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  • gf willmetts
    Hello John The real problem is how long will the spare parts be available. Look at how quickly the demise of the home video recorder came about when
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      Hello
      John





      The real problem is how long will the spare
      parts be available. Look at how quickly the demise of the home video recorder
      came about when manufacturers said they�d stop making them. I bought a spare
      second one before the prices went up on them but I bet there are still many
      people who still use them, if only for watch and wipe.




      Geoff


      *************** Geoff Willmetts editor, SFCrowsnest.org.uk and other suffixes ****************

      SFCrowsnest.org.uk is the biggest SF website in Europe and second biggest in the world
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      > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
      > From: actingman6@...
      > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:50:09 -0400
      > Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Wikipedia Article On Broadcast Syndication
      >
      > Since I have worked in radio, I can answer your question to Jim.
      > Professional equipment, unlike consumer equipment, still comes with manuals
      > and diagrams and parts lists. Also, if they don't have full time engineers
      > on staff, they do have locals who will come in as needed to fix stuff. And
      > the professional equipment with proper maintenance and proper environmental
      > conditions lasts a lot longer than consumer stuff.
      >
      > And yes, theoretically, a dated medium will be less likely to show up in
      > the broadcast world. But if the market is there, then a way will be
      > found. Warner Archive is proving that.
      >
      >
      > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:42 PM, gf willmetts
      > <gfwillmetts-2@...>wrote:
      >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Hello
      > > John
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Very interesting discussion. It does raise
      > > an interesting point that unless a film or series is on digital, then in
      > > the
      > > future if might never appear on US TV with the demise of station video
      > > players.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Hello
      > > Jim
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Doesn�t keeping things on hard drive reduce
      > > the chances of piracy?? After all, the files must be too large for DVD.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > How are these video tape machines
      > > maintained?? Surely their prolonged life depends on a good service and
      > > spare
      > > parts. I presume each station has more than one machine??
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Geoff
      > >
      >
      >
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    • John
      That is true with anything. Remember, while there are a lot of tv and radio stations, there still aren t as many as there are ordinary consumers. It is a
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        That is true with anything. Remember, while there are a lot of tv and
        radio stations, there still aren't as many as there are ordinary
        consumers. It is a different kind of market, with a different scope and a
        different supply chain. This is a guess on my part, but I suspect that in
        the broadcast industry, if you can't get parts for a particular piece of
        equipment, it is no longer the industry standard. How many stations are
        still trying to get parts for their kinescope (telerecording) recorders?


        On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:36 AM, gf willmetts
        <gfwillmetts-2@...>wrote:

        >
        >
        >
        > Hello
        > John
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > The real problem is how long will the spare
        > parts be available. Look at how quickly the demise of the home video
        > recorder
        > came about when manufacturers said they�d stop making them. I bought a
        > spare
        > second one before the prices went up on them but I bet there are still many
        > people who still use them, if only for watch and wipe.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Geoff
        >


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      • gf willmetts
        Hello John I tend to think with some things there is a finite supply. Just how durable are these machines?? If anything, I would be inclined to transfer the
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          Hello
          John





          I tend to think with some things there is a
          finite supply. Just how durable are these machines??


          If anything, I would be inclined to transfer
          the material onto something that would be read longer. Maybe that�s Warner�s
          ulterior motive. :-)





          Geoff




          *************** Geoff Willmetts editor, SFCrowsnest.org.uk and other suffixes ****************

          SFCrowsnest.org.uk is the biggest SF website in Europe and second biggest in the world
          and that's only because the first is a commerical site and they look to what we do!

          *************************************************************************************




          > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
          > From: actingman6@...
          > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:55:09 -0400
          > Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Wikipedia Article On Broadcast Syndication
          >
          > That is true with anything. Remember, while there are a lot of tv and
          > radio stations, there still aren't as many as there are ordinary
          > consumers. It is a different kind of market, with a different scope and a
          > different supply chain. This is a guess on my part, but I suspect that in
          > the broadcast industry, if you can't get parts for a particular piece of
          > equipment, it is no longer the industry standard. How many stations are
          > still trying to get parts for their kinescope (telerecording) recorders?
          >
          >
          > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:36 AM, gf willmetts
          > <gfwillmetts-2@...>wrote:
          >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Hello
          > > John
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > The real problem is how long will the spare
          > > parts be available. Look at how quickly the demise of the home video
          > > recorder
          > > came about when manufacturers said they�d stop making them. I bought a
          > > spare
          > > second one before the prices went up on them but I bet there are still many
          > > people who still use them, if only for watch and wipe.
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > Geoff
          > >
          >
          >
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          >
          >
          >
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          >
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          >


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        • Robert McNay
          With proper care and feeding, a good VHS machine is pretty durable. My current Sony unit is almost 22 years old.   With the reduced usage it and my second one
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            With proper care and feeding, a good VHS machine is pretty durable. My current Sony unit is almost 22 years old.
             
            With the reduced usage it and my second one are getting, I assume they will last a lot longer. They have to, I have too much anime on VHS that's never been released on DVD.
             
            RLM


            ________________________________
            From: gf willmetts <gfwillmetts-2@...>
            To: Search Chat <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:14 PM
            Subject: RE: [probe_control] OT: Wikipedia Article On Broadcast Syndication





            Hello
            John





                I tend to think with some things there is a
            finite supply. Just how durable are these machines??


                If anything, I would be inclined to transfer
            the material onto something that would be read longer. Maybe that’s Warner’s
            ulterior motive. :-)





            Geoff




            ***************  Geoff Willmetts    editor, SFCrowsnest.org.uk  and other suffixes ****************

                      SFCrowsnest.org.uk is the biggest SF website in Europe and second biggest in the world 
                            and that's only because the first is a commerical site and they look to what we do!

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            > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
            > From: actingman6@...
            > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:55:09 -0400
            > Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Wikipedia Article On Broadcast Syndication
            >
            > That is true with anything.  Remember, while there are a lot of tv and
            > radio stations, there still aren't as many as there are ordinary
            > consumers.  It is a different kind of market, with a different scope and a
            > different supply chain.  This is a guess on my part, but I suspect that in
            > the broadcast industry, if you can't get parts for a particular piece of
            > equipment, it is no longer the industry standard.  How many stations are
            > still trying to get parts for their kinescope (telerecording) recorders?
            >
            >
            > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:36 AM, gf willmetts
            > <gfwillmetts-2@...>wrote:
            >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Hello
            > > John
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >      The real problem is how long will the spare
            > > parts be available. Look at how quickly the demise of the home video
            > > recorder
            > > came about when manufacturers said they’d stop making them. I bought a
            > > spare
            > > second one before the prices went up on them but I bet there are still many
            > > people who still use them, if only for watch and wipe.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Geoff
            > >
            >
            >
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            >
            >
            >
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            >
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            >
            >
            >
                                   

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          • John
            My pure blind speculation is that Warner is using the archive model to help pay for a full inventory sorting as well as 21st century digitization. Broadcast
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              My pure blind speculation is that Warner is using the archive model to help
              pay for a full inventory sorting as well as 21st century digitization.

              Broadcast equipment is built to last. And with proper maintenance, it
              does. I have used 20 year old cart machines at some of my radio jobs.


              On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:14 PM, gf willmetts
              <gfwillmetts-2@...>wrote:

              >
              >
              >
              > Hello
              > John
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > I tend to think with some things there is a
              > finite supply. Just how durable are these machines??
              >
              >
              > If anything, I would be inclined to transfer
              > the material onto something that would be read longer. Maybe that�s
              > Warner�s
              > ulterior motive. :-)
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Geoff
              >


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            • John
              The problem is you can still buy VHS machines...but as far as I can tell, you can t buy stereo models. I burned a stereo model out digitizing my way-too-many
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                The problem is you can still buy VHS machines...but as far as I can tell,
                you can't buy stereo models. I burned a stereo model out digitizing my
                way-too-many VHS tapes, and could not find another stereo machine to
                replace it.


