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  • THOMAS JOHNSON
    From Maureen Dowd s 8/20/05 column in the New York Times: Richard Nixon once gave me a lesson in the politics of war. Howell Raines, then the Washington bureau
    Message 1 of 5 , Aug 22, 2005
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      From Maureen Dowd's 8/20/05 column in the New York
      Times:

      Richard Nixon once gave me a lesson in the politics of
      war.

      Howell Raines, then the Washington bureau chief for
      The Times, took some reporters to meet Mr. Nixon right
      before the 1992 New Hampshire primary. The deposed
      president had requested that Howell bring along only
      reporters who were too young to have covered
      Watergate, so we tried to express an excess of
      Juvenalia spirit.
      Before the first vote of '92 was cast, Mr. Nixon laid
      out, state by state, how Bill Clinton, who was not
      even a sure bet for the Democratic nomination at that
      point, was going to defeat George Bush.
      If, Mr. Nixon said, Bill could keep a lid on Hillary
      (who had worked on the House Judiciary Committee
      looking into the Nixon impeachment), he'd have it
      made.
      "If the wife comes through as being too strong and too
      intelligent, it makes the husband look like a wimp,"
      he said.
      In his jaundiced view, the first President Bush had
      squandered his best re-election card: if the Persian
      Gulf war had still been going on, Mr. Bush could have
      been benefiting from that.
      "We had a lot of success with that in 1972," Mr. Nixon
      told us, with that famously uneasy baring of teeth
      that passed for a smile.
      Was he actually admitting what all the paranoid
      liberals had been yelping about 20 years earlier -
      that he had prolonged the Vietnam War so he could get
      re-elected?




      I find it remarkable that he could predict the outcome
      of 1992, but the apparent lack of remorse over
      politically-motivated warmongering absolutely floors
      me.
      LBJ, in contrast, was reportedly torn up by he
      protesters chanting " Hey, hey LBJ.. How many kids did
      you kill today?' outside the Oval Office.

      Tom


      --- Ram Lau <ramlau@...> wrote:


      ---------------------------------
      Voting Rights Address by Lyndon Johnson in 1965:
      http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/lbjweshallovercome.htm

      I caught it on C-SPAN a couple of weeks ago. Here is a
      piece of excerpt:

      "And somehow you never forget what poverty and hatred
      can do when you
      see its scars on the hopeful face of a young child. I
      never thought
      then, in 1928, that I would be standing here in 1965.
      It never even
      occurred to me in my fondest dreams that I might have
      the chance to
      help the sons and daughters of those students and to
      help people like
      them all over this country.

      But now I do have that chance -- and I'll let you in
      on a secret -- I
      mean to use it."

      I've studied LBJ for a few years, and I could see that
      he pretty much
      meant what he said in that speech. He was sincere and
      very brave,
      knowing it was a political suicide for his Party and
      would cost him
      some political assets.

      Ram





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    • THOMAS JOHNSON
      I recently caught part of a lecture by one John Stewart, who had worked on Hubert Humphrey s staff during the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Though
      Message 2 of 5 , Aug 23, 2005
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        I recently caught part of a lecture by one John
        Stewart, who had worked on Hubert Humphrey's staff
        during the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
        Though obviously a modest man, he said he probably
        knew more about the forging of that legislation than
        any man alive, and he asserted that LBJ was fairly
        hands off on putting it together because he had
        delegated it to Humphrey, who handled it so adeptly
        that there was not much reason to meddle.
        Pulitzer Prize winning historian David McCullough has
        written that HHH contributed more to Harry Truman's
        re-election in 1948 than did Truman himself, by giving
        a speech at the 1948 Democratic Convention in favor of
        a civil rights plank in the platform, which was
        adopted. Though it caused some southern Democrats to
        walk out and form the Dixiecrats party, that was more
        than offset by the votes picked up from the northern
        black vote. Incidentally the Dixiecrats nominated
        Strom Thurmond, to whom Trent Lott was referring in
        his 2002 misfire that got him bounced from his Senate
        Majority leadership.

