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  • John Marvin
    Isn t it more of an issue with an unsupported soundcard rather than two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better than the Delta 44 (Echo
    Message 1 of 21 , Mar 15 11:08 AM
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      Isn't it more of an issue with an "unsupported" soundcard rather than
      two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better than
      the Delta 44 (Echo Audio AudioFire 8), but as far as I can see so far,
      there is no way of making it work for SSB.

      My assumption (which may be wrong) is that PowerSDR uses the default
      audio (as specified frmo the Windows audio recording/playback devices
      control) for input (i.e. mic input) and output (i.e. speaker/headphone
      output). The input/output specified on the audio tab is for the I/Q I/O
      to the Softrock SDR.

      But I can't seem to make that work. So is it really an issue with two
      cards, or is it that there is something special about the included
      support for the Delta 44 inside of PowerSDR?

      Rather than just saying that two cards won't work, it would be nice to
      get a definitive reason why it won't work (I'm not addressing this
      specifically to Bob, who may or may not know the reason), and how
      PowerSDR chooses its mic input (if it supports it at all) when you
      choose to use an "unsupported" card.

      I notice there are unusable receive/transmit menu items on the PowerSDR
      audio tab. Are those only active if you specify a supported card like
      the Delta 44? What do those choices allow when active?

      Thanks,

      John
      AC0ZG

      On 3/15/2012 6:09 AM, g8voip wrote:
      > Hi Joe,
      >
      > Just taking a quick look around the forums whilst I am eating my lunch
      > at work.
      >
      > Well from a lot of personal experience and many months of frustration, I
      > would say do not bother trying to run SSB with a 2 card solution. I
      > resisted for as long as I could before I finally gave in and purchaed a
      > Delta 44 a four years ago.
      >
      > The only way it is possible with two sound cards is to make use of the
      > PSDR VAC panel and used that to map to another sound card for a mic
      > input. Its a messy way of doing it, and you will run into problems, from
      > memory the receive audio is not automatically muted when you go to
      > transmit, VOX will not work. Cannot remember all ofthe problems.
      >
      > Some people seem to be happy putting up with these restrictions and not
      > really the intended purpose of the VAC function.
      >
      > Have a go with two sound cards, it will make you really appreciate the
      > Delta 44 when you get that!
      >
      > 73, Bob G8VOI
      >
      > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi Bob
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > What I was hoping was for how to connect the mic input when I am not
      > using
      > > the delta 44. I haven't purchased it yet and was hoping to get
      > powersdr to
      > > work first with two separate sound cards. I know people have said it is a
      > > challenge but so far I have been able to get powersdr to work for my
      > digital
      > > modes (which don't using a mic) but I cannot figure out how to do it for
      > > voice. I will likely purchase a delta 44 anyway.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Using hdsdr I was able to get this working because hdsdr provides a
      > > soundcard selection for microphone input which powersdr does not. But
      > hdsdr
      > > has its other problems and I like powersdr more.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > 73
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Joe
      > >
      > > VA3JLF
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>] On
      > > Behalf Of g8voip
      > > Sent: March-15-12 3:05 AM
      > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Hi Joe,
      > >
      > > If you have the Delta 44 card selected as a 'supported' sound card all of
      > > the inputs and outpts are automatically allocated as per the
      > configuration I
      > > gave in my last posting, no other set up needed.
      > >
      > > You can adjust the mic gain etc from the main console screen.
      > >
      > > 73, Bob G8VOI
      > >
      > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
      > > "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hi
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I am trying to get powersdr to work on my system and I know about the
      > > delta
      > > > 44 and will likely get to use it. However, what I was trying to
      > understand
      > > > is where do you set the mic input in the program setup. Under the audio
      > > > setup, one can set the input and output sound cards only. Where
      > does one
      > > > set the mic input?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > 73
