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  • dmanmetz@aol.com
    I have my own theory on this. I think most importantly, the producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There is showbiz term (which I
    Message 1 of 20 , Mar 21 8:46 PM
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      I have my own theory on this. I think most importantly, the producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There is "showbiz" term (which I cannot remember) where an actor has test score on how well they are received with an audience. His or her likeability. I think Robert Justin mentioned this in interview about two years ago. That plays a big part in who they cast. Hugh O'Brian was already set to play Lockwood and I guess he didn't want to do 23 shows for a whole season. Also, after long period of time off and movie career that didn't take off in the late 60's (Cowboy in Africa) this was his big triumphant return to TV. Since the Probe Pilot was hit, I'm sure NBC expected a lot from Search. That's when Leslie Stevens decided to hedge his bets and add two more Probes.
      Even though Tony Franciosa was fired from his late 60's critically acclaimed groundbreaking hit Name of the Game, another three star rotating series in which Leslie Stevens produced the Franciosa episodes; he was still big name in Hollywood and force to be reckoned with. He helped paved the way for Italian American leading men in the 60's on the big screen and had just missed becoming a movie star legend. Had he stayed on the road of the early promise (Hateful Rain, Rio Conchos, and Career) he showed with better movies and more Oscar caliber performances, his name would mentioned right up there with Marlon Brando and Paul Newman today. Anyway, he was the star that received the most attention in Name of Game, which I think was considered the best show on television at the time, so casting him seemed to be a no brainier. I liked the Bianco episodes, but sometimes I got tired of Tony's tough guy act. It seemed like he always went out of his way to beat somebody up as opposed Lockwood's cool calculating approach before kicking some a%# or Grover's "Jim Rockford" like approach of trying get out it. I think he was a little rough and over the top in his first Search episode "One of our Probe's is Missing", but I think he settled down in his role for the latter episodes. My favorite episodes of his were Operation: Iceman, Let us Prey, and the Clayton Lewis Documents. Don't really know what happen to his career afterwards. He had a few good roles, but was also in some junk. Did Franciosa piss off to many people in Hollywood or did he just walk away from it all.
      Although not taken as serious as an actor as O'Brian and Franciosa, Doug McClure surprised everyone and stole show from James Drury in NBC's high rated and critically acclaimed The Virginian. The show, which ran for 9 years, made McClure a star. I think at the time he was trying to kick his young (even though he was 37 at the time) sidekick image and pursue mature leading men roles and Search was his opportunity. Also, Leslie Stevens produced the Doug McClure/ Trampas episodes for the Virginian's last season under the title of "Men from Shiloh, which did a rotating wheel of four stars. This probably explains how McClure was hired for Search. Also, if you look on IMDB, Doug McClure starred in several popular and critically acclaimed movies before and after Search. Some, which I would love to see, are considered early 1970's TV movie gems. Among them: The Birdmen, Terror in the Sky (Inspired the Airplane movies),The Death of Me Yet (which I think inspired Kevin Costner's 1987 No Way Out), Playmates, with MASH's Alan Alda, Shirts/Skins, Death Race, and Satan's Triangle (which I hear is pretty damn scary to this day). I think with the failure of Search, McClure went back to what he thought was safe by being a Cowboy again in the short lived Wild, Wild West rip-off, The Barbary Coast with Captain Kirk himself, William Shatner. After that, in my own humble opinion, McClure did nothing but junk. Did McClure run out of friends in Hollywood or did he just stop caring about t his career. He and his Virginian co-star James Drury were best friends and were known in Hollywood for their drinking and partying. Although my favorite Probe, I think McClure took a little longer than O'Brian and Franciosa to channel in on his Grover role.
      Although Short Circuit is one of my favorites, McClure doesn't seem 100% comfortable on how to play the role yet. This was an episode that needed to be about 30 minutes longer with all the running around Grover does and the as much time as Grover spends in his Corvette, the projection backdrop while he is driving takes away from realism. I thought "In Search of Midas" was one of the weakest episodes in the series. I thought it was silly and that was no real danger was involved. This is the one they should have held until the end of the season instead of "The Packagers". "A Honeymoon to Kill" (the one I remember as a kid) and "The Packagers" are the very best of the Grover lot. Good stories, action, and Doug has perfected his Grover character." Numbered for Death" is good, but the new series format takes away from it. Although it has its moments, "Goddess of Destruction" just plays flat. The real highlight of "Moment of Madness" is that it is a Cameron episode with Grover on hand to assist.
      I guess the producers were shocked to see that their triple threat macho, middle aged, romantic leading men, with past hit series to their names were beat in the ratings by a fat balding non-leading man who played Matt Dillon on radio, Probe one true enemy......FRANK CANNON! Well, sorry to ramble on, but I had some time on my hands and love talking about Search.


      Chris

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
      To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:53:16 -0500
      Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads


      Other possible reasons:

      * In the early 70s, rotating dramas were NBC's unique way of
      creating multiple sets of hit series, and hedging its bet on
      failures. If one failed, you could simply replace one part of the
      wheel, rather than the whole thing. I think NBC brass decided to
      experiment with rotating leads as they did with THE NAME OF THE
      GAME earlier.
      * Once decided, the two crews shooting two different episodes makes
      sense. Interestling emough, today ER shoots four episodes
      simultaneously.
      * My original theory that O'Brian did not want to commit to a
      regular series, so other leads were brought in. However, this
      theory, upon closer examination, does not make sense, since
      Franciosa had a reputation for being difficult to work with, and
      McClure just did not fir with the concept. I think NBC overly
      researched the show and again chose three leads to hedge its bets
      against failure.

      Richard D, Perez
      Norton, MA

      ronaldheld wrote:
      > One answer is that you have three sets of teams filming. If one of
      > the shows is late for some reason, one of the other two could fill in
      > for it.
      >
      >
      > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "actingman_jc" <actingman@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Someone who found probecontrol.com wrote to me privately regarding
      > the
      > > reason for rotating leads. I have no idea, so I put it here in the
      > > forum for discussion.
      > >
      > > -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------
      > >
      > >
      > > Your website FAQ has the following entry:
      > >
      > > Why did the leads change every week?
      > >
      > > Hugh O'Brian played Lockwood in the pilot. This was his return
      > to
      > > series tv after a number of years (he was also a part owner of the
      > > show.) We don't have any definite sources as to why they decided to
      > go
      > > with rotating leads for the series, although there was precedent for
      > > this. Tony Franciosa starred in the pilot for the Name Of The Game
      > > series. When the show went to series, it had three rotating leads,
      > and
      > > Leslie Stevens worked on the show. He may have liked that set up
      > > (which made for a bigger variety of stories and styles) and always
      > > intended it for Search. Or it's possible Hugh O'Brian didn't want
      > the
      > > grind of 12 hour days for 24 straight weeks, or a variety of other
      > > possibilities. If anybody out there knows for sure, please let us
      > know.
      > >
      > >
      > > It's my understanding that the networks back in the 1970s (I'm
      > giving
      > > you a lead here to follow-up on, I'm not quoting gospel) operated
      > > quite differently (obviously) from how they'd operate today. Back
      > > then, it's my understanding that networks needed to diversify their
      > > "star power risk" with different actors who were under contract
      > with a
      > > given network (part of the problem behind the Leslie Stevens
      > departure
      > > as well).
      > >
      > > You will see evidence of this with several things that NBC did back
      > > then... an example would be the way they rotated MacMillan and Wife,
      > > McCloud, Columbo, and Banacek (another set of excellent show,
      > > incidentally) in the same manner.
      > >
      > > This is just another view that I had heard someone mention many
      > years
      > > ago and never thought anyone would be interested in such a
      > factoid...
      > > again, it's unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt... just
      > > passing it along.
      > >
      > > Again, all the finest!
      > > Phil
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • Richard D. Perez
      Greetings, I am a consultant in the media business. It bothers me that so-called true fans would get so much incorrect in this posting. The Hollywood
      Message 2 of 20 , Mar 22 5:09 AM
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        Greetings,

        I am a consultant in the media business. It bothers me that so-called
        true fans would get so much incorrect in this posting. The 'Hollywood
        buzzword' is very simple.....it's called a Q score, and it was, and
        still is used to measure star popularity.

        I corresponded heavily with Bob Justman, who was one of the principal
        architects of the Star Trek universe. He is an honest man with a passion
        for quality television.

        Unfortunately, Fred Freiberger, recently deceased, was a hack producer
        best known for making vast changes to Star Trek that caused longtime
        fans to tune out in the 1960's. His involvement also killed THE SIX
        MILLION DOLLAR MAN, another long running series. It is not surprising
        that Freiberger's meddling made a mess of SEARCH.

        While it is possible Stevens tried to help out his friend Franciosa, who
        was fired from THE NAME OF THE GAME for his arrogant attitude and
        inability to show up for shoots on time, thus wasting production money.
        However, since NBC was having success with the 'wheel' concept, I still
        suggest it was the network who suggest they try it with SEARCH.

        McClure's involvement was an effort by the actor to broaden his range,
        as most casting directors saw him as a'westerns' actor. In this regard,
        he succeeded, as he went on to play other diverse roles until his death.

        Since O'Brian is the only one still alive from the SEARCH starring cast,
        it should be the priority of this group to quiz him on these matters
        rather than fawning over him as the star of the show. A lot of these
        matters could be completely settled.

        Richard D. Perez

        dmanmetz@... wrote:
        >
        > I have my own theory on this. I think most importantly, the
        > producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There is
        > "showbiz" term (which I cannot remember) where an actor has test score
        > on how well they are received with an audience. His or her
        > likeability. I think Robert Justin mentioned this in interview about
        > two years ago. That plays a big part in who they cast. Hugh O'Brian
        > was already set to play Lockwood and I guess he didn't want to do 23
        > shows for a whole season. Also, after long period of time off and
        > movie career that didn't take off in the late 60's (Cowboy in Africa)
        > this was his big triumphant return to TV. Since the Probe Pilot was
        > hit, I'm sure NBC expected a lot from Search. That's when Leslie
        > Stevens decided to hedge his bets and add two more Probes.
        > Even though Tony Franciosa was fired from his late 60's critically
        > acclaimed groundbreaking hit Name of the Game, another three star
        > rotating series in which Leslie Stevens produced the Franciosa
        > episodes; he was still big name in Hollywood and force to be reckoned
        > with. He helped paved the way for Italian American leading men in the
        > 60's on the big screen and had just missed becoming a movie star
        > legend. Had he stayed on the road of the early promise (Hateful Rain,
        > Rio Conchos, and Career) he showed with better movies and more Oscar
        > caliber performances, his name would mentioned right up there with
        > Marlon Brando and Paul Newman today. Anyway, he was the star that
        > received the most attention in Name of Game, which I think was
        > considered the best show on television at the time, so casting him
        > seemed to be a no brainier. I liked the Bianco episodes, but sometimes
        > I got tired of Tony's tough guy act. It seemed like he always went out
        > of his way to beat somebody up as opposed Lockwood's cool calculating
        > approach before kicking some a%# or Grover's "Jim Rockford" like
        > approach of trying get out it. I think he was a little rough and over
        > the top in his first Search episode "One of our Probe's is Missing",
        > but I think he settled down in his role for the latter episodes. My
        > favorite episodes of his were Operation: Iceman, Let us Prey, and the
        > Clayton Lewis Documents. Don't really know what happen to his career
        > afterwards. He had a few good roles, but was also in some junk. Did
        > Franciosa piss off to many people in Hollywood or did he just walk
        > away from it all.
        > Although not taken as serious as an actor as O'Brian and
        > Franciosa, Doug McClure surprised everyone and stole show from James
        > Drury in NBC's high rated and critically acclaimed The Virginian. The
        > show, which ran for 9 years, made McClure a star. I think at the time
        > he was trying to kick his young (even though he was 37 at the time)
        > sidekick image and pursue mature leading men roles and Search was his
        > opportunity. Also, Leslie Stevens produced the Doug McClure/ Trampas
        > episodes for the Virginian's last season under the title of "Men from
        > Shiloh, which did a rotating wheel of four stars. This probably
        > explains how McClure was hired for Search. Also, if you look on IMDB,
        > Doug McClure starred in several popular and critically acclaimed
        > movies before and after Search. Some, which I would love to see, are
        > considered early 1970's TV movie gems. Among them: The Birdmen, Terror
        > in the Sky (Inspired the Airplane movies),The Death of Me Yet (which I
        > think inspired Kevin Costner's 1987 No Way Out), Playmates, with
        > MASH's Alan Alda, Shirts/Skins, Death Race, and Satan's Triangle
        > (which I hear is pretty damn scary to this day). I think with the
        > failure of Search, McClure went back to what he thought was safe by
        > being a Cowboy again in the short lived Wild, Wild West rip-off, The
        > Barbary Coast with Captain Kirk himself, William Shatner. After that,
        > in my own humble opinion, McClure did nothing but junk. Did McClure
        > run out of friends in Hollywood or did he just stop caring about t his
        > career. He and his Virginian co-star James Drury were best friends and
        > were known in Hollywood for their drinking and partying. Although my
        > favorite Probe, I think McClure took a little longer than O'Brian and
        > Franciosa to channel in on his Grover role.
        > Although Short Circuit is one of my favorites, McClure doesn't
        > seem 100% comfortable on how to play the role yet. This was an episode
        > that needed to be about 30 minutes longer with all the running around
        > Grover does and the as much time as Grover spends in his Corvette, the
        > projection backdrop while he is driving takes away from realism. I
        > thought "In Search of Midas" was one of the weakest episodes in the
        > series. I thought it was silly and that was no real danger was
        > involved. This is the one they should have held until the end of the
        > season instead of "The Packagers". "A Honeymoon to Kill" (the one I
        > remember as a kid) and "The Packagers" are the very best of the Grover
        > lot. Good stories, action, and Doug has perfected his Grover
        > character." Numbered for Death" is good, but the new series format
        > takes away from it. Although it has its moments, "Goddess of
        > Destruction" just plays flat. The real highlight of "Moment of
        > Madness" is that it is a Cameron episode with Grover on hand to assist.
        > I guess the producers were shocked to see that their triple
        > threat macho, middle aged, romantic leading men, with past hit series
        > to their names were beat in the ratings by a fat balding non-leading
        > man who played Matt Dillon on radio, Probe one true enemy......FRANK
        > CANNON! Well, sorry to ramble on, but I had some time on my hands and
        > love talking about Search.
        >
        >
        > Chris
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
        > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:53:16 -0500
        > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
        >
        >
        > Other possible reasons:
        >
        > * In the early 70s, rotating dramas were NBC's unique way of
        > creating multiple sets of hit series, and hedging its bet on
        > failures. If one failed, you could simply replace one part of the
        > wheel, rather than the whole thing. I think NBC brass decided to
        > experiment with rotating leads as they did with THE NAME OF THE
        > GAME earlier.
        > * Once decided, the two crews shooting two different episodes makes
        > sense. Interestling emough, today ER shoots four episodes
        > simultaneously.
        > * My original theory that O'Brian did not want to commit to a
        > regular series, so other leads were brought in. However, this
        > theory, upon closer examination, does not make sense, since
        > Franciosa had a reputation for being difficult to work with, and
        > McClure just did not fir with the concept. I think NBC overly
        > researched the show and again chose three leads to hedge its bets
        > against failure.
        >
        > Richard D, Perez
        > Norton, MA
        >
        > ronaldheld wrote:
        > > One answer is that you have three sets of teams filming. If one of
        > > the shows is late for some reason, one of the other two could fill in
        > > for it.
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "actingman_jc" <actingman@...>
        > > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Someone who found probecontrol.com wrote to me privately regarding
        > > the
        > > > reason for rotating leads. I have no idea, so I put it here in the
        > > > forum for discussion.
        > > >
        > > > -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Your website FAQ has the following entry:
        > > >
        > > > Why did the leads change every week?
        > > >
        > > > Hugh O'Brian played Lockwood in the pilot. This was his return
        > > to
        > > > series tv after a number of years (he was also a part owner of the
        > > > show.) We don't have any definite sources as to why they decided to
        > > go
        > > > with rotating leads for the series, although there was precedent for
        > > > this. Tony Franciosa starred in the pilot for the Name Of The Game
        > > > series. When the show went to series, it had three rotating leads,
        > > and
        > > > Leslie Stevens worked on the show. He may have liked that set up
        > > > (which made for a bigger variety of stories and styles) and always
        > > > intended it for Search. Or it's possible Hugh O'Brian didn't want
        > > the
        > > > grind of 12 hour days for 24 straight weeks, or a variety of other
        > > > possibilities. If anybody out there knows for sure, please let us
        > > know.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > It's my understanding that the networks back in the 1970s (I'm
        > > giving
        > > > you a lead here to follow-up on, I'm not quoting gospel) operated
        > > > quite differently (obviously) from how they'd operate today. Back
        > > > then, it's my understanding that networks needed to diversify their
        > > > "star power risk" with different actors who were under contract
        > > with a
        > > > given network (part of the problem behind the Leslie Stevens
        > > departure
        > > > as well).
        > > >
        > > > You will see evidence of this with several things that NBC did back
        > > > then... an example would be the way they rotated MacMillan and Wife,
        > > > McCloud, Columbo, and Banacek (another set of excellent show,
        > > > incidentally) in the same manner.
        > > >
        > > > This is just another view that I had heard someone mention many
        > > years
        > > > ago and never thought anyone would be interested in such a
        > > factoid...
        > > > again, it's unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt... just
        > > > passing it along.
        > > >
        > > > Again, all the finest!
        > > > Phil
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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      • Brooks Cook
        Wow Chris - that was very interesting, well written stuff! I laughed out loud with your SEARCH s most unbeatable villian, Frank Cannon stuff! Thanks! Brooks
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          Wow Chris - that was very interesting, well written stuff!

