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Re: [regsaudioforum] Stereophile "As We See It"

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  • Ted Rook
    The Red Book also covers the mastering process, to which the same logic must apply, yes?
    Message 1 of 12 , Nov 3, 2007
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      The Red Book also covers the mastering process, to which the same logic must apply, yes?


      On 3 Nov 2007 at 8:21, Tom Mallin wrote:

      >
      > A test disk can't tell you whether improperly mastered pressings will play or not. The test disk is
      > either made to Redbook standards or it isn't.
      >
      > >>> will_hum@... 11/02/07 08:43PM >>>
      > Sorry, hit "send" too soon.
      >
      > Track listings available here:
      >
      > http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Test-Various-Artists/dp/B000003VJC
      >
      > But no longer available from Amazon.
      >
      > $34 here: http://www.bostonaudiosociety.org/db_systems.htm
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Will Hum" <will_hum@...>
      > To: <regsaudioforum@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:40 PM
      > Subject: Re: [regsaudioforum] Stereophile "As We See It"
      >
      >
      > >I think Audio Idea Guide (aka Andrew Marshall) is the only magazine that
      > >consistantly tested CD players for their tracking ability using the Pierre
      > >Verany test disk.
      > >
      > >
      > > http://www.bostonaudiosociety.org/db_systems.htm
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: "Ted Rook" <rooknrol@...>
      > > To: <regsaudioforum@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:20 PM
      > > Subject: Re: [regsaudioforum] Stereophile "As We See It"
      > >
      > >
      > >> Thanks for the clarification, I see he was referring to the business of
      > >> hifi from the magazine
      > >> publisher's viewpoint. To continue in my DA role, I believe there are a
      > >> lot of equipment
      > >> makers doing quite nicely thank you precisely because measurement has
      > >> been overlooked.
      > >> I have recently become aware of the existence of CD evaluation material
      > >> published by
      > >> Philips expressly for use by CD player makers to evaluate the success or
      > >> othwerwise of their
      > >> designs. I was astonished at the variety of playback parameters they have
      > >> designed tests
      > >> for, stuff I hadn't even heard of, but they had. The test material
      > >> consists of specially made
      > >> CDs costing $100 each, there's about ten of them. I would have thought
      > >> they would have
      > >> become the CD reviewer's standard tools of use long ago, but in my
      > >> admittedly thin reading
      > >> of review material I've seen no reference to them or any of the CD
      > >> evaluation discs made my
      > >> almost every major recording organization. I think playability is the
      > >> chief factor under
      > >> examination, how well the machine tolerates less than perfect discs. If I
      > >> were rich I would
      > >> treat myself to set of discs but I'm not!
      > >> Ted
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> On 2 Nov 2007 at 20:38, Will Hum wrote:
      > >>
      > >>> I agree with your comments Ted.
      > >>>
      > >>> But I don't think he was dismayed over the quality/value of gear today.
      > >>> More with how "reviewing" is done today - without any comparison to the
      > >>> "absolute sound".
      > >>>
      > >>> My fault for I misrepresented the part about JGH not wanting to be
      > >>> "credited" with subjective reviewing. What I should have said was he
      > >>> did
      > >>> not like the way subjective reviewing is done today - without any
      > >>> comparison
      > >>> to any standard. ie. "if it sounds good, it is good". He says he never
      > >>> said that measurements didn't matter, just that they didn't tell the
      > >>> whole
      > >>> story.
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>> ----- Original Message -----
      > >>> From: "Ted Rook" <rooknrol@...>
      > >>> To: <regsaudioforum@yahoogroups.com>
      > >>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:13 PM
      > >>> Subject: Re: [regsaudioforum] Stereophile "As We See It"
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>> > Will, I seem to like being "devil's advocate" so here is a contrary
      > >>> > view
      > >>> > based on my own
      > >>> > experiences of buying a very limited amount of gear for personal use.
      > >>> > Amplifiers, speakers
      > >>> > and playback equipment have all improved in value over the past 15
      > >>> > years,
      > >>> > in two ways, in
      > >>> > terms of more bang for buck and for further advances in what is
      > >>> > possible
      > >>> > at the limits of
      > >>> > performance. I don't find that cause for dismay, so Holt must be
      > >>> > referring
      > >>> > toi something else.
      > >>> > There is another viewpoint, that of the hifi dealers and music
      > >>> > retailers,
      > >>> > to whom it is very
      > >>> > important that business be healthy in financial terms. I can't speak
      > >>> > for
      > >>> > that sector of the
      > >>> > industry but if I had to guess I would judge that the continuing
      > >>> > popularity of regional and
      > >>> > international audio fairs is evidence for business to be at least
      > >>> > continuing as usual. So no
      > >>> > cause for dismay there either. I wonder what he does find to be cause
      > >>> > for
      > >>> > dismay?
      > >>> > Ted
      > >>> >
      > >>> >
      > >>> > On 2 Nov 2007 at 19:47, Will Hum wrote:
      > >>> >
      > >>> >>
      > >>> >> I just read the "As We See It" column on the first page of the
      > >>> >> November
      > >>> >> Stereophile... where J.
      > >>> >> Gordon Holt gave his (harsh) view of the current state of the
      > >>> >> high-end.
      > >>> >>
      > >>> >> His comments were in response to Atkinson's question, "Do you still
      > >>> >> think
      > >>> >> the high-end has lost
      > >>> >> it's way like you saidit did 15 years ago?" (not the exact words)
      > >>> >>
      > >>> >> JGH's response was that it has gotten even worse, to the point where
      > >>> >> "There is no hope now."
      > >>> >>
      > >>> >> I hope it has some impact to the industry... but that's probably
      > >>> >> hoping
      > >>> >> for too much.
      > >>> >>
      > >>> >> I got the impression thathe issaddened that he is acknowledged as one
      > >>> >> of
      > >>> >> the"founders"of
      > >>> >> subjective reviewing, because that is what has gotten the industry
      > >>> >> into
      > >>> >> the dead end (as he sees
      > >>> >> it) it's in now.
      > >>> >>
      > >>> >> I wish JGH would come out of retirement and write for Stereophile or
      > >>> >> TAS
      > >>> >> again... to add some
      > >>> >> balance to the current school of "If it sounds good, it is good."
      > >>> >>
      > >>> >> I really enjoyed reading it.
      > >>> >>
      > >>> >> Will
      > >>> >>
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