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  • Geoff Willmetts
    Hello everyone in the States. I ve been cautious in asking if you all are all right as we ve heard electrcity is a bit sparse at the moment. Anyone want to
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      Hello everyone in the States. I've been cautious in asking if you all are all right as we've heard electrcity is a bit sparse at the moment. Anyone want to guess whether Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich are going to make a film out of it yet?? Geoff



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    • Robert McNay
      We seem to be okay, a bit dazed and confused, but slowly finding the silver lining in it. Oh, wait, you weren t talking about the Disney/LucasFilm merger? Rob
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        We seem to be okay, a bit dazed and confused, but slowly finding the silver
        lining in it.

        Oh, wait, you weren't talking about the Disney/LucasFilm merger?


        Rob McNay
        Chicago IL


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        From: Geoff Willmetts <gfwillmetts@...>
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        Sent: Wed, October 31, 2012 2:26:32 PM
        Subject: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??


        Hello everyone in the States. I've been cautious in asking if you all are all
        right as we've heard electrcity is a bit sparse at the moment. Anyone want to
        guess whether Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich are going to make a film out of it
        yet?? Geoff



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      • Geoff Willmetts
        Hello Rob You found silver?? The most ironic thing about your hurricane was how its name matched the beach moving up the streets. Geoff ***************** Geoff
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          Hello Rob You found silver?? The most ironic thing about your hurricane was how its name matched the beach moving up the streets. Geoff





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          To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
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          We seem to be okay, a bit dazed and confused, but slowly finding the silver

          lining in it.



          Oh, wait, you weren't talking about the Disney/LucasFilm merger?



          Rob McNay

          Chicago IL



          ----- Original Message ----

          From: Geoff Willmetts <gfwillmetts@...>

          To: chat search <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>

          Sent: Wed, October 31, 2012 2:26:32 PM

          Subject: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??



          Hello everyone in the States. I've been cautious in asking if you all are all

          right as we've heard electrcity is a bit sparse at the moment. Anyone want to

          guess whether Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich are going to make a film out of it

          yet?? Geoff



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        • Robert McNay
          Actually, Sandy did effect us here in Chicago, too. There have been some pretty nasty waves and wind here. Some of the waves got bad enough to shut down part
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            Actually, Sandy did effect us here in Chicago, too. There have been some pretty
            nasty waves and wind here. Some of the waves got bad enough to shut down part of
            one of our most iconic roads, Lake Shore Drive. There's also been some flooding
            of lakefront properties.

            As for the Disney/LucasFilm merger, I think there is a silver lining. The last
            (first?) 3 Star Wars film and last Indy Jones have pretty much shown that Lucas
            no longer "has it". Bringing in fresh eyes and imaginations might be what it
            needs, like new Star Trek movies have. Also, getting it all away from Lucas and
            his endless tinkering is a good thing, too.

            Plus, since Michael Eisner's butt got bounced from Disney, they have show they
            can do right by the fans and the films. Just look at the Marvel property movies
            (i.e. The Avengers, IronMan, Captain America, Thor) and any Pixar animation over
            the last few years.


            Rob McNay
            Chicago IL



            ----- Original Message ----
            From: Geoff Willmetts <gfwillmetts@...>
            To: chat search <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Wed, October 31, 2012 3:17:03 PM
            Subject: RE: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??


            Hello Rob You found silver?? The most ironic thing about your hurricane was how
            its name matched the beach moving up the streets. Geoff





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            We’ve
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            Our
            Google monthly number of hits exceeds seventy million and they place us in the
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            To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
            From: CptMatt@...
            Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:40:35 -0700
            Subject: Re: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??




















             


               
                 
                 
                  We seem to be okay, a bit dazed and confused, but slowly finding the
            silver


            lining in it.



            Oh, wait, you weren't talking about the Disney/LucasFilm merger?



            Rob McNay

            Chicago IL



            ----- Original Message ----

            From: Geoff Willmetts <gfwillmetts@...>

            To: chat search <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>

            Sent: Wed, October 31, 2012 2:26:32 PM

            Subject: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??



            Hello everyone in the States. I've been cautious in asking if you all are all

            right as we've heard electrcity is a bit sparse at the moment. Anyone want to

            guess whether Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich are going to make a film out of it


            yet?? Geoff



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          • Geoff Willmetts
            Hello Rob It’s not always apparent when Chicago is used in films that it is actually a coastal city but not surprised that Sandy reached that far and this
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              Hello Rob



              It�s not
              always apparent when Chicago is used in films that it is actually a coastal
              city but not surprised that Sandy reached that far and this isn�t really the
              start of the hurricane season.