          I laughed out loud with your "SEARCH's most unbeatable villian, Frank
          Cannon" stuff!

          Thanks!

          Brooks


          On Mar 21, 2006, at 11:46 PM, dmanmetz@... wrote:

          >
          > I have my own theory on this. I think most importantly, the
          > producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There
          > is "showbiz" term (which I cannot remember) where an actor has test
          > score on how well they are received with an audience. His or her
          > likeability. I think Robert Justin mentioned this in interview
          > about two years ago. That plays a big part in who they cast. Hugh
          > O'Brian was already set to play Lockwood and I guess he didn't want
          > to do 23 shows for a whole season. Also, after long period of time
          > off and movie career that didn't take off in the late 60's (Cowboy
          > in Africa) this was his big triumphant return to TV. Since the
          > Probe Pilot was hit, I'm sure NBC expected a lot from Search.
          > That's when Leslie Stevens decided to hedge his bets and add two
          > more Probes.
          > Even though Tony Franciosa was fired from his late 60's
          > critically acclaimed groundbreaking hit Name of the Game, another
          > three star rotating series in which Leslie Stevens produced the
          > Franciosa episodes; he was still big name in Hollywood and force to
          > be reckoned with. He helped paved the way for Italian American
          > leading men in the 60's on the big screen and had just missed
          > becoming a movie star legend. Had he stayed on the road of the
          > early promise (Hateful Rain, Rio Conchos, and Career) he showed
          > with better movies and more Oscar caliber performances, his name
          > would mentioned right up there with Marlon Brando and Paul Newman
          > today. Anyway, he was the star that received the most attention in
          > Name of Game, which I think was considered the best show on
          > television at the time, so casting him seemed to be a no brainier.
          > I liked the Bianco episodes, but sometimes I got tired of Tony's
          > tough guy act. It seemed like he always went out of his way to beat
          > somebody up as opposed Lockwood's cool calculating approach before
          > kicking some a%# or Grover's "Jim Rockford" like approach of trying
          > get out it. I think he was a little rough and over the top in his
          > first Search episode "One of our Probe's is Missing", but I think
          > he settled down in his role for the latter episodes. My favorite
          > episodes of his were Operation: Iceman, Let us Prey, and the
          > Clayton Lewis Documents. Don't really know what happen to his
          > career afterwards. He had a few good roles, but was also in some
          > junk. Did Franciosa piss off to many people in Hollywood or did he
          > just walk away from it all.
          > Although not taken as serious as an actor as O'Brian and
          > Franciosa, Doug McClure surprised everyone and stole show from
          > James Drury in NBC's high rated and critically acclaimed The
          > Virginian. The show, which ran for 9 years, made McClure a star. I
          > think at the time he was trying to kick his young (even though he
          > was 37 at the time) sidekick image and pursue mature leading men
          > roles and Search was his opportunity. Also, Leslie Stevens produced
          > the Doug McClure/ Trampas episodes for the Virginian's last season
          > under the title of "Men from Shiloh, which did a rotating wheel of
          > four stars. This probably explains how McClure was hired for
          > Search. Also, if you look on IMDB, Doug McClure starred in several
          > popular and critically acclaimed movies before and after Search.
          > Some, which I would love to see, are considered early 1970's TV
          > movie gems. Among them: The Birdmen, Terror in the Sky (Inspired
          > the Airplane movies),The Death of Me Yet (which I think inspired
          > Kevin Costner's 1987 No Way Out), Playmates, with MASH's Alan Alda,
          > Shirts/Skins, Death Race, and Satan's Triangle (which I hear is
          > pretty damn scary to this day). I think with the failure of Search,
          > McClure went back to what he thought was safe by being a Cowboy
          > again in the short lived Wild, Wild West rip-off, The Barbary Coast
          > with Captain Kirk himself, William Shatner. After that, in my own
          > humble opinion, McClure did nothing but junk. Did McClure run out
          > of friends in Hollywood or did he just stop caring about t his
          > career. He and his Virginian co-star James Drury were best friends
          > and were known in Hollywood for their drinking and partying.
          > Although my favorite Probe, I think McClure took a little longer
          > than O'Brian and Franciosa to channel in on his Grover role.
          > Although Short Circuit is one of my favorites, McClure doesn't
          > seem 100% comfortable on how to play the role yet. This was an
          > episode that needed to be about 30 minutes longer with all the
          > running around Grover does and the as much time as Grover spends in
          > his Corvette, the projection backdrop while he is driving takes
          > away from realism. I thought "In Search of Midas" was one of the
          > weakest episodes in the series. I thought it was silly and that was
          > no real danger was involved. This is the one they should have held
          > until the end of the season instead of "The Packagers". "A
          > Honeymoon to Kill" (the one I remember as a kid) and "The
          > Packagers" are the very best of the Grover lot. Good stories,
          > action, and Doug has perfected his Grover character." Numbered for
          > Death" is good, but the new series format takes away from it.
          > Although it has its moments, "Goddess of Destruction" just plays
          > flat. The real highlight of "Moment of Madness" is that it is a
          > Cameron episode with Grover on hand to assist.
          > I guess the producers were shocked to see that their triple
          > threat macho, middle aged, romantic leading men, with past hit
          > series to their names were beat in the ratings by a fat balding non-
          > leading man who played Matt Dillon on radio, Probe one true
          > enemy......FRANK CANNON! Well, sorry to ramble on, but I had some
          > time on my hands and love talking about Search.
          >
          >
          > Chris
          >
          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
          > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:53:16 -0500
          > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
          >
          >
          > Other possible reasons:
          >
          > * In the early 70s, rotating dramas were NBC's unique way of
          > creating multiple sets of hit series, and hedging its bet on
          > failures. If one failed, you could simply replace one part of
          > the
          > wheel, rather than the whole thing. I think NBC brass decided to
          > experiment with rotating leads as they did with THE NAME OF THE
          > GAME earlier.
          > * Once decided, the two crews shooting two different episodes
          > makes
          > sense. Interestling emough, today ER shoots four episodes
          > simultaneously.
          > * My original theory that O'Brian did not want to commit to a
          > regular series, so other leads were brought in. However, this
          > theory, upon closer examination, does not make sense, since
          > Franciosa had a reputation for being difficult to work with, and
          > McClure just did not fir with the concept. I think NBC overly
          > researched the show and again chose three leads to hedge its
          > bets
          > against failure.
          >
          > Richard D, Perez
          > Norton, MA
          >
          > ronaldheld wrote:
          >> One answer is that you have three sets of teams filming. If one of
          >> the shows is late for some reason, one of the other two could fill in
          >> for it.
          >>
          >>
          >> --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "actingman_jc" <actingman@...>
          >> wrote:
          >>>
          >>> Someone who found probecontrol.com wrote to me privately regarding
          >> the
          >>> reason for rotating leads. I have no idea, so I put it here in the
          >>> forum for discussion.
          >>>
          >>> -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> Your website FAQ has the following entry:
          >>>
          >>> Why did the leads change every week?
          >>>
          >>> Hugh O'Brian played Lockwood in the pilot. This was his return
          >> to
          >>> series tv after a number of years (he was also a part owner of the
          >>> show.) We don't have any definite sources as to why they decided to
          >> go
          >>> with rotating leads for the series, although there was precedent for
          >>> this. Tony Franciosa starred in the pilot for the Name Of The Game
          >>> series. When the show went to series, it had three rotating leads,
          >> and
          >>> Leslie Stevens worked on the show. He may have liked that set up
          >>> (which made for a bigger variety of stories and styles) and always
          >>> intended it for Search. Or it's possible Hugh O'Brian didn't want
          >> the
          >>> grind of 12 hour days for 24 straight weeks, or a variety of other
          >>> possibilities. If anybody out there knows for sure, please let us
          >> know.
          >>>
          >>>
          >>> It's my understanding that the networks back in the 1970s (I'm
          >> giving
          >>> you a lead here to follow-up on, I'm not quoting gospel) operated
          >>> quite differently (obviously) from how they'd operate today. Back
          >>> then, it's my understanding that networks needed to diversify their
          >>> "star power risk" with different actors who were under contract
          >> with a
          >>> given network (part of the problem behind the Leslie Stevens
          >> departure
          >>> as well).
          >>>
          >>> You will see evidence of this with several things that NBC did back
          >>> then... an example would be the way they rotated MacMillan and Wife,
          >>> McCloud, Columbo, and Banacek (another set of excellent show,
          >>> incidentally) in the same manner.
          >>>
          >>> This is just another view that I had heard someone mention many
          >> years
          >>> ago and never thought anyone would be interested in such a
          >> factoid...
          >>> again, it's unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt... just
          >>> passing it along.
          >>>
          >>> Again, all the finest!
          >>> Phil
          >>>
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          Q SCORE.......THAT S IT! I sorry that bothers you Rich when so-called true fans get so much incorrect, but this is just an outlet for fun for me. I am in the
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            Q SCORE.......THAT"S IT! I sorry that bothers you Rich when so-called true fans get so much incorrect, but this is just an outlet for fun for me. I am in the military and preparing to go on a one year deployment to Iraq in a couple of months. Hopefully we won't lose anymore soldiers when I go "down range". I am tired of going to funerals and putting these kids in ground, so I apologize if I couldn't remember the "Oh so important" term........Q score. Hope I don't get an Article 15 for that. Have fun in the States with your consulting in the media business while I go off and fight a war. :)

            Chris

            -----Original Message-----
            From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
            To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:09:21 -0500
            Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads


            Greetings,

            I am a consultant in the media business. It bothers me that so-called
            true fans would get so much incorrect in this posting. The 'Hollywood
            buzzword' is very simple.....it's called a Q score, and it was, and
            still is used to measure star popularity.

            I corresponded heavily with Bob Justman, who was one of the principal
            architects of the Star Trek universe. He is an honest man with a passion
            for quality television.

            Unfortunately, Fred Freiberger, recently deceased, was a hack producer
            best known for making vast changes to Star Trek that caused longtime
            fans to tune out in the 1960's. His involvement also killed THE SIX
            MILLION DOLLAR MAN, another long running series. It is not surprising
            that Freiberger's meddling made a mess of SEARCH.

