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Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity

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  • Joseph Bohan
    I want to thank Alan for having me over Saturday and sharing our music together. My Louis & Ella never sounded as good as when played using his new AudioNote
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      I want to thank Alan for having me over Saturday and sharing our music together. My Louis & Ella never sounded as good as when played using his new AudioNote Dac . My new reference in what is possible from Red Book CD's .   Joe Bohan


      From: Alan Hendler <alanhendler@...>
      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:16 PM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity

       
      Yes, you are right. The audionote will take up to 24/96 but will resolve to 18 bit which is the resolution
      of the analog devices 1865n chip. It does no over or up sampling and has no digital or analog
      filter. It also does no jitter reduction. Audionote feels that all these processes negatively
      effect the timing of the recovered analog waveform. The dac measures poorly but as I have said
      it sounds simply amazing. Maybe when I do a future one of these critical listening sessions I will bring it. Meanwhile I 
      will be happy to bring my 5400 sacd player
      Alan

      From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sun, February 17, 2013 10:59:30 PM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity

       
      Matt/Alan:

      I am not familiar with the AudioNote DAC, but I am sure that if Alan thinks it is a good one, it is and I would love to hear it.  However, I will still need to bring another DAC since I believe Alan said the AudioNote is 16/44.1 only and many of my files (Walsh, Beck, etc.) are higher resolution so they wouldn’t play on his DAC.
       
      Don
       
      From: Matt
      Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:49 PM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity
       
       
      Alan, the Sony sounds great.
       
      I think the AudioNote DAC is a great DAC, however I defer to Don. He will know better than I how it fits with the rest of the equipment which he is bringing.
      ---Matt
       
      From: Alan Hendler <alanhendler@...>
      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:28 PM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity
       
      Hey guys,
      I definetly could bring my Sony 5400 and if you want I could also bring with it
      my new AudioNote Dac 2.1b. The combination is unbelievable
      Alan
       
       
      From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sun, February 17, 2013 7:01:54 PM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity
       
      Hi, Matt:
      I could bring my integrated amp and one of my DAC’s; my Audioengine is currently back at the factory to investigate the noise that has been reported at some of our meetings and confirmed by me here at home.  If it doesn’t make it back in time, I have several others I can bring.   I can bring either my M&K standmount speakers or my smaller Definitive Technology bipolar floorstanders. I Alan wouldn’t mind, he had offered to bring his Sony SACD player, which we all know to be of very high quality. I have a Sony SACD too, but it is not nearly of the caliber of Alan’s, although it won’t make much difference if we run it digitally into my DAC.  You didn’t mention my bringing my laptop, so I guess you don’t need it and therefore I guess you are bringing all the music for the program(I don’t have any Zappa on it).  I do have many other guitarists which might be compared or contrasted to Zappa, such as Jeff Beck or even Joe Walsh or Al Dimeola(and of course, Liberace – JK).
      Let me know your thoughts on the above equipment or any suggestions for additions/changes.
       
      Don
       
       
       
      From: Matt
      Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:48 PM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity
       
       
      Don,
      My original thought when making the "critical" listening session proposal was that the equipment would be by one person because it would be equipment that has a track record of fitting together well; at least in theory. That person ideally would be the person providing the musical programing for the meeting, however it could be anyone. I know you're not a big analogue fan, so I could still bring a turntable. However, if the offer of the NAD integrated amp DAC still stand that might work. Could you provide a set of speakers that you know work well with said amp, and a CD player to go with the DAC? Let me know. That would be great if so. If the concern is lugging the stuff to whatever venue we end up snagging I would be willing to to the loins share of the planning for that part. What say you?
      I get your concern. I haven't said anything yet because I have not finalized the program, but since you brought up a good point you should know that my plan is to throw in stuff that is not Zappa, that way we're not slogging through three or four hours of my favorite artist alone. That said, if anyone gets bored I would have no problem with members excusing themselves early or opting out completely just like one might do based on the agenda for any one of the RCAS meetings. I've got thick skin and hard toes. No problems there. Also, I think Liberace is a great artist! I would be there.
      So, NOT 3 to 4 hours of Zappa; my hope however is the program would still be called "Frank Zappa, the Music and the Man" I will throw in lots of stuff from his musical influences such as Varese, Stravinsky, Johnny Guitar Watson, and some of his collaborators such as The Chieftains, The Ensemble Modern, etc. (Might also decide to add some of the artists who have been influenced by him; not sure yet) If you can provide the lion’s share of a sufficiently high quality system to go with the amp and DAC I could add the turntable I may need for the session, and I could acquire the transportation, carts,  moving paraphanalia, for getting it to the venue, and back to your place safely if needed. Please let me know.
      ----Matt
       
       
      From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:49 PM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity
       
      Matt:
       
      OK, I am starting to understand a bit better what you are proposing.  However, I would add two caveats:  first, although the focus is on the music, I think most/all of the RCAS members are used to listening to their music on a high quality system, so even though it may not be their system or even a “state of the art” system, it should be of sufficiently high quality to allow the quality of the music (good or bad) to come through; secondly, although we each have our favorites when it comes to a certain artist, I doubt that the other members would want to listen to three or four hours of my favorite artist alone.  I hope I didn’t step on your toes, Matt, as that certainly is not my intent to offend anyone, but I just feel that for a meeting with members representing a wide variety of tastes in music, we may need to vary the content enough to suit the majority of the members attending.  Or I could just bring my collection of Liberace songs, because I know EVERYONE loves his music!  LOL
      Also, I would be more than happy to bring any equipment you may need:  I can bring my NAD power amp or NAD integrated amp or one of my DAC’s or even my laptop full of music, including quite a few high rez downloads which is what we used at Ulises house a few weekends ago.
      Let me know if I can help in any way!
       