              One odd
              thing about the Disney/LucasFilm merger is that Industrial Light & Magic
              wasn�t mentioned. As it was always named as a separate business in film
              credits, I presume Lucas still owns it for the moment??



              With more
              Star Wars films in the offing, one has to wonder when they mention Luke
              Skywalker is whether they�re going to recast or have the older actors back as a
              link to a new line.



              As to
              Disney�s recent output, a lot of it depends on who you put in charge of the film
              and how much respect they have for the source material.



              Geoff







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              We�ve
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              general genre than our own category. Doesn�t stop us appearing on the first
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              To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
              From: CptMatt@...
              Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:30:19 -0700
              Subject: Re: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??


























              Actually, Sandy did effect us here in Chicago, too. There have been some pretty

              nasty waves and wind here. Some of the waves got bad enough to shut down part of

              one of our most iconic roads, Lake Shore Drive. There's also been some flooding

              of lakefront properties.



              As for the Disney/LucasFilm merger, I think there is a silver lining. The last

              (first?) 3 Star Wars film and last Indy Jones have pretty much shown that Lucas

              no longer "has it". Bringing in fresh eyes and imaginations might be what it

              needs, like new Star Trek movies have. Also, getting it all away from Lucas and

              his endless tinkering is a good thing, too.



              Plus, since Michael Eisner's butt got bounced from Disney, they have show they

              can do right by the fans and the films. Just look at the Marvel property movies

              (i.e. The Avengers, IronMan, Captain America, Thor) and any Pixar animation over

              the last few years.



              Rob McNay

              Chicago IL



              ----- Original Message ----

              From: Geoff Willmetts <gfwillmetts@...>

              To: chat search <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>

              Sent: Wed, October 31, 2012 3:17:03 PM

              Subject: RE: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??



              Hello Rob You found silver?? The most ironic thing about your hurricane was how

              its name matched the beach moving up the streets. Geoff



              *****************

              Geoff Willmetts ***** GF Willmetts ****************************



              Commissioning

              Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.org.uk and assorted suffixes including .com and

              .co.uk



              We�ve

              updated our website. Please add to your links,



              Our

              Google monthly number of hits exceeds seventy million and they place us in the

              general genre than our own category. Doesn�t stop us appearing on the first

              page of any Goggle Search for Science Fiction entries.



              ***************************************************



              To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com

              From: CptMatt@...

              Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:40:35 -0700

              Subject: Re: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??













              We seem to be okay, a bit dazed and confused, but slowly finding the

              silver



              lining in it.



              Oh, wait, you weren't talking about the Disney/LucasFilm merger?



              Rob McNay



              Chicago IL



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              From: Geoff Willmetts <gfwillmetts@...>



              To: chat search <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>



              Sent: Wed, October 31, 2012 2:26:32 PM



              Subject: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??



              Hello everyone in the States. I've been cautious in asking if you all are all



              right as we've heard electrcity is a bit sparse at the moment. Anyone want to



              guess whether Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich are going to make a film out of it



              yet?? Geoff



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              Commissioning



              Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.org.uk and assorted suffixes including .com and



              .co.uk



              We�ve



              updated our website. Please add to your links,



              Our



              Google monthly number of hits exceeds seventy million and they place us in the



              general genre than our own category. Doesn�t stop us appearing on the first



              page of any Goggle Search for Science Fiction entries.



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            • Robert McNay
              ... From: Geoff Willmetts gfwillmetts@hotmail.com ... I read an interview once with a guy who was in the US Merchant Marine in WW2 and had done several convoys
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                From: Geoff Willmetts gfwillmetts@...

                > It’s not always apparent when Chicago is used in films that it is
                > actually a coastal city but not surprised that Sandy reached
                > that far and this isn’t really the start of the hurricane season.

                I read an interview once with a guy who was in the US Merchant Marine in WW2 and
                had done several convoys across the Atlantic. After the war, he became a
                captain on the Great Lakes. He said the North Atlantic, at its worst,
                had nothing on a Great Lakes storm, particularly Lake Superior and Lake
                Michigan.

                > One odd thing about the Disney/LucasFilm merger is that
                > Industrial Light & Magic wasn’t mentioned. As it was always
                > named as a separate business in film credits, I presume
                > Lucas still owns it for the moment??

