Re: OT: Any Good Remakes?
- Paramount messed up badly by vascillating on the Trek revival project
during the mid-1970's. They couldn't decide whether to bring it back
as a TV or theatrical movie. It didn't help that Roddenberry from
the start wanted to do a controversial script that debated over the
nature of God, instead of doing a strong action-adventure "Balance of
Terror" type plot story.
Then George Lucas came along and surprised Hollywood by showing that
there was a market for sci-fi, of all things. Then Paramount
compounded their earlier vacillation mistakes with the decision to
rush into production, but they still didn't know which way to go.
Obviously they wanted to beat Star Wars in the area of special
effects. In their favor, they wisely decided not to venture into the
same juvenile space opera territory. So they used the more serious
approach of "2001," and combined it with a story idea from the
aborted "Genesis II" TV series ("Robot's Return"), which itself was
cobbled from original Trek's "Changeling" episode. The ultimate
trouble with ST-TMP was that there was no antagonist. V'ger turned
out to be a confused altered super space probe. And they violated
one of the tenets of the original series writer's guide, which warned
writers not to get caught up in "the wonder of it all."
For the second movie, Roddenberry wanted to do a replay of the JFK
assassination where Spock turned out to be the assassin. It wasn't
until Harve Bennett came along and decided to watch the original
episodes for source material that things improved. "Space Seed" was
one of the few episodes that left the viewer asking for more, with a
fascinating villain to boot. And the rest is history.
- The Avengers, like The Saint and a few others like Lost in Space were great movies as far
as movies go. My feeling is that they were NOT remakes though. Call them something
else. Use different titles for the movie itself. Call LIS The Space family Robinson for
They are okay and, if bought second hand or at Wal Mart, good cheap entertainment, Just
retitle the danged things!
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, <actingman@...> wrote:
> Stephen...you are the first person I have every heard who had anything positive to say
about the Avengers movie (I haven't seen it myself.)
> For the sake of this discussion, I had in mind works that started out as tv shows...Wild
Wild West, Car 54, The Avengers, etc. I don't think I would include those works that
originally started out in some other form...like most of the ones on this list that started
out in comics form.
> >Subject: Re: [probe_control] OT: Any Good Remakes?
> > From: STEPHEN RUSELL <stephenrusell@...>
> > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:08:15 -0800 (PST)
> > To: email@example.com
> >Untouchables, 1987
> > Avengers
> > Superman
> > Batman
> > Fantastic 4.
> > Hulk
> > Phantom
> > Tarzan
> > Lord of Flies
> > were Good solid remakes.
> > WWW could have MINUS WILL SMITH in role.
> > Otherwise good FX used for 1870s era.
> > Bad plot & corny acting sunk it.
> > Another WWW might be nice (minus Will Smith).