Re: reagan official article / iraq
- (from the article)
> The neocons have destroyed Iraq's infrastructure,An interesting article, though I think the guy may want to use less
> alienated the entire Muslim world and made the US the
> most hated country on the planet.
drastic terms. And I think the bad guys have done plenty of damage
to their own infrastructure. But I guess 2000 pound bombs aren't
usually gentle on the infrastructure.
A guy I know recently came back from serving in Iraq (in a relatively
calm location, although they did have mortars lobbed at them a few
times). He said that most Iraqis like the US, and the violent
opposition in Iraq is analagous to the KKK in the US, a small fringe
crazy minority. He also said that a visit to Baghdad showed a
regular, healthy, bustling city of people going about their business,
not the cratered, burning mess that you see on TV.
I think his opinion is probably partly influenced by the US military
mindset. They want to feel like they are part of something noble.
But, he lived there several months, and saw at least part of Iraq
with his own eyes, so that has to count for something.
He also mentioned that the most accurate news reporting he has heard
concerning the occupation has been on NPR. He feels that other
networks have sensationalized the news.
Does anyone else know somebody who has an opinion of the situation in
Iraq, formed by their own experience there?
> Iraq, formed by their own experience there?A link to many links:
Among them, here's a pretty good one:
- At the college I go to, I've met three students who are veterans of
the Iraq war. One didn't talk about it at all except to mention he'd
been there. Another talked about it a lot to me, and told me many
interesting stories. The third I don't know as well, but I saw her
speak at an antiwar rally on campus. It's quite possible I've met
other veterans of the war and didn't realize they were veterans; there
is a big military base in my town, and there are a lot of soldiers who
are also college students.
The two men are no longer in the military, and I don't know if the
woman still is or not. The man who talked about it a lot to me was
discharged with a lot of medical problems. He is rather bitter about
it. He agreed with me that it would've been better for the U.S. if we
hadn't gone into Iraq. He wasn't disturbed by the fact that while he
was getting shot at, I was back over here protesting.
I doubt he would mind if I related some of the stories he told me.
He drove trucks, full of supplies I think. He said that when the
trucks were going down the street they'd often be mobbed by crowds of
Iraqis who would try to climb onto the truck and steal their supplies.
He knew someone whose glasses were stolen like that. And also,
sometimes the crowds would include people with guns and bombs. So the
drivers were ordered to not stop when a crowd got in their way, and
just hope the crowd got out of the way and didn't get run over. My
friend followed the order, and only once did an Iraqi refuse to get
out of the way of his truck. It was a boy who looked about 12. My
friend didn't run over the boy, he swerved around him.
Another time, my friend saw some superior officer decide to go to
sleep under a truck instead of going into battle. The officer ordered
two subordinates to stand guard over him while he slept. The officer
was later given a Bronze Star for his conduct in that battle.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "tonymaloley" <am7788zz@m...>
> Does anyone else know somebody who has an opinion of the situation in
> Iraq, formed by their own experience there?
- I'm under the impression that whoever gave him the Star was unaware of
the truth. I don't know know the officer's name, and even if I did
know I'd be hesitant to make a fuss about it because I don't want to
get my friend in trouble.
--- In email@example.com, "Ram Lau" <ramlau@y...> wrote:
> > was later given a Bronze Star for his conduct in that battle.
> The sleeping battle? Whoa.
- True. We all know corruption exists everywhere, so let's just keep
that as is. I never trust any monopoly, including the military-
industrial complex that Ike was so concerned about some 40 years ago.