            While it is possible Stevens tried to help out his friend Franciosa, who
            was fired from THE NAME OF THE GAME for his arrogant attitude and
            inability to show up for shoots on time, thus wasting production money.
            However, since NBC was having success with the 'wheel' concept, I still
            suggest it was the network who suggest they try it with SEARCH.

            McClure's involvement was an effort by the actor to broaden his range,
            as most casting directors saw him as a'westerns' actor. In this regard,
            he succeeded, as he went on to play other diverse roles until his death.

            Since O'Brian is the only one still alive from the SEARCH starring cast,
            it should be the priority of this group to quiz him on these matters
            rather than fawning over him as the star of the show. A lot of these
            matters could be completely settled.

            Richard D. Perez

            dmanmetz@... wrote:
            >
            > I have my own theory on this. I think most importantly, the
            > producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There is
            > "showbiz" term (which I cannot remember) where an actor has test score
            > on how well they are received with an audience. His or her
            > likeability. I think Robert Justin mentioned this in interview about
            > two years ago. That plays a big part in who they cast. Hugh O'Brian
            > was already set to play Lockwood and I guess he didn't want to do 23
            > shows for a whole season. Also, after long period of time off and
            > movie career that didn't take off in the late 60's (Cowboy in Africa)
            > this was his big triumphant return to TV. Since the Probe Pilot was
            > hit, I'm sure NBC expected a lot from Search. That's when Leslie
            > Stevens decided to hedge his bets and add two more Probes.
            > Even though Tony Franciosa was fired from his late 60's critically
            > acclaimed groundbreaking hit Name of the Game, another three star
            > rotating series in which Leslie Stevens produced the Franciosa
            > episodes; he was still big name in Hollywood and force to be reckoned
            > with. He helped paved the way for Italian American leading men in the
            > 60's on the big screen and had just missed becoming a movie star
            > legend. Had he stayed on the road of the early promise (Hateful Rain,
            > Rio Conchos, and Career) he showed with better movies and more Oscar
            > caliber performances, his name would mentioned right up there with
            > Marlon Brando and Paul Newman today. Anyway, he was the star that
            > received the most attention in Name of Game, which I think was
            > considered the best show on television at the time, so casting him
            > seemed to be a no brainier. I liked the Bianco episodes, but sometimes
            > I got tired of Tony's tough guy act. It seemed like he always went out
            > of his way to beat somebody up as opposed Lockwood's cool calculating
            > approach before kicking some a%# or Grover's "Jim Rockford" like
            > approach of trying get out it. I think he was a little rough and over
            > the top in his first Search episode "One of our Probe's is Missing",
            > but I think he settled down in his role for the latter episodes. My
            > favorite episodes of his were Operation: Iceman, Let us Prey, and the
            > Clayton Lewis Documents. Don't really know what happen to his career
            > afterwards. He had a few good roles, but was also in some junk. Did
            > Franciosa piss off to many people in Hollywood or did he just walk
            > away from it all.
            > Although not taken as serious as an actor as O'Brian and
            > Franciosa, Doug McClure surprised everyone and stole show from James
            > Drury in NBC's high rated and critically acclaimed The Virginian. The
            > show, which ran for 9 years, made McClure a star. I think at the time
            > he was trying to kick his young (even though he was 37 at the time)
            > sidekick image and pursue mature leading men roles and Search was his
            > opportunity. Also, Leslie Stevens produced the Doug McClure/ Trampas
            > episodes for the Virginian's last season under the title of "Men from
            > Shiloh, which did a rotating wheel of four stars. This probably
            > explains how McClure was hired for Search. Also, if you look on IMDB,
            > Doug McClure starred in several popular and critically acclaimed
            > movies before and after Search. Some, which I would love to see, are
            > considered early 1970's TV movie gems. Among them: The Birdmen, Terror
            > in the Sky (Inspired the Airplane movies),The Death of Me Yet (which I
            > think inspired Kevin Costner's 1987 No Way Out), Playmates, with
            > MASH's Alan Alda, Shirts/Skins, Death Race, and Satan's Triangle
            > (which I hear is pretty damn scary to this day). I think with the
            > failure of Search, McClure went back to what he thought was safe by
            > being a Cowboy again in the short lived Wild, Wild West rip-off, The
            > Barbary Coast with Captain Kirk himself, William Shatner. After that,
            > in my own humble opinion, McClure did nothing but junk. Did McClure
            > run out of friends in Hollywood or did he just stop caring about t his
            > career. He and his Virginian co-star James Drury were best friends and
            > were known in Hollywood for their drinking and partying. Although my
            > favorite Probe, I think McClure took a little longer than O'Brian and
            > Franciosa to channel in on his Grover role.
            > Although Short Circuit is one of my favorites, McClure doesn't
            > seem 100% comfortable on how to play the role yet. This was an episode
            > that needed to be about 30 minutes longer with all the running around
            > Grover does and the as much time as Grover spends in his Corvette, the
            > projection backdrop while he is driving takes away from realism. I
            > thought "In Search of Midas" was one of the weakest episodes in the
            > series. I thought it was silly and that was no real danger was
            > involved. This is the one they should have held until the end of the
            > season instead of "The Packagers". "A Honeymoon to Kill" (the one I
            > remember as a kid) and "The Packagers" are the very best of the Grover
            > lot. Good stories, action, and Doug has perfected his Grover
            > character." Numbered for Death" is good, but the new series format
            > takes away from it. Although it has its moments, "Goddess of
            > Destruction" just plays flat. The real highlight of "Moment of
            > Madness" is that it is a Cameron episode with Grover on hand to assist.
            > I guess the producers were shocked to see that their triple
            > threat macho, middle aged, romantic leading men, with past hit series
            > to their names were beat in the ratings by a fat balding non-leading
            > man who played Matt Dillon on radio, Probe one true enemy......FRANK
            > CANNON! Well, sorry to ramble on, but I had some time on my hands and
            > love talking about Search.
            >
            >
            > Chris
            >
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
            > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:53:16 -0500
            > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
            >
            >
            > Other possible reasons:
            >
            > * In the early 70s, rotating dramas were NBC's unique way of
            > creating multiple sets of hit series, and hedging its bet on
            > failures. If one failed, you could simply replace one part of the
            > wheel, rather than the whole thing. I think NBC brass decided to
            > experiment with rotating leads as they did with THE NAME OF THE
            > GAME earlier.
            > * Once decided, the two crews shooting two different episodes makes
            > sense. Interestling emough, today ER shoots four episodes
            > simultaneously.
            > * My original theory that O'Brian did not want to commit to a
            > regular series, so other leads were brought in. However, this
            > theory, upon closer examination, does not make sense, since
            > Franciosa had a reputation for being difficult to work with, and
            > McClure just did not fir with the concept. I think NBC overly
            > researched the show and again chose three leads to hedge its bets
            > against failure.
            >
            > Richard D, Perez
            > Norton, MA
            >
            > ronaldheld wrote:
            > > One answer is that you have three sets of teams filming. If one of
            > > the shows is late for some reason, one of the other two could fill in
            > > for it.
            > >
            > >
            > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "actingman_jc" <actingman@...>
            > > wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Someone who found probecontrol.com wrote to me privately regarding
            > > the
            > > > reason for rotating leads. I have no idea, so I put it here in the
            > > > forum for discussion.
            > > >
            > > > -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Your website FAQ has the following entry:
            > > >
            > > > Why did the leads change every week?
            > > >
            > > > Hugh O'Brian played Lockwood in the pilot. This was his return
            > > to
            > > > series tv after a number of years (he was also a part owner of the
            > > > show.) We don't have any definite sources as to why they decided to
            > > go
            > > > with rotating leads for the series, although there was precedent for
            > > > this. Tony Franciosa starred in the pilot for the Name Of The Game
            > > > series. When the show went to series, it had three rotating leads,
            > > and
            > > > Leslie Stevens worked on the show. He may have liked that set up
            > > > (which made for a bigger variety of stories and styles) and always
            > > > intended it for Search. Or it's possible Hugh O'Brian didn't want
            > > the
            > > > grind of 12 hour days for 24 straight weeks, or a variety of other
            > > > possibilities. If anybody out there knows for sure, please let us
            > > know.
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > It's my understanding that the networks back in the 1970s (I'm
            > > giving
            > > > you a lead here to follow-up on, I'm not quoting gospel) operated
            > > > quite differently (obviously) from how they'd operate today. Back
            > > > then, it's my understanding that networks needed to diversify their
            > > > "star power risk" with different actors who were under contract
            > > with a
            > > > given network (part of the problem behind the Leslie Stevens
            > > departure
            > > > as well).
            > > >
            > > > You will see evidence of this with several things that NBC did back
            > > > then... an example would be the way they rotated MacMillan and Wife,
            > > > McCloud, Columbo, and Banacek (another set of excellent show,
            > > > incidentally) in the same manner.
            > > >
            > > > This is just another view that I had heard someone mention many
            > > years
            > > > ago and never thought anyone would be interested in such a
            > > factoid...
            > > > again, it's unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt... just
            > > > passing it along.
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            > > > Phil
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          • Brooks Cook
            ... WELL DONE, CHRIS! As I read his response, I was like Yikes! This cat seems a might salty here. We re just just a bunch of fans havin some fun... Dude,
            Message 5 of 20 , Mar 22 8:29 AM
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              On Mar 22, 2006, at 11:23 AM, dmanmetz@... wrote:

              > Q SCORE.......THAT"S IT! I sorry that bothers you Rich when so-
              > called true fans get so much incorrect, but this is just an outlet
              > for fun for me. I am in the military and preparing to go on a one
              > year deployment to Iraq in a couple of months. Hopefully we won't
              > lose anymore soldiers when I go "down range". I am tired of going
              > to funerals and putting these kids in ground, so I apologize if I
              > couldn't remember the "Oh so important" term........Q score. Hope I
              > don't get an Article 15 for that. Have fun in the States with your
              > consulting in the media business while I go off and fight a war. :)
              >
              > Chris

              WELL DONE, CHRIS!

              As I read his response, I was like "Yikes! This cat seems a might
              salty here. We're just just a bunch of fans havin' some fun..."

              Dude, GOOD LUCK with that!!! Sort of puts all of our stateside
              problems in a wee bit of proper perspective.

              By the time you get back, the entire SEARCH Yahoo Group will have
              grilled Mr. O'Brian extensively (having rigged him up to the latest
              lie detector machine) and have all his answers in alphabetical order.
              Hopefully, that will suffice.

              Take care, Chris!

              Brooks
            • actingman@mindspring.com
              I dunno...I hope you do get a few Article 15 s...then maybe they won t send you over there. One aspect about Fred Freiberger that I want to address here
              Message 6 of 20 , Mar 22 10:19 AM
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                I dunno...I hope you do get a few Article 15's...then maybe they won't send you over there.

                One aspect about Fred Freiberger that I want to address here attached to your message Chris, after Richard brought his name into it (and I wrote this on a Space:1999 mailing list): I learned only after FF's passing that he flew bomber missions over Germany in WWII, and he was shot down, and he was a prisoner of war.

                So I regret that I was never in his lifetime able to thank him for his service to this country.

                And so I now always refer to him as "Mr. Freiberger."

                And Chris, I thank you for your service.

                This list should be the last thing on your mind over there, but if you wish, please drop us a line when you can.

                -----Original Message-----
                >From: dmanmetz@...
                >Sent: Mar 22, 2006 11:23 AM
                >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
                >
                > Q SCORE.......THAT"S IT! I sorry that bothers you Rich when so-called true fans get so much incorrect, but this is just an outlet for fun for me. I am in the military and preparing to go on a one year deployment to Iraq in a couple of months. Hopefully we won't lose anymore soldiers when I go "down range". I am tired of going to funerals and putting these kids in ground, so I apologize if I couldn't remember the "Oh so important" term........Q score. Hope I don't get an Article 15 for that. Have fun in the States with your consulting in the media business while I go off and fight a war. :)
                >
                >Chris
                >
                >-----Original Message-----
                >From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
                >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                >Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:09:21 -0500
                >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
                >
                >
                >Greetings,
                >
                >I am a consultant in the media business. It bothers me that so-called
                >true fans would get so much incorrect in this posting. The 'Hollywood
                >buzzword' is very simple.....it's called a Q score, and it was, and
                >still is used to measure star popularity.
                >
                >I corresponded heavily with Bob Justman, who was one of the principal
                >architects of the Star Trek universe. He is an honest man with a passion
                >for quality television.
                >
                >Unfortunately, Fred Freiberger, recently deceased, was a hack producer
                >best known for making vast changes to Star Trek that caused longtime
                >fans to tune out in the 1960's. His involvement also killed THE SIX
                >MILLION DOLLAR MAN, another long running series. It is not surprising
                >that Freiberger's meddling made a mess of SEARCH.
                >
                >While it is possible Stevens tried to help out his friend Franciosa, who
                >was fired from THE NAME OF THE GAME for his arrogant attitude and
                >inability to show up for shoots on time, thus wasting production money.
                >However, since NBC was having success with the 'wheel' concept, I still
                >suggest it was the network who suggest they try it with SEARCH.
                >
                >McClure's involvement was an effort by the actor to broaden his range,
                >as most casting directors saw him as a'westerns' actor. In this regard,
                >he succeeded, as he went on to play other diverse roles until his death.
                >
                >Since O'Brian is the only one still alive from the SEARCH starring cast,
                >it should be the priority of this group to quiz him on these matters
                >rather than fawning over him as the star of the show. A lot of these
                >matters could be completely settled.
                >
                >Richard D. Perez
              • Brooks Cook
                ... Agreed, Actingman! Chris, if you can - please do.
                Message 7 of 20 , Mar 22 10:27 AM
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                  On Mar 22, 2006, at 1:19 PM, actingman@... wrote:
                  >
                  > This list should be the last thing on your mind over there, but if
                  > you wish, please drop us a line when you can.


                  Agreed, Actingman!