                On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Robert McNay <CptMatt@...> wrote:

                > **
                >
                >
                > With proper care and feeding, a good VHS machine is pretty durable. My
                > current Sony unit is almost 22 years old.
                >
                > With the reduced usage it and my second one are getting, I assume they
                > will last a lot longer. They have to, I have too much anime on VHS that's
                > never been released on DVD.
                >
                > RLM
                >


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              • martin allen
                Hi All:      Gotta write this quick, there s a storm coming, and I am stuck in Florida... First: Dino--glad to see you re still out there--they re piling on
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                  Hi All:
                   
                     Gotta write this quick, there's a storm coming, and I am stuck in Florida...
                  First: Dino--glad to see you're still out there--they're piling on again, I think we need to talk--soon.
                   
                  Geoff: Would have written sooner, but for the usual complications--my side of things re: the Search pilot is like this (and, prescient of you, nothing much past the mid-80's anyway)--shortly after I was forced to leave Houston  in early 1986, due to a multitude of factors, the local ABC affiliate KTRK-13 ran the pilot (with 'Search' titles) uncut, bar the line with Dr. Barnett saying 'Make him a better offer'--that line appears to have been cut from every version of the film on air since 1972, including several editions I recieved from Don and Jim--I got the KTRK cut from a friend and have since passed it on to D&J, if only because it had more of the 'diamond' bumpers than any other version I've seen since...it later ran on WTBS in a 90-minute cut down, then occasionally in a full 2-hour slot, but I haven't caught a listing of it since the early 90's at best. All of this prior to the WAC release, of course...
                   
                  For those of you who can't find stereo VHS anymore, where are you shopping? If you're looking for stand-alone VHS, forget it. I can still find combo units (DVD/VHS) that are full stereo and work just fine--I've burned out the DVD side of several, but the tape sides are still OK, I ought to know, I'm sitting on a few...
                   
                  Now, as to the TV station format-thing--I haven't been able to work for a number of years now, owing to having to be sole care-giver to my father--but when I had the semblance of a life, I used to work in local TV--and that covers a multitude of sins...
                   
                  Up until the late 90's the local Tallahassee ABC station had S-VHS for broadcast, as well as an old 1" reel-to-reel deck, for 'emergencies'. They fired the damn thing up once, when I was running tapes for the morning news, and when that bitch got running, I wanted to dive behind the nearest sofa--there wasn't one, so I settled for channeling Rhett Butler--"Has the war started?", my exact quote...what a racket...My last day there, I hi-jacked their one remaining 2" take-up reel for a souvenier--they were only using it for a doorstop anyway--sounds like ITV and the Sapphire and Steel reels, doesn't it?
                   
                  I  later worked for one (now long dead and totally unremembered cable outfit) that tried to run everything on hard-drive (this would be around 2002-3)--they would record everything on DVC and then convert it--sounds like a nice idea, but they were running the entire transmission side on an old MS-DOS program. If the term "what a lash-up" comes to mind, it fits. 
                   
                  In this crummy little market, (about 100 or more below where Jim works,)  I would be surprised if anyone is totally digital yet, likely not for years. My next to last post in Master Control was partly DVC, and whatever else seemed to fit. One overnight shift on M/C, I was handed a 3/4" (U-Matic) tape with a local ad from the early 80's on it. The sponsor was an Air Conditioner repair firm--try as I might, I could not get the input decks to read the signal. I had to run the damn ad four times that night which made for some interesting mental and physical gymnastics--I had to re-route the signal and do a fast switch from the one working 3/4" deck and back to the DVC side, in the middle of a block of ads--tricky, but I made it work. Like as not, no one was watching anyway...story of my life... 
                   
                  As to stations that get shows they still might run on tape, these might yet be old 'cash sale' tapes that they've been sitting on for years--in my day, there were two kinds of satellite feeds that would come down the pike--standard syndication runs that would go on the play-once-and-wipe side and the others that would feed once, at a slightly higher rate per episode, but the station could keep those and run them as often as they liked for the duration of the contract. This would include stuff like the later years of 'Cheers'--when Ted Danson got an estimated $1 million an episode, on Network, (yeah, but did he actually get it?), he forsaked any other kind of royalty payment on those episodes for as long as they were broadcast. One would assume the DVD releases were covered under a seperate contract, but I bet it was a pittance compared to his original pay-out...if indeed he ever got it. I gather Richard Basehart is still waiting for his 25% of
                  Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea...and yes, I know he's dead...has been for quite a while...
                   
                  For what it's worth: my second ever VHS, from 1986 worked until a few years ago when the color chip finally burned out. It's an early Stereo, capable of simulcast (like that's still around), but I don't have the nerve to get rid of it. It's an old soldier that I still keep around. It's earned it's retirement.
                   
                  Best,
                  martin
                   
                   
                   
                   


                  ________________________________
                  From: John <actingman6@...>
                  To: Probe Control <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 3:51 PM
                  Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Wikipedia Article On Broadcast Syndication

                   
                  The problem is you can still buy VHS machines...but as far as I can tell,
                  you can't buy stereo models. I burned a stereo model out digitizing my
                  way-too-many VHS tapes, and could not find another stereo machine to
                  replace it.

                  On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Robert McNay <mailto:CptMatt%40ameritech.net> wrote:

                  > **
                  >
                  >
                  > With proper care and feeding, a good VHS machine is pretty durable. My
                  > current Sony unit is almost 22 years old.
                  >
                  > With the reduced usage it and my second one are getting, I assume they
                  > will last a lot longer. They have to, I have too much anime on VHS that's
                  > never been released on DVD.
                  >
                  > RLM
                  >

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                • Robert McNay
                  This has to be another usage of the word quick that I was previously unaware of. :-) Rob ... From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
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                    This has to be another usage of the word "quick" that I was previously unaware of. :-)


                    Rob

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: probe_control@yahoogroups.com [mailto:probe_control@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of martin allen
                    Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:25 PM
                    To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: To VHS or Not to VHS...

                    Hi All:

                    Gotta write this quick, there's a storm coming, and I am stuck in Florida...
                    First: Dino--glad to see you're still out there--they're piling on again, I think we need to talk--soon.

                    Geoff: Would have written sooner, but for the usual complications--my side of things re: the Search pilot is like this (and, prescient of you, nothing much past the mid-80's anyway)--shortly after I was forced to leave Houston in early 1986, due to a multitude of factors, the local ABC affiliate KTRK-13 ran the pilot (with 'Search' titles) uncut, bar the line with Dr. Barnett saying 'Make him a better offer'--that line appears to have been cut from every version of the film on air since 1972, including several editions I recieved from Don and Jim--I got the KTRK cut from a friend and have since passed it on to D&J, if only because it had more of the 'diamond' bumpers than any other version I've seen since...it later ran on WTBS in a 90-minute cut down, then occasionally in a full 2-hour slot, but I haven't caught a listing of it since the early 90's at best. All of this prior to the WAC release, of course...

                    For those of you who can't find stereo VHS anymore, where are you shopping? If you're looking for stand-alone VHS, forget it. I can still find combo units (DVD/VHS) that are full stereo and work just fine--I've burned out the DVD side of several, but the tape sides are still OK, I ought to know, I'm sitting on a few...

                    Now, as to the TV station format-thing--I haven't been able to work for a number of years now, owing to having to be sole care-giver to my father--but when I had the semblance of a life, I used to work in local TV--and that covers a multitude of sins...

                    Up until the late 90's the local Tallahassee ABC station had S-VHS for broadcast, as well as an old 1" reel-to-reel deck, for 'emergencies'. They fired the damn thing up once, when I was running tapes for the morning news, and when that bitch got running, I wanted to dive behind the nearest sofa--there wasn't one, so I settled for channeling Rhett Butler--"Has the war started?", my exact quote...what a racket...My last day there, I hi-jacked their one remaining 2" take-up reel for a souvenier--they were only using it for a doorstop anyway--sounds like ITV and the Sapphire and Steel reels, doesn't it?

