2038Re: [Raw Food] Dr. Ornish Diet
- May 1, 2002Hi Peter,
Just a quick note. Brazil nuts probably aren't raw, even if they say
so. They are like cashews that are very difficult to get out of their
shells without heating. At least that is what I have read.
--- In rawfood@y..., <petergardiner@e...> wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback all.
> My Source for Dr. Ornish's Diet was Webmd. When I looked at
> his diet seriously last year, I read of cooked elements and
> noted his doctrinaire attitude; as in follow me rigidly
> or suffer the consequences. The slightest deviation will
> be catastrophic. You have to suffer to get the cure. Such
> sounded a bit medieval to me. Yesterday I read that he achieves
> a 10% improvement in blood circulation after five years. I should
> think that that is an average figure and that there are those
> who do even better on his regime.
> Dare I say that I am doing more like 50% better on raw food
> in one year? However in deference to the learned doctor, who
> should most certainly be doctrinaire, I will be keeping the
> fat lower for a bit to see whether it gives me yet another lift.
> Also I will be cutting alcohol to frugal limits in the hope that
> that also helps.
> On nuts, I suppose like many others, some months ago, I heard
> Dr. Weil say on Larry King Live that olive oil and walnuts taken
> together were cholesterol lowering. That he said was new and a
> scientific truth. Further on this subject, I take the view that
> nut should be soaked which will make them a whole lot more
> digestible and avoid the problems of sticking on the walls
> of the digestive tract. Munching them to the end should further
> I sometimes eat brazil nuts with the notion that I will thereby be
> finding almost the only natural source of selenium around. After
> a day of soaking they are hardly changed. Should I be soaking them
> for much longer?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: realityofimagination [mailto:roger@s...]
> Sent: jeudi 2 mai 2002 0:34
> To: rawfood@y...
> Subject: Re: [Raw Food] Dr. Ornish Diet
> I have to agree with Regina. Dr. Ornish does not recommend a raw
> anyway. His program is quite old.
> I bet he recommends foods like bread and chips that have just been
> proven to have high levels of carcinogens. If he recommends cooked
> foods I don't take his information seriously. It may be helpful to
> people with heart disease, but couldn't compare to healthy a raw
> Cooked fats are the problem not raw fats. We need fat in our diets.
> Where does he suppose a raw foodist will get their fat? Avocados
> nuts are a great source for these things.
> Does Dr. Ornish distinguish between raw fats versus cooked fats?
> Just an interesting aside for you Seinfeld Fans. There is one
> of Seifeld where Kramer becomes a raw foodist. He doesn't say
> anything with the term raw. Instead he said he was only eating
> foods. He threw out his oven I think. He was eating fruits and even
> meats all Fresh or uncooked.
> He was always going to Jerry's apartment to get more food because
> new waitress girlfriend was constantly demanding food and I guess
> didn't have the stuff to please her.
> Roger Haeske
> --- In rawfood@y..., Regina DeLuca <regdeluca@y...> wrote:
> > It's a shame! These are wonderfully healing foods.
> > As a personal trainer I'm often asked advice regarding
> > nutrition. I always encourage people to eat from the
> > earth, specifically promoting avocados and raw nuts.
> > The reaction I get is typically "aren't those high in
> > fat?" or "I read not to eat these foods because they
> > are bad for you.", of which I reply "yes" and "don't
> > listen to everything you read". I continue with their
> > benefits. This Dr. is setting a bad example for others
> > who want to learn about health. I wonder what
> > research he has to prove this recommendation?
> > Regina
> > --- petergardiner@e... wrote:
> > > Have just been reading about Dr. Ornish's diet. He
> > > claims great success
> > > in curing heart disease.
> > >
> > > To cut to the chase he says that amongst other items
> > > the following
> > > should
> > > be avoided.
> > >
> > > Avocados
> > >
> > > Olives
> > >
> > > Nuts & seeds.
> > >
> > >
> > > That fairly knocks a corner off David Wolfe's
> > > triangle. It also takes a
> > > slice out of my diet. Are there any enlightened
> > > thoughts out there on
> > > this subject?
> > >
> > > Peter Gardiner
> > >
> > >
> > >
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