Re: [quenya] Help
- Aiya Lambengolmor !
First I'd like to apologize to post in English, but it would be VERY
difficult to reply to newbies in Quenya !
Kirsi wrote :
> I was wondering if anyone could help me with writing to Quenyan...Perhaps you should go to the Elfscript list, a mailing list dedicaced to the
> I'd like to write my name "Kirsi" with "Tengwar Quenya" font...
> So please help me!!!
use of Tengwar and runes.
xelanotlob wrote :
> hello everyone im a new member i cannot write quenya using the wordsThe goal of the Quenya list is to post in Quenya ! You should not confuse
> but i can write it using the font if that makes sense so ill have to
> post in english
_languages_ (like Quenya or Sindarin) and _alphabets_ (Tengwar or runes).
Quenya is not a translation of English in another alphabet, it's a language
of its own, with its history (internal and external, its phonology, its
If you want to learn Quenya, you should go to the Elfling mailing list and
to Ardalambion (http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/), this great site contain a
very good Quenya course.
- i have been to ardalambion and got the course but i am only interested in the
runes i would like to learn how to speak it but that is not tolkien wanted to
happen with with his languages, people forming cults and only speaking his
languages that is not what he intended.
thanks for the tip anyway
i cannot be bothered with accutes
- Alex Bolton wrote :
> i have been to ardalambion and got the course but i am only interested inthe
> runes i would like to learn how to speak it but that is not tolkien wantedto
> happen with with his languages, people forming cults and only speaking hisYou can't speak runes, because runes are just an _alphabet_ (i.e. a system
> languages that is not what he intended.
of writing) used to transcribe _languages_. You can't say "I'd like to speak
cyrillic", but you can say "I'd like to speak greek".
You should not confuse _alphabets_ and _languages_ !
I don't think that people etrying to speak Tolkien's invented languages are
"cults" ! They are just people involved in a linguistic research about the
invented tongues of a dead writter.
I don't know if Tolkien didn't want to learn his elvish tongues. On the
contrary, I think that it was perhaps his intention to give people the
desire to study them, else he would'nt have used them in his stories and
would have kept them for himself only.
> namarieThe accutes accents mark a long vowel and long vowels are written
> i cannot be bothered with accutes
differently from normal vowels in Tolkien's invented alphabets.
> where did you al find the words for quenya, and how long did i takefor all of you to learn to spak it aswell as you all can????????????
There only sources for quenya words are Tolkien's writtings ! There are some
internet ressources where these words are collected :
Quettaparma Quenyanna (http://www.elvenlords.subnet.dk/xtra/wordlist.html) :
"The wordbook to quenya", an English-Quenya wordlist.
Parma Penyane Quettaron (http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/ppq_intro.htm) : "The
book of missing words", a wordlist of reconstructed or newly published
But I though you were only interested in runes !
Sébastien Bertho, A.K.A. Toko
- true u raise some good points, and i know the difference between runes and
spoken language but my first intention was to learn the runes then maybe
ascend to the spoken language itself later. i would appreciate your help as
you seem to be knowledgeable in the ways of quenya
i would write accutes but i cannot be bothered to find the symbol is what i
meant to say.
- Aiya !
Alex Bolton wrote :
> true u raise some good points, and i know the difference between runes andas
> spoken language but my first intention was to learn the runes then maybe
> ascend to the spoken language itself later. i would appreciate your help
> you seem to be knowledgeable in the ways of quenyaFor the runes and writting systems, you should look at the Elfscript mailing
list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfscript/
To learn more about quenya and others languages of Pr. Tolkien, you should
go to the Elfling mailing list : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling
Ardalambion is a great site you should look at :
When you will know enough to make some sentences in quenya, you'll be able
to come back to this list and post in this tongue.
> please may you send me a list of common helpful words i could use tostart to build simple words and sentances so i may begin to post in
There is a good wordlist to start with at Ardalambion :
But to write in quenya you'll have to learn the grammar also and I advice
you to read Helge's very good quenya course :
> i would write accutes but i cannot be bothered to find the symbol is what
> meant to say.OK. If you don't know how to write the accents, you can type _aa_ instead of
_á_ (some people can't see correctly the accents and it's an accepted
- Ok, i just joined your group and hope to become an active member but i
just starting introducing myself to the wonders of Tolkiens languages.
I was wondering where would be a good place to start teaching myself
Quenya...sorry if this sounds dumb but it's the best i can do.
- go to ardalambion
and download the quenya course
- I second that. I've mostly forgotten my Quenya, but I learned from his
grammar page (this was before he wrote the course).
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Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [quenya] Help
> go to ardalambion
> and download the quenya course
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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