                    I later worked for one (now long dead and totally unremembered cable outfit) that tried to run everything on hard-drive (this would be around 2002-3)--they would record everything on DVC and then convert it--sounds like a nice idea, but they were running the entire transmission side on an old MS-DOS program. If the term "what a lash-up" comes to mind, it fits.

                    In this crummy little market, (about 100 or more below where Jim works,) I would be surprised if anyone is totally digital yet, likely not for years. My next to last post in Master Control was partly DVC, and whatever else seemed to fit. One overnight shift on M/C, I was handed a 3/4" (U-Matic) tape with a local ad from the early 80's on it. The sponsor was an Air Conditioner repair firm--try as I might, I could not get the input decks to read the signal. I had to run the damn ad four times that night which made for some interesting mental and physical gymnastics--I had to re-route the signal and do a fast switch from the one working 3/4" deck and back to the DVC side, in the middle of a block of ads--tricky, but I made it work. Like as not, no one was watching anyway...story of my life...

                    As to stations that get shows they still might run on tape, these might yet be old 'cash sale' tapes that they've been sitting on for years--in my day, there were two kinds of satellite feeds that would come down the pike--standard syndication runs that would go on the play-once-and-wipe side and the others that would feed once, at a slightly higher rate per episode, but the station could keep those and run them as often as they liked for the duration of the contract. This would include stuff like the later years of 'Cheers'--when Ted Danson got an estimated $1 million an episode, on Network, (yeah, but did he actually get it?), he forsaked any other kind of royalty payment on those episodes for as long as they were broadcast. One would assume the DVD releases were covered under a seperate contract, but I bet it was a pittance compared to his original pay-out...if indeed he ever got it. I gather Richard Basehart is still waiting for his 25% of Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea...and yes, I know he's dead...has been for quite a while...

                    For what it's worth: my second ever VHS, from 1986 worked until a few years ago when the color chip finally burned out. It's an early Stereo, capable of simulcast (like that's still around), but I don't have the nerve to get rid of it. It's an old soldier that I still keep around. It's earned it's retirement.

                    Best,
                    martin
                  • LambuLambu@aol.com
                    Martin, Yep... I m still here, just been a bit quiet for a while since I m not at all savvy with editing film or video tape (only the results thereof, as John
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                      Martin,


                      Yep... I'm still here, just been a bit quiet for a while since I'm not at all savvy with editing film or video tape (only the results thereof, as John mentioned with the footage-hungry WPIX station; I should mention that WNEW - or whatever they're calling themselves these days; it's Channel 5 from New York City and was still WNEW when I left the area - was also hungry when it came to eating up footage from re-runs, with really bad splicing where you could tell the film or tape had broken... they literally ate the media).


                      Anyway, you've got my e-mail. Shoot me a line when you need to. I'll be here.


                      Dino.


                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: martin allen <zippytkat@...>
                      To: probe_control <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Fri, Jun 21, 2013 10:25 pm
                      Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: To VHS or Not to VHS...






                      Hi All:

                      Gotta write this quick, there's a storm coming, and I am stuck in Florida...
                      First: Dino--glad to see you're still out there--they're piling on again, I think we need to talk--soon.

                      Best,
                      martin






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                    • martin allen
                      Mr. McNay:   Not that it s any concern of yours, but the storm front actually moved off and pelted Tallahassee about 10 minutes after I started writing. What
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                        Mr. McNay:
                          Not that it's any concern of yours, but the storm front actually moved off and pelted Tallahassee about 10 minutes after I started writing. What do you want, a running commentary on the weather? Besides, I don't recall anyone holding a gun to your head and making you read something that wasn't addressed to YOU in the first place. That quick enough for you?
                        mta


                        ________________________________
                        From: Robert McNay <CptMatt@...>
                        To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 1:09 AM
                        Subject: RE: [probe_control] OT: To VHS or Not to VHS...

                         
                        This has to be another usage of the word "quick" that I was previously unaware of. :-)

                        Rob

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: mailto:probe_control%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:probe_control%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of martin allen
                        Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:25 PM
                        To: mailto:probe_control%40yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: To VHS or Not to VHS...

                        Hi All:

                        Gotta write this quick, there's a storm coming, and I am stuck in Florida...
                        First: Dino--glad to see you're still out there--they're piling on again, I think we need to talk--soon.

                        Geoff: Would have written sooner, but for the usual complications--my side of things re: the Search pilot is like this (and, prescient of you, nothing much past the mid-80's anyway)--shortly after I was forced to leave Houston in early 1986, due to a multitude of factors, the local ABC affiliate KTRK-13 ran the pilot (with 'Search' titles) uncut, bar the line with Dr. Barnett saying 'Make him a better offer'--that line appears to have been cut from every version of the film on air since 1972, including several editions I recieved from Don and Jim--I got the KTRK cut from a friend and have since passed it on to D&J, if only because it had more of the 'diamond' bumpers than any other version I've seen since...it later ran on WTBS in a 90-minute cut down, then occasionally in a full 2-hour slot, but I haven't caught a listing of it since the early 90's at best. All of this prior to the WAC release, of course...

                        For those of you who can't find stereo VHS anymore, where are you shopping? If you're looking for stand-alone VHS, forget it. I can still find combo units (DVD/VHS) that are full stereo and work just fine--I've burned out the DVD side of several, but the tape sides are still OK, I ought to know, I'm sitting on a few...

                        Now, as to the TV station format-thing--I haven't been able to work for a number of years now, owing to having to be sole care-giver to my father--but when I had the semblance of a life, I used to work in local TV--and that covers a multitude of sins...

                        Up until the late 90's the local Tallahassee ABC station had S-VHS for broadcast, as well as an old 1" reel-to-reel deck, for 'emergencies'. They fired the damn thing up once, when I was running tapes for the morning news, and when that bitch got running, I wanted to dive behind the nearest sofa--there wasn't one, so I settled for channeling Rhett Butler--"Has the war started?", my exact quote...what a racket...My last day there, I hi-jacked their one remaining 2" take-up reel for a souvenier--they were only using it for a doorstop anyway--sounds like ITV and the Sapphire and Steel reels, doesn't it?

                        I later worked for one (now long dead and totally unremembered cable outfit) that tried to run everything on hard-drive (this would be around 2002-3)--they would record everything on DVC and then convert it--sounds like a nice idea, but they were running the entire transmission side on an old MS-DOS program. If the term "what a lash-up" comes to mind, it fits.

                        In this crummy little market, (about 100 or more below where Jim works,) I would be surprised if anyone is totally digital yet, likely not for years. My next to last post in Master Control was partly DVC, and whatever else seemed to fit. One overnight shift on M/C, I was handed a 3/4" (U-Matic) tape with a local ad from the early 80's on it. The sponsor was an Air Conditioner repair firm--try as I might, I could not get the input decks to read the signal. I had to run the damn ad four times that night which made for some interesting mental and physical gymnastics--I had to re-route the signal and do a fast switch from the one working 3/4" deck and back to the DVC side, in the middle of a block of ads--tricky, but I made it work. Like as not, no one was watching anyway...story of my life...

                        As to stations that get shows they still might run on tape, these might yet be old 'cash sale' tapes that they've been sitting on for years--in my day, there were two kinds of satellite feeds that would come down the pike--standard syndication runs that would go on the play-once-and-wipe side and the others that would feed once, at a slightly higher rate per episode, but the station could keep those and run them as often as they liked for the duration of the contract. This would include stuff like the later years of 'Cheers'--when Ted Danson got an estimated $1 million an episode, on Network, (yeah, but did he actually get it?), he forsaked any other kind of royalty payment on those episodes for as long as they were broadcast. One would assume the DVD releases were covered under a seperate contract, but I bet it was a pittance compared to his original pay-out...if indeed he ever got it. I gather Richard Basehart is still waiting for his 25% of Voyage To
                        The Bottom Of The Sea...and yes, I know he's dead...has been for quite a while...