                  Chris, if you can - please do.
                • Richard D. Perez
                  Well, it is admirable that Freiberger served our country, but whatever damage they did to him as a POW obviously affected his work. He is credited with
                  Message 8 of 20 , Mar 22 10:38 AM
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                    Well, it is admirable that Freiberger served our country, but whatever
                    damage they did to him as a POW obviously affected his work. He is
                    credited with destroying some really great programs, SPACE: 1999 being
                    another. The changes he made caused the show to become unwatchable.

                    Richard D. Perez

                    PS, as a Proud Republican living in a Very Blue State, I also salute all
                    servicemen who are making this world safer by wiping out terrorists.

                    actingman@... wrote:
                    > I dunno...I hope you do get a few Article 15's...then maybe they won't
                    > send you over there.
                    >
                    > One aspect about Fred Freiberger that I want to address here attached
                    > to your message Chris, after Richard brought his name into it (and I
                    > wrote this on a Space:1999 mailing list): I learned only after FF's
                    > passing that he flew bomber missions over Germany in WWII, and he was
                    > shot down, and he was a prisoner of war.
                    >
                    > So I regret that I was never in his lifetime able to thank him for his
                    > service to this country.
                    >
                    > And so I now always refer to him as "Mr. Freiberger."
                    >
                    > And Chris, I thank you for your service.
                    >
                    > This list should be the last thing on your mind over there, but if you
                    > wish, please drop us a line when you can.
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > >From: dmanmetz@...
                    > >Sent: Mar 22, 2006 11:23 AM
                    > >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                    > >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
                    > >
                    > > Q SCORE.......THAT"S IT! I sorry that bothers you Rich when
                    > so-called true fans get so much incorrect, but this is just an outlet
                    > for fun for me. I am in the military and preparing to go on a one
                    > year deployment to Iraq in a couple of months. Hopefully we won't
                    > lose anymore soldiers when I go "down range". I am tired of going to
                    > funerals and putting these kids in ground, so I apologize if I
                    > couldn't remember the "Oh so important" term........Q score. Hope I
                    > don't get an Article 15 for that. Have fun in the States with your
                    > consulting in the media business while I go off and fight a war. :)
                    > >
                    > >Chris
                    > >
                    > >-----Original Message-----
                    > >From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
                    > >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                    > >Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:09:21 -0500
                    > >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >Greetings,
                    > >
                    > >I am a consultant in the media business. It bothers me that so-called
                    > >true fans would get so much incorrect in this posting. The 'Hollywood
                    > >buzzword' is very simple.....it's called a Q score, and it was, and
                    > >still is used to measure star popularity.
                    > >
                    > >I corresponded heavily with Bob Justman, who was one of the principal
                    > >architects of the Star Trek universe. He is an honest man with a passion
                    > >for quality television.
                    > >
                    > >Unfortunately, Fred Freiberger, recently deceased, was a hack producer
                    > >best known for making vast changes to Star Trek that caused longtime
                    > >fans to tune out in the 1960's. His involvement also killed THE SIX
                    > >MILLION DOLLAR MAN, another long running series. It is not surprising
                    > >that Freiberger's meddling made a mess of SEARCH.
                    > >
                    > >While it is possible Stevens tried to help out his friend Franciosa, who
                    > >was fired from THE NAME OF THE GAME for his arrogant attitude and
                    > >inability to show up for shoots on time, thus wasting production money.
                    > >However, since NBC was having success with the 'wheel' concept, I still
                    > >suggest it was the network who suggest they try it with SEARCH.
                    > >
                    > >McClure's involvement was an effort by the actor to broaden his range,
                    > >as most casting directors saw him as a'westerns' actor. In this regard,
                    > >he succeeded, as he went on to play other diverse roles until his death.
                    > >
                    > >Since O'Brian is the only one still alive from the SEARCH starring cast,
                    > >it should be the priority of this group to quiz him on these matters
                    > >rather than fawning over him as the star of the show. A lot of these
                    > >matters could be completely settled.
                    > >
                    > >Richard D. Perez
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                  • actingman@mindspring.com
                    Speaking of getting something incorrect in this posting : Why do you bring up Fred Freiberger? He had NO involvement in Search whatsoever...unless Mr.
                    Message 9 of 20 , Mar 22 10:56 AM
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                      Speaking of getting something "incorrect in this posting": Why do you bring up Fred Freiberger? He had NO involvement in Search whatsoever...unless Mr. Justman told you something about his being an uncredited consultant to the show that the rest of us have never heard about up until now.

                      And can we have some equal criticism for Mr. Roddenberry, who basically bailed on Trek for the third season because he didn't feel it was worth the effort with a Friday night 10pm time slot? (And though this isn't the forum for it...although I don't mind off-topic discussions on other shows...I've read lots of critical discussion suggesting that Trek started to decline in it's second season...so I reject the all Freiberger all the time blame.)

                      And I get so tired about the Six Million Dollar Man reference. I for one bailed on that show long before Mr. Freiberger took over the final season...in fact I did not know until years later that he had joined the show. If I had known that, I would have watched that final season. (I had also bailed on Bionic Woman at the same time...only having watched the first couple of episodes when it moved to NBC to see what changes would occur.)

                      I do applaud you Richard for not bringing up Wild Wild West as some mistakenly do...since he actually worked the first season of that show, and therefore would be entitled to that as a "win" in his column since that show ran 4 years...if we are going to score in that fashion.

                      I have never been able to decide on FF in my own mind. I know the pros and cons on his work. I have never understood the anger though, that some people express towards him. Maybe he would have been a better fit in Irwin Allen's company...but that never happened.

                      For every show that Mr. Freiberger worked on, there was an executive producer who hired him...and knew what they were getting...and let him have his way.



                      -----Original Message-----
                      >From: "Richard D. Perez" <richardperez@...>
                      >Sent: Mar 22, 2006 8:09 AM
                      >To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                      >Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
                      >
                      >Greetings,
                      >
                      >I am a consultant in the media business. It bothers me that so-called
                      >true fans would get so much incorrect in this posting. The 'Hollywood
                      >buzzword' is very simple.....it's called a Q score, and it was, and
                      >still is used to measure star popularity.
                      >
                      >I corresponded heavily with Bob Justman, who was one of the principal
                      >architects of the Star Trek universe. He is an honest man with a passion
                      >for quality television.
                      >
                      >Unfortunately, Fred Freiberger, recently deceased, was a hack producer
                      >best known for making vast changes to Star Trek that caused longtime
                      >fans to tune out in the 1960's. His involvement also killed THE SIX
                      >MILLION DOLLAR MAN, another long running series. It is not surprising
                      >that Freiberger's meddling made a mess of SEARCH.
                      >
                      >While it is possible Stevens tried to help out his friend Franciosa, who
                      >was fired from THE NAME OF THE GAME for his arrogant attitude and
                      >inability to show up for shoots on time, thus wasting production money.
                      >However, since NBC was having success with the 'wheel' concept, I still
                      >suggest it was the network who suggest they try it with SEARCH.
                      >
                      >McClure's involvement was an effort by the actor to broaden his range,
                      >as most casting directors saw him as a'westerns' actor. In this regard,
                      >he succeeded, as he went on to play other diverse roles until his death.
                      >
                      >Since O'Brian is the only one still alive from the SEARCH starring cast,
                      >it should be the priority of this group to quiz him on these matters
                      >rather than fawning over him as the star of the show. A lot of these
                      >matters could be completely settled.
                      >
                      >Richard D. Perez
                      >
                      >dmanmetz@... wrote:
                      >>
                      >> I have my own theory on this. I think most importantly, the
                      >> producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There is
                      >> "showbiz" term (which I cannot remember) where an actor has test score
                      >> on how well they are received with an audience. His or her
                      >> likeability. I think Robert Justin mentioned this in interview about
                      >> two years ago. That plays a big part in who they cast. Hugh O'Brian
                      >> was already set to play Lockwood and I guess he didn't want to do 23
                      >> shows for a whole season. Also, after long period of time off and
                      >> movie career that didn't take off in the late 60's (Cowboy in Africa)
                      >> this was his big triumphant return to TV. Since the Probe Pilot was
                      >> hit, I'm sure NBC expected a lot from Search. That's when Leslie
                      >> Stevens decided to hedge his bets and add two more Probes.
                      >> Even though Tony Franciosa was fired from his late 60's critically
                      >> acclaimed groundbreaking hit Name of the Game, another three star
                      >> rotating series in which Leslie Stevens produced the Franciosa
                      >> episodes; he was still big name in Hollywood and force to be reckoned
                      >> with. He helped paved the way for Italian American leading men in the
                      >> 60's on the big screen and had just missed becoming a movie star
                      >> legend. Had he stayed on the road of the early promise (Hateful Rain,
                      >> Rio Conchos, and Career) he showed with better movies and more Oscar
                      >> caliber performances, his name would mentioned right up there with
                      >> Marlon Brando and Paul Newman today. Anyway, he was the star that
                      >> received the most attention in Name of Game, which I think was
                      >> considered the best show on television at the time, so casting him
                      >> seemed to be a no brainier. I liked the Bianco episodes, but sometimes
                      >> I got tired of Tony's tough guy act. It seemed like he always went out
                      >> of his way to beat somebody up as opposed Lockwood's cool calculating
                      >> approach before kicking some a%# or Grover's "Jim Rockford" like
                      >> approach of trying get out it. I think he was a little rough and over
                      >> the top in his first Search episode "One of our Probe's is Missing",
                      >> but I think he settled down in his role for the latter episodes. My
                      >> favorite episodes of his were Operation: Iceman, Let us Prey, and the
                      >> Clayton Lewis Documents. Don't really know what happen to his career
                      >> afterwards. He had a few good roles, but was also in some junk. Did
                      >> Franciosa piss off to many people in Hollywood or did he just walk
                      >> away from it all.
                      >> Although not taken as serious as an actor as O'Brian and
                      >> Franciosa, Doug McClure surprised everyone and stole show from James
                      >> Drury in NBC's high rated and critically acclaimed The Virginian. The
                      >> show, which ran for 9 years, made McClure a star. I think at the time
                      >> he was trying to kick his young (even though he was 37 at the time)
                      >> sidekick image and pursue mature leading men roles and Search was his
                      >> opportunity. Also, Leslie Stevens produced the Doug McClure/ Trampas
                      >> episodes for the Virginian's last season under the title of "Men from
                      >> Shiloh, which did a rotating wheel of four stars. This probably
                      >> explains how McClure was hired for Search. Also, if you look on IMDB,
                      >> Doug McClure starred in several popular and critically acclaimed
                      >> movies before and after Search. Some, which I would love to see, are
                      >> considered early 1970's TV movie gems. Among them: The Birdmen, Terror
                      >> in the Sky (Inspired the Airplane movies),The Death of Me Yet (which I
                      >> think inspired Kevin Costner's 1987 No Way Out), Playmates, with
                      >> MASH's Alan Alda, Shirts/Skins, Death Race, and Satan's Triangle
                      >> (which I hear is pretty damn scary to this day). I think with the
                      >> failure of Search, McClure went back to what he thought was safe by
                      >> being a Cowboy again in the short lived Wild, Wild West rip-off, The
                      >> Barbary Coast with Captain Kirk himself, William Shatner. After that,
                      >> in my own humble opinion, McClure did nothing but junk. Did McClure
                      >> run out of friends in Hollywood or did he just stop caring about t his
                      >> career. He and his Virginian co-star James Drury were best friends and
                      >> were known in Hollywood for their drinking and partying. Although my
                      >> favorite Probe, I think McClure took a little longer than O'Brian and
                      >> Franciosa to channel in on his Grover role.
                      >> Although Short Circuit is one of my favorites, McClure doesn't
                      >> seem 100% comfortable on how to play the role yet. This was an episode
                      >> that needed to be about 30 minutes longer with all the running around
                      >> Grover does and the as much time as Grover spends in his Corvette, the
                      >> projection backdrop while he is driving takes away from realism. I
                      >> thought "In Search of Midas" was one of the weakest episodes in the
                      >> series. I thought it was silly and that was no real danger was
                      >> involved. This is the one they should have held until the end of the
                      >> season instead of "The Packagers". "A Honeymoon to Kill" (the one I
                      >> remember as a kid) and "The Packagers" are the very best of the Grover
                      >> lot. Good stories, action, and Doug has perfected his Grover
                      >> character." Numbered for Death" is good, but the new series format
                      >> takes away from it. Although it has its moments, "Goddess of
                      >> Destruction" just plays flat. The real highlight of "Moment of
                      >> Madness" is that it is a Cameron episode with Grover on hand to assist.
                      >> I guess the producers were shocked to see that their triple
                      >> threat macho, middle aged, romantic leading men, with past hit series
                      >> to their names were beat in the ratings by a fat balding non-leading
                      >> man who played Matt Dillon on radio, Probe one true enemy......FRANK
                      >> CANNON! Well, sorry to ramble on, but I had some time on my hands and
                      >> love talking about Search.
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Chris
                      >>
                      >> -----Original Message-----
                      >> From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
                      >> To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                      >> Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:53:16 -0500
                      >> Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Other possible reasons:
                      >>
                      >> * In the early 70s, rotating dramas were NBC's unique way of
                      >> creating multiple sets of hit series, and hedging its bet on
                      >> failures. If one failed, you could simply replace one part of the
                      >> wheel, rather than the whole thing. I think NBC brass decided to
                      >> experiment with rotating leads as they did with THE NAME OF THE
                      >> GAME earlier.
                      >> * Once decided, the two crews shooting two different episodes makes
                      >> sense. Interestling emough, today ER shoots four episodes
                      >> simultaneously.
                      >> * My original theory that O'Brian did not want to commit to a
                      >> regular series, so other leads were brought in. However, this
                      >> theory, upon closer examination, does not make sense, since
                      >> Franciosa had a reputation for being difficult to work with, and
                      >> McClure just did not fir with the concept. I think NBC overly
                      >> researched the show and again chose three leads to hedge its bets
                      >> against failure.
                      >>
                      >> Richard D, Perez
                      >> Norton, MA
                      >>
                      >> ronaldheld wrote:
                      >> > One answer is that you have three sets of teams filming. If one of
                      >> > the shows is late for some reason, one of the other two could fill in
                      >> > for it.
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "actingman_jc" <actingman@...>
                      >> > wrote:
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Someone who found probecontrol.com wrote to me privately regarding
                      >> > the
                      >> > > reason for rotating leads. I have no idea, so I put it here in the
                      >> > > forum for discussion.
                      >> > >
                      >> > > -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------
                      >> > >
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Your website FAQ has the following entry:
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Why did the leads change every week?
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Hugh O'Brian played Lockwood in the pilot. This was his return
                      >> > to
                      >> > > series tv after a number of years (he was also a part owner of the
                      >> > > show.) We don't have any definite sources as to why they decided to
                      >> > go
                      >> > > with rotating leads for the series, although there was precedent for
                      >> > > this. Tony Franciosa starred in the pilot for the Name Of The Game
                      >> > > series. When the show went to series, it had three rotating leads,
                      >> > and
                      >> > > Leslie Stevens worked on the show. He may have liked that set up
                      >> > > (which made for a bigger variety of stories and styles) and always
                      >> > > intended it for Search. Or it's possible Hugh O'Brian didn't want
                      >> > the
                      >> > > grind of 12 hour days for 24 straight weeks, or a variety of other
                      >> > > possibilities. If anybody out there knows for sure, please let us
                      >> > know.
                      >> > >
                      >> > >
                      >> > > It's my understanding that the networks back in the 1970s (I'm
                      >> > giving
                      >> > > you a lead here to follow-up on, I'm not quoting gospel) operated
                      >> > > quite differently (obviously) from how they'd operate today. Back
                      >> > > then, it's my understanding that networks needed to diversify their
                      >> > > "star power risk" with different actors who were under contract
                      >> > with a
                      >> > > given network (part of the problem behind the Leslie Stevens
                      >> > departure
                      >> > > as well).
                      >> > >
                      >> > > You will see evidence of this with several things that NBC did back
                      >> > > then... an example would be the way they rotated MacMillan and Wife,
                      >> > > McCloud, Columbo, and Banacek (another set of excellent show,
                      >> > > incidentally) in the same manner.
                      >> > >
                      >> > > This is just another view that I had heard someone mention many
                      >> > years
                      >> > > ago and never thought anyone would be interested in such a
                      >> > factoid...
                      >> > > again, it's unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt... just
                      >> > > passing it along.
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Again, all the finest!
                      >> > > Phil
                      >> > >
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                      Thanks, glad you liked it. Almost forgot what the whole point to all this was. (LOL) Chris ... From: Brooks Cook To:
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                        Thanks, glad you liked it. Almost forgot what the whole point to all this was. (LOL)

