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  • Walden Mathews
    I meant to forward this to the group, not just Mark, sorry. Walden ... From: Walden Mathews To: Mark Baker Sent:
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      I meant to forward this to the group, not just Mark,
      sorry.

      Walden

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Walden Mathews" <waldenm@...>
      To: "Mark Baker" <distobj@...>
      Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:13 PM
      Subject: Re: [rest-discuss] Roles


      : I'd say that's a good guess, and I'd say there's also some
      : interpretational buffering going on as well. In my read of those
      : sections of the dissertation, there is no expressed intent w/r/t
      : making roles clearer than they might otherwise be. On the
      : contrary, the idea is that REST abstracts away from
      : particular implementation details, and so ends up discussing
      : roles, not implementations.
      :
      : In summary, I think the "clear assignment of roles to parties"
      : in the Web Architecture doc is not a pure extraction from REST,
      : and maybe should be removed or modified.
      :
      : Walden
      :
      : ----- Original Message -----
      : From: "Mark Baker" <distobj@...>
      : To: "Walden Mathews" <waldenm@...>
      : Cc: "Gustaf Liljegren" <gustaf.liljegren@...>;
      : <rest-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
      : Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 10:39 AM
      : Subject: Re: [rest-discuss] Roles
      :
      :
      : : I figured that Ian probably got it from;
      : :
      : :
      :
      http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/pubs/dissertation/rest_arch_style.htm#sec_5_2
      : :
      : : and
      : :
      : :
      :
      http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/pubs/dissertation/rest_arch_style.htm#sec_5_2_3
      : :
      : : Mark.
      : :
      : : On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 10:20:18AM -0500, Walden Mathews wrote:
      : : > Yes, it really could be clearer. I don't remember REST
      : : > constraining roles beyond the level of "client" and "server",
      : : > and even those are temporal assignments.
      : : >
      : : > I would be interesting to know where they got that.
      : : >
      : : > Walden
      : : >
      : : > ----- Original Message -----
      : : > From: "Mark Baker" <distobj@...>
      : : > To: "Gustaf Liljegren" <gustaf.liljegren@...>
      : : > Cc: <rest-discuss@yahoogroups.com>
      : : > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 8:55 AM
      : : > Subject: Re: [rest-discuss] Roles
      : : >
      : : >
      : : > : It presumably refers to the roles of components, but it could be
      : : > : clearer; "party" could also refer to the authority under which
      : : > : a component acts.
      : : > :
      : : > : Mark.
      : : > :
      : : > : On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 02:39:56AM +0100, Gustaf Liljegren wrote:
      : : > : > A short question. In W3C's "Architecture of the World Wide Web"
      : document
      : : > : > [1], REST has been distilled into the following items:
      : : > : >
      : : > : > - statelessness
      : : > : > - clear assignment of roles to parties
      : : > : > - uniform address space
      : : > : > - limited, uniform set of verbs
      : : > : >
      : : > : > I understand all of these, except number two. What are "roles" and
      : : > : > "parties" in the REST context?
      : : > : >
      : : > : > Thanks,
      : : > : >
      : : > : > Gustaf
      : : > :
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