                        For what it's worth: my second ever VHS, from 1986 worked until a few years ago when the color chip finally burned out. It's an early Stereo, capable of simulcast (like that's still around), but I don't have the nerve to get rid of it. It's an old soldier that I still keep around. It's earned it's retirement.

                        Best,
                        martin




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                      • John
                        Ah...I think Robert was commenting in a complimentary way how much good info you gave in a quick-before-the-storm-hits email. He had a smiley face emote-con
                        Message 11 of 24 , Jun 22, 2013
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                          Ah...I think Robert was commenting in a complimentary way how much good
                          info you gave in a quick-before-the-storm-hits email. He had a smiley face
                          emote-con at the end of the comment to show he was friendly teasing.

                          I looked and you are right, the combo models are stereo. I hadn't even
                          looked at those...because the last thing I wanted was another DVD player.
                          But I may force myself since I still have a few miillon tapes to go.


                          On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM, martin allen <zippytkat@...> wrote:

                          > **
                          >
                          >
                          > Mr. McNay:
                          > Not that it's any concern of yours, but the storm front actually moved
                          > off and pelted Tallahassee about 10 minutes after I started writing. What
                          > do you want, a running commentary on the weather? Besides, I don't recall
                          > anyone holding a gun to your head and making you read something that wasn't
                          > addressed to YOU in the first place. That quick enough for you?
                          > mta
                          >


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                        • LambuLambu@aol.com
                          Greetings, All, I think we should show a little understanding in this situation. There have been times when I ve been under some serious strain, taken a
                          Message 12 of 24 , Jun 22, 2013
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                            Greetings, All,


                            I think we should show a little understanding in this situation. There have been times when I've been under some serious strain, taken a comment the way it wasn't intended to be, and lashed out because of it.


                            I'm certain that many of our members have seen Martin post and say that he'd like to talk to me about some things. (I'm sure everyone saw his last post a few days ago where he addressed the opening line to me indicating such a desire again.)


                            I will not go into detail since it is not mine to go into, however I will say that Martin is going through some serious difficulties - almost the same ones which I have been going through for nigh-on four years now which is why he asks for my help now and then - and if his stress level is what mine has reached I understand how he could easily mistake a joking comment to be a snide one and lash out.


                            I'm not saying that EVERY member should 'walk on eggshells' in case SOME member is experiencing a strenuous time in his life; only that if one of our members - such as Martin, or possibly even myself - responds to a post in a very uncharacteristic manner (such as a lash-out), that we all take under consideration the possibility that maybe something in that member's life is going quite wrong.


                            Smileys aside, the typed word has no inflection or facial expressions to "read", and typed "smileys" are very easy to miss, hence in such occasions my use of "<wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean?>" to indicate that I am indeed joking. (Either that, or I'll actually type "<there's a joke in there>".)


                            So with that, I humbly suggest that we put this one behind us, let there be no hard feelings but understanding instead, and move onward, back to our usual discussions of the usual topics.


                            Thanks for listening (or in this case, reading).
                            Dino.


                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: John <actingman6@...>
                            To: Probe Control <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:26 pm
                            Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Looks Like We Got A Live One Here...






                            Ah...I think Robert was commenting in a complimentary way how much good
                            info you gave in a quick-before-the-storm-hits email. He had a smiley face
                            emote-con at the end of the comment to show he was friendly teasing.

                            I looked and you are right, the combo models are stereo. I hadn't even
                            looked at those...because the last thing I wanted was another DVD player.
                            But I may force myself since I still have a few miillon tapes to go.

                            On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM, martin allen <zippytkat@...> wrote:

                            > **
                            >
                            >
                            > Mr. McNay:
                            > Not that it's any concern of yours, but the storm front actually moved
                            > off and pelted Tallahassee about 10 minutes after I started writing. What
                            > do you want, a running commentary on the weather? Besides, I don't recall
                            > anyone holding a gun to your head and making you read something that wasn't
                            > addressed to YOU in the first place. That quick enough for you?
                            > mta
                            >

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                          • martin allen
                            OK:  Mea Culpa:    I plainly did not see the emoticon on Robert s letter. Dino s right, I am going through a bit of hell right now and I will explain--if
                            Message 13 of 24 , Jun 24, 2013
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                              OK:
                               Mea Culpa:
                                 I plainly did not see the emoticon on Robert's letter. Dino's right, I am going through a bit of hell right now and I will explain--if only because it may illuminate a situation a lot of you may find yourself faced with some day. I am currently being harrassed for money by the previous crooked rest home my father was in this time last year. (And I'm none too happy with the senior management of the one he's in now). I had thought that, based on a conversation I had with one of their business officers in another city that they would have had the decency to drop it by now. Hah, hah.
                                 With any luck though, things may have just changed a bit in my favor. This morning I got a call back from my father's secondary insurance carrier, Tri-Care. As I suspected, a so-called 'deal' the facility claimed they had struck with Tri-Care appears to be totally bogus. And, based on the invoice they sent me, they are giving me NO credit for monies I now believe were all but extorted out of me for a period of five months. I am going to be haunting the mailbox the next few days and see what sort of written confirmation I get as to what Tri-Care has actually paid this clip-joint. If there's as much of a discrepancy in what THEY report as I suspect there might be, my next long-form essay is to my local Congressman. (Well, I'm writing him anyway--exactly what remains to be seen). Then the senior Senator from this state and maybe a total media barrage. I WAS willing to leave well enough alone, but not anymore. You simply do not treat an almost 90-year
                              old Veteran of WWII as some sort of cash cow. Especially a member of The First Marine Division. 18 islands in the Pacific Theater and he was never even grazed by a slug. A Portugese Man O'War, now that's a different story...
                                 Dino, I could use that VA contact info you sent me once before, so I don't have to trawl through my old e-mails, thanks. And I appreciate the back-up.
                                 Geoff, you must be looking at this and shaking your head at what a barbarous system we are currently stuck with and I couldn't blame you. I was struck by the unintended irony in the current issue of CinemaRetro wherein there's a capsule review/appreciation of the 1971 film, 'The Hospital', with George C. Scott., written by Paddy Chayevsky. I believe it contains a one-liner said by Scott, (much like the one in MASH), about "This isn't a hospital, it's an insane asylum!!"...well, the piece ends with a query by the writer wondering why this film isn't better known or shown more often. He's kidding, right? In this country it's amazing it was made at all--but I'm pretty damn certain it's being actively suppressed. And I don't care if that sticks in the NSA's craw--I have nothing to hide. 
                                 Again, my apologies--the last thing I need to do is piss off any of you guys. This is one of the few groups I belong to, and I need all the friends I can get.
                              My turn to say thanks for listening.
                              Martin


                              ________________________________
                              From: "LambuLambu@..." <LambuLambu@...>
                              To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:29 AM
                              Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Looks Like We Got A Live One Here...

                               
                              Greetings, All,

                              I think we should show a little understanding in this situation. There have been times when I've been under some serious strain, taken a comment the way it wasn't intended to be, and lashed out because of it.

                              I'm certain that many of our members have seen Martin post and say that he'd like to talk to me about some things. (I'm sure everyone saw his last post a few days ago where he addressed the opening line to me indicating such a desire again.)

                              I will not go into detail since it is not mine to go into, however I will say that Martin is going through some serious difficulties - almost the same ones which I have been going through for nigh-on four years now which is why he asks for my help now and then - and if his stress level is what mine has reached I understand how he could easily mistake a joking comment to be a snide one and lash out.