                It was mentioned. ILM will maintain its independent status as a go-to source for
                special effects for all of Hollywood and foreign movies. Much like Disney has
                done with Pixar.

                > With more Star Wars films in the offing, one has to wonder
                > when they mention Luke Skywalker is whether they’re going
                > to recast or have the older actors back as a link to a new line.

                My understanding, from the guy who runs a major Star Wars fan site on the web
                who was interviewed on local radio, Lucas has written preliminary treatments for
                each of the 3 films. They are supposed to take place several years after "Return
                of The Jedi". That's all he had on the film plots and I'm sure Disney will keep
                a lid on it until release.
                If they take place long enough after RotJ, I'm sure that Mark Hamill would
                probably enjoy revisiting Luke as a middle aged man. Carrie Fisher I'm not sure
                could anymore, even after her stint with Jenny Craig Weight Loss Clinics.
                Harrison Ford? With rumors running rampant that he may appear in Ridley Scott's
                new Blade Runner universe film and neither denying it, maybe we could see Han
                Solo again.

                u
                > put in charge of the film and how much respect they have for
                > the source material.

                True, but Disney has proven lately to capable of finding "the right man" for the
                job and turn out some pretty stellar stuff.

                The only disappointment about the interviews I read was when a question was
                fielded about Indiana Jones. It was kinda brushed aside and minimized by the
                Disney exec. That doesn't bode well for folks like me who are bigger Indy fans
                than Star Wars.


                Rob McNay
                Chicago IL
              • Geoff Willmetts
                Hello Rob The Great Lakes are bigger than some seas, aren’t they?? I wonder what Lucas is going to do with all that money?? Can we presume that the next
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                  Hello
                  Rob



                  The Great Lakes are bigger than some seas,
                  aren�t they??



                  I wonder what Lucas is going to do with all
                  that money??



                  Can we presume that the next three films
                  are the ones that Lucas said were never in his original plans when 9 became 6
                  all those years ago?? One thing for sure, it�s going to mess up people who
                  think the novels are canon but aren�t.



                  Bearing in mind Ford�s age now, another
                  Indy film seems impractical unless they re-start them with a younger chap.



                  Geoff







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                  Commissioning
                  Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.org.uk and assorted suffixes including .com and .co.uk


                  We�ve
                  updated our website. Please add to your links,

                  Our
                  Google monthly number of hits exceeds seventy million and they place us in the
                  general genre than our own category. Doesn�t stop us appearing on the first
                  page of any Goggle Search for Science Fiction entries.


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                  To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                  From: CptMatt@...
                  Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 05:25:03 -0700
                  Subject: Re: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??


























                  ----- Original Message ----

                  From: Geoff Willmetts gfwillmetts@...



                  > It�s not always apparent when Chicago is used in films that it is

                  > actually a coastal city but not surprised that Sandy reached

                  > that far and this isn�t really the start of the hurricane season.



                  I read an interview once with a guy who was in the US Merchant Marine in WW2 and

                  had done several convoys across the Atlantic. After the war, he became a

                  captain on the Great Lakes. He said the North Atlantic, at its worst,

                  had nothing on a Great Lakes storm, particularly Lake Superior and Lake

                  Michigan.



                  > One odd thing about the Disney/LucasFilm merger is that

                  > Industrial Light & Magic wasn�t mentioned. As it was always

                  > named as a separate business in film credits, I presume

                  > Lucas still owns it for the moment??



                  It was mentioned. ILM will maintain its independent status as a go-to source for

                  special effects for all of Hollywood and foreign movies. Much like Disney has

                  done with Pixar.



                  > With more Star Wars films in the offing, one has to wonder

                  > when they mention Luke Skywalker is whether they�re going

                  > to recast or have the older actors back as a link to a new line.



                  My understanding, from the guy who runs a major Star Wars fan site on the web

                  who was interviewed on local radio, Lucas has written preliminary treatments for

                  each of the 3 films. They are supposed to take place several years after "Return

                  of The Jedi". That's all he had on the film plots and I'm sure Disney will keep

                  a lid on it until release.

                  If they take place long enough after RotJ, I'm sure that Mark Hamill would

                  probably enjoy revisiting Luke as a middle aged man. Carrie Fisher I'm not sure

                  could anymore, even after her stint with Jenny Craig Weight Loss Clinics.

                  Harrison Ford? With rumors running rampant that he may appear in Ridley Scott's

                  new Blade Runner universe film and neither denying it, maybe we could see Han

                  Solo again.



                  u

                  > put in charge of the film and how much respect they have for

                  > the source material.