      Don
       
      From: Matt
      Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:42 PM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity
       
       
      Don,
      I would love to have one of those types of critical listening sessions, however a session in which a system is tweaked the way you describe may not be possible due to time restrictions and venue limitations. Not to say someone couldn't pick up the ball and run with it. I guess the scenario you describe of playing music on a very high quality system to evaluate the music itself, subject to the limitations of that system comes closest to what we are trying to do  ----
       
      With some variations -- I would not describe the system I am proposing for my session as a very high quality system. However, my hope is it is a system that fits together well and will provide a good listening experience and do justice to the focus of the meeting which will be the music of Frank Zappa.
      My apologies for possible misperceptions regarding the use of the word "critical". While the word has some rigid connotations I am actually using it loosely. Real critical listening sessions like the ones you are describing are out of my league. That does not mean I would not love to have some. I just am not the guy to conduct at that particular one. My hope for the critical listening session I would conduct (if it gets off the ground) is for a less rigid, or “critical” bent. My hope is the fun and relaxed atmosphere that has been an important part of what makes the RCAS meetings so great should carry over into a critical listening session, with a few obvious guidelines set down regarding the need for equipment that would be a good fit.
      I am proposing to focus on the music for the meeting rather than the equipment, although the equipment should be an important component of the session. Absolutely
      From: Don Disbennett <ddisbennett@...>
      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:37 PM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity
       
      Hi, Matt:
      I am a bit confused about your use of the term “critical listening” to describe the proposed meeting of the RCAS next month.  Normally, when I use the term, I am referring to listening carefully to a piece of high quality music (wide dynamic range, low noise, little or no compression, etc.) with which I am very familiar over a system in which I have made some change which I am trying to evaluate.  It could be a change to an amplifier, speakers, DAC, turntable or even a tweak such as new cables, new position of the speakers, or interconnects.  I then listen to see if the change in the part of the system I am evaluating produces better sound, more detail, wider frequency range, lower noise floor or any other variable related to the reproduction of this piece of music for better or worse.  This is opposed to just listening to a variety of music over the same system, such as we usually do at the end of our RCAS meetings.  Everyone is invited to bring some of their music and play it on the system we have been using during the meeting.  On the other hand, it one wishes to evaluate the quality of a particular piece of music, it is played on a very high quality system to evaluate the music itself, subject to the limitations of that system.  I guess what I am saying is that from your description of the setup thus far, I am not sure which of the above scenarios (or something different entirely) we are trying to do at the proposed meeting.
      Sorry if I am missing something!
       
      Don
       
      From: Matt
      Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:20 AM
      Subject: Re: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity
       
       
      Steve, Alan, Pierre:
      Following up on the idea of a critical listening session meeting. Your input, concerns, and questions, and requests for clarification are requested ----
      If all pans out, what say you about doing a listening session late in March (30th)? I have offered to Bob to be the guinea pig and conduct the maident voyage session if we get that far.
      There are logistical items that need to be worked out, however my hope is having it in late march will allow enough time for that.
      Due to the equipment I want to use in my session the family room at Bjorns has its problems. Also getting the equipment to the venue will require planning on my part for the March session. (or on the part of the presenter at future sessions)
      At the risk of putting the cart before the horse allow me to give you a list of what I hope to bring to the meeting in late March if we snag the venue. (Venue details forthcoming)
      Please let me know if you have any concerns, questions or suggestions:
      Five custom built component stands
      power cords
      Wire world RCA interconnects
      Jolida integrated tube amp
      Rega turntable
      Rega CD player
      Pair of Klipsch subwoofers (KSW200s)
      Pair of tower Klipsch Speaker (KLF-20s)
      Odds and ends like an 8-outlet audiophile grade power strip & power conditioner
       My music program (for the critical listening part) would be -- Frank Zappa the music and the Man Session program and outline forthcoming. My hope is this would be a fun and informative session and a great reason to have a meeting in March.
      Again your input, concerns, questions, and requests for clarification are needed and welcome.
      From: stevenzaiontz <szaiontz@...>
      To: rivercityaudiosociety@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:34 AM
      Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity
       
      Great idea, Matt. Looking forward to it. -Steven --- In mailto:rivercityaudiosociety%40yahoogroups.com, Alan Hendler wrote: > > I would happy to do it. Both the music > and a system > Alan > > > > > > ________________________________ > From:pierrema333 > To:mailto:rivercityaudiosociety%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, February 12, 2013 9:39:16 PM > Subject: [rivercityaudiosociety] Re: Proposal for possible meeting activity > > > Hi. Excellent idea. I am very interested. > > Count on me. > > Pierre Martinez. > > --- In mailto:rivercityaudiosociety%40yahoogroups.com, "thudeets" wrote: > > > > Would any RCAS members be interested in doing critical listening sessions in a > >meeting? Each member who wanted to take a turn could put together a critical > >listening session comprised of their favorite performing artist, genre, > >composter, etc. It could be up to four hours long. This would give everyone the > >opportunity to hear music that they may not otherwise have been exposed to; and > >they could also learn about what music other members like, and they might find a >
      >new favorite artist. Plus those who are presenting might find it
      particularly > >enjoyable sharing music they find interesting with the group. > > > > > > Bringing in a good audio system would have its benefits. All the components > >would have to be a good fit in order to get the most out of this type of > >activity. > > > > >
      > Would anyone else be willing to try out a critical listening session? Would > >anyone be willing to bring in the components for a good system and
      participate? > > > > ---Matt > > >


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