                              I'm not saying that EVERY member should 'walk on eggshells' in case SOME member is experiencing a strenuous time in his life; only that if one of our members - such as Martin, or possibly even myself - responds to a post in a very uncharacteristic manner (such as a lash-out), that we all take under consideration the possibility that maybe something in that member's life is going quite wrong.

                              Smileys aside, the typed word has no inflection or facial expressions to "read", and typed "smileys" are very easy to miss, hence in such occasions my use of "<wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean?>" to indicate that I am indeed joking. (Either that, or I'll actually type "<there's a joke in there>".)

                              So with that, I humbly suggest that we put this one behind us, let there be no hard feelings but understanding instead, and move onward, back to our usual discussions of the usual topics.

                              Thanks for listening (or in this case, reading).
                              Dino.

                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: John <mailto:actingman6%40gmail.com>
                              To: Probe Control <mailto:probe_control%40yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:26 pm
                              Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Looks Like We Got A Live One Here...

                              Ah...I think Robert was commenting in a complimentary way how much good
                              info you gave in a quick-before-the-storm-hits email. He had a smiley face
                              emote-con at the end of the comment to show he was friendly teasing.

                              I looked and you are right, the combo models are stereo. I hadn't even
                              looked at those...because the last thing I wanted was another DVD player.
                              But I may force myself since I still have a few miillon tapes to go.

                              On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM, martin allen <mailto:zippytkat%40yahoo.com> wrote:

                              > **
                              >
                              >
                              > Mr. McNay:
                              > Not that it's any concern of yours, but the storm front actually moved
                              > off and pelted Tallahassee about 10 minutes after I started writing. What
                              > do you want, a running commentary on the weather? Besides, I don't recall
                              > anyone holding a gun to your head and making you read something that wasn't
                              > addressed to YOU in the first place. That quick enough for you?
                              > mta
                              >

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                            • LambuLambu@aol.com
                              Martin, No problem. I ll e-mail you the contact info later today. Dino. ... From: martin allen To: probe_control
                              Message 14 of 24 , Jun 24, 2013
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                                Martin,


                                No problem. I'll e-mail you the contact info later today.


                                Dino.


                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: martin allen <zippytkat@...>
                                To: probe_control <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 11:11 pm
                                Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Apologies and Explanations






                                Dino, I could use that VA contact info you sent me once before, so I don't have to trawl through my old e-mails, thanks. And I appreciate the back-up.






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                              • gf willmetts
                                Hello Martin Some of the nursing homes over here are probably no better. Considering how much people pay to stay in them you would think they would be making
                                Message 15 of 24 , Jun 25, 2013
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                                  Hello
                                  Martin





                                  Some of the nursing homes over here are
                                  probably no better. Considering how much people pay to stay in them you would
                                  think they would be making enough profit without not looking after the OAPs
                                  properly and paying for the right kind of people.





                                  Geoff










                                  *************** Geoff Willmetts editor, SFCrowsnest.org.uk and other suffixes ****************

                                  SFCrowsnest.org.uk is the biggest SF website in Europe and second biggest in the world
                                  and that's only because the first is a commerical site and they look to what we do!

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                                  To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                                  From: zippytkat@...
                                  Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:11:27 -0700
                                  Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Apologies and Explanations


























                                  OK:

                                  Mea Culpa:

                                  I plainly did not see the emoticon on Robert's letter. Dino's right, I am going through a bit of hell right now and I will explain--if only because it may illuminate a situation a lot of you may find yourself faced with some day. I am currently being harrassed for money by the previous crooked rest home my father was in this time last year. (And I'm none too happy with the senior management of the one he's in now). I had thought that, based on a conversation I had with one of their business officers in another city that they would have had the decency to drop it by now. Hah, hah.

                                  With any luck though, things may have just changed a bit in my favor. This morning I got a call back from my father's secondary insurance carrier, Tri-Care. As I suspected, a so-called 'deal' the facility claimed they had struck with Tri-Care appears to be totally bogus. And, based on the invoice they sent me, they are giving me NO credit for monies I now believe were all but extorted out of me for a period of five months. I am going to be haunting the mailbox the next few days and see what sort of written confirmation I get as to what Tri-Care has actually paid this clip-joint. If there's as much of a discrepancy in what THEY report as I suspect there might be, my next long-form essay is to my local Congressman. (Well, I'm writing him anyway--exactly what remains to be seen). Then the senior Senator from this state and maybe a total media barrage. I WAS willing to leave well enough alone, but not anymore. You simply do not treat an almost 90-year

                                  old Veteran of WWII as some sort of cash cow. Especially a member of The First Marine Division. 18 islands in the Pacific Theater and he was never even grazed by a slug. A Portugese Man O'War, now that's a different story...

                                  Dino, I could use that VA contact info you sent me once before, so I don't have to trawl through my old e-mails, thanks. And I appreciate the back-up.

                                  Geoff, you must be looking at this and shaking your head at what a barbarous system we are currently stuck with and I couldn't blame you. I was struck by the unintended irony in the current issue of CinemaRetro wherein there's a capsule review/appreciation of the 1971 film, 'The Hospital', with George C. Scott., written by Paddy Chayevsky. I believe it contains a one-liner said by Scott, (much like the one in MASH), about "This isn't a hospital, it's an insane asylum!!"...well, the piece ends with a query by the writer wondering why this film isn't better known or shown more often. He's kidding, right? In this country it's amazing it was made at all--but I'm pretty damn certain it's being actively suppressed. And I don't care if that sticks in the NSA's craw--I have nothing to hide.

                                  Again, my apologies--the last thing I need to do is piss off any of you guys. This is one of the few groups I belong to, and I need all the friends I can get.

                                  My turn to say thanks for listening.

                                  Martin



                                  ________________________________

                                  From: "LambuLambu@..." <LambuLambu@...>

                                  To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com

                                  Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:29 AM

                                  Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Looks Like We Got A Live One Here...





                                  Greetings, All,



                                  I think we should show a little understanding in this situation. There have been times when I've been under some serious strain, taken a comment the way it wasn't intended to be, and lashed out because of it.



                                  I'm certain that many of our members have seen Martin post and say that he'd like to talk to me about some things. (I'm sure everyone saw his last post a few days ago where he addressed the opening line to me indicating such a desire again.)



                                  I will not go into detail since it is not mine to go into, however I will say that Martin is going through some serious difficulties - almost the same ones which I have been going through for nigh-on four years now which is why he asks for my help now and then - and if his stress level is what mine has reached I understand how he could easily mistake a joking comment to be a snide one and lash out.



                                  I'm not saying that EVERY member should 'walk on eggshells' in case SOME member is experiencing a strenuous time in his life; only that if one of our members - such as Martin, or possibly even myself - responds to a post in a very uncharacteristic manner (such as a lash-out), that we all take under consideration the possibility that maybe something in that member's life is going quite wrong.



                                  Smileys aside, the typed word has no inflection or facial expressions to "read", and typed "smileys" are very easy to miss, hence in such occasions my use of "<wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean?>" to indicate that I am indeed joking. (Either that, or I'll actually type "<there's a joke in there>".)



                                  So with that, I humbly suggest that we put this one behind us, let there be no hard feelings but understanding instead, and move onward, back to our usual discussions of the usual topics.



                                  Thanks for listening (or in this case, reading).

                                  Dino.



                                  -----Original Message-----

                                  From: John <mailto:actingman6%40gmail.com>

                                  To: Probe Control <mailto:probe_control%40yahoogroups.com>

                                  Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:26 pm

                                  Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Looks Like We Got A Live One Here...



                                  Ah...I think Robert was commenting in a complimentary way how much good

                                  info you gave in a quick-before-the-storm-hits email. He had a smiley face

                                  emote-con at the end of the comment to show he was friendly teasing.



                                  I looked and you are right, the combo models are stereo. I hadn't even

                                  looked at those...because the last thing I wanted was another DVD player.

                                  But I may force myself since I still have a few miillon tapes to go.