                  True, but Disney has proven lately to capable of finding "the right man" for the

                  job and turn out some pretty stellar stuff.



                  The only disappointment about the interviews I read was when a question was

                  fielded about Indiana Jones. It was kinda brushed aside and minimized by the

                  Disney exec. That doesn't bode well for folks like me who are bigger Indy fans

                  than Star Wars.



                  Rob McNay

                  Chicago IL
















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                • Robert McNay
                  ... From: Geoff Willmetts gfwillmetts@hotmail.com ... Not sure on that, but I do know they hold the largest percentage of the Earth s fresh water. Somewher in
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                    ----- Original Message ----
                    From: Geoff Willmetts gfwillmetts@...

                    > The Great Lakes are bigger than some seas, aren’t they??

                    Not sure on that, but I do know they hold the largest percentage of the Earth's
                    fresh water. Somewher in the 10 to 15% range, I think.

                    > I wonder what Lucas is going to do with all that money??

                    Lucas announced this AM that, the majority of the $4bil is going into a
                    foundation to fund education.

                    > Can we presume that the next three films are the ones that
                    > Lucas said were never in his original plans when 9 became 6
                    > all those years ago?? One thing for sure, it’s going to mess
                    > up people who think the novels are canon but aren’t.

                    Especially since a Disney exec made it quite clear that the new movies won't
                    come from any published book. Its not the first time, after "SW: A New Hope",
                    Alan Dean Foster wrote a novel (Splinter of the Mind's Eye) that went best
                    seller and sat on the NYT Bestseller list for almost 20 weeks, IRC. Then "SW:
                    TESB" came out and basically blew away the whole book.

                    > Bearing in mind Ford’s age now, another Indy film seems
                    > impractical unless they re-start them with a younger chap.

                    Ford seems to be up for and still quite capable of action films. Indy was born
                    in 1899 (that IS canon, from the Young Indy series), that means, if they stick
                    to Indy being close to Ford's age, the film would be set in the late 1950s/early
                    1960s.


                    Rob McNay
                    Chicago IL
                  • Geoff Willmetts
                    Hello Rob Re: Star Wars. I remember a couple years of a TV cast where Lucas said none of the books were canon and yet people still buy them. Foster’s book
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                      Hello Rob



                      Re: Star
                      Wars. I remember a couple years of a TV cast where Lucas said none of the books
                      were canon and yet people still buy them.



                      Foster�s
                      book was really written to conform to what he was allowed to use and he had to
                      find away around wanting to use Mr. Vader.



                      Re: Indy
                      Jones and Ford. Considering that Ford is now 70 and it can take up to 4 years
                      to get a production from scratch together, do you think he�d survive the pace,
                      let alone the action. Logistically, it would make sense either to start from
                      scratch or him pass the torch to a son he never knew he had. :-)



                      By the
                      by, no one else is replying. Hope its just electricity. Last time, Bob
                      Greenberger was really up the creek in New York.



                      Geoff









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                      Commissioning
                      Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.org.uk and assorted suffixes including .com and .co.uk


                      We�ve
                      updated our website. Please add to your links,

                      Our
                      Google monthly number of hits exceeds seventy million and they place us in the
                      general genre than our own category. Doesn�t stop us appearing on the first
                      page of any Goggle Search for Science Fiction entries.


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                      To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                      From: CptMatt@...
                      Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:12:40 -0700
                      Subject: Re: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??


























                      ----- Original Message ----

                      From: Geoff Willmetts gfwillmetts@...



                      > The Great Lakes are bigger than some seas, aren�t they??



                      Not sure on that, but I do know they hold the largest percentage of the Earth's

                      fresh water. Somewher in the 10 to 15% range, I think.



                      > I wonder what Lucas is going to do with all that money??



                      Lucas announced this AM that, the majority of the $4bil is going into a

                      foundation to fund education.



                      > Can we presume that the next three films are the ones that

                      > Lucas said were never in his original plans when 9 became 6

                      > all those years ago?? One thing for sure, it�s going to mess

                      > up people who think the novels are canon but aren�t.



                      Especially since a Disney exec made it quite clear that the new movies won't

                      come from any published book. Its not the first time, after "SW: A New Hope",

                      Alan Dean Foster wrote a novel (Splinter of the Mind's Eye) that went best

                      seller and sat on the NYT Bestseller list for almost 20 weeks, IRC. Then "SW:

                      TESB" came out and basically blew away the whole book.



