volume control
                                            It is typically a tapped autotransformer such as
                                            in my Sonic Euphoria passive preamp
                                            Alan



                                            Sent: Sun, January 15, 2012 8:24:04 PM

                                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                             
                                            Joe:

                                            That was a great explanation, but you didn’t indicate what TVC stands for?
                                             
                                            Don
                                             
                                            Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 8:12 PM
                                            Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                             
                                             
                                            Joe, Thanks for the explaination. That really helps me out. I can't say I completely understand because I don't fully understand the mechanics of it all. I may have a few more questions for you and I'd be interested in coming by to see and hear your system with the TVC. It sounds like a good time and  would probably help me get a grasp on the passives. I'll shoot you an email later in the week to see what we can set up.
                                            Thanks,
                                            Dave


                                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                            From: bohan.joseph@...
                                            Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:30:11 -0800
                                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                             
                                             
                                            Hey Dave ! Joe Bohan here. I have a passive pre ( TVC) in my system. What works best for any passive pre is a power amp with a high input impedance , eg, 50Kohm or better still 100K like my tube amps. Also it should have good voltage sensitivity, eg. 1 volt input for full power output. The sources ( dvd player, phono preamp,tuner,ipod) all should output apx Twice the voltage needed by the power amp and should ideally have low output impedance,preferrably 1000 ohms or less. Lower is better and higher voltage is better. Almost forgot to add that you will want to keep all your interconnects as short as possible. The voltage from your source component must drive thru the cables and the insertion loss of the passive preamp and be able to adequately drive the power amp.A TVC is less critical for matching than a resistor passive,but more expensive. What happens if the matching is less ideal is usually a rolling off of high frequencies. To get the same transparency as a good passive I believe one would need to spend a great deal more money. Here's a link to the company whose magnificent tvc I bought :     http://www.promitheusaudio.com/frontpage.html       His cosmetics are good,but not top tier. Like great homemade. His most affordable passives are probably the best you could do in that price range. If you can swing a bit more cash,and especially if you want to drive a solid state amp with lower input impedance, his apollo preamp has one triode tube gain stage with transformer output. The C-core option would be best,but adds quite a bit to the price. My preamp is no longer listed, but he would make one if asked. It was his Reference C-core passive. I hope this helps and wasn't overkill.
                                            Anyone is welcome to come hear my system. I work weekdays and live in a small apartment and could accomodate only about 2 people at a time.
                                            From: david weil <dpgdave@...>
                                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:59 AM
                                            Subject: RE: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                             
                                             
                                            Steven,
                                            Thanks for the suggestion. I had no idea what a tube buffer was until you brought it to my attention -- So it's a passive pre without gain. Interesting. Right now my money needs to go to a preamp/dac but the Dodd looks like a sweet little piece. If anyone is interested, I found a deal on it:

                                            http://app.audiogon.com/listings/452655

                                            Can anyone explain what type of system would be a candidate for a passive pre?

                                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                            From: szaiontz@...
                                            Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:46:17 -0600
                                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                             
                                            I've heard good things of the Dodd tube buffer if you want to just add a little warmth to the signal. 
                                            http://doddaudio.com/BatteryPoweredTubeBufferPreamp.aspx 
                                             
                                            Cheers,
                                            Steven
                                             
                                             
                                            On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:38 AM, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:
                                             
                                             
                                            Don, That's the Peachtree Grand Pre that we were referring to. Peachtree is heading up market with they're Grand series which includes the Grand Pre ($3k) and Grand integrated (4,500). You can check them out on they're website. I've heard the Dac-it and thought it was great. I also owned the original Decco as well as the Nova and thought they were great values, versatile and high quality. I'm not sure if I like were Peachtree is going with the higher priced gear... I did see the integrated at the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest - its 450 watts per channel ClassD and they had it driving a big set of Sonus Faber I thought it sounded great.
                                            For my needs, I'd love to try out the Grand Pre, but at the high price, I may just buy a used Nova and use as the preamp and dac sections-I'd use the pre outs to my amps and maybe try some tube rolling. That or I'll just buy a tube preamp and a stand alone DAC. Does anyone have any recommendations for a tube preamp? I missed the Preamp club meeting... My system consists of a Sony SACD5400 source, Belles MB-200 amps and Martin Logan CLS speakers. I want to warm the system up a little bit with the tubes.

                                            Best,
                                            David


                                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                            From: ddisbennett@...
                                            Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:22:26 -0600

                                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                             
                                             
                                            Hi, Bob:

                                            I have the new Peachtree Dac*it dac and it was only $499; I guess you are referring to Peachtree’s higher end model, the IDac which runs about $1,000 or so.  I am very pleased with the sound quality and especially the hidden detail from their “budget” dac.
                                             
                                            Don
                                             
                                            Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:57 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                             
                                             
                                             
                                            I hear what your saying. New SACD were nowhere to be seen except Esoteric, and they are having managemen issues now. But i still love gheyty
                                             
                                            I have hear great digital at 24/96 using HD tracks and afforbable dacs, like my music hall. The peachtree is very good but a bit picey for our needs. U need to come by'y place and hear some new stuff.
                                             

                                            Sent from my iPad
                                             
                                            Bob

                                            On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:22, david weil <dpgdave@...> wrote:

                                             
                                            B

                                            ob: Thanks for the updates. If you see any new and affordable SACD players with digital inputs, please let me know.

                                            I still haven't heard a digital file sound better than an SACD (and I won't even mention vinyl). With an SACD player w/digital input, one could play CDs, SACDs, or digital music from a computer, including hi-def, straight through the player without having to buy both a dac and SACD player (SACD player is needed because the SACD format cannot be outputted through a transport/dac). I was shopping for such a player but couldn't find anything with the digital input that was still affordable - high end Esoteric, Wadia & Luxman players had the digital input but far too expensive for me. I ended up with a Sony SACD5400 which I think is very good but no digital input.

