RE: [revelation-list] Dating question
- All my materials are in storage. My Vespasian comment in essence is this. I think the dating of the book lies in ch 17. (with the 7 kings) I believe the one who is to come for a little while was Titus, who reigned very shortly. The 8th was Domitian. If the 8th was Domitian, he was the beast who WAS NOT in 17.11. Which, of course, means he was not on the throne yet when John wrote the book.
The apocalypse, dated in this way, was written ABOUT things during Domitian's reign, but not written DURING his reign. It seems to me that I have heard arguments about things going on in the book that someone says match things during the reign of Domitian. Then it is assumed that is when John compiled the book.
I am sorry I cannot go into more detail on this, but allmy resources are out of reach for now. Someone else may be able to take this further.
From: Greg Clarke [mailto:gclarke@...]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [revelation-list] Dating question
Thanks to Kenneth, Ian, Kym, Doug and Don.
Kenneth, I know your material (which I read in the enormous PDF download
format!) and found very helpful your deflation of the significance of
Irenaeus's statement. I shall have to read Kym and Don; and I'm very
interested in Doug's Vespasian comment, which I'll pursue.
But I am trying to see how strong the argument AGAINST Domitian dating is.
Kenneth's material is strong in suggesting the possibility that the Domitian
dating has been a mistake made by a string of Church Fathers, or that it is
possible to reinterpret their statements such that they are not defending
the Domitian date.
But this seems to be to be a different question to the one: "Is there any
external evidence that it was not written under Domitian?"
The strongest thus far would seem to me to be the fact that the Apostle John
was unlikely to pull off such a feat while in his nineties. But this is a
social thesis which doesn't really take grip.
Here's a question for us: what kind of external evidence are we likely to
find that would refute the Domitian date?
Thanks very much for your interest
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