                      > Bearing in mind Ford�s age now, another Indy film seems

                      > impractical unless they re-start them with a younger chap.



                      Ford seems to be up for and still quite capable of action films. Indy was born

                      in 1899 (that IS canon, from the Young Indy series), that means, if they stick

                      to Indy being close to Ford's age, the film would be set in the late 1950s/early

                      1960s.



                      Rob McNay

                      Chicago IL
















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                    • LambuLambu@aol.com
                      Geoff, I m back up. We got a little bit of a pounding here in Virginia Beach and my area lost power for much of Monday night, and a brown-out that occurred
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                        Geoff,


                        I'm back up. We got a little bit of a pounding here in Virginia Beach and my area lost power for much of Monday night, and a brown-out that occurred after the power came back fried my FiOS control box, so I was without any land phone line, TV (no news of anything, just bits on the radio), and no Internet. But I'm back up now. Finally.


                        I hope anyone in the New York City (my original stomping grounds) and New Jersey and the New England coastline, all of whom bore the brunt of Sandy, is doing well. I saw those two restaurants on the southern tip of City Island (Belden Point) in The Bronx, my hometown, that were completely destroyed and my heart sank. I'd eaten at each one so many times while growing up, and when the wife and I were dating and after getting married. I also saw the damage to things on Coney Island. THE CYCLONE WAS DESTROYED! I remember that roller-coaster from when I was a kid; my father rode it when he was a kid. I think it was declared a historic landmark at some point. Now it's gone, along with most of the Coney Island Playland (or did they still call it "Astroland"?). It has been a while, but it still hurts to see it.


                        The saddest thing of all was the loss of the replica ship HMS Bounty (the 1962 replica) off of Cape Hatteras, NC. They lost one crewmember (Claudene Christian, descendant of Fletcher Christian of the original Bounty) though at least they recovered her, and last I saw in the news my fellow Coasties were still looking for the captain. I'd been aboard the Bounty quite a few times as she was a regular guest at Norfolk's annual Harborfest Celebration in June (along with many ships that appeared in 'The Onedin Line'). When I would drive up to NYC to visit what relatives I had there I would occasionally see her in the bay while I was crossing the Delaware Memorial Bridge; her yellow trim was instantly recognizable. That one really hit me in the gut. My heart goes out to Ms. Christian's family.


                        (And this is another thing that re-inforces my firm belief that Reality sucks!)


                        Dino.


                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: Geoff Willmetts <gfwillmetts@...>
                        To: chat search <probe_control@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:26 pm
                        Subject: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??



                        Hello everyone in the States. I've been cautious in asking if you all are all
                        right as we've heard electrcity is a bit sparse at the moment. Anyone want to
                        guess whether Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich are going to make a film out of it
                        yet?? Geoff



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                        Commissioning
                        Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.org.uk and assorted suffixes including .com and
                        .co.uk


                        We�ve
                        updated our website. Please add to your links,

                        Our
                        Google monthly number of hits exceeds seventy million and they place us in the
                        general genre than our own category. Doesn�t stop us appearing on the first
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                      • Geoff Willmetts
                        Hello Dino I think loosing local utilities is a sharp reminder on how reliant we are on them. From this side of the pond, it’s the size of the hurricane that
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                          Hello
                          Dino



                          I think loosing local utilities is a sharp
                          reminder on how reliant we are on them.



                          From this side of the pond, it’s the size
                          of the hurricane that shakes more and surprised there weren’t more casualties.



                          One can only hope with re-building that
                          your folk take note of what the Japanese did with earthquakes and improve
                          buildings to survive such a battering. Granted, they haven’t out in the wilder
                          states, but certainly they should in the cities.



                          Geoff







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                          Geoff,



                          I'm back up. We got a little bit of a pounding here in Virginia Beach and my area lost power for much of Monday night, and a brown-out that occurred after the power came back fried my FiOS control box, so I was without any land phone line, TV (no news of anything, just bits on the radio), and no Internet. But I'm back up now. Finally.



                          I hope anyone in the New York City (my original stomping grounds) and New Jersey and the New England coastline, all of whom bore the brunt of Sandy, is doing well. I saw those two restaurants on the southern tip of City Island (Belden Point) in The Bronx, my hometown, that were completely destroyed and my heart sank. I'd eaten at each one so many times while growing up, and when the wife and I were dating and after getting married. I also saw the damage to things on Coney Island. THE CYCLONE WAS DESTROYED! I remember that roller-coaster from when I was a kid; my father rode it when he was a kid. I think it was declared a historic landmark at some point. Now it's gone, along with most of the Coney Island Playland (or did they still call it "Astroland"?). It has been a while, but it still hurts to see it.



