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  • vegaf57@hotmail.com
    dear bro. Howard im afraid u have the wrong person, my name name is Frank not Sidney n I have neved contacted u. Blessings dear brother Sent from my LG phone
    Message 1 of 113 , May 3, 2011
      dear bro. Howard im afraid u have the wrong person, my name name is Frank not Sidney n I have neved contacted u. Blessings dear brother
      Sent from my LG phone

      Howard Nylander <uziyah@...> wrote:

      >Shalom Brother Sidney,
      >
      >This is at least the third time we've been through this. May I again suggest you
      >examine the Paleo-Hebrew from which the Greek was translated. What is it that
      >keeps you from exploring these possibilities? This is a question you alone must
      >answer.
      >
      >Most Respectfully, ....  howard
      >
      >

      >
      >
      >
      >________________________________
      >From: Sidney Jones <sidney.jones@...>
      >To: reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com
      >Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 12:01:46 PM
      >Subject: Re: [reluctant-messenger] Re: Jesus Speaks...
      >

      >Shalom Brother Howard:
      >
      >You ask -
      >
      >"How does this thought not totally agree with what brother Thomas has been
      >sharing?"
      >
      >Here's how -
      >
      >Y'all seem to be confusing the Greek word 'heautou' with the Greek word
      >'ego'.
      >There is no total agreement among them. Different words, different
      >meanings.
      >Yeshua never said that we should deny ego. You seem to infer that I am
      >trying to preserve and strengthen the *illusions* of ego. No, just the
      >unadulterated
      >ego - the one claimed by Yeshua to be one with the Father.
      >
      >"εγω και πατηρ εν εσμεν."
      >"I and father - one we are"
      >John 10:30
      >
      >I am constantly being amazed in witnessing to what extent creative people
      >will
      >go to to keep from having to address their Higher Self and Truth. The
      >illusions
      >of ego hold great power in creating comfort zones for our desires. But the
      >murder of ego is the wrong response. Fortunately, it's been made murder
      >proof.
      >
      >Regards,
      >
      >Sid
      >
      >On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Howard Nylander <uziyah@...> wrote:
      >
      >>
      >>
      >> Peace Brother Stephen and Forum Family,
      >>
      >> In addition to what Dr. Boston has presented, we find Yeshua saying, "If
      >> anyone
      >> intends to come after Me, let him deny himself [forget, ignore, disown and
      >> lose
      >> sight of himself and his own interests] and take up HIS cross and and
      >> follow
      >> me." (Mark 8:34 <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Mark%208.34>,
      >> Amplified Bible)
      >>
      >> How does this thought not totally agree with what brother Thomas has been
      >> sharing? They are both sharing the same simple thought of the transition
      >> from
      >> egoic mind-set, to the 'centered in love' mind-set of non-ego, ....from "my
      >> will
      >> be done" to that of "not my will, but Thy Will be done". In short, we must
      >> die
      >> to egoic, lower self to become fully aware even as Master Teacher Yeshua,
      >> Brother Thomas and a few wise others have shared. This will be experienced
      >> in as
      >> many ways as there are souls to express.
      >>
      >> One great mystery, that remains in my life, is why are there so many who
      >> choose
      >> not to understand what is plainly presented as the Truth and why, ...in
      >> favor of
      >> stories told to them by others. The sooner they are able to redirect their
      >> fixation on the messenger to that of the message, the sooner they might be
      >> able
      >> to receive the Divine intended.
      >>
      >> I am constantly being amazed in witnessing to what extent creative people
      >> will
      >> go to to keep from having to address their Higher Self and Truth. The
      >> illusions
      >> of ego hold great power in creating comfort zones for our desires. Love is
      >> the
      >> greatest Power of All. "Love never fails, ...whether there be prophecies,
      >> languages and knowledge which disappear, love never fails ". (I Cor.
      >>13:8<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/I%20Cor.%2013.8>
      >> Amplified paraphrased)
      >>
      >> "Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels, and have not love, I am
      >>
      >> become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal". (I Cor.
