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Advice Needed: Respiratory Infection

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  • Camden McDaris Black
    Very sorry about your baby s tumors, Wendy. :-( As a new rat mama (going into my 5th month) I would appreciate any advice you all have on how to mitigate the
    Message 1 of 8 , May 11, 2017
      Very sorry about your baby's tumors, Wendy. :-( As a new rat mama (going into my 5th month) I would appreciate any advice you all have on how to mitigate the suffering caused by chronic respiratory infection/pneumonia. Tiberius came to me with it when we adopted him and his brother, Claudius, in January. They were roughly a year old at the time. Tiberius is in the middle of his second round of antibiotics. The first round minimized the symptoms for about a week, but then they came back. I have also put him on a honey/vinegar/garlic concoction to cover all bases, but nothing seems to be working this time. Any advice is welcomed!

      Cammie

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      >Subject: Re: (rats) Re: Is anyone still here?? :(
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      >So sorry everyone. It seems I never have time to post about our fuzzbutts.
      >Cherie, Tiny Toes Rat Rescue
      >Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
      >-------- Original message --------From: "pharohel@... [ratlist]" <ratlist-noreply@yahoogroups.com> Date: 5/10/17 5:12 PM (GMT-07:00) To: ratlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (rats) Re: Is anyone still here?? :(
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    • bingoo6335
      Here s the info: ALL rats have Mycoplasm. That s the bacteria that causes the majority of respiratory infections in rats. All rats have it, they get it
      Message 2 of 8 , May 11, 2017
        Here's the info:
         
        ALL rats have Mycoplasm.  That's the bacteria that causes the  majority of respiratory infections in rats.  All rats have it, they get it from their moms as they are being born.  Most of the time is it sub-clinical, meaning there are no symptoms.  But sometimes - all too often - they become actively ill from the Myco.  This is when they need antibiotics from a vet.  Baytril is the drug most commonly used, and if there is no improvement after a few days, you can add another antibiotic - usually Doxycycline.  The trick is, these MUST be given in the correct dosage for the proper length of time.  Ten days or 2 weeks just isn't going to do it.  These meds must be given for at LEAST 3 weeks, and if your rat has a stubborn case, you can give the meds for 6 weeks.  Some rats need to be on Baytril for their whole life.  Myco is extremely hard to kill.  
         
        Myco is indeed very contagious, but since all rats already have it, there is no need to separate a sick rat from his cagemates.  Besides, by the time you see the symptoms, the rat has already been contagious for days, so the other rats would have gotten it - if they didn't already HAVE it!  
         
        Sneezing is a symptom of Myco, but most often, a sneeze is just a sneeze.  It is very common for a rat to sneeze for several days when he moves to a new home - this doesn't mean he is ill.  If he sneezes occasionally with no other symptoms, he's fine.  But constant sneezing with other symptoms is a sign of illness and the rat needs to be taken to a vet ASAP.  
         
        Other symptoms are porphyrin (more about that in a minute), lethargy and noisy respirations.  Get into the habit of listening to your rat breathe every day.  Listen while he goes about his routine and then hold him up to your ear and listen to his lungs.  Learn what 'normal' sounds like so you will recognize 'abnormal' when you hear it.  This is VERY important!
         
        Porphyrin - rats have a reddish substance in their tears and mucus so if you see 'blood' around their eyes and nose, don't panic, it's not blood, it's porphyrin.  A tiny bit of porphyrin is OK but if you see a lot of it, that means the rat is under some sort of stress.  Most often it means the rat is ill but it can also mean there is something else wrong.  Not enough food, cage too small, cage too dirty, another rat is bullying him, someone smoking nearby - things like that.  So if you notice a lot of porphyrin, you need to figure out what is wrong.  Sometimes you might notice pink splatters around the cage from when the rat sneezes out the porphyrin.  Sometimes the rat's fur might turn pink, from when he grooms the porphyrin away.  If you notice porphyrin around just one eye, it can mean there is something wrong with that eye. 
         
