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  • Greg Cannon
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    Message 1 of 1 , May 29, 2005
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      --- Julie Keller <jakeller@...> wrote:

      > To: utepprogressives@yahoogroups.com
      > From: "Julie Keller" <jakeller@...>
      > Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:32:23 -0000
      > Subject: [utepprogressives] Re: Senate reaches
      > compromise on filibusters & nominees
      >
      > I've heard some pundits surmise that this compromise
      > was McCain's
      > revenge on Rove and Grover Norquist, who McCain
      > loathes and who were
      > responsible for McCain's smearing in South Carolina
      > during the 2000
      > primaries and who are the primary architects of the
      > "nuclear option."
      >
      > You'd think McCain would have more pull with the
      > Repubs than he seems
      > to have. In any event, the Dobson faction is
      > furious, so I guess any
      > resolution that I'm not happy about and that they're
      > unhappy about is
      > probably a true compromise.
      >
      > Meanwhile, I continue to be pleasantly surprised by
      > Sen. Lindsey
      > Graham. I disagree with his politics, but he seems
      > to be a person who
      > works in good faith for what he believes in and
      > tries to seek out
      > facts to arrive at solutions. He also seems to
      > believe he has a duty
      > to follow his own conscience as opposed to doing
      > what the party tells
      > him to. So I respect him. When he got elected in
      > 2002, I thought he
      > was another fundamentalist wingnut, but he was
      > genuinely offended by
      > Abu Ghraib, has been critical of Condoleezza Rice,
      > and worked on this
      > compromise.
      >
      > Leaders Angry at Democrats, McCain
      >
      > "John Green, a veteran observer of religion and
      > politics at the
      > University of Akron, said conservative groups will
      > have to draw upon a
      > valuable tool gained from decades of legislative
      > battles.
      >
      > 'One thing they've learned,' said Green, 'is
      > patience.' "
      >
      >
      > By KEVIN ECKSTROM & ADELLE M. BANKS
      > Religion News Service
      >
      > Link:
      >
      http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20050528%2FNEWS%2F505280316%2F1021
      >
      > WASHINGTON -- Richard Land, James Dobson and Paul
      > Weyrich are angry --
      > angry at "activist" judges who they say are
      > legislating from the
      > bench, angry at Democrats who try to derail judicial
      > nominations and
      > angry at Republicans who are allowing the filibuster
      > to survive.
      >
      > But these leaders of the Christian right reserve a
      > special anger for
      > Sen. John McCain, the Arizona Republican who helped
      > broker a
      > compromise on judicial nominees with seven Democrats
      > and six other
      > Republicans.
      >
      > McCain can "forget about his presidential ambitions"
      > in 2008, said
      > Weyrich, co-founder of the now-defunct Moral
      > Majority and president of
      > the Washington-based Free Congress Foundation.
      >
      > McCain, a longtime nemesis of religious
      > conservatives, wasn't the only
      > lawmaker threatened with retribution.
      >
      > "Trust me," said Land, president of the Southern
      > Baptists' Ethics and
      > Religious Liberty Commission. "Conservatives know
      > who to blame, and
      > they will have an opportunity to express their
      > feelings in the
      > primaries of 2008."
      >
      > Evangelical political leaders said the real losers
      > in Monday's
      > compromise are not President Bush's judicial
      > nominees, nor his core
      > supporters who rallied around them, but Republican
      > candidates who will
      > have to look elsewhere for support in coming
      > elections.
      >
      > Those who ignored or forgot "the conservative
      > Republicans who helped
      > expand this (Senate) majority" in last year's
      > election will pay a
      > price, said Tony Perkins, president of the
      > Washington-based Family
      > Research Council.
      >
      > Focus on the Family Action Chairman Dobson said he
      > felt betrayed and
      > abandoned by a "cabal of Republicans" who derailed
      > what has been
      > called the "nuclear option" or "constitutional
      > option," which would
      > have ensured a vote on each of Bush's judicial
      > nominees by removing
      > the filibuster as a weapon to avoid action.
      >
      > Referring to upcoming elections, Dobson said, "I am
      > certain that these
      > voters will remember both Democrats and Republicans
      > who betrayed their
      > trust."
      >
      > Almost from the beginning, religious conservatives
      > had rejected any
      > hint of compromise on the issue and said the only
      > acceptable outcome
      > would be an up-ordown vote on all Bush nominees, not
      > just the three
      > who were included in Monday's last-minute deal.
      >
      > "We had the momentum to win and they insisted on
      > betraying us and
      > there will be a price for that," said Weyrich.