                                  On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM, martin allen <mailto:zippytkat%40yahoo.com> wrote:



                                  > **

                                  >

                                  >

                                  > Mr. McNay:

                                  > Not that it's any concern of yours, but the storm front actually moved

                                  > off and pelted Tallahassee about 10 minutes after I started writing. What

                                  > do you want, a running commentary on the weather? Besides, I don't recall

                                  > anyone holding a gun to your head and making you read something that wasn't

                                  > addressed to YOU in the first place. That quick enough for you?

                                  > mta

                                  >



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                                • John
                                  Aside from the fact that there is not always a lot to talk about with a 41 year old one season show, the reason I have never minded OT discussions is you never
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Jun 25, 2013
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                                    Aside from the fact that there is not always a lot to talk about with a 41
                                    year old one season show, the reason I have never minded OT discussions is
                                    you never know what resources may be out there if you but ask. For
                                    instance, I was not aware that you, Martin, had such master control
                                    experience in television. Any time I have a stupid trivia question about
                                    how or why things work they way they do, you're the man (don't worry...I
                                    don't have any at the moment.) While I haven't done it yet, I am always
                                    thinking that I will write to Geoff to ask about certain British slang that
                                    I hear as I watch old and new British shows. From Dino you are getting
                                    contact info to help you in your current situation

                                    I am hoping that maybe someone out there has knowledge of this sort of
                                    thing that can contact you and give you some help.

                                    And some of us will be happy to come to your area with baseball bats to
                                    resolve the issue, if necessary.


                                    On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:11 PM, martin allen <zippytkat@...> wrote:

                                    > **
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > OK:
                                    > Mea Culpa:
                                    > I plainly did not see the emoticon on Robert's letter. Dino's right, I
                                    > am going through a bit of hell right now and I will explain--if only
                                    > because it may illuminate a situation a lot of you may find yourself faced
                                    > with some day. I am currently being harrassed for money by the previous
                                    > crooked rest home my father was in this time last year. (And I'm none too
                                    > happy with the senior management of the one he's in now). I had thought
                                    > that, based on a conversation I had with one of their business officers in
                                    > another city that they would have had the decency to drop it by now. Hah,
                                    > hah.
                                    > With any luck though, things may have just changed a bit in my favor.
                                    > This morning I got a call back from my father's secondary insurance
                                    > carrier, Tri-Care. As I suspected, a so-called 'deal' the facility claimed
                                    > they had struck with Tri-Care appears to be totally bogus. And, based on
                                    > the invoice they sent me, they are giving me NO credit for monies I now
                                    > believe were all but extorted out of me for a period of five months. I am
                                    > going to be haunting the mailbox the next few days and see what sort of
                                    > written confirmation I get as to what Tri-Care has actually paid this
                                    > clip-joint. If there's as much of a discrepancy in what THEY report as I
                                    > suspect there might be, my next long-form essay is to my local Congressman.
                                    > (Well, I'm writing him anyway--exactly what remains to be seen). Then the
                                    > senior Senator from this state and maybe a total media barrage. I WAS
                                    > willing to leave well enough alone, but not anymore. You simply do not
                                    > treat an almost 90-year
                                    > old Veteran of WWII as some sort of cash cow. Especially a member of The
                                    > First Marine Division. 18 islands in the Pacific Theater and he was never
                                    > even grazed by a slug. A Portugese Man O'War, now that's a different
                                    > story...
                                    > Dino, I could use that VA contact info you sent me once before, so I
                                    > don't have to trawl through my old e-mails, thanks. And I appreciate the
                                    > back-up.
                                    > Geoff, you must be looking at this and shaking your head at what a
                                    > barbarous system we are currently stuck with and I couldn't blame you. I
                                    > was struck by the unintended irony in the current issue of CinemaRetro
                                    > wherein there's a capsule review/appreciation of the 1971 film, 'The
                                    > Hospital', with George C. Scott., written by Paddy Chayevsky. I believe it
                                    > contains a one-liner said by Scott, (much like the one in MASH), about
                                    > "This isn't a hospital, it's an insane asylum!!"...well, the piece ends
                                    > with a query by the writer wondering why this film isn't better known or
                                    > shown more often. He's kidding, right? In this country it's amazing it was
                                    > made at all--but I'm pretty damn certain it's being actively suppressed.
                                    > And I don't care if that sticks in the NSA's craw--I have nothing to hide.
                                    > Again, my apologies--the last thing I need to do is piss off any of you
                                    > guys. This is one of the few groups I belong to, and I need all the friends
                                    > I can get.
                                    > My turn to say thanks for listening.
                                    > Martin
                                    >


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                                  • gf willmetts
                                    Hello John In many ways, this chat group is more of an old boys (and the odd girl) network since we were, even us abroad, are all of the same age, give or take
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Jun 25, 2013
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                                      Hello
                                      John





                                      In many ways, this chat group is more of an
                                      old boys (and the odd girl) network since we were, even us abroad, are all of
                                      the same age, give or take a year, so have a similar background with the shows
                                      back then.


                                      Looking at the skills group amongst are,
                                      like Rob Sawyer and Bob Greenberger doing something with writing :-) and the
                                      number of the others of you involved in the media with other experience, then
                                      we must be even more unique.


                                      Jim, you belong to many chat groups, is
                                      there enough support evidence for this??


                                      Just as a test, raise a show subject and
                                      see how many hands turn up saying they do repeat viewings.





                                      Geoff





                                      *************** Geoff Willmetts editor, SFCrowsnest.org.uk and other suffixes ****************

                                      SFCrowsnest.org.uk is the biggest SF website in Europe and second biggest in the world
                                      and that's only because the first is a commerical site and they look to what we do!

                                      *************************************************************************************




                                      To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: actingman6@...
                                      Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:55:09 -0400
                                      Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Apologies and Explanations


























                                      Aside from the fact that there is not always a lot to talk about with a 41

                                      year old one season show, the reason I have never minded OT discussions is

                                      you never know what resources may be out there if you but ask. For

                                      instance, I was not aware that you, Martin, had such master control

                                      experience in television. Any time I have a stupid trivia question about

                                      how or why things work they way they do, you're the man (don't worry...I

                                      don't have any at the moment.) While I haven't done it yet, I am always

                                      thinking that I will write to Geoff to ask about certain British slang that

                                      I hear as I watch old and new British shows. From Dino you are getting

                                      contact info to help you in your current situation



                                      I am hoping that maybe someone out there has knowledge of this sort of

                                      thing that can contact you and give you some help.



                                      And some of us will be happy to come to your area with baseball bats to

                                      resolve the issue, if necessary.



                                      On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:11 PM, martin allen <zippytkat@...> wrote:



                                      > **

                                      >

                                      >

                                      > OK:

                                      > Mea Culpa:

                                      > I plainly did not see the emoticon on Robert's letter. Dino's right, I

                                      > am going through a bit of hell right now and I will explain--if only

                                      > because it may illuminate a situation a lot of you may find yourself faced

                                      > with some day. I am currently being harrassed for money by the previous

                                      > crooked rest home my father was in this time last year. (And I'm none too

                                      > happy with the senior management of the one he's in now). I had thought

                                      > that, based on a conversation I had with one of their business officers in

                                      > another city that they would have had the decency to drop it by now. Hah,

                                      > hah.

                                      > With any luck though, things may have just changed a bit in my favor.

                                      > This morning I got a call back from my father's secondary insurance

                                      > carrier, Tri-Care. As I suspected, a so-called 'deal' the facility claimed

                                      > they had struck with Tri-Care appears to be totally bogus. And, based on

                                      > the invoice they sent me, they are giving me NO credit for monies I now

                                      > believe were all but extorted out of me for a period of five months. I am

                                      > going to be haunting the mailbox the next few days and see what sort of

                                      > written confirmation I get as to what Tri-Care has actually paid this

                                      > clip-joint. If there's as much of a discrepancy in what THEY report as I

                                      > suspect there might be, my next long-form essay is to my local Congressman.