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Joe
      > > >
      > > > VA3JLF
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ]
      > > On
      > > > Behalf Of g8voip
      > > > Sent: March-13-12 5:56 PM
      > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Hi Alex,
      > > >
      > > > As you have a Delta 44 sound card, that provides all of the inputs and
      > > > outputs required for transmitting properly using PowerSDR.
      > > >
      > > > The standard configuration used by all of the current SDR programs is:
      > > >
      > > > Line Input 1/2 = RX I/Q from Ensemble RXTX
      > > > Line Input 3/4 = Mic input
      > > >
      > > > Line Output 1/2 = speaker output
      > > > Line Output 3/4 = TX I/Q output to Ensemble RXTX
      > > >
      > > > Only thing you might need to do is make the Delta 44 sound card the
      > > Windows
      > > > 'default' sound card so that it is used by all applications for driving
      > > the
      > > > speakers etc.
      > > >
      > > > Do not be tempted to try and mix using two sound cards, difficult to
      > > achieve
      > > > good results and a number of features are not supported.
      > > >
      > > > The Delta 44 is one of the original sound cards FlexRadio
      > recommended and
      > > > supported for their SDR-1000 transceiver and ideally suited for the
      > > SoftRock
      > > > / Ensemble RXTX use.
      > > >
      > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
      > > >
      > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
      > > > "h" <malard@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Hi Jim, I figured it out, I got the file into the psdr folder and no
      > > more
      > > > error. Thanks so much for the info. Would you know how the line output
      > > goes
      > > > from the delta 44 for transmit? Right now there connected to the
      > speakers
      > > > for receive. I tried using the internal soundcard sb x-fi for
      > transmit but
      > > > still no transmit. I'm not sure how to configure the sound cards
      > properly
      > > to
      > > > get the rxtx to transmit. Receive works fine. Again I'm running
      > win7 64bit
      > > > with m-audio delta44 and sound blaster x-fi 24bit internal, also have a
      > > usb
      > > > sb 24 live sound card. Can anyone help? Thanks Alex W6ACT
      > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > > , "h" <malard@> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Thanks Jim,
      > > > > >
      > > > > > How and where do I get it? I'm not a computer expert. If you could
      > > tell
      > > > me what to do, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Alex
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "gm3jsx" <gm3jsx@> wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Hello Alex.
      > > > > > > you need a copy off the Dll'deltapanel,dll in the flex radio
      > system
      > > > file..
      > > > > > > good luck jim
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "h" <malard@> wrote:
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > I'm running win7 64bit system. I have A ensemble rxtx and I'm
      > > trying
      > > > to get the supported sound card M-audio delta 44 to work. Under the
      > audio
      > > > tab when I select the delta 44 supported option, I receive an error
      > that
      > > > says "Unable to load" DLL'deltapnl.dll'. The specified module could
      > not be
      > > > found. I can ignore the error and continue, but if I do, the computer
      > > > crashes and then psdr will not start again until I pull the pci
      > card out
      > > and
      > > > then reinstall it. Just to let you know the delta 44 works fine on
      > receive
      > > > with unsupported option and running asio drivers either asio4all or
      > > M-audio
      > > > delta 44 drivers. Would anybody know why I'm getting this error on
      > power
      > > sdr
      > > > boot up with this supported card?
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Thanks Alex
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
      >
    • g8voip
      Hi John, There is nothing magical about the Delta 44 card being supported in PSDR. All the supported feature does is preset a number of parameters, but if
      Message 2 of 21 , Mar 15 2:02 PM
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        Hi John,

        There is nothing magical about the Delta 44 card being 'supported' in PSDR.

        All the 'supported' feature does is preset a number of parameters, but if you select the same card as 'unsupported' you can set all of these up manually and get the same results.

        In 6 years of playing with SDR I have never heard of anyone suceeding in getting a single stereo or two card solution FULLY functioning for SSB operation. You can fudge things using the VAC panel to route mic audio etc, but there are always some features that will not work, RX audio mute on TX, VOX etc.

        Ultimately you need to use the correct 'tools' for the job.

