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Re: [quenya] Quenta hiinain

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  • Shihali Ramichu
    ... You re right. I forgot about those. ... You ve got a point. Even though _Umbar_ isn t a Quenya name, the -t would probably be attached because of the
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 7, 2000
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      Ales Bican wrote:

      > **Well, that's my mistake, sorry. According to Etym, _aare_ was derived
      > from the stem AR, but there are some evidences that Tolkien later
      > decided for the stem AS. _Aare_ then arose by common change from
      > PQ _aasee_. It became _aaze_ in Q of Valinor and remained in Vanyarin
      > Q, but in Noldorin Q it became _aare_.
      > But still I think the T form would be _aare_, for it seems that the mentioned
      > change was employed in T as well. We have _cavaria_ "house of him",
      > evidently containg 3rd person possessive ending _-ria_. Its Q cognate
      > is _-rya_. This ending is retated to 3rd person endings _-re_ (_-rye_?)
      > and _-ro_ (_-ryo_?) derived from the stem S-, see LR:385.

      You're right. I forgot about those.

      >
      >
      > > > "To Umbar" should be _Umbartenna_ rather than _Umbarenna_.
      > > >
      > >
      > > Where'd you get the _t_? I've never seen "Umbar" (the city) with the extra _t_
      > > in endings.
      >
      > **We do not know what _Umbar_ should have meant, but it looks
      > exactly like non-capitalized _umbar_, thus *I* would write it as
      > _Umbart-_. But if you do not want it like this, it is up to you. Until
      > we have Tolkien's solution, we can't say what is right and what's not
      > for sure.
      >

      You've got a point. Even though _Umbar_ isn't a Quenya name, the -t would probably be
      attached because of the resemblance. It *does* greatly increase the possibilities for
      punning.

      Melde
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