                          The saddest thing of all was the loss of the replica ship HMS Bounty (the 1962 replica) off of Cape Hatteras, NC. They lost one crewmember (Claudene Christian, descendant of Fletcher Christian of the original Bounty) though at least they recovered her, and last I saw in the news my fellow Coasties were still looking for the captain. I'd been aboard the Bounty quite a few times as she was a regular guest at Norfolk's annual Harborfest Celebration in June (along with many ships that appeared in 'The Onedin Line'). When I would drive up to NYC to visit what relatives I had there I would occasionally see her in the bay while I was crossing the Delaware Memorial Bridge; her yellow trim was instantly recognizable. That one really hit me in the gut. My heart goes out to Ms. Christian's family.



                          (And this is another thing that re-inforces my firm belief that Reality sucks!)



                          Dino.



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                          Hello everyone in the States. I've been cautious in asking if you all are all

                          right as we've heard electrcity is a bit sparse at the moment. Anyone want to

                          guess whether Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich are going to make a film out of it

                          yet?? Geoff



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                        • Mary Giangregorio
                          Geoff, Normally, losing all utilities (except water) normally doesn t bother me. When Hurricane Isabel came through here in September 2003 she took out power
                          Message 12 of 14 , Nov 2, 2012
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                            Geoff,

                            Normally, losing all utilities (except water) normally doesn't bother me. When Hurricane Isabel came through here in September 2003 she took out power for our neighborhood for almost three weeks. My ship rode her skirt tails home and we moored the day after the storm so I got to enjoy those three weeks of living with oil lamps, cooking on the grill, and reading if the wife and I weren't having a conversation. That neighbor of ours with the generator let us plug into his outside outlet so we could run a cord to the fridge and that was all the power we used. Everything else was daylight, candles, or oil lamps. And Isabel was just a Tropical Storm when she hit us. Our area is overdue for a major hurricane direct hit; people living here for like 90 years have said in interviews that we usually get one every ten years or so, and so far I've been in the area since 1989, and no major (Cat 3 or higher) storms have made landfall here, so it's only a matter of time of those aged and wise locals are right.

                            This time, however, our loss of utilities was a gross inconvenience because we are dealing with a university in Bath. My land phone line is the only one that can call internationally, and e-mail was necessary for quick documentation transfer. (The Evil One has been accepted to the Study Abroad Program; she heads for Bath, England, in January and the deadline for most everything was 1st November. Things on our end were moving so slowly because when anyone transfers funds over $3k US overseas - even to an educational institution - it sets off all sorts of alarms and red flags with our Dept. of Homeland Security; they hold things up for all sorts of checks and additional paperwork - yes, REAL PAPER! - so funds transfer takes twice as long as it used to. We were working out those delay matters with the university in Bath when we lost our ability to communicate overseas. If not for that, then I could have easily gone another three weeks with my oil lamps.)

                            As for the rebuilding over here, we'll have to see what happens. Some people living on the barrier islands along the coast, when interviewed after past storms, have said they were relocating further inland. (They are called "barrier" islands for a reason.) Others said they were going to rebuild their multimillion-dollar homes on that same piece of sand that had been washed away once the government - local, state, and federal - brought in sand to replace what had washed away. They call that "Beach/Shoreline Replenishment". They act like it was nothing because their insurance will pay for rebuilding, and the taxpayers will foot the bill to put the sand back so they just shrug it off. Those are the ones I have no sympathy for. Some people who didn't lost their houses in past storms had also said they were moving further inland - off of the barrier islands - because those locations are extremely dangerous when storms hit, especially around Cape Hatteras (the hurricane magnet).

                            Coney Island isn't a barrier island. It's been through this sort of thing before and rebuilt, but the Cyclone coaster was never destroyed before. I'm still wondering what they'll do now. As for the New Jersey coastline, well, any coastline, even one with no barrier islands, will fall prey to a slow-moving, wide-area storm. You can't just move the coastline even though Mother Nature can. But people are resilient. Just look at the 1906 San Francisco earthquake; it destroyed the city, yet they built it back up again better than before. The 1989 quake was also a huge one, and Frisco rebuilt after that as well; even other areas in California were devastated by that quake and they rebuilt. Resilient? Stubborn? Refusing to give up? That's us! (Or should it be, that's US?) ;)

                            Dino.