        If you want to use all of the features of PSDR correctly then if you have a free internal PCI card slot - Delta 44, USB solution USB2SDR or Fireware Edirol FA-66 or Presonus Firebox.

        73, Bob G8VOI


        --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com, John Marvin <jm-softrock@...> wrote:
        >
        > Isn't it more of an issue with an "unsupported" soundcard rather than
        > two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better than
        > the Delta 44 (Echo Audio AudioFire 8), but as far as I can see so far,
        > there is no way of making it work for SSB.
        >
        > My assumption (which may be wrong) is that PowerSDR uses the default
        > audio (as specified frmo the Windows audio recording/playback devices
        > control) for input (i.e. mic input) and output (i.e. speaker/headphone
        > output). The input/output specified on the audio tab is for the I/Q I/O
        > to the Softrock SDR.
        >
        > But I can't seem to make that work. So is it really an issue with two
        > cards, or is it that there is something special about the included
        > support for the Delta 44 inside of PowerSDR?
        >
        > Rather than just saying that two cards won't work, it would be nice to
        > get a definitive reason why it won't work (I'm not addressing this
        > specifically to Bob, who may or may not know the reason), and how
        > PowerSDR chooses its mic input (if it supports it at all) when you
        > choose to use an "unsupported" card.
        >
        > I notice there are unusable receive/transmit menu items on the PowerSDR
        > audio tab. Are those only active if you specify a supported card like
        > the Delta 44? What do those choices allow when active?
        >
        > Thanks,
        >
        > John
        > AC0ZG
        >
        > On 3/15/2012 6:09 AM, g8voip wrote:
        > > Hi Joe,
        > >
        > > Just taking a quick look around the forums whilst I am eating my lunch
        > > at work.
        > >
        > > Well from a lot of personal experience and many months of frustration, I
        > > would say do not bother trying to run SSB with a 2 card solution. I
        > > resisted for as long as I could before I finally gave in and purchaed a
        > > Delta 44 a four years ago.
        > >
        > > The only way it is possible with two sound cards is to make use of the
        > > PSDR VAC panel and used that to map to another sound card for a mic
        > > input. Its a messy way of doing it, and you will run into problems, from
        > > memory the receive audio is not automatically muted when you go to
        > > transmit, VOX will not work. Cannot remember all ofthe problems.
        > >
        > > Some people seem to be happy putting up with these restrictions and not
        > > really the intended purpose of the VAC function.
        > >
        > > Have a go with two sound cards, it will make you really appreciate the
        > > Delta 44 when you get that!
        > >
        > > 73, Bob G8VOI
        > >
        > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Hi Bob
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > What I was hoping was for how to connect the mic input when I am not
        > > using
        > > > the delta 44. I haven't purchased it yet and was hoping to get
        > > powersdr to
        > > > work first with two separate sound cards. I know people have said it is a
        > > > challenge but so far I have been able to get powersdr to work for my
        > > digital
        > > > modes (which don't using a mic) but I cannot figure out how to do it for
        > > > voice. I will likely purchase a delta 44 anyway.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Using hdsdr I was able to get this working because hdsdr provides a
        > > > soundcard selection for microphone input which powersdr does not. But
        > > hdsdr
        > > > has its other problems and I like powersdr more.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > 73
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Joe
        > > >
        > > > VA3JLF
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>] On
        > > > Behalf Of g8voip
        > > > Sent: March-15-12 3:05 AM
        > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Hi Joe,
        > > >
        > > > If you have the Delta 44 card selected as a 'supported' sound card all of
        > > > the inputs and outpts are automatically allocated as per the
        > > configuration I
        > > > gave in my last posting, no other set up needed.
        > > >
        > > > You can adjust the mic gain etc from the main console screen.
        > > >
        > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
        > > >
        > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
        > > > "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > Hi
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > I am trying to get powersdr to work on my system and I know about the
        > > > delta
        > > > > 44 and will likely get to use it. However, what I was trying to
        > > understand
        > > > > is where do you set the mic input in the program setup. Under the audio
        > > > > setup, one can set the input and output sound cards only. Where
        > > does one
        > > > > set the mic input?
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > 73
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Joe