                                      > (Well, I'm writing him anyway--exactly what remains to be seen). Then the

                                      > senior Senator from this state and maybe a total media barrage. I WAS

                                      > willing to leave well enough alone, but not anymore. You simply do not

                                      > treat an almost 90-year

                                      > old Veteran of WWII as some sort of cash cow. Especially a member of The

                                      > First Marine Division. 18 islands in the Pacific Theater and he was never

                                      > even grazed by a slug. A Portugese Man O'War, now that's a different

                                      > story...

                                      > Dino, I could use that VA contact info you sent me once before, so I

                                      > don't have to trawl through my old e-mails, thanks. And I appreciate the

                                      > back-up.

                                      > Geoff, you must be looking at this and shaking your head at what a

                                      > barbarous system we are currently stuck with and I couldn't blame you. I

                                      > was struck by the unintended irony in the current issue of CinemaRetro

                                      > wherein there's a capsule review/appreciation of the 1971 film, 'The

                                      > Hospital', with George C. Scott., written by Paddy Chayevsky. I believe it

                                      > contains a one-liner said by Scott, (much like the one in MASH), about

                                      > "This isn't a hospital, it's an insane asylum!!"...well, the piece ends

                                      > with a query by the writer wondering why this film isn't better known or

                                      > shown more often. He's kidding, right? In this country it's amazing it was

                                      > made at all--but I'm pretty damn certain it's being actively suppressed.

                                      > And I don't care if that sticks in the NSA's craw--I have nothing to hide.

                                      > Again, my apologies--the last thing I need to do is piss off any of you

                                      > guys. This is one of the few groups I belong to, and I need all the friends

                                      > I can get.

                                      > My turn to say thanks for listening.

                                      > Martin

                                      >



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                                    • Jim Alexander
                                      ... Jim, you belong to many chat groups, is there enough support evidence for this?? ============ Forgive me, but I m not sure of your question, Geoff. You
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Jun 25, 2013
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                                        Geoff wrote:
                                        >... In many ways, this chat group is more of an old boys (and the odd girl) network since we were, even us abroad, are all of the same age, give or take a year, so have a similar background with the shows back then. Looking at the skills group amongst are, like Rob Sawyer and Bob Greenberger doing something with writing :-) and the number of the others of you involved in the media with other experience, then we must be even more unique.

                                        Jim, you belong to many chat groups, is there enough support evidence for this??
                                        ============
                                        Forgive me, but I'm not sure of your question, Geoff. You mean evidence that our group is unique?

                                        Jim



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                                      • martin allen
                                        Hi Geoff;     Looks like I spoke too soon again. Over here, one could perhaps be excused for thinking that after nearly 60 years, that most, if not all of
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Jun 25, 2013
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                                          Hi Geoff;
                                              Looks like I spoke too soon again. Over here, one could perhaps be excused for thinking that after nearly 60 years, that most, if not all of the bugs about National Health would have been worked out by now--let me take a wild guess--do they use the same rubric about 'skilled' vs. 'semi-skilled' care on your end as they do here?
                                          martin


                                          ________________________________
                                          From: gf willmetts <gfwillmetts-2@...>
                                          To: Search Chat <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:36 AM
                                          Subject: RE: [probe_control] OT: Apologies and Explanations





                                          Hello
                                          Martin





                                              Some of the nursing homes over here are
                                          probably no better. Considering how much people pay to stay in them you would
                                          think they would be making enough profit without not looking after the OAPs
                                          properly and paying for the right kind of people.





                                          Geoff










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                                          To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                                          From: zippytkat@...
                                          Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:11:27 -0700
                                          Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Apologies and Explanations




















                                           


                                             
                                               
                                               
                                                OK:

                                          Mea Culpa:

                                            I plainly did not see the emoticon on Robert's letter. Dino's right, I am going through a bit of hell right now and I will explain--if only because it may illuminate a situation a lot of you may find yourself faced with some day. I am currently being harrassed for money by the previous crooked rest home my father was in this time last year. (And I'm none too happy with the senior management of the one he's in now). I had thought that, based on a conversation I had with one of their business officers in another city that they would have had the decency to drop it by now. Hah, hah.

                                            With any luck though, things may have just changed a bit in my favor. This morning I got a call back from my father's secondary insurance carrier, Tri-Care. As I suspected, a so-called 'deal' the facility claimed they had struck with Tri-Care appears to be totally bogus. And, based on the invoice they sent me, they are giving me NO credit for monies I now believe were all but extorted out of me for a period of five months. I am going to be haunting the mailbox the next few days and see what sort of written confirmation I get as to what Tri-Care has actually paid this clip-joint. If there's as much of a discrepancy in what THEY report as I suspect there might be, my next long-form essay is to my local Congressman. (Well, I'm writing him anyway--exactly what remains to be seen). Then the senior Senator from this state and maybe a total media barrage. I WAS willing to leave well enough alone, but not anymore. You simply do not treat an almost 90-year

                                          old Veteran of WWII as some sort of cash cow. Especially a member of The First Marine Division. 18 islands in the Pacific Theater and he was never even grazed by a slug. A Portugese Man O'War, now that's a different story...

                                            Dino, I could use that VA contact info you sent me once before, so I don't have to trawl through my old e-mails, thanks. And I appreciate the back-up.

                                            Geoff, you must be looking at this and shaking your head at what a barbarous system we are currently stuck with and I couldn't blame you. I was struck by the unintended irony in the current issue of CinemaRetro wherein there's a capsule review/appreciation of the 1971 film, 'The Hospital', with George C. Scott., written by Paddy Chayevsky. I believe it contains a one-liner said by Scott, (much like the one in MASH), about "This isn't a hospital, it's an insane asylum!!"...well, the piece ends with a query by the writer wondering why this film isn't better known or shown more often. He's kidding, right? In this country it's amazing it was made at all--but I'm pretty damn certain it's being actively suppressed. And I don't care if that sticks in the NSA's craw--I have nothing to hide.

                                            Again, my apologies--the last thing I need to do is piss off any of you guys. This is one of the few groups I belong to, and I need all the friends I can get.

                                          My turn to say thanks for listening.

                                          Martin



                                          ________________________________

                                          From: "LambuLambu@..." <LambuLambu@...>

                                          To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com

                                          Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:29 AM

                                          Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Looks Like We Got A Live One Here...



                                           

                                          Greetings, All,



                                          I think we should show a little understanding in this situation. There have been times when I've been under some serious strain, taken a comment the way it wasn't intended to be, and lashed out because of it.



                                          I'm certain that many of our members have seen Martin post and say that he'd like to talk to me about some things. (I'm sure everyone saw his last post a few days ago where he addressed the opening line to me indicating such a desire again.)



                                          I will not go into detail since it is not mine to go into, however I will say that Martin is going through some serious difficulties - almost the same ones which I have been going through for nigh-on four years now which is why he asks for my help now and then - and if his stress level is what mine has reached I understand how he could easily mistake a joking comment to be a snide one and lash out.



                                          I'm not saying that EVERY member should 'walk on eggshells' in case SOME member is experiencing a strenuous time in his life; only that if one of our members - such as Martin, or possibly even myself - responds to a post in a very uncharacteristic manner (such as a lash-out), that we all take under consideration the possibility that maybe something in that member's life is going quite wrong.



                                          Smileys aside, the typed word has no inflection or facial expressions to "read", and typed "smileys" are very easy to miss, hence in such occasions my use of "<wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean?>" to indicate that I am indeed joking. (Either that, or I'll actually type "<there's a joke in there>".)



                                          So with that, I humbly suggest that we put this one behind us, let there be no hard feelings but understanding instead, and move onward, back to our usual discussions of the usual topics.



                                          Thanks for listening (or in this case, reading).

                                          Dino.