                            On Nov 2, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Geoff Willmetts wrote:

                            >
                            > Hello
                            > Dino
                            >
                            > I think loosing local utilities is a sharp
                            > reminder on how reliant we are on them.
                            >
                            > From this side of the pond, it�s the size
                            > of the hurricane that shakes more and surprised there weren�t more casualties.
                            >
                            > One can only hope with re-building that
                            > your folk take note of what the Japanese did with earthquakes and improve
                            > buildings to survive such a battering. Granted, they haven�t out in the wilder
                            > states, but certainly they should in the cities.
                            >
                            > Geoff
                            >
                            >



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                          • Geoff Willmetts
                            Hello Dino The loss of water probably suggests that you’re part fish. :-) Careful what you wish for. As I commented to Rob, I don’t think the hurricane
                            Message 13 of 14 , Nov 2, 2012
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                              Hello
                              Dino



                              The loss of water probably suggests that
                              you�re part fish. :-)



                              Careful what you wish for. As I commented
                              to Rob, I don�t think the hurricane season is over yet.



                              I�m sure Bath Uni will appreciate you have
                              problems if you tell the power was out. Your daughter won�t be the only one
                              with a problem from the USA.



                              The rich people on the barrier islands
                              sound pretty dumb.



                              Surely, Dino, re-building is one thing, but
                              making sure the buildings have a better chance of survival makes more sense.
                              Then again, in the tornado states, they still build houses from wood which
                              makes no sense.



                              I presume people who lived in skyscrapers
                              regarded themselves as pretty safe??



                              Geoff







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                              > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                              > From: LambuLambu@...
                              > Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:16:59 -0400
                              > Subject: Re: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??
                              >
                              > Geoff,
                              >
                              > Normally, losing all utilities (except water) normally doesn't bother me. When Hurricane Isabel came through here in September 2003 she took out power for our neighborhood for almost three weeks. My ship rode her skirt tails home and we moored the day after the storm so I got to enjoy those three weeks of living with oil lamps, cooking on the grill, and reading if the wife and I weren't having a conversation. That neighbor of ours with the generator let us plug into his outside outlet so we could run a cord to the fridge and that was all the power we used. Everything else was daylight, candles, or oil lamps. And Isabel was just a Tropical Storm when she hit us. Our area is overdue for a major hurricane direct hit; people living here for like 90 years have said in interviews that we usually get one every ten years or so, and so far I've been in the area since 1989, and no major (Cat 3 or higher) storms have made landfall here, so it's only a matter of time of those aged and wise locals are right.
                              >
                              > This time, however, our loss of utilities was a gross inconvenience because we are dealing with a university in Bath. My land phone line is the only one that can call internationally, and e-mail was necessary for quick documentation transfer. (The Evil One has been accepted to the Study Abroad Program; she heads for Bath, England, in January and the deadline for most everything was 1st November. Things on our end were moving so slowly because when anyone transfers funds over $3k US overseas - even to an educational institution - it sets off all sorts of alarms and red flags with our Dept. of Homeland Security; they hold things up for all sorts of checks and additional paperwork - yes, REAL PAPER! - so funds transfer takes twice as long as it used to. We were working out those delay matters with the university in Bath when we lost our ability to communicate overseas. If not for that, then I could have easily gone another three weeks with my oil lamps.)
                              >
                              > As for the rebuilding over here, we'll have to see what happens. Some people living on the barrier islands along the coast, when interviewed after past storms, have said they were relocating further inland. (They are called "barrier" islands for a reason.) Others said they were going to rebuild their multimillion-dollar homes on that same piece of sand that had been washed away once the government - local, state, and federal - brought in sand to replace what had washed away. They call that "Beach/Shoreline Replenishment". They act like it was nothing because their insurance will pay for rebuilding, and the taxpayers will foot the bill to put the sand back so they just shrug it off. Those are the ones I have no sympathy for. Some people who didn't lost their houses in past storms had also said they were moving further inland - off of the barrier islands - because those locations are extremely dangerous when storms hit, especially around Cape Hatteras (the hurricane magnet).
                              >
                              > Coney Island isn't a barrier island. It's been through this sort of thing before and rebuilt, but the Cyclone coaster was never destroyed before. I'm still wondering what they'll do now. As for the New Jersey coastline, well, any coastline, even one with no barrier islands, will fall prey to a slow-moving, wide-area storm. You can't just move the coastline even though Mother Nature can. But people are resilient. Just look at the 1906 San Francisco earthquake; it destroyed the city, yet they built it back up again better than before. The 1989 quake was also a huge one, and Frisco rebuilt after that as well; even other areas in California were devastated by that quake and they rebuilt. Resilient? Stubborn? Refusing to give up? That's us! (Or should it be, that's US?) ;)
                              >
                              > Dino.
                              >
                              > On Nov 2, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Geoff Willmetts wrote:
                              >
                              > >
                              > > Hello
                              > > Dino
                              > >
                              > > I think loosing local utilities is a sharp
                              > > reminder on how reliant we are on them.
                              > >
                              > > From this side of the pond, it�s the size
                              > > of the hurricane that shakes more and surprised there weren�t more casualties.
                              > >
                              > > One can only hope with re-building that
                              > > your folk take note of what the Japanese did with earthquakes and improve
                              > > buildings to survive such a battering. Granted, they haven�t out in the wilder
                              > > states, but certainly they should in the cities.
                              > >
                              > > Geoff
                              > >
                              > >
                              >
                              >
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                            • Dean Or Mary Giangregorio
                              Geoff, I probably should have clarified the loss of water bit: water services. When Isabel came through on 2003 some areas of Portsmouth lost their water
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                                Geoff,


