Re: [quenya] Quenta hiinain
- Ales Bican wrote:
> **Well, that's my mistake, sorry. According to Etym, _aare_ was derivedYou're right. I forgot about those.
> from the stem AR, but there are some evidences that Tolkien later
> decided for the stem AS. _Aare_ then arose by common change from
> PQ _aasee_. It became _aaze_ in Q of Valinor and remained in Vanyarin
> Q, but in Noldorin Q it became _aare_.
> But still I think the T form would be _aare_, for it seems that the mentioned
> change was employed in T as well. We have _cavaria_ "house of him",
> evidently containg 3rd person possessive ending _-ria_. Its Q cognate
> is _-rya_. This ending is retated to 3rd person endings _-re_ (_-rye_?)
> and _-ro_ (_-ryo_?) derived from the stem S-, see LR:385.
>You've got a point. Even though _Umbar_ isn't a Quenya name, the -t would probably be
> > > "To Umbar" should be _Umbartenna_ rather than _Umbarenna_.
> > >
> > Where'd you get the _t_? I've never seen "Umbar" (the city) with the extra _t_
> > in endings.
> **We do not know what _Umbar_ should have meant, but it looks
> exactly like non-capitalized _umbar_, thus *I* would write it as
> _Umbart-_. But if you do not want it like this, it is up to you. Until
> we have Tolkien's solution, we can't say what is right and what's not
> for sure.
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