        > > > >
        > > > > VA3JLF
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ]
        > > > On
        > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
        > > > > Sent: March-13-12 5:56 PM
        > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Hi Alex,
        > > > >
        > > > > As you have a Delta 44 sound card, that provides all of the inputs and
        > > > > outputs required for transmitting properly using PowerSDR.
        > > > >
        > > > > The standard configuration used by all of the current SDR programs is:
        > > > >
        > > > > Line Input 1/2 = RX I/Q from Ensemble RXTX
        > > > > Line Input 3/4 = Mic input
        > > > >
        > > > > Line Output 1/2 = speaker output
        > > > > Line Output 3/4 = TX I/Q output to Ensemble RXTX
        > > > >
        > > > > Only thing you might need to do is make the Delta 44 sound card the
        > > > Windows
        > > > > 'default' sound card so that it is used by all applications for driving
        > > > the
        > > > > speakers etc.
        > > > >
        > > > > Do not be tempted to try and mix using two sound cards, difficult to
        > > > achieve
        > > > > good results and a number of features are not supported.
        > > > >
        > > > > The Delta 44 is one of the original sound cards FlexRadio
        > > recommended and
        > > > > supported for their SDR-1000 transceiver and ideally suited for the
        > > > SoftRock
        > > > > / Ensemble RXTX use.
        > > > >
        > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
        > > > >
        > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
        > > > > "h" <malard@> wrote:
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Hi Jim, I figured it out, I got the file into the psdr folder and no
        > > > more
        > > > > error. Thanks so much for the info. Would you know how the line output
        > > > goes
        > > > > from the delta 44 for transmit? Right now there connected to the
        > > speakers
        > > > > for receive. I tried using the internal soundcard sb x-fi for
        > > transmit but
        > > > > still no transmit. I'm not sure how to configure the sound cards
        > > properly
        > > > to
        > > > > get the rxtx to transmit. Receive works fine. Again I'm running
        > > win7 64bit
        > > > > with m-audio delta44 and sound blaster x-fi 24bit internal, also have a
        > > > usb
        > > > > sb 24 live sound card. Can anyone help? Thanks Alex W6ACT
        > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > , "h" <malard@> wrote:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Thanks Jim,
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > How and where do I get it? I'm not a computer expert. If you could
        > > > tell
        > > > > me what to do, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Alex
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "gm3jsx" <gm3jsx@> wrote:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Hello Alex.
        > > > > > > > you need a copy off the Dll'deltapanel,dll in the flex radio
        > > system
        > > > > file..
        > > > > > > > good luck jim
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "h" <malard@> wrote:
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > I'm running win7 64bit system. I have A ensemble rxtx and I'm
        > > > trying
        > > > > to get the supported sound card M-audio delta 44 to work. Under the
        > > audio
        > > > > tab when I select the delta 44 supported option, I receive an error
        > > that
        > > > > says "Unable to load" DLL'deltapnl.dll'. The specified module could
        > > not be
        > > > > found. I can ignore the error and continue, but if I do, the computer
        > > > > crashes and then psdr will not start again until I pull the pci
        > > card out
        > > > and
        > > > > then reinstall it. Just to let you know the delta 44 works fine on
        > > receive
        > > > > with unsupported option and running asio drivers either asio4all or
        > > > M-audio
        > > > > delta 44 drivers. Would anybody know why I'm getting this error on
        > > power
        > > > sdr
        > > > > boot up with this supported card?
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > >
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        >
      • John Marvin
        Bob, As I already mentioned, I have an Echo Audio Firewire based AudioFire8. It has 8 mono inputs and 8 mono outputs (that can be grouped into stereo pairs
        Message 3 of 21 , Mar 15 2:21 PM
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          Bob,

          As I already mentioned, I have an Echo Audio Firewire based AudioFire8.
          It has 8 mono inputs and 8 mono outputs (that can be grouped into stereo
          pairs that look like separate devices). It also has a bunch of other
          nice features like mike preamps on two of the channels, another 2 in/out
          spdif, high quality headphone preamp, etc. So I don't want to settle for
          a Delta 44. I believe I've got something better (that I already have for
          semi-professional recording work) and I want to make it work. In one
          sense it can look like two different cards, but all the channels are
          synchronized. I suspect the Delta 44 also presents itself to windows as
          multiple devices.