                                I probably should have clarified the loss of water bit: water services. When Isabel came through on 2003 some areas of Portsmouth lost their water service because the flooding damaged the pumping stations and got into the reservoir, which contaminated the water. (That boil the water before you use it policy.) So as long as we've got water service, I can do without the electricity. (Books are still fun, and oil lamps still provide plenty of light.)


                                As for wishing for longer power loss - not quite. I was just saying that I can do without power if it goes out. And you're right; hurricane season doesn't end until 30th November. (It starts 1st June.) However, there are exceptions, as in 2005 when the hurricanes started well before June and continued well after November; they even ran out of names and had to switch to the Greek alphabet for the hurricanes we had so many that year! (And that was just in the Atlantic.)


                                Bath and The Evil One: The wife was able to use a computer at work while they had power to let the university contact know about our power problems. So hopefully things will go smoothly, especially since I think most of the western hemisphere knows what the US East Coast was just hit with.


                                Barrier islands and people with money: I wouldn't say 'dumb'. More like arrogant. They know the taxpayers will be replacing the sand, and the insurance will rebuild the house. It just comes down to their blatant show of money (the insurance for that is very expensive).


                                Rebuilding: If you think of the barrier islands, nothing will stop a house from being washed out. The sand goes, then the foundation, and the house collapses (if the tidal surge doesn't shove the house off the foundation or the wave action doesn't pound it to splinters). In my area, we had a guy whose business flooded out during Isabel. He recovered, and over time expanded. When he expanded, he build his new building in higher pilings as a precaution. Well, Sandy caused a tidal surge that flooded out both buildings. So as long as people are going to live right on the water, they're going to have serious damage.


                                Tornado Alley is another thing. You need a concrete dome with a very deep foundation to stop a tornado from literally blowing you to Oz. (I'll take a hurricane over a tornado any day; a hurricane you can see coming days or weeks in advanced, and if you're smart, prepare or get out of the way. A tornado can spring up out of nowhere, and by the time you realize one is there it's already too late. They're also unpredictable; they can destroy one house, mis the house next to it, and destroy the house next to that! At least with a hurricane you can plot its course, and see how it alters as it approaches.)


                                As for people living in skyscrapers feeling safe, I can't say. I haven't known anyone who lived in one. I guess for flooding it's safe if you're on a higher floor, but at some point you're going to have to leave the building. So safety there is a relative thing.


                                Dino.


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                                Subject: RE: [probe_control] you people over the pond OK??


                                Hello
                                Dino

                                The loss of water probably suggests that
                                you�re part fish. :-)

                                Careful what you wish for. As I commented
                                to Rob, I don�t think the hurricane season is over yet.

                                I�m sure Bath Uni will appreciate you have
                                problems if you tell the power was out. Your daughter won�t be the only one
                                with a problem from the USA.

                                The rich people on the barrier islands
                                sound pretty dumb.

                                Surely, Dino, re-building is one thing, but
                                making sure the buildings have a better chance of survival makes more sense.
                                Then again, in the tornado states, they still build houses from wood which
                                makes no sense.

                                I presume people who lived in skyscrapers
                                regarded themselves as pretty safe??

                                Geoff





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