        Rats are very, VERY good at hiding their illnesses.  In the wild, a rat who looks sick will be the first one eaten by a predator.  So if your rat LOOKS ill, he is indeed very sick.  This is why it's SO VERY IMPORTANT to have a good rat vet available.  Your rat WILL need to see a vet someday!  This is also why it's important to do a Wellness Check on your rat every day, so that you will notice something wrong as soon as possible.
         
        A few more tips:
         
        A rat will eat even if he is very, very sick.  So if your rat won't eat - he is extremely ill.  This is a red flag! 
         
        A rat sitting in a hunched over position with his fur on end is in pain. 
         
        A rats teeth are supposed to be orange or yellow.  If they are white, something is wrong. 
         
        Spaying your female rats when they are young (before 4 months old) will greatly reduce the occurrence of mammary tumors.  (I'm not saying you should absolutely do this, it's up to you, but you should at least know.)
         
        A rat doesn't NEED to gnaw on things.  They enjoy it, but they don't need it.  Some animals, like gerbils, do NEED things to gnaw on but rats keep their teeth sharp and trimmed by bruxxing.  They rub their top teeth against their bottom teeth, making a soft whirring noise.  They also do this to indicate emotion - like a cat's purr.  They do it when they are happy and content, but they will also do it when they are scared or in pain, as a way to comfort themselves. 
         
        When a rat bruxes really hard, the jaw muscles also affect the eye socket muscles so their eyes will sort of pop in and out.  This is called boggling and it's VERY strange to see!  It usually means you have a very happy rat.
         
        There's SO MUCH MORE I could write about, but that's all the time I have for now.  Please don't hesitate to ask questions!  Cathy
         
         
         
        In a message dated 5/11/2017 10:06:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cmcdarisblack@... writes:
        Very sorry about your baby's tumors, Wendy. :-( As a new rat mama (going into my 5th month) I would appreciate any advice you all have on how to mitigate the suffering caused by chronic respiratory infection/pneumonia. Tiberius came to me with it when we adopted him and his brother, Claudius, in January. They were roughly a year old at the time. Tiberius is in the middle of his second round of antibiotics. The first round minimized the symptoms for about a week, but then they came back. I have also put him on a honey/vinegar/garlic concoction to cover all bases, but nothing seems to be working this time. Any advice is welcomed!

        Cammie

        -----Original Message-----
        >From: "Tiny Toes Rat Rescue tinytoesrats@... [ratlist]" <ratlist-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
        >Sent: May 11, 2017 1:11 AM
        >To: pharohel@..., ratlist@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: Re: (rats) Re: Is anyone still here?? :(
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        >So sorry everyone. It seems I never have time to post about our fuzzbutts.
        >Cherie, Tiny Toes Rat Rescue
        >Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
        >-------- Original message --------From: "pharohel@... [ratlist]" <ratlist-noreply@yahoogroups.com> Date: 5/10/17  5:12 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: ratlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: (rats) Re: Is anyone still here?? :(
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      • Cheryl Griffing
        Hi Everyone, I read from a holistic rat yahoo group that giving rats echinecea, from birth, 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off will greatly reduce problems with 
        Message 3 of 8 , May 11, 2017
          Hi Everyone,

          I read from a holistic rat yahoo group that giving rats echinecea, from birth, 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off will greatly reduce problems with  respiratory infections. I added giving mine pau d'arco on the off weeks from echinecea. And while it was still available I gave them Immune Gold on a regular basis, which was an excellent natural anti-biotic but for some odd reason was discontinued. I am researching an equalilant replacement.
          This massively reduced respiratory problems. I add the appropriate amount of these herbal supplements to soft food.

          My rats are healthy and these supplements don't appear to have any negative side effects. I use them myself as well with the same results.

          Cheryl

        • Cheryl Griffing
          Message 4 of 8 , May 11, 2017

          • Cheryl Griffing
            Hi Cammie, Please read my previous post on the echinecea and pau d arco usage. Garlic is great. Are you giving enough, if you are using capsule forms, by
            Message 5 of 8 , May 11, 2017
              Hi Cammie,

              Please read my previous post on the echinecea and pau d'arco usage.

              Garlic is great. Are you giving enough, if you are using capsule forms, by adjustment to their small size?

              Turmeric may help. Golden Seal is also a very good herb for the immune system.