      >>13:1<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/I%20Cor.%2013.1>
      >> KJV)
      >>
      >> Namaste', .... howard
      >>
      >> ________________________________
      >> From: Etsaman Samoht <zen_rascal_o@...>
      >>
      >> To: reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com
      >> Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 4:17:00 AM
      >> Subject: [reluctant-messenger] Re: Jesus Speaks...
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> "He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for
      >> My
      >> sake will find it." - Matthew
      >>10:39<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Matthew%2010.39>
      >>
      >> Matthew 16:25 <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Matthew%2016.25> (New
      >> International Version, ©2011)
      >> 25 For whoever wants to save their life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses
      >> their
      >> life for me will find it.
      >>
      >> Jesus said, "Whosoever tries to save his life, shall lose it; but whosoever
      >>
      >> shall be willing to lose his life for My sake, and the gospel, the same
      >> shall
      >> find it." Mark 8:37,38 <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Mark%208.37,38>
      >> .
      >>
      >> This is close enough to what Thomas was talking about to conclude you have
      >> to
      >> die to live and if you try to keep your life you lose it....
      >>
      >> kill the ego and live forever dude
      >>
      >> --- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, Sidney Jones <sidney.jones@...>
      >>
      >> wrote:
      >> >
      >> > Shalom Roy:
      >> >
      >> > I would be more than happy to give Stephen a chance, as you say, but to
      >> be
      >> > honest
      >> > I was under the impression that he is the owner of this forum and the
      >> source
      >> > of all
      >> > chance - even the chance to misquote Jesus if he so desires. Surely you
      >> > know that
      >> > I have no power whatsoever to prevent such blurts. I'm surprised that you
      >> > feel the
      >> > need to protect him. I see him as a rather self sufficient author - not
      >> > needy at all.
      >> > I doubt that he is fearful of little 'ole me. Have you read his book?
      >> It's
      >> > quite good.
      >> >
      >> > Is "Damnation" intended to be a swear word?
      >> >
      >> > Regards,
      >> >
      >> > Sid
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > .
      >> >
      >> > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Roy Shane Bates <shanea8@...> wrote:
      >> >
      >> > >
      >> > >
      >> > > Damnation Sidney!!!.....Give the boy a chance...lol!!!..Don’t be so
      >> harsh
      >> > > on Him..Give Him a chance.
      >> > >
      >> > > From: Sidney Jones
      >> > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 10:25 PM
      >> > >
      >> > > To: reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com
      >> > > Subject: Re: [reluctant-messenger] Re: Jesus Speaks...
      >> > >
      >> > >
      >> > > Shalom Stephen:
      >> > >
      >> > > I am prepared to discuss the Bible from the extant manuscripts,
      >> > > whether Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek. But surely you know that
      >> > > Yeshua's words about dying can only be quoted either from Greek
      >> > > or Coptic. There are no extant manuscripts in Aramaic which have
      >> > > not been translated from the Greek. That's true whether or not we
      >> > > are talking about Biblical or extra-Biblical sources. *Show me* in
      >> > > Greek where Yeshua ever said "you must die". *Show me* a single
      >> > > verse where the Greek word "εγω" is denigrated by Yeshua.
      >> > > You are making-up all this ego abatement based on ignorance of
      >> > > the proper meaning of the word "εγω", a word which has had a
      >> > > stable meaning since before Biblical times. Hint - it's not a dirty
      >> > > word. While it's plenty OK as free speaking Americans to offer any
      >> > > mere opinions that pleases our imaginations, misquoting somebody
      >> > > is clearly not information, it's disinformation.
      >> > >
      >> > > Regards,
      >> > >
      >> > > Sid
      >> > >
      >> > > .
      >> > >
      >> > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 2:09 PM, reluctant_messenger <
      >> > > mailto:chester%40reluctant-messenger.com> wrote:
      >> > >
      >> > > >
      >> > > >
      >> > > > Well since Jesus' real name was Yeshua and he spoke Aramaric, neither
      >> can
      >> > > > claim to know what Jesus said. You have to die to be born again is
      >> true.
