Re: long vowels in Q words (was: Re: The present-tense stem)
- I wrote that a long vowel in the final syllable was
permitted in a Quenya word only if the syllable was
also the first syllable of the word, i.e. the word
C Masuoka responded:
> I have only (in my limited experience with the language)**You are right. _avá_ is an exception. However, the reason
> seen one example of a Quenya word with more than one syllable
> hat ended in a long vowel. This may not count (since _avá_
> is also spelled _áva_), but:
> áva, avá (the latter stressed on the final syllable) "Don't!";
> ávan "I won't" (also ván, ványë); áva carë! ("k") "don't do
> it!" (WJ:371)
why we see the long _á_ in dissyllabic _avá_ (and the accent
on it) is, I think, because it "shows combination with
the imperative particle *_â_" (WJ:371), i.e. _vá_ in _avá_
retained its length and accent when _â_ was prefixed
(which was accordingly shorthened and de-accented to
_a-_ [*]). In _áva_, however, _vá_ was shortened and
[*] Why we do not see *_unótime_ then is hard to tell.
Perhaps _ú-_ did not have an unaccented variant *_u-_
as e.g. _á_ or _ó-_ (see WJ:367) did and it was not
morphologically possible to have *_unótime_ and
morphological needs overrode phonotactical rules.
* * *
I also wrote that the first two syllables in _únótime_
Nathan Foreman asked:
> When you say that both syllables are accented,**By 'accented' I really mean stressed. Yes, both
> do you mean that both syllables are written with
> an accent when written in Roman letters? Surely
> you don't mean that stress falls upon both of
> these syllables when spoken? The O gets the stress,
> does it not?
syllables _ú_ and _nó_ in _únótime_ are stressed.
The syllable _nó_ receives the main, high-toned,
stress, the syllable _ú_ bears the secondary stress
that was lower in tone and also weaker in force
in this position.
In _The Road Goes Ever On_ Tolkien gave an account
on secondary stresses in Quenya. The initial syllable
usually retained some degree of stress. This
secondary stress was lower in tone than the main
stress but often equal in force to the main stress
(as in e.g. _oromardi_). The secondary stress was
somewhat weaker if it fell on a long syllable
immediately preceding a main-stressed syllable (as
in case of _únótime_). A long syllable is such a
syllable that contains a long vowel or a diphthong
or a short vowel followed by two consonants. Short
syllables in such a position were unstressed (hence
e.g. the first syllable of _avánier_ was unstressed).
If a word with three and more syllables ended in
two short syllables, the final syllable received a
light stress (as in e.g. _tellumar_ as well as in
_únótime_). (Taken from RGEO, pp. 60-1.)
What's in a name? That which we call a rose
by any other name would smell as sweet. (Juliet, _Romeo and Juliet_)
- I just want to say that I agree with most of what Ales has said, and
thank him for correcting my too-broad statement.
I suspect that verbal inflection and emphasis played a significant role
in the Quenya system of stress/accentuation, particularly where
prefixed particles, such as the imperative, negative, and negative
imperative, are concerned.
- --- Ales Bican <ales.bican@...> wrote:
> [*] Why we do not see *_un�time_ then is hard toThere is _uf�rea_ in FC, if that counts.
> Perhaps _�-_ did not have an unaccented variant
> as e.g. _�_ or _�-_ (see WJ:367) did and it was not
> morphologically possible to have *_un�time_ and
> morphological needs overrode phonotactical rules.
I'm so sorry, he's from Barcelona."
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