          Where does PowerSDR get its mike input? I don't see a way of selecting
          it. Does it the default Windows input device? Why do we need to fudge
          things using the VAC panel? Is there no way to get PowerSDR to directly
          access a sound card for mic input if it is not one of the supported cards?

          Thanks,

          John


          On 3/15/2012 3:02 PM, g8voip wrote:
          > Hi John,
          >
          > There is nothing magical about the Delta 44 card being 'supported' in PSDR.
          >
          > All the 'supported' feature does is preset a number of parameters, but
          > if you select the same card as 'unsupported' you can set all of these up
          > manually and get the same results.
          >
          > In 6 years of playing with SDR I have never heard of anyone suceeding in
          > getting a single stereo or two card solution FULLY functioning for SSB
          > operation. You can fudge things using the VAC panel to route mic audio
          > etc, but there are always some features that will not work, RX audio
          > mute on TX, VOX etc.
          >
          > Ultimately you need to use the correct 'tools' for the job.
          >
          > If you want to use all of the features of PSDR correctly then if you
          > have a free internal PCI card slot - Delta 44, USB solution USB2SDR or
          > Fireware Edirol FA-66 or Presonus Firebox.
          >
          > 73, Bob G8VOI
          >
          > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, John Marvin <jm-softrock@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > Isn't it more of an issue with an "unsupported" soundcard rather than
          > > two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better than
          > > the Delta 44 (Echo Audio AudioFire 8), but as far as I can see so far,
          > > there is no way of making it work for SSB.
          > >
          > > My assumption (which may be wrong) is that PowerSDR uses the default
          > > audio (as specified frmo the Windows audio recording/playback devices
          > > control) for input (i.e. mic input) and output (i.e. speaker/headphone
          > > output). The input/output specified on the audio tab is for the I/Q I/O
          > > to the Softrock SDR.
          > >
          > > But I can't seem to make that work. So is it really an issue with two
          > > cards, or is it that there is something special about the included
          > > support for the Delta 44 inside of PowerSDR?
          > >
          > > Rather than just saying that two cards won't work, it would be nice to
          > > get a definitive reason why it won't work (I'm not addressing this
          > > specifically to Bob, who may or may not know the reason), and how
          > > PowerSDR chooses its mic input (if it supports it at all) when you
          > > choose to use an "unsupported" card.
          > >
          > > I notice there are unusable receive/transmit menu items on the PowerSDR
          > > audio tab. Are those only active if you specify a supported card like
          > > the Delta 44? What do those choices allow when active?
          > >
          > > Thanks,
          > >
          > > John
          > > AC0ZG
          > >
          > > On 3/15/2012 6:09 AM, g8voip wrote:
          > > > Hi Joe,
          > > >
          > > > Just taking a quick look around the forums whilst I am eating my lunch
          > > > at work.
          > > >
          > > > Well from a lot of personal experience and many months of
          > frustration, I
          > > > would say do not bother trying to run SSB with a 2 card solution. I
          > > > resisted for as long as I could before I finally gave in and purchaed a
          > > > Delta 44 a four years ago.
          > > >
          > > > The only way it is possible with two sound cards is to make use of the
          > > > PSDR VAC panel and used that to map to another sound card for a mic
          > > > input. Its a messy way of doing it, and you will run into problems,
          > from
          > > > memory the receive audio is not automatically muted when you go to
          > > > transmit, VOX will not work. Cannot remember all ofthe problems.
          > > >
          > > > Some people seem to be happy putting up with these restrictions and not
          > > > really the intended purpose of the VAC function.
          > > >
          > > > Have a go with two sound cards, it will make you really appreciate the
          > > > Delta 44 when you get that!
          > > >
          > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
          > > >
          > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > Hi Bob
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > What I was hoping was for how to connect the mic input when I am not
          > > > using
          > > > > the delta 44. I haven't purchased it yet and was hoping to get
          > > > powersdr to
          > > > > work first with two separate sound cards. I know people have said