      >> > > I
      >> > > > died while alive. Stephen Boston's ego died and was replaced by an
      >> > > > amaglamation of all of the personalities that have ever incarnated in
      >> his
      >> > > > life line. This process is very difficult to go through, and had I
      >> not
      >> > > > wanted it, expected it and did all I could to bring it about - I
      >> would
      >> > > still
      >> > > > have the temporary ego associated with this body. By removing the
      >> > > impediment
      >> > > > to my true divinity I have access to infinite power and grace.
      >> > > >
      >> > > > I can say with confidence and personal experience... "you must DIE to
      >> be
      >> > > > Born again." if Jesus didn't say then I do.... SB -w-(o,O)-w-
      >> > > >
      >> > > > To educate yourself I recommend you read
      >> > > > Original Christianity: A New Key to Understanding the Gospel of
      >> Thomas
      >> > > and
      >> > > > Other Lost Scriptures
      >> > > > http://reluctant-messenger.com/books.htm has an amazon link that
      >> gives
      >> > > the
      >> > > > RM a 4% payback.
      >> > > >
      >> > > >
      >> > > > --- In mailto:reluctant-messenger%40yahoogroups.com, Sidney Jones
      >> > > <sidney.jones@>
      >> > >
      >> > > > wrote:
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > > Shalom Thomas:
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > > You assert that Jesus said: "you must die to be born"
      >> > > > > There is a huge problem here. Jesus never said that, yet you
      >> > > > > boast that you have been reading the Bible for fifty years.
      >> > > > > You are incorrigible.
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > > Google this: "you must die to be born" Jesus
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > > Look into the mirror.
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > > Regards,
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > > Sid
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > > .
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM, zen_rascal_0 <tommeehan@> wrote:
      >> > > > >
      >> > > > > >
      >> > > > > >
      >> > > > > >
      >> > > > > >
      >> > > > > > --- In mailto:reluctant-messenger%40yahoogroups.com, Sidney
      >> Jones
      >> > >
      >> > > > <sidney.jones@>
      >> > > > > > wrote:
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > Shalom Thomas:
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > I'm not judging you, I'm trying to bring you to your senses.
      >> > > > > > > To the extent that you appeal to the Bible - there may be hope.
      >> > > > > > > I've admitted before that you say what you say for reasons.
      >> > > > > > > I hope, for your sake, those reasons lead to a constructive
      >> end.
      >> > > > > > > Whether or not you are persuaded is not my goal. But having
      >> > > > > > > been forewarned you may not hide behind the veil of ignorance,
      >> > > > > > > because you have just gained one more measure of
      >> accountability.
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > It is telling that you refer to the popular dispensation of
      >> Jesus'
      >> > > > first
      >> > > > > > > point in Matthew chapter 7. The popular quote is conspicuously
      >> > > > > > > missing the meaning, the 'because', and when understood in view
      >> > > > > > > of the plethora of Biblical verses discussing the topic of
      >> > > judgement
      >> > > > > > > it becomes clear that this verse was never intended to prohibit
      >> > > > > > > judgment, but was intended to establish the importance of
      >> method.
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > Here is the next verse which should never be omitted:
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
      >> > > > > > > and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you
      >> again."
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > This is an instantiation of karma at work. Here are some other
      >> > > verses
      >> > > > > > > worth considering regarding the subject of judgment:
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > "The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue
      >> talketh
      >> > > > > > > of judgment." (Psalm
      >> >37:30<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%2037.30>
      >> > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%2037.30>
      >> > > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%2037.30>
      >> > > >
      >> > > > > > )
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > "With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth."
      >> > > > > > > (Psalm 119:13<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%20119.13><
      >> http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%20119.13><
      >> > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%20119.13> <
      >> > > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%20119.13>)
      >> > > >
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > "Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the
      >> poor
      >> > > > > > > and needy." (Proverba 31:9)
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > Jesus commended Simon, "Thou hast rightly judged."
      >> > > > > > > (Luke 7:43 <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Luke%207.43> <
      >> http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Luke%207.43> <
      >> > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Luke%207.43> <
      >> > > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Luke%207.43>)
      >> > > >
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > "Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the
      >> bloody
      >> > > > city?
      >> > > > > > > yea, thou shalt show her all her abominations."
