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Re: [revelation-list] Re: Apostolic Interpretation

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  • George F Somsel
    No, it has nothing to do with solving my own Scripture it is simply 2 Pet 1.20 which states that no scripture is subject to one s own interpretation.  This
    Message 1 of 43 , Jan 14, 2011
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      No, it has nothing to do with "solving my own Scripture" it is simply 2 Pet 1.20
      which states that no scripture is subject to one's own interpretation.  This
      would particularly strike at the post-modern view that there can be different
      understandings of a passage for different groups.

       george
      gfsomsel


      … search for truth, hear truth,
      learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
      defend the truth till death.


      - Jan Hus
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      From: e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n <rocsy@...>
      To: revelation-list@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 2:03:39 PM
      Subject: [revelation-list] Re: Apostolic Interpretation

       


      I apologize for my ignorance of Greek. Here is what I get when I translate to
      English.

      At any rate the latter from the glory of his Apokal?pseos John id?an krat?nein
      ypolipsin

      Knowing the first place so that any prediction of solving my own Scripture is ·

      --- In revelation-list@yahoogroups.com, George F Somsel <gfsomsel@...> wrote:
      >
      > If you can't read what I sent then you need to adjust the settings in your
      > browser to show UTF-8 characters.  When I send Greek or Hebrew in any other
      > forum it comes through just fine.  My copy of the post which was returned to
      >me
      >
      > also displayed accurately.
      >  george
      > gfsomsel
      >
      >
      > … search for truth, hear truth,
      > learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
      > defend the truth till death.
      >
      >
      > - Jan Hus
      > _________
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n <rocsy@...>
      > To: revelation-list@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 12:47:53 PM
      > Subject: [revelation-list] Re: Apostolic Interpretation
      >
      >  
      >
      >
      > It comes out like this on my screen.
      >
      > >
      > > δόξαÃ�‚ γοῦν οá½â€"Ã�„οÃ�‚
      >á¼�κ �„ῆ�‚
      >Ἀ�€Î¿ÎºÎ±Î»á½»�ˆÎµ�‰�‚
      >
      > >Ἰ�‰á½±Î½Î½Î¿�… �„ὴν ἰδίαν
      >κ��α�„ύνειν á½`�€á½¹Î»Î·�ˆÎ¹Î½
      > > DOCAS GOUN hOUTOS EK THS APOKALUYEWS IWANNOU THN IDIAN KRATUNEIN hUPOLHYIN
      > >  
      > > This is most likely referencing 1 Pt 1.20
      > >  
      > > 20�„οῦ�„ο �€��ῶ�„ον
      >γινÃ�ŽÃ�Æ'κονÃ�„εÃ�‚ á½…Ã�„ι
      >Ã�€á¾¶Ã�Æ'α
      >
      > >�€��ο�†Î·�„εία γ��α�†á¿†�‚
      >ἰδίαÃ�‚ �Ã�€Î¹Î»Ã��Ã�Æ'εÃ�‰Ã�‚ ο�
      >
      > >γίνε�„αι·
      > >
      > > 20 TOUTO PRWTON GINWSKONTES hOTI PASA PROFHTEIA GRAFHS IDIAS EPILUSEWS OU
      > > GINETAI.
      > >  george
      > > gfsomsel
      >
      > That's okay since I'm not a Greek scholar. Is it different than my English
      > version?
      >
      > Thanks,
      >
      > Alan Fuller
      >
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    • George F Somsel
      You must also remember that this would have been read more than once so there would be opportunities to pick up further details later.  george gfsomsel …
      Message 43 of 43 , Jan 15, 2011
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        You must also remember that this would have been read more than once so there
        would be opportunities to pick up further details later.

         george
        gfsomsel


        … search for truth, hear truth,
        learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
        defend the truth till death.


        - Jan Hus
        _________




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        From: Jon Newton <jonknewton@...>
        To: revelation-list@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 4:05:32 PM
        Subject: Re: [revelation-list] Apostolic Interpretation

         
        Thanks for those comments George

        I fully agree about the intended audience which is clearly stated in Rev.1

        I also fully agree about the centrality of Jesus is the text, which seemed to be
        Alan's key thought too.

        Not sure about your comments about the details and speed reading. While I'm sure
        each detail is by no means random, the original audience would have been
        hearing, not reading, the text. This helps explain the sevens and other
        structural features in Revelation. But it makes it unlikely they could
        concentrate on the intricate detail of each stage of the revelation.

        Jon

        (Pastor) Jon Newton

        --- On Sun, 16/1/11, George F Somsel <gfsomsel@...> wrote:

        From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel@...>
        Subject: Re: [revelation-list] Apostolic Interpretation
        To: revelation-list@yahoogroups.com
        Received: Sunday, 16 January, 2011, 3:31 AM

         

        I really don't know why we should discuss either Constantine or Justinian or any


        other figure subsequent to the penning of the Apocalypse.  It was not written

        primarily for a later age.  It was written for those to whom the book was

        delivered by the author's courier in his circuit around the loop which

        constituted the diocese of the author of the Apocalypse.  It was meant to be

        understood by them -- one must accept that it would have been compreshensible to


        them with their knowledge of the OT and the apocalyptic literature as well as

        the intimate knowledge they would have of their own age.  This was not something


        which would only become clear years and centuries or even millenia thereafter. 

        It was a message to the bishop's parishoners.  It is only a message to us today

        in the sense that they still convey the same vital message which was set to

        "paper" when it was written just as Paul's letters were primarily letters to

        living and breathing people of the time in which he lived.  They are still

        meaningful and even vitally significant to us today, but we understand them much


        less easily than the original recipients would have.

         george

        gfsomsel

        … search for truth, hear truth,

        learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,

        defend the truth till death.

        - Jan Hus

        _________

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        From: asteresplanetai <asteresplanetai@...>

        To: revelation-list@yahoogroups.com

        Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 6:27:46 AM

        Subject: Re: [revelation-list] Apostolic Interpretation

         

        +++

        > Posted by: "e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n" rocsy@... e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n

        > In the fourth century the Roman emperor Constantine made

        > Christianity the religion of the Roman Empire.

        Just a minor correction, although it may color the way one sees some

        things: Constantine did *not* make Christianity the religion of the

        Roman Empire. Constantine made Christianity *legal*-- that is, he

        stopped the persecutions-- by the Edict of Milan, and he certainly

        encouraged it-- but it was Justinian who made it officially 'the

        religion of the Roman Empire', about 2 centuries later.

        And as usual, it's good to keep in mind that 200 years back then were

        the same as 200 years today. From Constantine to Justinian would be

        the same length of time as between, say, Thomas Jefferson and Barack

        Obama.

        kind regards,

        John burnett.

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