RE: [revelation-list] Re: Adamsen's dissertation
- Does Georg's dissertation deal with the two witnesses of Revelation 11?
Ian R. Brown
PhD in Religion Candidate
[mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of George F Somsel
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [revelation-list] Re: Adamsen's dissertation [was: tanislas
Giet commentary on Revelation]
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:56:47 +0300 Marko Jauhiainen
> On 03.04.2006 21:38, ottoerlend wrote:
> >> Anyone know where Adamsen's dissertation "Parousia and
> Paraenesis" can be
> >> obtained?
> > Hopefully, this dissertation will be published. It's a 'good
> read'! But for those of us who
> > just cannot wait... Well, another possibility would be through
> inter-library loan. A quick
> > search revealed that there are copies of his dissertation at
> university libraries in Denmark,
> > Norway and Sweden. Thus, it should be obtainable.
> Of course, there is a copy at Tyndale House (Cambridge, UK), too,
> you'd have to go there to read it :-)
That almost goes without saying since you mention it in your dissertation
which I am in the process of reading.
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- On 03.04.2006 22:08, George F Somsel wrote:
> That almost goes without saying since you mention it in your dissertationYou have been working on Revelation for some time now, haven't you? Are
> which I am in the process of reading.
you writing a commentary or a monograph on Rev, perhaps?
- On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 13:18:19 +0300 Marko Jauhiainen
> On 03.04.2006 22:08, George F Somsel wrote:
> > That almost goes without saying since you mention it in your
> > which I am in the process of reading.
> You have been working on Revelation for some time now, haven't you?
> you writing a commentary or a monograph on Rev, perhaps?
A commentary. I can assure you that my conclusions are quite different
from almost any other I have seen. For one thing, I see absolutely no
recapitulations. Secondly, I see a reference to the flood in caps 4-6
with the Heilsgeschichte beginning in cap 7. Thirdly, there are
"avatars" of Jesus Christ represented in the visions: "A mighty angel"
in cap 10 and Michael in cap 12. There is a Holy Trinity represented in
"the one seated upon the throne", the slain yet living Lamb, and the
seven spirits. There is also a demonic trinity in the dragon, the beast
from the sea, and the beast from the land. There is similarly a mockery
of the Jewish practice of wearing tephillin in cap 13 (wrong hand). In
cap 14 we see in the reaping of the earth and the treading of the
winepress of the wrath of God an account of the destruction of Jerusalem
(note the extent of the blood which would cover the entire land of
Palestine). The New Jerusalem is ever "coming down from God out of
Heaven" but never residing on earth. I think the closest resemblance to
my view would be that of Augustine in City of God. I don't know why
commentator after commentator persists in "outlining" the Apocalypse
based on various other factors when caps 4 ff clearly are structured on
the basis of the opening of the seals and the account of what then
occurs. BTW: There is no Millenium mentioned in the Apocalypse. The
1000 yrs is based on Is 65.20 and apocryphal literature such as Barnabas
15 and Jubilees 23.26-29.
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- Does anyone on the list know how I can contact Seth Turner who recently
wrote a dissertation on Rev 11:1-13 at Oxford?
Ian R. Brown
Ph.D. in Religion Candidate
- You could try asking his supervisor, Prof Chris Rowland
On 8 Apr 2006, at 00:30, Ian R. Brown wrote:
> Does anyone on the list know how I can contact Seth Turner who recently
> wrote a dissertation on Rev 11:1-13 at Oxford?
> Ian R. Brown
> Ph.D. in Religion Candidate
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