- ... Stop arguing about infinity!!! There is absolutely no need to discuss the concept! Fact: Every finite integer (and of course every integer is finite) isMessage 1 of 8 , Oct 31, 2003View Source
> So what is Infinity?Stop arguing about infinity!!! There is absolutely no need to discuss
Fact: Every finite integer (and of course every integer is finite) is
divisible by a prime number. Do you accept this fact? This is the
*only* bit of knowledge of primes that is needed for Euclid's proof.
Take a finite list of primes, and multiply them all together. Add 1.
Then the resulting (finite) number is clearly not divisible by any prime
on the list you started with. But this number must be divisible by some
prime, therefore there exists a prime not on the original list.
Therefore any finite list of primes is incomplete, and thus the list of
primes has no bound.
Like I said before, it's the simplest proof in mathematics. You should
be deeply ashamed to be misunderstanding it like you are. Tell us the
flaw you think exists. I'm sure we can manage to discuss it, without the
need for you whining on about people not liking new ideas.
It seems we're all joining forces to argue against you. I'm sure I'm not
the only person on the list who's "qualified" to argue this stuff. We're
not stupid, listen to us...
- Hi folks, this morning, Primo (2.2.0 beta 1) surprised me with this: [PRIMO - Task Report] Version=2.2.0 beta 1 WebSite=http://www.ellipsa.net/Message 2 of 8 , Nov 3, 2003View SourceHi folks,
this morning, Primo (2.2.0 beta 1) 'surprised' me with this:
[PRIMO - Task Report]
Version=2.2.0 beta 1
Created=10/30/2003 05:10:39 PM
Candidate #1=Certified, 4662h 7mn 8s
Status=Candidate certified prime
So, the PRP 1723^1716 + 1716^1723 (5554 decimal digits) has been
proven prime! I await a new version of Jim Fougeron's Cert_Val to make
sure the certificate is valid before submitting to Chris Caldwell's
I used a Pentium IV at 1.8 GHz, so this is basically just under 1 GHzYear
of processor power.
Thanks to Marcel Martin for writing Primo, and giving me ample support
during the certification...
Christ van Willegen
- ... Mr. Bagula, for right now I m saying this as informal advice, wearing only my list member hat. Most of the members are able to discuss primes and relatedMessage 3 of 8 , Nov 3, 2003View Source--On Friday, October 31, 2003 7:48 AM -0800 Roger Bagula <tftn@...> wrote:
> "don't feed the Trolls"Mr. Bagula, for right now I'm saying this as informal advice, wearing only my list member hat.
> Here I'm doing it too.
> When you are the troll?
> So what is Infinity?
> You sure don't have a clue!
> Most of the "rules"
> for infinity are wrong or inconsistent.
> So proofs using wrong axioms
> and theorems gives nonsense like your email.
> And you defend nonsense as if it were the word of "God"?!
> " All I know is that I know nothing."
> Basic start for informed discusion by rational beings.
> Which you aren't it seems.
> Try assuming nothing (except that what you learned in school is wrong).
> Then you might have a chance of being more than a troll yourself.
> Mostly I find that you "primers" are a very narrow and ill informed
> bunch messing in stuff you have very little real ideas about.
> Most of your software is useless for real investigation of primes.
> You don't ask fundamental questions
> or allow them to be syated.
> Reminds me of someone saying priests ought to be allowed to be married
> to a cathotic bishop.
> Doctrine , old or new, can't be qustioned except by other priests.
> In other words stupidity and lack of math or science education?
> Nasty narrow minds who can't or won't try to think on their own.
> Like I said :"insults will get you nowhere".
> I'm intersted in :
> Your email had none of any of those aspects.
> I suggest you get a life.
Most of the members are able to discuss primes and related issues in a civil fashion, without personal insults. Really, in my few months as a moderator I have found that a significant majority of the list is self-moderating.
You may find your time here more enjoyable if you join that group.