                        Chris

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: Brooks Cook <brooks@...>
                        To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:41:16 -0500
                        Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads


                        Wow Chris - that was very interesting, well written stuff!

                        I laughed out loud with your "SEARCH's most unbeatable villian, Frank
                        Cannon" stuff!

                        Thanks!

                        Brooks


                        On Mar 21, 2006, at 11:46 PM, dmanmetz@... wrote:

                        >
                        > I have my own theory on this. I think most importantly, the
                        > producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There
                        > is "showbiz" term (which I cannot remember) where an actor has test
                        > score on how well they are received with an audience. His or her
                        > likeability. I think Robert Justin mentioned this in interview
                        > about two years ago. That plays a big part in who they cast. Hugh
                        > O'Brian was already set to play Lockwood and I guess he didn't want
                        > to do 23 shows for a whole season. Also, after long period of time
                        > off and movie career that didn't take off in the late 60's (Cowboy
                        > in Africa) this was his big triumphant return to TV. Since the
                        > Probe Pilot was hit, I'm sure NBC expected a lot from Search.
                        > That's when Leslie Stevens decided to hedge his bets and add two
                        > more Probes.
                        > Even though Tony Franciosa was fired from his late 60's
                        > critically acclaimed groundbreaking hit Name of the Game, another
                        > three star rotating series in which Leslie Stevens produced the
                        > Franciosa episodes; he was still big name in Hollywood and force to
                        > be reckoned with. He helped paved the way for Italian American
                        > leading men in the 60's on the big screen and had just missed
                        > becoming a movie star legend. Had he stayed on the road of the
                        > early promise (Hateful Rain, Rio Conchos, and Career) he showed
                        > with better movies and more Oscar caliber performances, his name
                        > would mentioned right up there with Marlon Brando and Paul Newman
                        > today. Anyway, he was the star that received the most attention in
                        > Name of Game, which I think was considered the best show on
                        > television at the time, so casting him seemed to be a no brainier.
                        > I liked the Bianco episodes, but sometimes I got tired of Tony's
                        > tough guy act. It seemed like he always went out of his way to beat
                        > somebody up as opposed Lockwood's cool calculating approach before
                        > kicking some a%# or Grover's "Jim Rockford" like approach of trying
                        > get out it. I think he was a little rough and over the top in his
                        > first Search episode "One of our Probe's is Missing", but I think
                        > he settled down in his role for the latter episodes. My favorite
                        > episodes of his were Operation: Iceman, Let us Prey, and the
                        > Clayton Lewis Documents. Don't really know what happen to his
                        > career afterwards. He had a few good roles, but was also in some
                        > junk. Did Franciosa piss off to many people in Hollywood or did he
                        > just walk away from it all.
                        > Although not taken as serious as an actor as O'Brian and
                        > Franciosa, Doug McClure surprised everyone and stole show from
                        > James Drury in NBC's high rated and critically acclaimed The
                        > Virginian. The show, which ran for 9 years, made McClure a star. I
                        > think at the time he was trying to kick his young (even though he
                        > was 37 at the time) sidekick image and pursue mature leading men
                        > roles and Search was his opportunity. Also, Leslie Stevens produced
                        > the Doug McClure/ Trampas episodes for the Virginian's last season
                        > under the title of "Men from Shiloh, which did a rotating wheel of
                        > four stars. This probably explains how McClure was hired for
                        > Search. Also, if you look on IMDB, Doug McClure starred in several
                        > popular and critically acclaimed movies before and after Search.
                        > Some, which I would love to see, are considered early 1970's TV
                        > movie gems. Among them: The Birdmen, Terror in the Sky (Inspired
                        > the Airplane movies),The Death of Me Yet (which I think inspired
                        > Kevin Costner's 1987 No Way Out), Playmates, with MASH's Alan Alda,
                        > Shirts/Skins, Death Race, and Satan's Triangle (which I hear is
                        > pretty damn scary to this day). I think with the failure of Search,
                        > McClure went back to what he thought was safe by being a Cowboy
                        > again in the short lived Wild, Wild West rip-off, The Barbary Coast
                        > with Captain Kirk himself, William Shatner. After that, in my own
                        > humble opinion, McClure did nothing but junk. Did McClure run out
                        > of friends in Hollywood or did he just stop caring about t his
                        > career. He and his Virginian co-star James Drury were best friends
                        > and were known in Hollywood for their drinking and partying.
                        > Although my favorite Probe, I think McClure took a little longer
                        > than O'Brian and Franciosa to channel in on his Grover role.
                        > Although Short Circuit is one of my favorites, McClure doesn't
                        > seem 100% comfortable on how to play the role yet. This was an
                        > episode that needed to be about 30 minutes longer with all the
                        > running around Grover does and the as much time as Grover spends in
                        > his Corvette, the projection backdrop while he is driving takes
                        > away from realism. I thought "In Search of Midas" was one of the
                        > weakest episodes in the series. I thought it was silly and that was
                        > no real danger was involved. This is the one they should have held
                        > until the end of the season instead of "The Packagers". "A
                        > Honeymoon to Kill" (the one I remember as a kid) and "The
                        > Packagers" are the very best of the Grover lot. Good stories,
                        > action, and Doug has perfected his Grover character." Numbered for
                        > Death" is good, but the new series format takes away from it.
                        > Although it has its moments, "Goddess of Destruction" just plays
                        > flat. The real highlight of "Moment of Madness" is that it is a
                        > Cameron episode with Grover on hand to assist.
                        > I guess the producers were shocked to see that their triple
                        > threat macho, middle aged, romantic leading men, with past hit
                        > series to their names were beat in the ratings by a fat balding non-
                        > leading man who played Matt Dillon on radio, Probe one true
                        > enemy......FRANK CANNON! Well, sorry to ramble on, but I had some
                        > time on my hands and love talking about Search.
                        >
                        >
                        > Chris
                        >
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
                        > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:53:16 -0500
                        > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
                        >
                        >
                        > Other possible reasons:
                        >
                        > * In the early 70s, rotating dramas were NBC's unique way of
                        > creating multiple sets of hit series, and hedging its bet on
                        > failures. If one failed, you could simply replace one part of
                        > the
                        > wheel, rather than the whole thing. I think NBC brass decided to
                        > experiment with rotating leads as they did with THE NAME OF THE
                        > GAME earlier.
                        > * Once decided, the two crews shooting two different episodes
                        > makes
                        > sense. Interestling emough, today ER shoots four episodes
                        > simultaneously.
                        > * My original theory that O'Brian did not want to commit to a
                        > regular series, so other leads were brought in. However, this
                        > theory, upon closer examination, does not make sense, since
                        > Franciosa had a reputation for being difficult to work with, and
                        > McClure just did not fir with the concept. I think NBC overly
                        > researched the show and again chose three leads to hedge its
                        > bets
                        > against failure.
                        >
                        > Richard D, Perez
                        > Norton, MA
                        >
                        > ronaldheld wrote:
                        >> One answer is that you have three sets of teams filming. If one of
                        >> the shows is late for some reason, one of the other two could fill in
                        >> for it.
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "actingman_jc" <actingman@...>
                        >> wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>> Someone who found probecontrol.com wrote to me privately regarding
                        >> the
                        >>> reason for rotating leads. I have no idea, so I put it here in the
                        >>> forum for discussion.
                        >>>
                        >>> -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Your website FAQ has the following entry:
                        >>>
                        >>> Why did the leads change every week?
                        >>>
                        >>> Hugh O'Brian played Lockwood in the pilot. This was his return
                        >> to
                        >>> series tv after a number of years (he was also a part owner of the
                        >>> show.) We don't have any definite sources as to why they decided to
                        >> go
                        >>> with rotating leads for the series, although there was precedent for
                        >>> this. Tony Franciosa starred in the pilot for the Name Of The Game
                        >>> series. When the show went to series, it had three rotating leads,
                        >> and
                        >>> Leslie Stevens worked on the show. He may have liked that set up
                        >>> (which made for a bigger variety of stories and styles) and always
                        >>> intended it for Search. Or it's possible Hugh O'Brian didn't want
                        >> the
                        >>> grind of 12 hour days for 24 straight weeks, or a variety of other
                        >>> possibilities. If anybody out there knows for sure, please let us
                        >> know.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> It's my understanding that the networks back in the 1970s (I'm
                        >> giving
                        >>> you a lead here to follow-up on, I'm not quoting gospel) operated
                        >>> quite differently (obviously) from how they'd operate today. Back
                        >>> then, it's my understanding that networks needed to diversify their
                        >>> "star power risk" with different actors who were under contract
                        >> with a
                        >>> given network (part of the problem behind the Leslie Stevens
                        >> departure
                        >>> as well).
                        >>>
                        >>> You will see evidence of this with several things that NBC did back
                        >>> then... an example would be the way they rotated MacMillan and Wife,
                        >>> McCloud, Columbo, and Banacek (another set of excellent show,
                        >>> incidentally) in the same manner.
                        >>>
                        >>> This is just another view that I had heard someone mention many
                        >> years
                        >>> ago and never thought anyone would be interested in such a
                        >> factoid...
                        >>> again, it's unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt... just
                        >>> passing it along.
                        >>>
                        >>> Again, all the finest!
                        >>> Phil
                        >>>
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                        Thanks for the support Brooks. Chris ... From: Brooks Cook To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:29:27
                        Message 11 of 20 , Mar 22 3:13 PM
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                          Thanks for the support Brooks.

                          Chris

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: Brooks Cook <brooks@...>
                          To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:29:27 -0500
                          Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads



                          On Mar 22, 2006, at 11:23 AM, dmanmetz@... wrote:

                          > Q SCORE.......THAT"S IT! I sorry that bothers you Rich when so-
                          > called true fans get so much incorrect, but this is just an outlet
                          > for fun for me. I am in the military and preparing to go on a one
                          > year deployment to Iraq in a couple of months. Hopefully we won't
                          > lose anymore soldiers when I go "down range". I am tired of going
                          > to funerals and putting these kids in ground, so I apologize if I
                          > couldn't remember the "Oh so important" term........Q score. Hope I
                          > don't get an Article 15 for that. Have fun in the States with your
                          > consulting in the media business while I go off and fight a war. :)
                          >
                          > Chris

                          WELL DONE, CHRIS!

                          As I read his response, I was like "Yikes! This cat seems a might
                          salty here. We're just just a bunch of fans havin' some fun..."

                          Dude, GOOD LUCK with that!!! Sort of puts all of our stateside
                          problems in a wee bit of proper perspective.

                          By the time you get back, the entire SEARCH Yahoo Group will have
                          grilled Mr. O'Brian extensively (having rigged him up to the latest
                          lie detector machine) and have all his answers in alphabetical order.
                          Hopefully, that will suffice.

                          Take care, Chris!

                          Brooks



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                        • dghprobe3
                          A number of the questions raised in this post are answered in the excellent interview with Search associate producer John C. Strong, conducted by our own Jim
                          Message 12 of 20 , Mar 22 6:03 PM
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                            A number of the questions raised in this post are answered in the
                            excellent interview with Search associate producer John C. Strong,
                            conducted by our own Jim Alexander. I believe Actingman will be
                            reprinting this interview on the probecontrol.com website shortly,
                            but in the meantime, the interview is highly recommended for those
                            new to the list, or for those who somehow missed it the first time.