              I have been able to heal mine by touch, as well. Not sure if everyone can do this. Hold for 15-30 minutes twice a day while stroking and loving.

              Keep reasonably warm and totally dry. Clean cage often.

              Don't use cidar chips or any type of bedding that may be allergictic.

              These are some tips that have worked for mine in the past.

              Give a large variety of foods so they will eat better.

              Best of luck with this!

              Cheryl



            • Gilbert Weant
              I will back that one. Golden Seal is fantastic. Native American naturel antibiotic and it works. Gilbert Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, May 11, 2017
              Message 6 of 8 , May 11, 2017
                I will back that one. Golden Seal is fantastic. Native American naturel antibiotic and it works.

                Gilbert


                On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Cheryl Griffing cher_griff@... [ratlist]
                <ratlist-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
                 

                Hi Cammie,

                Please read my previous post on the echinecea and pau d'arco usage.

                Garlic is great. Are you giving enough, if you are using capsule forms, by adjustment to their small size?

                Turmeric may help. Golden Seal is also a very good herb for the immune system.

                I have been able to heal mine by touch, as well. Not sure if everyone can do this. Hold for 15-30 minutes twice a day while stroking and loving.

                Keep reasonably warm and totally dry. Clean cage often.

                Don't use cidar chips or any type of bedding that may be allergictic.

                These are some tips that have worked for mine in the past.

                Give a large variety of foods so they will eat better.

                Best of luck with this!

                Cheryl



              • Camden McDaris Black
                Thanks, all - I will definitely look into these remedies! And the cage is lined with fleece/flannel/terry cloth, cleaned often, no wood chips of any sort (only
                Message 7 of 8 , May 12, 2017
                  Thanks, all - I will definitely look into these remedies! And the cage is lined with fleece/flannel/terry cloth, cleaned often, no wood chips of any sort (only shredded paper towels) fyi. As for cuddling, these guys get at min. two hours of physical contact a day (including dozing on our ankles while we sit in bed watching TV - SO adorable!!) Please keep the great advice coming ...

                  On a related note, Tiberius also developed a visible cataract in one eye about a month ago ... do you think this is in any way related to his poor respiratory health? Just curious ... overall, he is a very happy, friendly, loving rat, even despite his maladies.

                  -----Original Message-----
                  >From: "Gilbert Weant witchynaturerat@... [ratlist]" <ratlist-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Sent: May 11, 2017 6:55 PM
                  >To: Cheryl Griffing <cher_griff@...>, "Cheryl Griffing cher_griff@... [ratlist]" <ratlist-noreply@yahoogroups.com>, "ratlist@yahoogroups.com" <ratlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Subject: Re: (rats) Re: Advice Needed: Respiratory Infection
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                  >I will back that one. Golden Seal is fantastic. Native American naturel antibiotic and it works.
                  >Gilbert
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                  > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Cheryl Griffing cher_griff@... [ratlist]<ratlist-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  
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                  >Hi Cammie,
                  >Please read my previous post on the echinecea and pau d'arco usage.
                  >Garlic is great. Are you giving enough, if you are using capsule forms, by adjustment to their small size?
                  >Turmeric may help. Golden Seal is also a very good herb for the immune system.
                  >I have been able to heal mine by touch, as well. Not sure if everyone can do this. Hold for 15-30 minutes twice a day while stroking and loving.
                  >Keep reasonably warm and totally dry. Clean cage often.
                  >Don't use cidar chips or any type of bedding that may be allergictic.
                  >These are some tips that have worked for mine in the past.
                  >Give a large variety of foods so they will eat better.
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                  >Best of luck with this!
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                  >Cheryl
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                • Heidi
                  Vitamin Bs, Vitamin C, (I d use both as whole food supplements if possible) and something called immunoregulin - holistic with or without antibiotics (there
                  Message 8 of 8 , May 12, 2017
                    Vitamin Bs, Vitamin C, (I'd use both as whole food supplements if possible) and something called immunoregulin - holistic with or without antibiotics (there are natural forms I'd look into for animal use; e.g., a bit of ozonated olive oil put on nose so it will be breathed in; it's harmless if ingested and can only help)
                    Best, Heidi

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