      >> > > > > > > (Ezekiel 22:2<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Ezekiel%2022.2><
      >> http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Ezekiel%2022.2><
      >> > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Ezekiel%2022.2> <
      >> > > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Ezekiel%2022.2>)
      >> > > >
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is
      >> > > > judged of
      >> > > > > > no
      >> > > > > > > man."
      >> > > > > > > (1 Corinthians
      >> >2:15<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%202.15>
      >> > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%202.15>
      >> > > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%202.15>
      >> > > >
      >> > > > > > )
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if
      >> the
      >> > > > world
      >> > > > > > > shall be
      >> > > > > > > judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?"
      >> > > > > > > (1 Corinthians
      >> >6:2<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.2>
      >> > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.2>
      >> > > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.2>
      >> > > >
      >> > > > > > )
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > "Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things
      >> that
      >> > > > > > pertain
      >> > > > > > > to this life?"
      >> > > > > > > (1 Corinthians
      >> >6:3<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.3>
      >> > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.3>
      >> > > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.3>
      >> > > >
      >> > > > > > )
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > So, now you know. Here is my advice for you: Stop relying on
      >> the
      >> > > > > > > interpretations of others (even me). Read the Scriptures,
      >> meditate
      >> > > > > > > on them, then use you own brain to develop an appreciation of
      >> the
      >> > > > > > > underlying meaning. Think before you blurt.
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > Regards,
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > > Sid
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > >
      >> > > > > > I have spent more than fifty five years reading the Bible.. this
      >> is
      >> > > why
      >> > > > I
      >> > > > > > became a mystic.. as I could see that Jesus was a mystic with a
      >> > > deeper
      >> > > > > > teaching that was not taught in the Bible and not taught in the
      >> > > > Churches.. I
      >> > > > > > also heeded His advice, when He said;"you must die to be
      >> born"...He
      >> > > was
      >> > > > of
      >> > > > > > course speaking of the ego dying, so that You may be born in
      >> Reality
      >> > > > and
      >> > > > > > Truth... This is why I teach as I do.. I have found the Truth
      >> that
      >> > > > Jesus
      >> > > > > > taught and seek to share It.........namaste, thomas
      >> > > > > >
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    • vegaf57@hotmail.com
      dear bro. Howard im afraid u have the wrong person, my name name is Frank not Sidney n I have neved contacted u. Blessings dear brother Sent from my LG phone
      Message 113 of 113 , May 3, 2011
        dear bro. Howard im afraid u have the wrong person, my name name is Frank not Sidney n I have neved contacted u. Blessings dear brother
        Sent from my LG phone

        Howard Nylander <uziyah@...> wrote:

        >Shalom Brother Sidney,
        >
        >This is at least the third time we've been through this. May I again suggest you
        >examine the Paleo-Hebrew from which the Greek was translated. What is it that
        >keeps you from exploring these possibilities? This is a question you alone must
        >answer.
        >
        >Most Respectfully, ....  howard
        >
        >

        >
        >
        >
        >________________________________
        >From: Sidney Jones <sidney.jones@...>
        >To: reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com
        >Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 12:01:46 PM
        >Subject: Re: [reluctant-messenger] Re: Jesus Speaks...
        >

        >Shalom Brother Howard:
        >
        >You ask -
        >
        >"How does this thought not totally agree with what brother Thomas has been
        >sharing?"
        >
        >Here's how -
        >
        >Y'all seem to be confusing the Greek word 'heautou' with the Greek word
        >'ego'.
        >There is no total agreement among them. Different words, different
        >meanings.
        >Yeshua never said that we should deny ego. You seem to infer that I am
        >trying to preserve and strengthen the *illusions* of ego. No, just the
        >unadulterated
        >ego - the one claimed by Yeshua to be one with the Father.
        >
        >"εγω και πατηρ εν εσμεν."
        >"I and father - one we are"
        >John 10:30
        >
        >I am constantly being amazed in witnessing to what extent creative people
        >will
        >go to to keep from having to address their Higher Self and Truth. The
        >illusions
        >of ego hold great power in creating comfort zones for our desires. But the
        >murder of ego is the wrong response. Fortunately, it's been made murder
        >proof.