                            Jim Alexander's intro to John Strong interview:
                            http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2868

                            John C. Strong Interview Part 1:
                            http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2874

                            Part 2:
                            http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2889

                            Part 3:
                            http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2893

                            Part 4:
                            http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2898

                            Part 5:
                            http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2900

                            Part 6:
                            http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/probe_control/message/2992
                            ---------------------------------

                            --- In probe_control, "Richard D. Perez" wrote:
                            >
                            > Other possible reasons:
                            >
                            > * In the early 70s, rotating dramas were NBC's unique way of
                            > creating multiple sets of hit series, and hedging its bet on
                            > failures...
                          • dghprobe3
                            Back in May 2002, Jim Alexander met Hugh O Brian at an autograph show. There is an article at www.probecontrol.com http://www.probecontrol.com/methob.html
                            Message 13 of 20 , Mar 22 6:25 PM
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                              Back in May 2002, Jim Alexander met Hugh O'Brian at an autograph
                              show. There is an article at www.probecontrol.com
                              http://www.probecontrol.com/methob.html

                              O'Brian said that he almost did not do the Search series because he
                              did not want the weekly grind of a full season. He did not get into
                              whether it was NBC or Leslie Stevens who came up with the idea of the
                              rotating leads. The idea was presented to him, and it was then that
                              he agreed to do the series. O'Brian was asked if he knew why Search
                              was never syndicated in the U.S. after it's initial 1972-73 NBC run,
                              and he replied he did not know. As well as a number of other
                              questions. So he has been quizzed.
                              -------------------------------------

                              --- In probe_control, "Richard D. Perez" wrote:
                              > ..O'Brian is the only one still alive from the SEARCH starring cast,
                              > it should be the priority of this group to quiz him on these matters
                              > rather than fawning over him as the star of the show. A lot of these
                              > matters could be completely settled.
                            • Morningstar
                              Chris, I don t know if it is good luck to wish you well. I appreciate your efforts to defend this country. There are a lot of bad things going on over there,
                              Message 14 of 20 , Mar 22 8:37 PM
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                                Chris,

                                I don't know if it is good luck to wish you well. I appreciate your
                                efforts to defend this country. There are a lot of bad things going on
                                over there, but a lot of good things, too. I think that it is just as
                                important to know how many medals are earned as how many wounded.

                                And, our soldiers are doing lots of good things for the Iraqi people
                                and children. It is not a fun job to do, but it is a war, a combat zone.

                                Please keep us up to date on things that you and your fellow soldiers
                                need. I heard that "Silly String" is good for finding trip-wires. If
                                you need some, let us know.

                                Take care.