      >
      > McCain's role reopened old wounds. His 2000
      > presidential bid tanked in
      > Virginia and South Carolina when he called religious
      > broadcasters
      > Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents of
      > intolerance" who exerted an
      > "evil influence" on the Republican Party.
      >
      > McCain seemed to take the latest retaliation threats
      > in stride. A
      > maverick who has often blazed his own course, McCain
      > has never enjoyed
      > close ties with conservative evangelicals, or even
      > tried to cultivate
      > them.
      >
      > "We expect it to be denounced severely by both
      > extremes," he told
      > CNN's "American Morning." "They've spent a lot of
      > time, a lot of
      > money, a lot of effort trying to continue this
      > polarization."
      >
      > Other senators are also in the cross hairs. Sen.
      > Mike DeWine, an Ohio
      > Republican, should prepare to "pay a dear price" in
      > his re-election
      > bid in 2006, Weyrich said. Perkins also singled out
      > DeWine, John
      > Warner of Virginia and Lindsey Graham of South
      > Carolina, in an
      > interview with the Associated Press.
      >
      > Conservative religious groups say the compromise by
      > the "Gang of 14"
      > senators only ups the ante for the Holy Grail of
      > judicial nominations
      > -- a possible open seat on the U.S. Supreme Court.
      >
      > Conservatives are worried that the filibuster could
      > be used by
      > Democrats to block a Bush appointee for the high
      > court. The agreement
      > "spells trouble for any nomination to the U.S.
      > Supreme Court," said R.
      > Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist
      > Theological Seminary in
      > Louisville, Ky.
      >
      > Mohler accused "centrist Republicans" of placing
      > "the rules of the
      > Senate over the sanctity of human life and the
      > integrity of marriage."
      >
      > Perkins, of the Family Research Council, said the
      > "longterm
      > consequences" for those who supported the compromise
      > will ultimately
      > be determined by how they vote on any Supreme Court
      > nominees.
      >
      > Political observers said that while religious
      > conservatives did not
      > win the all-out victory they hoped for, it's too
      > soon to say that
      > their power has been diluted, or that they no longer
      > enjoy the access
      > to Washington leaders they earned by playing a key
      > role in re-electing
      > President Bush last year.
      >
      > Corwin Smidt, professor of political science at
      > Calvin College, said
      > conservatives scored a major symbolic victory by
      > bringing the issue to
      > a head in the first place. Without their prodding,
      > Democrats may have
      > succeeded in sinking all of the Bush nominations
      > that had been blocked
      > by the threat of a filibuster.
      >
      > John Green, a veteran observer of religion and
      > politics at the
      > University of Akron, said conservative groups will
      > have to draw upon a
      > valuable tool gained from decades of legislative
      > battles.
      >
      > "One thing they've learned," said Green, "is
      > patience."
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In utepprogressives@yahoogroups.com, Greg Cannon
      > <gregcannon1@y...> wrote:
      > > I also hoped there would be a vote on whether or
      > not
      > > to ban filibusters, and the filibuster would
      > survive.
      > > John McCain can't be the only Republican who
      > > understands that they may not always be the
      > majority.
      > >
      > > I'm afraid this compromise may end up being a
      > mistake,
      > > because there will be the same disagreement any
      > time
      > > in the future there's another judicial nominee.
      > Either
      > > the Democrats will make a similar compromise on
      > each
      > > nominee or they will filibuster the nominee and
      > Frist
      > > will go ahead with his nuclear option. Though I
      > > suspect he may not be sure he's got enough votes
      > to do
      > > that, just like Reid wasn't sure he had enough
      > votes
      > > to stop Frist.
      > >
      > > And of course all of this is connected to Frist's
      > > desire to run for president in 2008. I don't think
      > > he's actually said he's running, but when asked
      > about
      > > it he makes vague hints that he will. If he fails
      > to
      > > get any judicial nominees confirmed, then there's
      > no
      > > way he could get the presidential nomination. He's
      > got
      > > to impress all the James Dobson types out there.
      > >
      > > I think you could be right about moderate
      > Republicans
      > > being the ones to defeat the radical Republicans.
      > > Which is why I'm still thinking of voting in the
      > > Republican primary next year: Strayhorn for
      > governor,
      > > and I don't know who for senator. Not that I'd
      > > probably vote for them in November.
      > >
      > > To get back to the subject of judicial nominees: I
      > saw
      > > in the news yesterday that Rehnquist was seen
      > going to
      > > a hospital in Washington.
      >
      >
      >
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