        >
        >Regards,
        >
        >Sid
        >
        >On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Howard Nylander <uziyah@...> wrote:
        >
        >>
        >>
        >> Peace Brother Stephen and Forum Family,
        >>
        >> In addition to what Dr. Boston has presented, we find Yeshua saying, "If
        >> anyone
        >> intends to come after Me, let him deny himself [forget, ignore, disown and
        >> lose
        >> sight of himself and his own interests] and take up HIS cross and and
        >> follow
        >> me." (Mark 8:34 <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Mark%208.34>,
        >> Amplified Bible)
        >>
        >> How does this thought not totally agree with what brother Thomas has been
        >> sharing? They are both sharing the same simple thought of the transition
        >> from
        >> egoic mind-set, to the 'centered in love' mind-set of non-ego, ....from "my
        >> will
        >> be done" to that of "not my will, but Thy Will be done". In short, we must
        >> die
        >> to egoic, lower self to become fully aware even as Master Teacher Yeshua,
        >> Brother Thomas and a few wise others have shared. This will be experienced
        >> in as
        >> many ways as there are souls to express.
        >>
        >> One great mystery, that remains in my life, is why are there so many who
        >> choose
        >> not to understand what is plainly presented as the Truth and why, ...in
        >> favor of
        >> stories told to them by others. The sooner they are able to redirect their
        >> fixation on the messenger to that of the message, the sooner they might be
        >> able
        >> to receive the Divine intended.
        >>
        >> I am constantly being amazed in witnessing to what extent creative people
        >> will
        >> go to to keep from having to address their Higher Self and Truth. The
        >> illusions
        >> of ego hold great power in creating comfort zones for our desires. Love is
        >> the
        >> greatest Power of All. "Love never fails, ...whether there be prophecies,
        >> languages and knowledge which disappear, love never fails ". (I Cor.
        >>13:8<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/I%20Cor.%2013.8>
        >> Amplified paraphrased)
        >>
        >> "Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels, and have not love, I am
        >>
        >> become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal". (I Cor.
        >>13:1<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/I%20Cor.%2013.1>
        >> KJV)
        >>
        >> Namaste', .... howard
        >>
        >> ________________________________
        >> From: Etsaman Samoht <zen_rascal_o@...>
        >>
        >> To: reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com
        >> Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 4:17:00 AM
        >> Subject: [reluctant-messenger] Re: Jesus Speaks...
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> "He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for
        >> My
        >> sake will find it." - Matthew
        >>10:39<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Matthew%2010.39>
        >>
        >> Matthew 16:25 <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Matthew%2016.25> (New
        >> International Version, ©2011)
        >> 25 For whoever wants to save their life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses
        >> their
        >> life for me will find it.
        >>
        >> Jesus said, "Whosoever tries to save his life, shall lose it; but whosoever
        >>
        >> shall be willing to lose his life for My sake, and the gospel, the same
        >> shall
        >> find it." Mark 8:37,38 <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Mark%208.37,38>
        >> .
        >>
        >> This is close enough to what Thomas was talking about to conclude you have
        >> to
        >> die to live and if you try to keep your life you lose it....
        >>
        >> kill the ego and live forever dude
        >>
        >> --- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, Sidney Jones <sidney.jones@...>
        >>
        >> wrote:
        >> >
        >> > Shalom Roy:
        >> >
        >> > I would be more than happy to give Stephen a chance, as you say, but to
        >> be
        >> > honest
        >> > I was under the impression that he is the owner of this forum and the
        >> source
        >> > of all
        >> > chance - even the chance to misquote Jesus if he so desires. Surely you
        >> > know that
        >> > I have no power whatsoever to prevent such blurts. I'm surprised that you
        >> > feel the
        >> > need to protect him. I see him as a rather self sufficient author - not
        >> > needy at all.
        >> > I doubt that he is fearful of little 'ole me. Have you read his book?
        >> It's
        >> > quite good.
        >> >
        >> > Is "Damnation" intended to be a swear word?
        >> >
        >> > Regards,
        >> >
        >> > Sid
        >> >
        >> >
        >> > .
        >> >
        >> > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Roy Shane Bates <shanea8@...> wrote:
        >> >
        >> > >
        >> > >
        >> > > Damnation Sidney!!!.....Give the boy a chance...lol!!!..Don’t be so
        >> harsh
        >> > > on Him..Give Him a chance.