        Tom


        --- THOMAS JOHNSON <AVRCRDNG@...> wrote:


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        From Maureen Dowd's 8/20/05 column in the New York
        Times:

        Richard Nixon once gave me a lesson in the politics of
        war.

        Howell Raines, then the Washington bureau chief for
        The Times, took some reporters to meet Mr. Nixon right
        before the 1992 New Hampshire primary. The deposed
        president had requested that Howell bring along only
        reporters who were too young to have covered
        Watergate, so we tried to express an excess of
        Juvenalia spirit.
        Before the first vote of '92 was cast, Mr. Nixon laid
        out, state by state, how Bill Clinton, who was not
        even a sure bet for the Democratic nomination at that
        point, was going to defeat George Bush.
        If, Mr. Nixon said, Bill could keep a lid on Hillary
        (who had worked on the House Judiciary Committee
        looking into the Nixon impeachment), he'd have it
        made.
        "If the wife comes through as being too strong and too
        intelligent, it makes the husband look like a wimp,"
        he said.
        In his jaundiced view, the first President Bush had
        squandered his best re-election card: if the Persian
        Gulf war had still been going on, Mr. Bush could have
        been benefiting from that.
        "We had a lot of success with that in 1972," Mr. Nixon
        told us, with that famously uneasy baring of teeth
        that passed for a smile.
        Was he actually admitting what all the paranoid
        liberals had been yelping about 20 years earlier -
        that he had prolonged the Vietnam War so he could get
        re-elected?




        I find it remarkable that he could predict the outcome
        of 1992, but the apparent lack of remorse over
        politically-motivated warmongering absolutely floors
        me.
        LBJ, in contrast, was reportedly torn up by he
        protesters chanting " Hey, hey LBJ.. How many kids did
        you kill today?' outside the Oval Office.

        Tom


        --- Ram Lau <ramlau@...> wrote:


        ---------------------------------
        Voting Rights Address by Lyndon Johnson in 1965:
        http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/lbjweshallovercome.htm

        I caught it on C-SPAN a couple of weeks ago. Here is a
        piece of excerpt:

        "And somehow you never forget what poverty and hatred
        can do when you
        see its scars on the hopeful face of a young child. I
        never thought
        then, in 1928, that I would be standing here in 1965.
        It never even
        occurred to me in my fondest dreams that I might have
        the chance to
        help the sons and daughters of those students and to
        help people like
        them all over this country.

        But now I do have that chance -- and I'll let you in
        on a secret -- I
        mean to use it."

        I've studied LBJ for a few years, and I could see that
        he pretty much
        meant what he said in that speech. He was sincere and
        very brave,
        knowing it was a political suicide for his Party and
        would cost him
        some political assets.

        Ram





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      • Ram Lau
        And, of course, I m predictably a Humphrey fan. I happen to have taped that program:
        Message 3 of 5 , Aug 23, 2005
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          And, of course, I'm predictably a Humphrey fan. I happen to have taped
          that program:

          http://www.c-spanstore.org/shop/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=188129-1

          I first learned much about HHH and the very early days of the Civil
          Rights era after reading "The Walls of Jericho: Lyndon Johnson, Hubert
          Humphrey, Richard Russell, and the Struggle for Civil Rights" written
          by Robert Mann:

          http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0156005018/103-9560337-2998234?v=glance

          In my opinion, HHH is one of the most influential Senators in history.
          The DFLers have given the nation a good number of great statesmen, and
          Al Franken may be the next.