                                --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, dmanmetz@... wrote:
                                >
                                > Q SCORE.......THAT"S IT! I sorry that bothers you Rich when
                                so-called true fans get so much incorrect, but this is just an outlet
                                for fun for me. I am in the military and preparing to go on a one year
                                deployment to Iraq in a couple of months. Hopefully we won't lose
                                anymore soldiers when I go "down range". I am tired of going to
                                funerals and putting these kids in ground, so I apologize if I
                                couldn't remember the "Oh so important" term........Q score. Hope I
                                don't get an Article 15 for that. Have fun in the States with your
                                consulting in the media business while I go off and fight a war. :)
                                >
                                > Chris
                                >
                                > -----Original Message-----
                                > From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
                                > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:09:21 -0500
                                > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
                                >
                                >
                                > Greetings,
                                >
                                > I am a consultant in the media business. It bothers me that so-called
                                > true fans would get so much incorrect in this posting. The 'Hollywood
                                > buzzword' is very simple.....it's called a Q score, and it was, and
                                > still is used to measure star popularity.
                                >
                                > I corresponded heavily with Bob Justman, who was one of the principal
                                > architects of the Star Trek universe. He is an honest man with a
                                passion
                                > for quality television.
                                >
                                > Unfortunately, Fred Freiberger, recently deceased, was a hack producer
                                > best known for making vast changes to Star Trek that caused longtime
                                > fans to tune out in the 1960's. His involvement also killed THE SIX
                                > MILLION DOLLAR MAN, another long running series. It is not surprising
                                > that Freiberger's meddling made a mess of SEARCH.
                                >
                                > While it is possible Stevens tried to help out his friend Franciosa,
                                who
                                > was fired from THE NAME OF THE GAME for his arrogant attitude and
                                > inability to show up for shoots on time, thus wasting production money.
                                > However, since NBC was having success with the 'wheel' concept, I still
                                > suggest it was the network who suggest they try it with SEARCH.
                                >
                                > McClure's involvement was an effort by the actor to broaden his range,
                                > as most casting directors saw him as a'westerns' actor. In this regard,
                                > he succeeded, as he went on to play other diverse roles until his death.
                                >
                                > Since O'Brian is the only one still alive from the SEARCH starring
                                cast,
                                > it should be the priority of this group to quiz him on these matters
                                > rather than fawning over him as the star of the show. A lot of these
                                > matters could be completely settled.
                                >
                                > Richard D. Perez
                                >
                                > dmanmetz@... wrote:
                                > >
                                > > I have my own theory on this. I think most importantly, the
                                > > producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There is
                                > > "showbiz" term (which I cannot remember) where an actor has test
                                score
                                > > on how well they are received with an audience. His or her
                                > > likeability. I think Robert Justin mentioned this in interview about
                                > > two years ago. That plays a big part in who they cast. Hugh O'Brian
                                > > was already set to play Lockwood and I guess he didn't want to do 23
                                > > shows for a whole season. Also, after long period of time off and
                                > > movie career that didn't take off in the late 60's (Cowboy in Africa)
                                > > this was his big triumphant return to TV. Since the Probe Pilot was
                                > > hit, I'm sure NBC expected a lot from Search. That's when Leslie
                                > > Stevens decided to hedge his bets and add two more Probes.
                                > > Even though Tony Franciosa was fired from his late 60's
                                critically
                                > > acclaimed groundbreaking hit Name of the Game, another three star
                                > > rotating series in which Leslie Stevens produced the Franciosa
                                > > episodes; he was still big name in Hollywood and force to be reckoned
                                > > with. He helped paved the way for Italian American leading men in
                                the
                                > > 60's on the big screen and had just missed becoming a movie star
                                > > legend. Had he stayed on the road of the early promise (Hateful Rain,
                                > > Rio Conchos, and Career) he showed with better movies and more Oscar
                                > > caliber performances, his name would mentioned right up there with
                                > > Marlon Brando and Paul Newman today. Anyway, he was the star that
                                > > received the most attention in Name of Game, which I think was
                                > > considered the best show on television at the time, so casting him
                                > > seemed to be a no brainier. I liked the Bianco episodes, but
                                sometimes
                                > > I got tired of Tony's tough guy act. It seemed like he always went
                                out
                                > > of his way to beat somebody up as opposed Lockwood's cool calculating
                                > > approach before kicking some a%# or Grover's "Jim Rockford" like
                                > > approach of trying get out it. I think he was a little rough and
                                over
                                > > the top in his first Search episode "One of our Probe's is Missing",
                                > > but I think he settled down in his role for the latter episodes. My
                                > > favorite episodes of his were Operation: Iceman, Let us Prey, and the
                                > > Clayton Lewis Documents. Don't really know what happen to his career
                                > > afterwards. He had a few good roles, but was also in some junk. Did
                                > > Franciosa piss off to many people in Hollywood or did he just walk
                                > > away from it all.
                                > > Although not taken as serious as an actor as O'Brian and
                                > > Franciosa, Doug McClure surprised everyone and stole show from James
                                > > Drury in NBC's high rated and critically acclaimed The Virginian. The
                                > > show, which ran for 9 years, made McClure a star. I think at the time
                                > > he was trying to kick his young (even though he was 37 at the time)
                                > > sidekick image and pursue mature leading men roles and Search was his
                                > > opportunity. Also, Leslie Stevens produced the Doug McClure/ Trampas
                                > > episodes for the Virginian's last season under the title of "Men from
                                > > Shiloh, which did a rotating wheel of four stars. This probably
                                > > explains how McClure was hired for Search. Also, if you look on
                                IMDB,
                                > > Doug McClure starred in several popular and critically acclaimed
                                > > movies before and after Search. Some, which I would love to see, are
                                > > considered early 1970's TV movie gems. Among them: The Birdmen,
                                Terror
                                > > in the Sky (Inspired the Airplane movies),The Death of Me Yet
                                (which I
                                > > think inspired Kevin Costner's 1987 No Way Out), Playmates, with
                                > > MASH's Alan Alda, Shirts/Skins, Death Race, and Satan's Triangle
                                > > (which I hear is pretty damn scary to this day). I think with the
                                > > failure of Search, McClure went back to what he thought was safe by
                                > > being a Cowboy again in the short lived Wild, Wild West rip-off, The
                                > > Barbary Coast with Captain Kirk himself, William Shatner. After that,
                                > > in my own humble opinion, McClure did nothing but junk. Did McClure
                                > > run out of friends in Hollywood or did he just stop caring about t
                                his
                                > > career. He and his Virginian co-star James Drury were best friends
                                and
                                > > were known in Hollywood for their drinking and partying. Although my
                                > > favorite Probe, I think McClure took a little longer than O'Brian and
                                > > Franciosa to channel in on his Grover role.
                                > > Although Short Circuit is one of my favorites, McClure doesn't
                                > > seem 100% comfortable on how to play the role yet. This was an
                                episode
                                > > that needed to be about 30 minutes longer with all the running around
                                > > Grover does and the as much time as Grover spends in his Corvette,
                                the
                                > > projection backdrop while he is driving takes away from realism. I
                                > > thought "In Search of Midas" was one of the weakest episodes in the
                                > > series. I thought it was silly and that was no real danger was
                                > > involved. This is the one they should have held until the end of the
                                > > season instead of "The Packagers". "A Honeymoon to Kill" (the one I
                                > > remember as a kid) and "The Packagers" are the very best of the
                                Grover
                                > > lot. Good stories, action, and Doug has perfected his Grover
                                > > character." Numbered for Death" is good, but the new series format
                                > > takes away from it. Although it has its moments, "Goddess of
                                > > Destruction" just plays flat. The real highlight of "Moment of
                                > > Madness" is that it is a Cameron episode with Grover on hand to
                                assist.
                                > > I guess the producers were shocked to see that their triple
                                > > threat macho, middle aged, romantic leading men, with past hit series
                                > > to their names were beat in the ratings by a fat balding non-leading
                                > > man who played Matt Dillon on radio, Probe one true enemy......FRANK
                                > > CANNON! Well, sorry to ramble on, but I had some time on my hands and
                                > > love talking about Search.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Chris
                                > >
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
                                > > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:53:16 -0500
                                > > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Other possible reasons:
                                > >
                                > > * In the early 70s, rotating dramas were NBC's unique way of
                                > > creating multiple sets of hit series, and hedging its bet on
                                > > failures. If one failed, you could simply replace one part
                                of the
                                > > wheel, rather than the whole thing. I think NBC brass decided to
                                > > experiment with rotating leads as they did with THE NAME OF THE
                                > > GAME earlier.
                                > > * Once decided, the two crews shooting two different episodes
                                makes
                                > > sense. Interestling emough, today ER shoots four episodes
                                > > simultaneously.
                                > > * My original theory that O'Brian did not want to commit to a
                                > > regular series, so other leads were brought in. However, this
                                > > theory, upon closer examination, does not make sense, since
                                > > Franciosa had a reputation for being difficult to work with, and
                                > > McClure just did not fir with the concept. I think NBC overly
                                > > researched the show and again chose three leads to hedge its
                                bets
                                > > against failure.
                                > >
                                > > Richard D, Perez
                                > > Norton, MA
                                > >
                                > > ronaldheld wrote:
                                > > > One answer is that you have three sets of teams filming. If one of
                                > > > the shows is late for some reason, one of the other two could
                                fill in
                                > > > for it.
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "actingman_jc" <actingman@>
                                > > > wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Someone who found probecontrol.com wrote to me privately regarding
                                > > > the
                                > > > > reason for rotating leads. I have no idea, so I put it here
                                in the
                                > > > > forum for discussion.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Your website FAQ has the following entry:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Why did the leads change every week?
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Hugh O'Brian played Lockwood in the pilot. This was his return
                                > > > to
                                > > > > series tv after a number of years (he was also a part owner of the
                                > > > > show.) We don't have any definite sources as to why they
                                decided to
                                > > > go
                                > > > > with rotating leads for the series, although there was
                                precedent for
                                > > > > this. Tony Franciosa starred in the pilot for the Name Of The Game
                                > > > > series. When the show went to series, it had three rotating leads,
                                > > > and
                                > > > > Leslie Stevens worked on the show. He may have liked that set up
                                > > > > (which made for a bigger variety of stories and styles) and always
                                > > > > intended it for Search. Or it's possible Hugh O'Brian didn't want
                                > > > the
                                > > > > grind of 12 hour days for 24 straight weeks, or a variety of other
                                > > > > possibilities. If anybody out there knows for sure, please let us
                                > > > know.
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > It's my understanding that the networks back in the 1970s (I'm
                                > > > giving
                                > > > > you a lead here to follow-up on, I'm not quoting gospel) operated
                                > > > > quite differently (obviously) from how they'd operate today. Back
                                > > > > then, it's my understanding that networks needed to diversify
                                their
                                > > > > "star power risk" with different actors who were under contract
                                > > > with a
                                > > > > given network (part of the problem behind the Leslie Stevens
                                > > > departure
                                > > > > as well).
                                > > > >
                                > > > > You will see evidence of this with several things that NBC did
                                back
                                > > > > then... an example would be the way they rotated MacMillan and
                                Wife,
                                > > > > McCloud, Columbo, and Banacek (another set of excellent show,
                                > > > > incidentally) in the same manner.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > This is just another view that I had heard someone mention many
                                > > > years
                                > > > > ago and never thought anyone would be interested in such a
                                > > > factoid...
                                > > > > again, it's unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt... just
                                > > > > passing it along.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Again, all the finest!
                                > > > > Phil
                                > > > >
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                                ... producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There is showbiz term (which I cannot remember) where an actor has test score on how well
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                                  --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, dmanmetz@... wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I have my own theory on this. I think most importantly, the
                                  producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There
                                  is "showbiz" term (which I cannot remember) where an actor has test
                                  score on how well they are received with an audience. His or her
                                  likeability. I think Robert Justin mentioned this in interview about
                                  two years ago. That plays a big part in who they cast. Hugh O'Brian
                                  was already set to play Lockwood and I guess he didn't want to do 23
                                  shows for a whole season. Also, after long period of time off and
                                  movie career that didn't take off in the late 60's (Cowboy in
                                  Africa) this was his big triumphant return to TV. Since the Probe
                                  Pilot was hit, I'm sure NBC expected a lot from Search. That's when
                                  Leslie Stevens decided to hedge his bets and add two more Probes.
                                  > Even though Tony Franciosa was fired from his late 60's
                                  critically acclaimed groundbreaking hit Name of the Game, another
                                  three star rotating series in which Leslie Stevens produced the
                                  Franciosa episodes; he was still big name in Hollywood and force to
                                  be reckoned with. He helped paved the way for Italian American
                                  leading men in the 60's on the big screen and had just missed
                                  becoming a movie star legend. Had he stayed on the road of the early
                                  promise (Hateful Rain, Rio Conchos, and Career) he showed with
                                  better movies and more Oscar caliber performances, his name would
                                  mentioned right up there with Marlon Brando and Paul Newman today.
                                  Anyway, he was the star that received the most attention in Name of
                                  Game, which I think was considered the best show on television at
                                  the time, so casting him seemed to be a no brainier. I liked the
                                  Bianco episodes, but sometimes I got tired of Tony's tough guy act.
                                  It seemed like he always went out of his way to beat somebody up as
                                  opposed Lockwood's cool calculating approach before kicking some a%#
                                  or Grover's "Jim Rockford" like approach of trying get out it. I
                                  think he was a little rough and over the top in his first Search
                                  episode "One of our Probe's is Missing", but I think he settled down
                                  in his role for the latter episodes. My favorite episodes of his
                                  were Operation: Iceman, Let us Prey, and the Clayton Lewis
                                  Documents. Don't really know what happen to his career afterwards.
                                  He had a few good roles, but was also in some junk. Did Franciosa
                                  piss off to many people in Hollywood or did he just walk away from
                                  it all.
                                  > Although not taken as serious as an actor as O'Brian and
                                  Franciosa, Doug McClure surprised everyone and stole show from James
                                  Drury in NBC's high rated and critically acclaimed The Virginian.
                                  The show, which ran for 9 years, made McClure a star. I think at the
                                  time he was trying to kick his young (even though he was 37 at the
                                  time) sidekick image and pursue mature leading men roles and Search
                                  was his opportunity. Also, Leslie Stevens produced the Doug McClure/
                                  Trampas episodes for the Virginian's last season under the title
                                  of "Men from Shiloh, which did a rotating wheel of four stars. This
                                  probably explains how McClure was hired for Search. Also, if you
                                  look on IMDB, Doug McClure starred in several popular and critically
                                  acclaimed movies before and after Search. Some, which I would love
                                  to see, are considered early 1970's TV movie gems. Among them: The
                                  Birdmen, Terror in the Sky (Inspired the Airplane movies),The Death
                                  of Me Yet (which I think inspired Kevin Costner's 1987 No Way Out),
                                  Playmates, with MASH's Alan Alda, Shirts/Skins, Death Race, and
                                  Satan's Triangle (which I hear is pretty damn scary to this day). I
                                  think with the failure of Search, McClure went back to what he
                                  thought was safe by being a Cowboy again in the short lived Wild,
                                  Wild West rip-off, The Barbary Coast with Captain Kirk himself,
                                  William Shatner. After that, in my own humble opinion, McClure did
                                  nothing but junk. Did McClure run out of friends in Hollywood or did
                                  he just stop caring about t his career. He and his Virginian co-star
                                  James Drury were best friends and were known in Hollywood for their
                                  drinking and partying. Although my favorite Probe, I think McClure
                                  took a little longer than O'Brian and Franciosa to channel in on his
                                  Grover role.
                                  > Although Short Circuit is one of my favorites, McClure
                                  doesn't seem 100% comfortable on how to play the role yet. This was
                                  an episode that needed to be about 30 minutes longer with all the
                                  running around Grover does and the as much time as Grover spends in
                                  his Corvette, the projection backdrop while he is driving takes away
                                  from realism. I thought "In Search of Midas" was one of the weakest
                                  episodes in the series. I thought it was silly and that was no real
                                  danger was involved. This is the one they should have held until the
                                  end of the season instead of "The Packagers". "A Honeymoon to Kill"
                                  (the one I remember as a kid) and "The Packagers" are the very best
                                  of the Grover lot. Good stories, action, and Doug has perfected his
                                  Grover character." Numbered for Death" is good, but the new series
                                  format takes away from it. Although it has its moments, "Goddess of
                                  Destruction" just plays flat. The real highlight of "Moment of
                                  Madness" is that it is a Cameron episode with Grover on hand to
                                  assist.
                                  > I guess the producers were shocked to see that their triple
                                  threat macho, middle aged, romantic leading men, with past hit
                                  series to their names were beat in the ratings by a fat balding non-
                                  leading man who played Matt Dillon on radio, Probe one true
                                  enemy......FRANK CANNON! Well, sorry to ramble on, but I had some
                                  time on my hands and love talking about Search.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Chris
                                  >
                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                  > From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@...>
                                  > To: probe_control@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:53:16 -0500
                                  > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating
                                  Leads
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Other possible reasons:
                                  >
                                  > * In the early 70s, rotating dramas were NBC's unique way of
                                  > creating multiple sets of hit series, and hedging its bet on
                                  > failures. If one failed, you could simply replace one part
                                  of the
                                  > wheel, rather than the whole thing. I think NBC brass
                                  decided to
                                  > experiment with rotating leads as they did with THE NAME OF
                                  THE
                                  > GAME earlier.
                                  > * Once decided, the two crews shooting two different episodes
                                  makes
                                  > sense. Interestling emough, today ER shoots four episodes
                                  > simultaneously.
                                  > * My original theory that O'Brian did not want to commit to a
                                  > regular series, so other leads were brought in. However, this
                                  > theory, upon closer examination, does not make sense, since
                                  > Franciosa had a reputation for being difficult to work with,
                                  and
                                  > McClure just did not fir with the concept. I think NBC overly
                                  > researched the show and again chose three leads to hedge its
                                  bets
                                  > against failure.
                                  >
                                  > Richard D, Perez
                                  > Norton, MA
                                  >
                                  > ronaldheld wrote:
                                  > > One answer is that you have three sets of teams filming. If one
                                  of
                                  > > the shows is late for some reason, one of the other two could
                                  fill in
                                  > > for it.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "actingman_jc" <actingman@>
                                  > > wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Someone who found probecontrol.com wrote to me privately
                                  regarding
                                  > > the
                                  > > > reason for rotating leads. I have no idea, so I put it here
                                  in the
                                  > > > forum for discussion.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Your website FAQ has the following entry:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Why did the leads change every week?
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Hugh O'Brian played Lockwood in the pilot. This was his
                                  return
                                  > > to
                                  > > > series tv after a number of years (he was also a part owner of
                                  the
                                  > > > show.) We don't have any definite sources as to why they
                                  decided to
                                  > > go
                                  > > > with rotating leads for the series, although there was
                                  precedent for
                                  > > > this. Tony Franciosa starred in the pilot for the Name Of The
                                  Game
                                  > > > series. When the show went to series, it had three rotating
                                  leads,
                                  > > and
                                  > > > Leslie Stevens worked on the show. He may have liked that set
                                  up
                                  > > > (which made for a bigger variety of stories and styles) and
                                  always
                                  > > > intended it for Search. Or it's possible Hugh O'Brian didn't
                                  want
                                  > > the
                                  > > > grind of 12 hour days for 24 straight weeks, or a variety of
                                  other
                                  > > > possibilities. If anybody out there knows for sure, please let
                                  us
                                  > > know.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > It's my understanding that the networks back in the 1970s (I'm
                                  > > giving
                                  > > > you a lead here to follow-up on, I'm not quoting gospel)
                                  operated
                                  > > > quite differently (obviously) from how they'd operate today.
                                  Back
                                  > > > then, it's my understanding that networks needed to diversify
                                  their
                                  > > > "star power risk" with different actors who were under contract
                                  > > with a
                                  > > > given network (part of the problem behind the Leslie Stevens
                                  > > departure
                                  > > > as well).
                                  > > >
                                  > > > You will see evidence of this with several things that NBC did
                                  back
                                  > > > then... an example would be the way they rotated MacMillan and
                                  Wife,
                                  > > > McCloud, Columbo, and Banacek (another set of excellent show,
                                  > > > incidentally) in the same manner.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > This is just another view that I had heard someone mention many
                                  > > years
                                  > > > ago and never thought anyone would be interested in such a
                                  > > factoid...
                                  > > > again, it's unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt...
                                  just
                                  > > > passing it along.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Again, all the finest!
                                  > > > Phil
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > >Hi, All Search fans, I just joined and after reading previous
                                  posts, I am commenting on some of what Chris and Richard said above.
                                  Doug did care about his career and I don't agree that everything he
                                  did later was junk. He did some stage work and was nominated for an
                                  award for a play he did on Broadway, the only time he was ever
                                  nominated for anything in his long career, he should have been at
                                  least nominated for The Virginian, if not won, and for Roots and The
                                  Rebels, he also gave very good performances in ther tv movies Chris
                                  mentioned, such as Terror in the Sky and The Death of Me Yet. If he
                                  did do junk or roles not worthy of his talents, its because he
                                  needed the money. Getting married and divorced 4 times can be
                                  expensive! If he had been offered better roles , he would have
                                  taken them, instead he took the best of what he was offered. Did
                                  Doug run out of friends in Hollywood? No, Glen A. Larsen gave him a
                                  lot of geust star work in his shows when Doug's drinking probably
                                  lost him jobs, but his two big Hollywood friends, Clint Eastwood and
                                  Burt Reynolds, left him down a bit, I feel. As far as I kinow,
                                  Clint, who was Doug's best man (At which marriage I don't know),
                                  didn't offer him any roles in movies he starred in or directed,
                                  either the serious westerns and thrillers or the the comedies like
                                  Every Which Way But Loose and Bronco Billy which Doug would have
                                  been good in. Doug's riding skills could have put to good use by
                                  Clint. When they used to talk about westerns making a come back, I
                                  always though Doug would be up there, as he was one the best riders
                                  in westerns and had been a rodeo rider. And Burt gave him his worst
                                  movie role of all in Cannonball Run 11, as far down the credits as
                                  he had been since his first movies and a couple of roles in Evening
                                  Shade and a B.L.Stryker tv movie. Doug seemed happy enough to play
                                  the sidekick roles because he knew he could steal the show from the
                                  star if he wanted to. His comedic skills were shown in his last
                                  series Out of This World, he being the best reason for watching it.
                                  I havn't seen all the episodes, but those I have had some great in-
                                  joke references to The Virginian, but I don't if they made reference
                                  to Search.> >I had hoped his tv career would pick up even if his
                                  movie career didn't and who knows, if he had lived, it would have.
                                  I would have like to seen him do some good tv movies and miniseries
                                  like the ones he did before, mentioned above.
                                  As for Richard's comment that Doug didn't fit into the concept of
                                  rotating leads, Doug had in fact even more experiance of this
                                  concept than the other two Search stars, as The Virginian often had
                                  a rotating lead and in its last season as The Men From Shiloh, went
                                  over completely to the concept. One of the reasons I loved Search
                                  was that I love cars and Doug got to drive a lot of different cars,
                                  Grover's Corvette, a Citroen SM with a Maserati engine (in two
                                  episodes) and nearly a Porsche 911 (My nephew just bought one),
                                  being nearly run down getting into it by a bad guy in an old
                                  Daimler, ripping the door off!
                                  Finally, it might be of interest to Tony Franciosa fans that Doug
                                  dated Tony's future wife and widow, Rita Theil, in the 60's, between
                                  wives.
                                  I'll send another post when I read some more of the posts and find
                                  something to comment on that might be of interest to the group.
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                                • ronaldheld
                                  I would think that is a good economic reason. ... in ... regarding ... the ... return ... to ... for ... leads, ... their ... back ... Wife,
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                                    I would think that is a good economic reason.

