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Re: [revelation-list] Re: Origin of Chiliasm

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  • Jon Newton
    I m not sure it s as obvious as that Looking at Jewish writings pre-Revelation, the world week is one strand but the idea of a preliminary reign of messiah
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      I'm not sure it's as "obvious" as that

      Looking at Jewish writings pre-Revelation, the world week is one strand but the idea of a preliminary reign of messiah before the final end and the theme in Jubilees of 1000 years as a human lifespan are all feeding into it

      (Pastor) Jon Newton


      --- On Sun, 30/5/10, George F Somsel <gfsomsel@...> wrote:

      From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel@...>
      Subject: Re: [revelation-list] Re: Origin of Chiliasm
      To: revelation-list@yahoogroups.com
      Received: Sunday, 30 May, 2010, 8:17 AM







       









      Of course, ultimately the concept of chiliasm goes back to the "world week" in which the world is to last 7 days of 1000 years each.

       george

      gfsomsel



      … search for truth, hear truth,

      learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,

      defend the truth till death.



      - Jan Hus

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      From: e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n <rocsy@...>

      To: revelation-list@yahoogroups.com

      Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 12:38:37 PM

      Subject: [revelation-list] Re: Origin of Chiliasm



       



      And rightly so Jan!



      I will also mention that Jubilees chapter 23 and 1:26-29 may be associated with the temporary messianic reign. I think that might be given in an article I mentioned in an earlier post.



      J. W. Bailey, "The Temporary Messianic Reign in the Literature of Early Judaism," Journal of Biblical Literature, 53,.2 (1934): 170-187



      What is interesting to me is that Justin relates the life of Adam to a millennial reign, while Irenaeus thinks of it in terms of the life of Christ. That reminds me of Papias' assertion that the earliest expositors in Alexandria agreed that the creation week was an allegory of the life of Christ. That is the structure I see in Revelation, and the argument I put forward in my book.



      Alan Fuller

      http://www.lulu.com/arfuller



      --- In revelation-list@yahoogroups.com, George F Somsel <gfsomsel@...> wrote:

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      > Incidentally, perhaps I shouldn't think things are too obvious, but I was struck by the similarity between the Papias quotation and that of 2 Baruch.

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      >  george

      > gfsomsel

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      > … search for truth, hear truth,

      > learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,

      > defend the truth till death.

      >

      >

      > - Jan Hus

      > _________

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