                                          -----Original Message-----

                                          From: John <mailto:actingman6%40gmail.com>

                                          To: Probe Control <mailto:probe_control%40yahoogroups.com>

                                          Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:26 pm

                                          Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Looks Like We Got A Live One Here...



                                          Ah...I think Robert was commenting in a complimentary way how much good

                                          info you gave in a quick-before-the-storm-hits email. He had a smiley face

                                          emote-con at the end of the comment to show he was friendly teasing.



                                          I looked and you are right, the combo models are stereo. I hadn't even

                                          looked at those...because the last thing I wanted was another DVD player.

                                          But I may force myself since I still have a few miillon tapes to go.



                                          On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM, martin allen <mailto:zippytkat%40yahoo.com> wrote:



                                          > **

                                          >

                                          >

                                          > Mr. McNay:

                                          > Not that it's any concern of yours, but the storm front actually moved

                                          > off and pelted Tallahassee about 10 minutes after I started writing. What

                                          > do you want, a running commentary on the weather? Besides, I don't recall

                                          > anyone holding a gun to your head and making you read something that wasn't

                                          > addressed to YOU in the first place. That quick enough for you?

                                          > mta

                                          >



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                                        • martin allen
                                          Hi John,     Thank you for the emo-support--but as far as M/C experience, I must forbear--I only have a little bit after all--two overnight stints, about a
                                          Message 20 of 24 , Jun 25, 2013
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                                            Hi John,
                                                Thank you for the emo-support--but as far as M/C experience, I must forbear--I only have a little bit after all--two overnight stints, about a year apart, both of which came to a crashing ruin, mostly from sleep-deprivation--well, the first one was aggravated by the fact that I had barely had the job for two months when 9/11 happened, and I literally spent two weeks doing nothing but watching endless reruns of that whole conflagration...if it wasn't so bloody esoteric, I think I could make a good case for having contracted PTSD. Every ad break was canceled, as well as all satellite feeds...in fact, I ended up putting the first ads back on the channel, during an SNL re-run. I couldn't help but notice though, that every bumper was being altered on the live feed (before it went out) to remove every passing shot of the Twin Towers from the tape that I would switch from for local spots...Talk about sanitizing something on the cheap...but that's
                                            television today...kind of glad I'm out of it--I'd sooner stock shelves in a grocery store--something I'm actually working on, at the moment...
                                            martin 


                                            ________________________________
                                            From: John <actingman6@...>
                                            To: Probe Control <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:55 PM
                                            Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Apologies and Explanations

                                             
                                            Aside from the fact that there is not always a lot to talk about with a 41
                                            year old one season show, the reason I have never minded OT discussions is
                                            you never know what resources may be out there if you but ask. For
                                            instance, I was not aware that you, Martin, had such master control
                                            experience in television. Any time I have a stupid trivia question about
                                            how or why things work they way they do, you're the man (don't worry...I
                                            don't have any at the moment.) While I haven't done it yet, I am always
                                            thinking that I will write to Geoff to ask about certain British slang that
                                            I hear as I watch old and new British shows. From Dino you are getting
                                            contact info to help you in your current situation

                                            I am hoping that maybe someone out there has knowledge of this sort of
                                            thing that can contact you and give you some help.

                                            And some of us will be happy to come to your area with baseball bats to
                                            resolve the issue, if necessary.

                                            On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:11 PM, martin allen <mailto:zippytkat%40yahoo.com> wrote:

                                            > **
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > OK:
                                            > Mea Culpa:
                                            > I plainly did not see the emoticon on Robert's letter. Dino's right, I
                                            > am going through a bit of hell right now and I will explain--if only
                                            > because it may illuminate a situation a lot of you may find yourself faced
                                            > with some day. I am currently being harrassed for money by the previous
                                            > crooked rest home my father was in this time last year. (And I'm none too
                                            > happy with the senior management of the one he's in now). I had thought
                                            > that, based on a conversation I had with one of their business officers in
                                            > another city that they would have had the decency to drop it by now. Hah,
                                            > hah.
                                            > With any luck though, things may have just changed a bit in my favor.
                                            > This morning I got a call back from my father's secondary insurance
                                            > carrier, Tri-Care. As I suspected, a so-called 'deal' the facility claimed
                                            > they had struck with Tri-Care appears to be totally bogus. And, based on
                                            > the invoice they sent me, they are giving me NO credit for monies I now
                                            > believe were all but extorted out of me for a period of five months. I am
                                            > going to be haunting the mailbox the next few days and see what sort of
                                            > written confirmation I get as to what Tri-Care has actually paid this
                                            > clip-joint. If there's as much of a discrepancy in what THEY report as I
                                            > suspect there might be, my next long-form essay is to my local Congressman.
                                            > (Well, I'm writing him anyway--exactly what remains to be seen). Then the
                                            > senior Senator from this state and maybe a total media barrage. I WAS
                                            > willing to leave well enough alone, but not anymore. You simply do not
                                            > treat an almost 90-year
                                            > old Veteran of WWII as some sort of cash cow. Especially a member of The
                                            > First Marine Division. 18 islands in the Pacific Theater and he was never
                                            > even grazed by a slug. A Portugese Man O'War, now that's a different
                                            > story...
                                            > Dino, I could use that VA contact info you sent me once before, so I
                                            > don't have to trawl through my old e-mails, thanks. And I appreciate the
                                            > back-up.
                                            > Geoff, you must be looking at this and shaking your head at what a
                                            > barbarous system we are currently stuck with and I couldn't blame you. I
                                            > was struck by the unintended irony in the current issue of CinemaRetro
                                            > wherein there's a capsule review/appreciation of the 1971 film, 'The
                                            > Hospital', with George C. Scott., written by Paddy Chayevsky. I believe it
                                            > contains a one-liner said by Scott, (much like the one in MASH), about
                                            > "This isn't a hospital, it's an insane asylum!!"...well, the piece ends
                                            > with a query by the writer wondering why this film isn't better known or
                                            > shown more often. He's kidding, right? In this country it's amazing it was
                                            > made at all--but I'm pretty damn certain it's being actively suppressed.
                                            > And I don't care if that sticks in the NSA's craw--I have nothing to hide.
                                            > Again, my apologies--the last thing I need to do is piss off any of you
                                            > guys. This is one of the few groups I belong to, and I need all the friends
                                            > I can get.
                                            > My turn to say thanks for listening.
                                            > Martin
                                            >

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                                          • John
                                            And that story alone proves that you have insight that I can value. And it reminds me of my own experiences in radio. ... [Non-text portions of this message
                                            Message 21 of 24 , Jun 26, 2013
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                                              And that story alone proves that you have insight that I can value.

                                              And it reminds me of my own experiences in radio.


                                              On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:04 PM, martin allen <zippytkat@...> wrote:

                                              > **
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Hi John,
                                              > Thank you for the emo-support--but as far as M/C experience, I must
                                              > forbear--I only have a little bit after all--two overnight stints, about a
                                              > year apart, both of which came to a crashing ruin, mostly from
                                              > sleep-deprivation--well, the first one was aggravated by the fact that I
                                              > had barely had the job for two months when 9/11 happened, and I literally
                                              > spent two weeks doing nothing but watching endless reruns of that whole
                                              > conflagration...if it wasn't so bloody esoteric, I think I could make a
                                              > good case for having contracted PTSD. Every ad break was canceled, as well
                                              > as all satellite feeds...in fact, I ended up putting the first ads back on
                                              > the channel, during an SNL re-run. I couldn't help but notice though, that
                                              > every bumper was being altered on the live feed (before it went out) to
                                              > remove every passing shot of the Twin Towers from the tape that I would
                                              > switch from for local spots...Talk about sanitizing something on the
                                              > cheap...but that's
                                              > television today...kind of glad I'm out of it--I'd sooner stock shelves in
                                              > a grocery store--something I'm actually working on, at the moment...
                                              > martin
                                              >


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