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  • Geoff Willmetts
    Hello Dino I know what you mean about changing things in films although it’s more annoying when it deviates more from the original book source. Imagine
    Message 1 of 3 , Jun 1, 2011
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      Hello Dino

      I know what you mean about changing things in films although it�s more annoying when it deviates more from the original book source. Imagine something like Jane Austen or Dickens made the American way!! �Can�t Scrooge be nice� because so-&-so won�t play him otherwise.
      Then it�s director indulgence as people go to see something which resembles the source. With film re-makes it�s up to the viewer as to whether they want to see it or not. It depends on how much they are re-making the original film. Oddly, both second versions of �Invasion Of The Body-Snatchers� and �The Thing� are separate entities, regardless of how close to the source. For the former, it never got to the end of the book with the snatchers moving on. It�s not quite the same as a new singer doing a version of an old song and not doing a different interpretation.

      James Bond is like Sherlock Holmes, getting passed to each new generation with a few tweaks. Both are made for the type of story they�re portrayed in. It�s only confusing because they have newer actors taking the roles.

      As to rich megalomaniacs. It isn�t money they want but control of as many people as possible without using an election process. Probably the closes to this is Richard Murdock.

      I don�t think the David Niven �Casino Royale� was supposed to be canon. The title got bought up before Cubby B got his hands on the Bond books.

      Hello Rob

      I take to heart what you say about the films being nothing like the original books, especially of thrillers that didn�t get onto the book stands over here so we didn�t see the source. I suspect a lot of the time, American directors liked the premise or title, realised there was something out there like it if they came up with the idea separately � I mean, can you see directors reading books trying to find something they can use?? � and then buying the rights. Although, saying that, I expect studios bought rights as job lots just in case they could use them and not worry about being sued.
      One author that didn�t seem to get pissed over was author Jim Thompson and for the life of me I still haven�t figured why he was so revered when others weren�t. I should point out that I love Thompson�s books.

      Hello Stephen Russell

      I never saw the original �Wild, Wild West�, although did catch the return with the original actors.
      What puzzles me most about the film version is why make it a film vehicle for Will Smith? If it was true to the original West (the era not the series), then the black man barely got a look in. This isn�t a racist comment but a sign of that time period. It stretches reality a little too far. I think they thought if �Blazing Saddles� could do it...

      Geoff

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    • John
      Someone will have to correct me because it has been a long time since I have seen it, but there was an episode of WWW that Sammy Davis, Jr. guest starred as an
      Message 2 of 3 , Jun 1, 2011
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        Someone will have to correct me because it has been a long time since I have
        seen it, but there was an episode of WWW that Sammy Davis, Jr. guest starred
        as an agent, and I seem to remember them acknowledging in some way the extra
        difficulties he had to face as a man of color in the late 1880's. So when
        the Will Smith movie came out, all I could think about was the Davis
        episode, and how did they think they were going to pull the movie off
        considering the time period? I never saw the movie, and suspect to this day
        that I made the right decision.


        On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Geoff Willmetts <gfwillmetts@...>wrote:

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        > Hello Stephen Russell
        >
        > I never saw the original �Wild, Wild West�, although did catch
        > the return with the original actors.
        > What puzzles me most about the film version is why make it a
        > film vehicle for Will Smith? If it was true to the original West (the era
        > not the series), then the black man barely got a look in. This isn�t a
        > racist comment but a sign of that time period. It stretches reality a little
        > too far. I think they thought if �Blazing Saddles� could do it...
        >
        > Geoff


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      • secretconcierge
        Yes I do recall that episode of TWWW, but told from a civilian farmer type not from a Govt agency view like Will Smith as Jim West. Good casting & role with
        Message 3 of 3 , Jun 1, 2011
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          Yes I do recall that episode of TWWW, but told from a civilian farmer type not from a Govt agency view like Will Smith as Jim West.
          Good casting & role with Sammy Davis Jr, good plot.
          The Will Smith movie cast him as Jim West & did more antics than West would have done, & made Gordon a bufoon big time
          Movie did have Good FX, modelling, makeup IE Loveless RR train, otherwise Bad plot, acting & great costumes.




          --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Willmetts <gfwillmetts@...> wrote:
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          > Hello Dino
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          > I know what you mean about changing things in films although it's more annoying when it deviates more from the original book source. Imagine something like Jane Austen or Dickens made the American way!! `Can't Scrooge be nice' because so-&-so won't play him otherwise.
          > Then it's director indulgence as people go to see something which resembles the source. With film re-makes it's up to the viewer as to whether they want to see it or not. It depends on how much they are re-making the original film. Oddly, both second versions of `Invasion Of The Body-Snatchers' and `The Thing' are separate entities, regardless of how close to the source. For the former, it never got to the end of the book with the snatchers moving on. It's not quite the same as a new singer doing a version of an old song and not doing a different interpretation.
          >
          > James Bond is like Sherlock Holmes, getting passed to each new generation with a few tweaks. Both are made for the type of story they're portrayed in. It's only confusing because they have newer actors taking the roles.
          >
          > As to rich megalomaniacs. It isn't money they want but control of as many people as possible without using an election process. Probably the closes to this is Richard Murdock.
          >
          > I don't think the David Niven `Casino Royale' was supposed to be canon. The title got bought up before Cubby B got his hands on the Bond books.
          >
          > Hello Rob
          >
          > I take to heart what you say about the films being nothing like the original books, especially of thrillers that didn't get onto the book stands over here so we didn't see the source. I suspect a lot of the time, American directors liked the premise or title, realised there was something out there like it if they came up with the idea separately – I mean, can you see directors reading books trying to find something they can use?? – and then buying the rights. Although, saying that, I expect studios bought rights as job lots just in case they could use them and not worry about being sued.
          > One author that didn't seem to get pissed over was author Jim Thompson and for the life of me I still haven't figured why he was so revered when others weren't. I should point out that I love Thompson's books.
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          > Hello Stephen Russell
          >
          > I never saw the original `Wild, Wild West', although did catch the return with the original actors.
          > What puzzles me most about the film version is why make it a film vehicle for Will Smith? If it was true to the original West (the era not the series), then the black man barely got a look in. This isn't a racist comment but a sign of that time period. It stretches reality a little too far. I think they thought if `Blazing Saddles' could do it...
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          > Geoff
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          > ********* GF Willmetts ****************************
          > Commissioning Editor: http://www.sfcrowsnest.co.uk or http://www.computercrowsnest.co.uk
          > THE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY MAGAZINE THE E-BOOK PUBLISHER THAT TRIES HARDER
          > Between 42-48 million hits a month!!!
          >
          > WE DON'T CHOOSE OUR RANK POSITIONS, OTHERS PUT US THERE:-
          >
          > AOL AOL ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://search.aol.com/aolcom/browse?id=906&source=subcats Yahoo Yahoo ranks SFcrowsnest #4 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/ DMOZ DMOZ ranks SFcrowsnest #1 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Genres/Science_Fiction/ Google Google ranks SFcrowsnest #2 most popular SFF site on the Internet http://directory.google.com/Top/Arts/Genres/Science_Fiction_and_Fantasy/
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