          Ram


          --- In prezveepsenator@yahoogroups.com, THOMAS JOHNSON <AVRCRDNG@F...>
          wrote:
          > I recently caught part of a lecture by one John
          > Stewart, who had worked on Hubert Humphrey's staff
          > during the passing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
          > Though obviously a modest man, he said he probably
          > knew more about the forging of that legislation than
          > any man alive, and he asserted that LBJ was fairly
          > hands off on putting it together because he had
          > delegated it to Humphrey, who handled it so adeptly
          > that there was not much reason to meddle.
          > Pulitzer Prize winning historian David McCullough has
          > written that HHH contributed more to Harry Truman's
          > re-election in 1948 than did Truman himself, by giving
          > a speech at the 1948 Democratic Convention in favor of
          > a civil rights plank in the platform, which was
          > adopted. Though it caused some southern Democrats to
          > walk out and form the Dixiecrats party, that was more
          > than offset by the votes picked up from the northern
          > black vote. Incidentally the Dixiecrats nominated
          > Strom Thurmond, to whom Trent Lott was referring in
          > his 2002 misfire that got him bounced from his Senate
          > Majority leadership.
          >
          > Tom
          >
          >
          > --- THOMAS JOHNSON <AVRCRDNG@F...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > ---------------------------------
          > From Maureen Dowd's 8/20/05 column in the New York
          > Times:
          >
          > Richard Nixon once gave me a lesson in the politics of
          > war.
          >
          > Howell Raines, then the Washington bureau chief for
          > The Times, took some reporters to meet Mr. Nixon right
          > before the 1992 New Hampshire primary. The deposed
          > president had requested that Howell bring along only
          > reporters who were too young to have covered
          > Watergate, so we tried to express an excess of
          > Juvenalia spirit.
          > Before the first vote of '92 was cast, Mr. Nixon laid
          > out, state by state, how Bill Clinton, who was not
          > even a sure bet for the Democratic nomination at that
          > point, was going to defeat George Bush.
          > If, Mr. Nixon said, Bill could keep a lid on Hillary
          > (who had worked on the House Judiciary Committee
          > looking into the Nixon impeachment), he'd have it
          > made.
          > "If the wife comes through as being too strong and too
          > intelligent, it makes the husband look like a wimp,"
          > he said.
          > In his jaundiced view, the first President Bush had
          > squandered his best re-election card: if the Persian
          > Gulf war had still been going on, Mr. Bush could have
          > been benefiting from that.
          > "We had a lot of success with that in 1972," Mr. Nixon
          > told us, with that famously uneasy baring of teeth
          > that passed for a smile.
          > Was he actually admitting what all the paranoid
          > liberals had been yelping about 20 years earlier -
          > that he had prolonged the Vietnam War so he could get
          > re-elected?
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > I find it remarkable that he could predict the outcome
          > of 1992, but the apparent lack of remorse over
          > politically-motivated warmongering absolutely floors
          > me.
          > LBJ, in contrast, was reportedly torn up by he
          > protesters chanting " Hey, hey LBJ.. How many kids did
          > you kill today?' outside the Oval Office.
          >
          > Tom
          >
          >
          > --- Ram Lau <ramlau@y...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > ---------------------------------
          > Voting Rights Address by Lyndon Johnson in 1965:
          > http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/lbjweshallovercome.htm
          >
          > I caught it on C-SPAN a couple of weeks ago. Here is a
          > piece of excerpt:
          >
          > "And somehow you never forget what poverty and hatred
          > can do when you
          > see its scars on the hopeful face of a young child. I
          > never thought
          > then, in 1928, that I would be standing here in 1965.
          > It never even
          > occurred to me in my fondest dreams that I might have
          > the chance to
          > help the sons and daughters of those students and to
          > help people like
          > them all over this country.
          >
          > But now I do have that chance -- and I'll let you in
          > on a secret -- I
          > mean to use it."
          >
          > I've studied LBJ for a few years, and I could see that
          > he pretty much
          > meant what he said in that speech. He was sincere and
          > very brave,
          > knowing it was a political suicide for his Party and
          > would cost him
          > some political assets.
          >
          > Ram
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
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