                                    --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "ronaldheld" <ronaldheld@...>
                                    wrote:
                                    >
                                    > One answer is that you have three sets of teams filming. If one of
                                    > the shows is late for some reason, one of the other two could fill
                                    in
                                    > for it.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In probe_control@yahoogroups.com, "actingman_jc" <actingman@>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Someone who found probecontrol.com wrote to me privately
                                    regarding
                                    > the
                                    > > reason for rotating leads. I have no idea, so I put it here in
                                    the
                                    > > forum for discussion.
                                    > >
                                    > > -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Your website FAQ has the following entry:
                                    > >
                                    > > Why did the leads change every week?
                                    > >
                                    > > Hugh O'Brian played Lockwood in the pilot. This was his
                                    return
                                    > to
                                    > > series tv after a number of years (he was also a part owner of the
                                    > > show.) We don't have any definite sources as to why they decided
                                    to
                                    > go
                                    > > with rotating leads for the series, although there was precedent
                                    for
                                    > > this. Tony Franciosa starred in the pilot for the Name Of The Game
                                    > > series. When the show went to series, it had three rotating
                                    leads,
                                    > and
                                    > > Leslie Stevens worked on the show. He may have liked that set up
                                    > > (which made for a bigger variety of stories and styles) and always
                                    > > intended it for Search. Or it's possible Hugh O'Brian didn't want
                                    > the
                                    > > grind of 12 hour days for 24 straight weeks, or a variety of other
                                    > > possibilities. If anybody out there knows for sure, please let us
                                    > know.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > It's my understanding that the networks back in the 1970s (I'm
                                    > giving
                                    > > you a lead here to follow-up on, I'm not quoting gospel) operated
                                    > > quite differently (obviously) from how they'd operate today. Back
                                    > > then, it's my understanding that networks needed to diversify
                                    their
                                    > > "star power risk" with different actors who were under contract
                                    > with a
                                    > > given network (part of the problem behind the Leslie Stevens
                                    > departure
                                    > > as well).
                                    > >
                                    > > You will see evidence of this with several things that NBC did
                                    back
                                    > > then... an example would be the way they rotated MacMillan and
                                    Wife,
                                    > > McCloud, Columbo, and Banacek (another set of excellent show,
                                    > > incidentally) in the same manner.
                                    > >
                                    > > This is just another view that I had heard someone mention many
                                    > years
                                    > > ago and never thought anyone would be interested in such a
                                    > factoid...
                                    > > again, it's unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt... just
                                    > > passing it along.
                                    > >
                                    > > Again, all the finest!
                                    > > Phil
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • Jeffrey P Rush
                                    “The Name of the Game” has mentioned periodically here. Anybody know where copies of the show can be found (at a reasonable rate)? Thanks. Lock and Load
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                                      On Behalf Of fewernicholas
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                                      Subject: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating Leads



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                                      dmanmetz@... wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > I have my own theory on this. I think most importantly, the
                                      producers wanted hit which translates to money in Hollywood. There
                                      is "showbiz" term (which I cannot remember) where an actor has test
                                      score on how well they are received with an audience. His or her
                                      likeability. I think Robert Justin mentioned this in interview about
                                      two years ago. That plays a big part in who they cast. Hugh O'Brian
                                      was already set to play Lockwood and I guess he didn't want to do 23
                                      shows for a whole season. Also, after long period of time off and
                                      movie career that didn't take off in the late 60's (Cowboy in
                                      Africa) this was his big triumphant return to TV. Since the Probe
                                      Pilot was hit, I'm sure NBC expected a lot from Search. That's when
                                      Leslie Stevens decided to hedge his bets and add two more Probes.
                                      > Even though Tony Franciosa was fired from his late 60's
                                      critically acclaimed groundbreaking hit Name of the Game, another
                                      three star rotating series in which Leslie Stevens produced the
                                      Franciosa episodes; he was still big name in Hollywood and force to
                                      be reckoned with. He helped paved the way for Italian American
                                      leading men in the 60's on the big screen and had just missed
                                      becoming a movie star legend. Had he stayed on the road of the early
                                      promise (Hateful Rain, Rio Conchos, and Career) he showed with
                                      better movies and more Oscar caliber performances, his name would
                                      mentioned right up there with Marlon Brando and Paul Newman today.
                                      Anyway, he was the star that received the most attention in Name of
                                      Game, which I think was considered the best show on television at
                                      the time, so casting him seemed to be a no brainier. I liked the
                                      Bianco episodes, but sometimes I got tired of Tony's tough guy act.
                                      It seemed like he always went out of his way to beat somebody up as
                                      opposed Lockwood's cool calculating approach before kicking some a%#
                                      or Grover's "Jim Rockford" like approach of trying get out it. I
                                      think he was a little rough and over the top in his first Search
                                      episode "One of our Probe's is Missing", but I think he settled down
                                      in his role for the latter episodes. My favorite episodes of his
                                      were Operation: Iceman, Let us Prey, and the Clayton Lewis
                                      Documents. Don't really know what happen to his career afterwards.
                                      He had a few good roles, but was also in some junk. Did Franciosa
                                      piss off to many people in Hollywood or did he just walk away from
                                      it all.
                                      > Although not taken as serious as an actor as O'Brian and
                                      Franciosa, Doug McClure surprised everyone and stole show from James
                                      Drury in NBC's high rated and critically acclaimed The Virginian.
                                      The show, which ran for 9 years, made McClure a star. I think at the
                                      time he was trying to kick his young (even though he was 37 at the
                                      time) sidekick image and pursue mature leading men roles and Search
                                      was his opportunity. Also, Leslie Stevens produced the Doug McClure/
                                      Trampas episodes for the Virginian's last season under the title
                                      of "Men from Shiloh, which did a rotating wheel of four stars. This
                                      probably explains how McClure was hired for Search. Also, if you
                                      look on IMDB, Doug McClure starred in several popular and critically
                                      acclaimed movies before and after Search. Some, which I would love
                                      to see, are considered early 1970's TV movie gems. Among them: The
                                      Birdmen, Terror in the Sky (Inspired the Airplane movies),The Death
                                      of Me Yet (which I think inspired Kevin Costner's 1987 No Way Out),
                                      Playmates, with MASH's Alan Alda, Shirts/Skins, Death Race, and
                                      Satan's Triangle (which I hear is pretty damn scary to this day). I
                                      think with the failure of Search, McClure went back to what he
                                      thought was safe by being a Cowboy again in the short lived Wild,
                                      Wild West rip-off, The Barbary Coast with Captain Kirk himself,
                                      William Shatner. After that, in my own humble opinion, McClure did
                                      nothing but junk. Did McClure run out of friends in Hollywood or did
                                      he just stop caring about t his career. He and his Virginian co-star
                                      James Drury were best friends and were known in Hollywood for their
                                      drinking and partying. Although my favorite Probe, I think McClure
                                      took a little longer than O'Brian and Franciosa to channel in on his
                                      Grover role.
                                      > Although Short Circuit is one of my favorites, McClure
                                      doesn't seem 100% comfortable on how to play the role yet. This was
                                      an episode that needed to be about 30 minutes longer with all the
                                      running around Grover does and the as much time as Grover spends in
                                      his Corvette, the projection backdrop while he is driving takes away
                                      from realism. I thought "In Search of Midas" was one of the weakest
                                      episodes in the series. I thought it was silly and that was no real
                                      danger was involved. This is the one they should have held until the
                                      end of the season instead of "The Packagers". "A Honeymoon to Kill"
                                      (the one I remember as a kid) and "The Packagers" are the very best
                                      of the Grover lot. Good stories, action, and Doug has perfected his
                                      Grover character." Numbered for Death" is good, but the new series
                                      format takes away from it. Although it has its moments, "Goddess of
                                      Destruction" just plays flat. The real highlight of "Moment of
                                      Madness" is that it is a Cameron episode with Grover on hand to
                                      assist.
                                      > I guess the producers were shocked to see that their triple
                                      threat macho, middle aged, romantic leading men, with past hit
                                      series to their names were beat in the ratings by a fat balding non-
                                      leading man who played Matt Dillon on radio, Probe one true
                                      enemy......FRANK CANNON! Well, sorry to ramble on, but I had some
                                      time on my hands and love talking about Search.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Chris
                                      >
                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: Richard D. Perez <richardperez@-...>
                                      > To: HYPERLINK
                                      "mailto:probe_control%40yahoogroups.com"probe_control@-yahoogroups.-com
                                      > Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:53:16 -0500
                                      > Subject: Re: [probe_control] Re: Someone's Thought on Rotating
                                      Leads
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Other possible reasons:
                                      >
                                      > * In the early 70s, rotating dramas were NBC's unique way of
                                      > creating multiple sets of hit series, and hedging its bet on
                                      > failures. If one failed, you could simply replace one part
                                      of the
                                      > wheel, rather than the whole thing. I think NBC brass
                                      decided to
                                      > experiment with rotating leads as they did with THE NAME OF
                                      THE
                                      > GAME earlier.
                                      > * Once decided, the two crews shooting two different episodes
                                      makes
                                      > sense. Interestling emough, today ER shoots four episodes
                                      > simultaneously.
                                      > * My original theory that O'Brian did not want to commit to a
                                      > regular series, so other leads were brought in. However, this
                                      > theory, upon closer examination, does not make sense, since
                                      > Franciosa had a reputation for being difficult to work with,
                                      and
                                      > McClure just did not fir with the concept. I think NBC overly
                                      > researched the show and again chose three leads to hedge its
                                      bets
                                      > against failure.
                                      >
                                      > Richard D, Perez
                                      > Norton, MA
                                      >
                                      > ronaldheld wrote:
                                      > > One answer is that you have three sets of teams filming. If one
                                      of
                                      > > the shows is late for some reason, one of the other two could
                                      fill in
                                      > > for it.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In HYPERLINK
                                      "mailto:probe_control%40yahoogroups.com"probe_control@-yahoogroups.-com,
                                      "actingman_jc" <actingman@>
                                      > > wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Someone who found probecontrol.-com wrote to me privately
                                      regarding
                                      > > the
                                      > > > reason for rotating leads. I have no idea, so I put it here
                                      in the
                                      > > > forum for discussion.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-------
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Your website FAQ has the following entry:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Why did the leads change every week?
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Hugh O'Brian played Lockwood in the pilot. This was his
                                      return
                                      > > to
                                      > > > series tv after a number of years (he was also a part owner of
                                      the
                                      > > > show.) We don't have any definite sources as to why they
                                      decided to
                                      > > go
                                      > > > with rotating leads for the series, although there was
                                      precedent for
                                      > > > this. Tony Franciosa starred in the pilot for the Name Of The
                                      Game
                                      > > > series. When the show went to series, it had three rotating
                                      leads,
                                      > > and
                                      > > > Leslie Stevens worked on the show. He may have liked that set
                                      up
                                      > > > (which made for a bigger variety of stories and styles) and
                                      always
                                      > > > intended it for Search. Or it's possible Hugh O'Brian didn't
                                      want
                                      > > the
                                      > > > grind of 12 hour days for 24 straight weeks, or a variety of
                                      other
                                      > > > possibilities. If anybody out there knows for sure, please let
                                      us
                                      > > know.
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > It's my understanding that the networks back in the 1970s (I'm
                                      > > giving
                                      > > > you a lead here to follow-up on, I'm not quoting gospel)
                                      operated
                                      > > > quite differently (obviously) from how they'd operate today.
                                      Back
                                      > > > then, it's my understanding that networks needed to diversify
                                      their
                                      > > > "star power risk" with different actors who were under contract
                                      > > with a
                                      > > > given network (part of the problem behind the Leslie Stevens
                                      > > departure
                                      > > > as well).
                                      > > >
                                      > > > You will see evidence of this with several things that NBC did
                                      back
                                      > > > then... an example would be the way they rotated MacMillan and
                                      Wife,
                                      > > > McCloud, Columbo, and Banacek (another set of excellent show,
                                      > > > incidentally) in the same manner.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > This is just another view that I had heard someone mention many
                                      > > years
                                      > > > ago and never thought anyone would be interested in such a
                                      > > factoid...
                                      > > > again, it's unsubstantiated, so take with a grain of salt...
                                      just
                                      > > > passing it along.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Again, all the finest!
                                      > > > Phil
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > >Hi, All Search fans, I just joined and after reading previous
                                      posts, I am commenting on some of what Chris and Richard said above.
                                      Doug did care about his career and I don't agree that everything he
                                      did later was junk. He did some stage work and was nominated for an
                                      award for a play he did on Broadway, the only time he was ever
                                      nominated for anything in his long career, he should have been at
                                      least nominated for The Virginian, if not won, and for Roots and The
                                      Rebels, he also gave very good performances in ther tv movies Chris
                                      mentioned, such as Terror in the Sky and The Death of Me Yet. If he
                                      did do junk or roles not worthy of his talents, its because he
                                      needed the money. Getting married and divorced 4 times can be
                                      expensive! If he had been offered better roles , he would have
                                      taken them, instead he took the best of what he was offered. Did
                                      Doug run out of friends in Hollywood? No, Glen A. Larsen gave him a
                                      lot of geust star work in his shows when Doug's drinking probably
                                      lost him jobs, but his two big Hollywood friends, Clint Eastwood and
                                      Burt Reynolds, left him down a bit, I feel. As far as I kinow,
                                      Clint, who was Doug's best man (At which marriage I don't know),
                                      didn't offer him any roles in movies he starred in or directed,
                                      either the serious westerns and thrillers or the the comedies like
                                      Every Which Way But Loose and Bronco Billy which Doug would have
                                      been good in. Doug's riding skills could have put to good use by
                                      Clint. When they used to talk about westerns making a come back, I
                                      always though Doug would be up there, as he was one the best riders
                                      in westerns and had been a rodeo rider. And Burt gave him his worst
                                      movie role of all in Cannonball Run 11, as far down the credits as
                                      he had been since his first movies and a couple of roles in Evening
                                      Shade and a B.L.Stryker tv movie. Doug seemed happy enough to play
                                      the sidekick roles because he knew he could steal the show from the
                                      star if he wanted to. His comedic skills were shown in his last
                                      series Out of This World, he being the best reason for watching it.
                                      I havn't seen all the episodes, but those I have had some great in-
                                      joke references to The Virginian, but I don't if they made reference
                                      to Search.> >I had hoped his tv career would pick up even if his
                                      movie career didn't and who knows, if he had lived, it would have.
                                      I would have like to seen him do some good tv movies and miniseries
                                      like the ones he did before, mentioned above.
                                      As for Richard's comment that Doug didn't fit into the concept of
                                      rotating leads, Doug had in fact even more experiance of this
                                      concept than the other two Search stars, as The Virginian often had
                                      a rotating lead and in its last season as The Men From Shiloh, went
                                      over completely to the concept. One of the reasons I loved Search
                                      was that I love cars and Doug got to drive a lot of different cars,
                                      Grover's Corvette, a Citroen SM with a Maserati engine (in two
                                      episodes) and nearly a Porsche 911 (My nephew just bought one),
                                      being nearly run down getting into it by a bad guy in an old
                                      Daimler, ripping the door off!
                                      Finally, it might be of interest to Tony Franciosa fans that Doug
                                      dated Tony's future wife and widow, Rita Theil, in the 60's, between
                                      wives.
                                      I'll send another post when I read some more of the posts and find
                                      something to comment on that might be of interest to the group.
                                      Nicholas
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