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    Aug 12, 2005
      I'm really enjoying the posting from this group and am
      curious if anyone thinks the progressive advances that
      were developing around 100 years ago, such as
      suffrage and shorter workdays, were due at least in
      part to a backlash against the robber barons and the
      Taft administration. It would give me hope if a pious,
      pro big business president such as Taft inspired the
      progressive movement to rebel and a similar reaction
      could repeat itself a century later.

      Tom Johnson

      --- Greg Cannon <gregcannon1@...> wrote:

      I agree with you, but I fear that if taken too far
      then the party's message might become only marketing
      and packaging, with a great lack of substance. At the
      moment though the Democrats seem to be lacking on both
      accounts. They never fully committed to either
      opposing or supporting Bush's foreign policy and his
      policies on civil rights, and they failed miserably
      when they attempted to explain their ambivalence to
      the voters.

      What did the Socialists say in 1904? I've been reading
      a Teddy Roosevelt biography and recently finished the
      part on the 1904 election and didn't hear the
      Socialists mentioned. The Democrats sure seem to have
      picked an unfortunate candidate that year, a judge
      named Alton Parker who was apparently picked because
      he seemed very very nonpartisan, uncontroversial, and
      boring in contrast to Roosevelt who was very
      flamboyant and nearly always controversial.

      --- Ram Lau <ramlau@...> wrote:

      > In politics and in my years of studying politics,
      > I've come to the
      > conclusion that marketing and packaging matter more
      > than anything
      > else. The GOP has a much better marketing team and
      > are willing to go
      > for the nasties, that's why they keep winning. The
      > Dems are simply
      > whiney losers who keep picking the wrong (and less
      > than bright)
      > candidates. Moral high ground is not the way to go,
      > the elitist
      > liberals should understand. And, honestly, most
      > people don't vote on
      > the issues.
      > LBJ's prophecy upon signing the Civil Rights Act in
      > 1964: "We have
      > just lost the South for a generation." He's dead
      > WRONG. They had
      > lost the South for generations. The only times when
      > the Democratic
      > candidate could win the South and thus the election
      > were all
      > accidental (when the GOP screwed up very badly) -
      > namely, the
      > Watergate referendum year (1976) and the Perot year
      > (1992). Then it
      > took a Clinton miracle to get re-elcted in 1996.
      > Even worse, both
      > Carter and Clinton had to be a Southerner to
      > attractive the Southern
      > moderates who don't usually vote to garner enough
      > support to win.
      > The only issues that matter to most - abortion,
      > civil rights (from
      > affirmative action to gay rights), and religious
      > freedom - are what
      > the Southerners care about (to deprive them) and the
      > liberals have
      > never been on their side. That's why the
      > pro-slavery, anti-women
      > rights, xenophobic South was the Democratic bastion
      > in the pre-FDR
      > days when the Yankee Republicans were controlled by
      > the liberals.
      > Liberalism doesn't sell well in the South in the
      > past 200 years, and
      > I doubt ever will. Ironically enough, these liberals
      > always get what
      > they want a generation later or two. Read the
      > platform of the
      > Socialist Party in 1904. What was perceived as the
      > far left agenda,
      > we have adopted most of it. That's why I'm still
      > hopeful in a longer
      > term perspective even very disturbed in these days.
      > Ram


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