        >> > >
        >> > > From: Sidney Jones
        >> > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 10:25 PM
        >> > >
        >> > > To: reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com
        >> > > Subject: Re: [reluctant-messenger] Re: Jesus Speaks...
        >> > >
        >> > >
        >> > > Shalom Stephen:
        >> > >
        >> > > I am prepared to discuss the Bible from the extant manuscripts,
        >> > > whether Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek. But surely you know that
        >> > > Yeshua's words about dying can only be quoted either from Greek
        >> > > or Coptic. There are no extant manuscripts in Aramaic which have
        >> > > not been translated from the Greek. That's true whether or not we
        >> > > are talking about Biblical or extra-Biblical sources. *Show me* in
        >> > > Greek where Yeshua ever said "you must die". *Show me* a single
        >> > > verse where the Greek word "εγω" is denigrated by Yeshua.
        >> > > You are making-up all this ego abatement based on ignorance of
        >> > > the proper meaning of the word "εγω", a word which has had a
        >> > > stable meaning since before Biblical times. Hint - it's not a dirty
        >> > > word. While it's plenty OK as free speaking Americans to offer any
        >> > > mere opinions that pleases our imaginations, misquoting somebody
        >> > > is clearly not information, it's disinformation.
        >> > >
        >> > > Regards,
        >> > >
        >> > > Sid
        >> > >
        >> > > .
        >> > >
        >> > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 2:09 PM, reluctant_messenger <
        >> > > mailto:chester%40reluctant-messenger.com> wrote:
        >> > >
        >> > > >
        >> > > >
        >> > > > Well since Jesus' real name was Yeshua and he spoke Aramaric, neither
        >> can
        >> > > > claim to know what Jesus said. You have to die to be born again is
        >> true.
        >> > > I
        >> > > > died while alive. Stephen Boston's ego died and was replaced by an
        >> > > > amaglamation of all of the personalities that have ever incarnated in
        >> his
        >> > > > life line. This process is very difficult to go through, and had I
        >> not
        >> > > > wanted it, expected it and did all I could to bring it about - I
        >> would
        >> > > still
        >> > > > have the temporary ego associated with this body. By removing the
        >> > > impediment
        >> > > > to my true divinity I have access to infinite power and grace.
        >> > > >
        >> > > > I can say with confidence and personal experience... "you must DIE to
        >> be
        >> > > > Born again." if Jesus didn't say then I do.... SB -w-(o,O)-w-
        >> > > >
        >> > > > To educate yourself I recommend you read
        >> > > > Original Christianity: A New Key to Understanding the Gospel of
        >> Thomas
        >> > > and
        >> > > > Other Lost Scriptures
        >> > > > http://reluctant-messenger.com/books.htm has an amazon link that
        >> gives
        >> > > the
        >> > > > RM a 4% payback.
        >> > > >
        >> > > >
        >> > > > --- In mailto:reluctant-messenger%40yahoogroups.com, Sidney Jones
        >> > > <sidney.jones@>
        >> > >
        >> > > > wrote:
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > Shalom Thomas:
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > You assert that Jesus said: "you must die to be born"
        >> > > > > There is a huge problem here. Jesus never said that, yet you
        >> > > > > boast that you have been reading the Bible for fifty years.
        >> > > > > You are incorrigible.
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > Google this: "you must die to be born" Jesus
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > Look into the mirror.
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > Regards,
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > Sid
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > .
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM, zen_rascal_0 <tommeehan@> wrote:
        >> > > > >
        >> > > > > >
        >> > > > > >
        >> > > > > >
        >> > > > > >
        >> > > > > > --- In mailto:reluctant-messenger%40yahoogroups.com, Sidney
        >> Jones
        >> > >
        >> > > > <sidney.jones@>
        >> > > > > > wrote:
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > Shalom Thomas:
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > I'm not judging you, I'm trying to bring you to your senses.
        >> > > > > > > To the extent that you appeal to the Bible - there may be hope.
        >> > > > > > > I've admitted before that you say what you say for reasons.
        >> > > > > > > I hope, for your sake, those reasons lead to a constructive
        >> end.
