11423Re: [whatwg] Proposing URI Templates for WebForms 2.0
- Nov 1, 2008On 01/11/2008, at 6:44 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
> Mark Nottingham>> This is good and I agree that in a perfect world,Because you're not introducing your idea to a new proposal that will
> flexibility would have been designed in from the start. However, to
> put them
> into the mix while the machine is running is a bit more complex;
> there needs
> to be something more compelling (there's that word again) to drive
> Can you help me understand the comment on why "putting them into the
> while the machine is running is a bit more complex?" I guess I don't
> understand either "while the machine is running" part and why it is
> complex. What about it is more complex.
succeed or fail on its own merits; you're trying to get it into one of
the most widely-used formats in the world. As such, the barrier to
entry is higher; it has to be, or every idea that seems to be good
would get in, and HTML5 would be even more incomprehensible than it is
> Mark Nottingham>> If you can find cases where someone can reuse thatSorry, but no. Each of those, as Ian says, can be implemented with a
> template in an unintended way -- e.g., a search engine, a client doing
> automated things, a non-traditional browser, an intermediary -- I
> think it'd
> go a long way towards this.
> Hopefully the 3 examples I gave in my ealier email presents relevent
very simple server-side script. Yes, it's true that this requires
somebody to write the script, but I don't think that's a big enough
win to justify new core syntax in HTML if there isn't a constituency
for it beating down the door.
To be clear, I'm somewhat playing devils' advocate here; I don't have
any particular problem per se with your proposal, it's just that I'm
wary of putting things into standards unless we're sure we need them.
I don't (yet) hear people beating down Ian's door to include this, so
it makes me suspicious.
OTOH I just saw a message from Paul P go by, so maybe this little
dialogue will help whip up the masses.
> Mark Nottingham>> And, if you can come up with those cases, why notI'm not the person to ask that, but frankly if you want the
> it as an extension (since it needs to be largely backwards-compatible
> What exactly is an HTML5 extension? Can you provide a link that
> this? I can't comment as to if it would be an acceptable substitute
> until I
> know more...
> Mark Nottingham>> If it takes off, you can have the satisfaction of
> it incorporated into HTML6...
> Please PLEASE don't make us wait until 2032 or so for this! ;-)
functionality, go ahead and write the software, publish the site,
release the browser plug-in; the standards will follow if the minds do.
Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/
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