Re: [quenya] elen siila luumenn' omentielmo!
- Nathan Roy wrote:
> I looked at the document you suggested, and was reminded on another**If you have instaled Dan Smith' Tengwar fonts, look at the
> question. What is the "w-curl"?
mentioned article, I added some notes below; no.12 shows this.
> There are several symbols in the tengwar**I think you can try Dan Smith' page and his helpfiles:
> font that I do not know the meanings of, including three sets of curl
> add-ons. Where can I find out about these?
and also try this:
> The word "naamon" is the plural of "naamo", which I found in the quenya**It is "a judge" or "a person, somebody".
> corpus wordlist. If I remember correctly, it means "something". Doesn't
> really matter.
> Anyway, I have been working on a simple story for my language club with Greg**Fine.
> Dyke. We have discussed the first two paragraphs, and now that I learned how
> to operate in Egroups, I can send it to the rest of you!
> Nathan Roy wrote:Tancave! Nan quentuvanyes Ilquestanen, laa istan nyaritas Quenyanen
> > Man naa i cilme tengwaron oore ar roomen mi teecale?
> **Lertalye cenda os sine tengwar mi Lavir Salon centa
> natsemenyasse estaina Alalme. [You can read about these symbols in
> David Salo's enquiry/*essay on my site called 'elm'.]
> [Sounds like an advertising, I know...]
> > Naar tehtar ve quotation marks, parentheses ar question marks?
> **Maqueta Angasuule! Melis Tengwar: aiya, Angasuule, ma elye sinome?
> Ma polilye resta son?
> [Ask Angasuule! He loves Tengwar: hey, Angasuule, are you here?
> Can you help him?]
> [_resta-_ "aid, help", QL]
[Certainly! But I will say it in the Common Speech (English, I don't
know how to call it in Quenya), I don't know how to say it in Quenya
(what do you think of the use of -ita here?)].
Well, about roomen and oore it's not difficult once one has memorized
where to use them, it's pretty much reduced to use oore before full
consonants (all consonants except 'w' and 'y') and finally, and use
roomen before vowels, 'w' and 'y' (which means inital 'r' is written
As for quotation marks and parentheses I haven't seen any directly from
Tolkien (I lack many books), although I believe he used some in early (I
don't know how early) writings, when he was writing English with
tengwar, you can see them at Dan Smith's help files (I don't have the
address, but you can get it from Ardalambion's links). The question mark
looks like tinco with an extra bow *below* the first one, with the lower
end of the bow reaching and going to the left of the stem. Something
like this (I'm terrible with ASCII art, please forgive!):
- Ahhh... I thought that strange telco symbol looked like punctuation! Writing
systems that are nothing but one letter per sound can be so boring without
interesting surprises in them.
Here are all those curly tehtar I found using the "insert symbol" command
with Tengwar-Quenya font:
? ? ? S ?
/--\ /--\ --\
----/---/ ----/ / ----/ ----\ /
_/ --/ /
Each one seems to have a counterpart for use with the upper-bowed tengwar as
well. Besides the "s-curl", I have no idea what any of them mean! Being the
kind of person who enjoys strange quirks, it would be great to find them
I also remember some other symbols that looked like modified tengwar. One is
harma with an extra curl coming from the stem, and the other suule with the
letter two instead of a bow:
/ | |
| / | |/--\
\ \__| | /
Well, if anyone knows some of these, I'd appreciate hearing about them.
Thanks for the info so far!
Cuiviendil (Nathan Roy)
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- Well, first of all let me advice you to carry on this topic on
Elfscript, a mailing list dedicated to Tolkien's scripts, to subscribe
to it send a blank email to firstname.lastname@example.org and messages
should go to email@example.com . AFAIK this list is meant for Quenya
texts, for general (and not-so-general) questions about Tolkien's
language there's Elfling, too.
> Here are all those curly tehtar I found using the "insert symbol" commandAll those are s-curls, there's just more than one shape for it.
> with Tengwar-Quenya font:
> ? ? ? S ?
> /--\ /--\ --\
> ----/---/ ----/ / ----/ ----\ /
> _/ --/ /
> Each one seems to have a counterpart for use with the upper-bowed tengwar as
> well. Besides the "s-curl", I have no idea what any of them mean! Being the
> kind of person who enjoys strange quirks, it would be great to find them
> I also remember some other symbols that looked like modified tengwar. One isNo idea about these, they may not be tengwar at all (like 0157 and 0158
> harma with an extra curl coming from the stem, and the other suule with the
> letter two instead of a bow:
> /----| |
> / | |
> | / | |/--\
> \ \__| | /