        >> > > > > > > Whether or not you are persuaded is not my goal. But having
        >> > > > > > > been forewarned you may not hide behind the veil of ignorance,
        >> > > > > > > because you have just gained one more measure of
        >> accountability.
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > It is telling that you refer to the popular dispensation of
        >> Jesus'
        >> > > > first
        >> > > > > > > point in Matthew chapter 7. The popular quote is conspicuously
        >> > > > > > > missing the meaning, the 'because', and when understood in view
        >> > > > > > > of the plethora of Biblical verses discussing the topic of
        >> > > judgement
        >> > > > > > > it becomes clear that this verse was never intended to prohibit
        >> > > > > > > judgment, but was intended to establish the importance of
        >> method.
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > Here is the next verse which should never be omitted:
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
        >> > > > > > > and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you
        >> again."
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > This is an instantiation of karma at work. Here are some other
        >> > > verses
        >> > > > > > > worth considering regarding the subject of judgment:
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > "The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue
        >> talketh
        >> > > > > > > of judgment." (Psalm
        >> >37:30<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%2037.30>
        >> > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%2037.30>
        >> > > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%2037.30>
        >> > > >
        >> > > > > > )
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > "With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth."
        >> > > > > > > (Psalm 119:13<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%20119.13><
        >> http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%20119.13><
        >> > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%20119.13> <
        >> > > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Psalm%20119.13>)
        >> > > >
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > "Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the
        >> poor
        >> > > > > > > and needy." (Proverba 31:9)
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > Jesus commended Simon, "Thou hast rightly judged."
        >> > > > > > > (Luke 7:43 <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Luke%207.43> <
        >> http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Luke%207.43> <
        >> > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Luke%207.43> <
        >> > > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Luke%207.43>)
        >> > > >
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > "Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the
        >> bloody
        >> > > > city?
        >> > > > > > > yea, thou shalt show her all her abominations."
        >> > > > > > > (Ezekiel 22:2<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Ezekiel%2022.2><
        >> http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Ezekiel%2022.2><
        >> > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Ezekiel%2022.2> <
        >> > > > http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/Ezekiel%2022.2>)
        >> > > >
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is
        >> > > > judged of
        >> > > > > > no
        >> > > > > > > man."
        >> > > > > > > (1 Corinthians
        >> >2:15<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%202.15>
        >> > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%202.15>
        >> > > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%202.15>
        >> > > >
        >> > > > > > )
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if
        >> the
        >> > > > world
        >> > > > > > > shall be
        >> > > > > > > judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?"
        >> > > > > > > (1 Corinthians
        >> >6:2<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.2>
        >> > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.2>
        >> > > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.2>
        >> > > >
        >> > > > > > )
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > "Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things
        >> that
        >> > > > > > pertain
        >> > > > > > > to this life?"
        >> > > > > > > (1 Corinthians
        >> >6:3<http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.3>
        >> > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.3>
        >> > > > <http://bible.logos.com/passage/KJV/1%20Corinthians%206.3>
        >> > > >
        >> > > > > > )
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > So, now you know. Here is my advice for you: Stop relying on
        >> the
        >> > > > > > > interpretations of others (even me). Read the Scriptures,
        >> meditate
        >> > > > > > > on them, then use you own brain to develop an appreciation of
        >> the
        >> > > > > > > underlying meaning. Think before you blurt.
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > Regards,
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > > Sid
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > >
        >> > > > > > I have spent more than fifty five years reading the Bible.. this
        >> is
        >> > > why
        >> > > > I
        >> > > > > > became a mystic.. as I could see that Jesus was a mystic with a
        >> > > deeper
        >> > > > > > teaching that was not taught in the Bible and not taught in the
        >> > > > Churches.. I
        >> > > > > > also heeded His advice, when He said;"you must die to be
        >> born"...He
        >> > > was
        >> > > > of
        >> > > > > > course speaking of the ego dying, so that You may be born in
        >> Reality
        >> > > > and
        >> > > > > > Truth... This is why I teach as I do.. I have found the Truth
        >> that
        >> > > > Jesus
        >> > > > > > taught and seek to share It.........namaste, thomas
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