                                            Another option for me would be a preamp with a Dac in it to run my CD/SACD player in analog and computer in digital. I've seen the Benchmark pre but I'd like something with tubes. Dac integration in a tube preamp seems to go against the tube gear design philosophy of isolation and simplicity. So far I've only found the Peachtree Grand Pre which could work for me but it's brand new and pricey.
                                            So if you see anything like that at the show, please let me know. That would be very helpful.

                                            As for the meetings, I've got my digital rig up and running with Wassapi, the output that bypasses Windows media on PC (windows media cannot output 24 bit).
                                            I'd be happy to hold a meeting to show the guys how to get they're hi-def digital up and running correctly.

                                            David


                                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                            From: thudeets@...
                                            Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:41:34 -0800
                                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas

                                             
                                             
                                            Bob, will do regarding the future mini-meeting logistics. Also, I agree with Don. Thank you for the great report. One comment on your findings -- I know there may be a sense of growing dismay as the availability of the CD format dwindles, and gets replaced by yet another (Computers and DACs?). That said I have heard people say digital audio files sound great these days. I have also heard people contradict the idea that digital audio files sound great. I guess one's perception may be dependent on the quality of the equipment used for playback. My experience is that the file is not the weak-link it used to be when the compression formats like MP3 were the only option. Just a thought. Again, thank you for some great insight.
                                             
                                            Don, nothing added or changed regarding the setup similar to yours. I have another setup (two-channel) which is the one that is down for improvements at this time. Nothing has been added though. It is undergoing a checkup and possibly some parts replacements as an upgrade) --- Matt
                                             
                                            From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
                                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:38 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                             
                                             
                                            Bob:
                                             
                                            Great report on CES!  We are so glad you are there representing the RCA’s and for your insight into developing trends from the show.  I also was very pleased to hear that Mat will be hosting a mini meet later this year and curious what equipment he is adding as his old system was very similar to my main HT system.
                                            Looking forward to our next meeting; I have two recommendations for future topics:  DAC’s (which is already in the mill I believe) and Powered speakers which seem to be having a resurgence of popularity recently.
                                             
                                            Don
                                             
                                            Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:28 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                             
                                             
                                            Matt, thanks for the comments. When you are ready fir a mini meeting just let me know how many members can fit in you listening area and i will announce it. It can be a few or as large as you wish. There is no responsibility to provide anything other than allowing members to hear your system.
                                             
                                            CES was great, Im finished now it,s very demanding physically for me and i have hit my limit. A few trends comments:
                                             
                                            1.Very few cd players anywhere. The Oppo 95 (stock) was in several rooms and sounded very good.

                                            2. Amara software was the main choice on Apple sytems. HD tracks very popular.
                                             
                                            3.  More vinyl & tube equipment than new solid state.
                                             
                                            4.  Too many DACs to pick from. How do you chose? They all sound good. Doesnt seem necessary to spend over $500.
                                             
                                              5. Talked to Tom Norton from Home Theater magazine. He posts a great blog from the show and is the best reviewer I have ever met. No ego, loves audio & video, talks to everyone.
                                             
                                              6.  The SHOW also goes on duing CES and is yet another venue of exhibits and great stuff. Many small companies cant pay CES fees so this alternative is great. They dont charge admission if you have a CES badge.
                                             
                                            7.  The SHOW and Cary audio held a concert with Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul & Mary. They recorded it, and played it back later on their 60 watt tube amps. I can report NO loss of sound quality. It is nice that we can now buy gear that can really give you exactly what the musician wants. Even Paul spoke about this as well as expressing disdain for much current music that is style/show more than quality. Paul has been in the business over 50 years and knows of what he speaks....... He is still a top performer, i hope Cary releases this as an album.
                                             
                                            8. Met Galen Carol here and he has agreed to host another meeting at his store thus summer.
                                             
                                            Thats it from here. Should be a lot of stuff online. Tomorrow im flying by helicopter to the grand canyon......cant be in hi fi mode all the time.
                                            Bob
                                             
                                             

                                            Sent from my iPad

                                            On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:49, Matt Solorio <thudeets@...> wrote:

                                             
                                            Bob, as per your comment for "mini" meeting hosts, I would be happy to do one. I am not sure when yet. My main listening system is down for improvements at this time, and of course, it will be operational for a “mini” meet; it should be up soon, right-as-rain, and better than ever. Will follow up
                                            In addition, I finished reading all the great dialogue so far on the CES thread. Thank you for conferring with the members back here is SA. The convention sounds awesome. So do this year’s plans for RCAS meetings and events. This is a great society to be involved. --- Matt
                                             
                                            From: Robert <godzilla56@...>
                                            To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:18 AM
                                            Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Consumer Electronics Show (CES )Las Vegas
                                             
                                             
                                            The RCAS is represented at CES. I am here this week to see stuff that wasnt in Denver. Will try to evaluate DAC's and computer audio as I know interest is high in this area. John and I have been discussing a future meeting to revisit this subject. There are also members of our sister club, Houston Audio Society here as well. If I see any really hot items ill mention it, but other sites have full time reporters who will post pictures etc, so I dont plan to try to duplicate their efforts. We are still working on the 2012 meeting schedule, and we need other members to volunteer to host a "mini" meeting at their home. The Bjorn events are quarterly unless we have access to a speaker or company rep. I will also be working on that in my meetings here this week. Also will be working on the home concert plan when I return. 2012 will be busy! Hope to see everyone soon.
                                            Bob





                                             
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