          > it is a
          > > > > challenge but so far I have been able to get powersdr to work for my
          > > > digital
          > > > > modes (which don't using a mic) but I cannot figure out how to do
          > it for
          > > > > voice. I will likely purchase a delta 44 anyway.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Using hdsdr I was able to get this working because hdsdr provides a
          > > > > soundcard selection for microphone input which powersdr does not. But
          > > > hdsdr
          > > > > has its other problems and I like powersdr more.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > 73
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Joe
          > > > >
          > > > > VA3JLF
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>] On
          > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
          > > > > Sent: March-15-12 3:05 AM
          > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Hi Joe,
          > > > >
          > > > > If you have the Delta 44 card selected as a 'supported' sound
          > card all of
          > > > > the inputs and outpts are automatically allocated as per the
          > > > configuration I
          > > > > gave in my last posting, no other set up needed.
          > > > >
          > > > > You can adjust the mic gain etc from the main console screen.
          > > > >
          > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
          > > > >
          > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
          > > > > "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Hi
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > I am trying to get powersdr to work on my system and I know
          > about the
          > > > > delta
          > > > > > 44 and will likely get to use it. However, what I was trying to
          > > > understand
          > > > > > is where do you set the mic input in the program setup. Under
          > the audio
          > > > > > setup, one can set the input and output sound cards only. Where
          > > > does one
          > > > > > set the mic input?
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > 73
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Joe
          > > > > >
          > > > > > VA3JLF
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ]
          > > > > On
          > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
          > > > > > Sent: March-13-12 5:56 PM
          > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Hi Alex,
          > > > > >
          > > > > > As you have a Delta 44 sound card, that provides all of the
          > inputs and
          > > > > > outputs required for transmitting properly using PowerSDR.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > The standard configuration used by all of the current SDR
          > programs is:
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Line Input 1/2 = RX I/Q from Ensemble RXTX
          > > > > > Line Input 3/4 = Mic input
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Line Output 1/2 = speaker output
          > > > > > Line Output 3/4 = TX I/Q output to Ensemble RXTX
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Only thing you might need to do is make the Delta 44 sound card the
          > > > > Windows
          > > > > > 'default' sound card so that it is used by all applications for
          > driving
          > > > > the
          > > > > > speakers etc.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > Do not be tempted to try and mix using two sound cards,
          > difficult to
          > > > > achieve
          > > > > > good results and a number of features are not supported.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > The Delta 44 is one of the original sound cards FlexRadio
          > > > recommended and
          > > > > > supported for their SDR-1000 transceiver and ideally suited for the
          > > > > SoftRock
          > > > > > / Ensemble RXTX use.
          > > > > >
          > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
          > > > > >
          > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
          > > > > > "h" <malard@> wrote:
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Hi Jim, I figured it out, I got the file into the psdr folder
          > and no
          > > > > more
          > > > > > error. Thanks so much for the info. Would you know how the line
          > output
          > > > > goes
          > > > > > from the delta 44 for transmit? Right now there connected to the
          > > > speakers
          > > > > > for receive. I tried using the internal soundcard sb x-fi for
          > > > transmit but
          > > > > > still no transmit. I'm not sure how to configure the sound cards
          > > > properly
          > > > > to
          > > > > > get the rxtx to transmit. Receive works fine. Again I'm running
          > > > win7 64bit
          > > > > > with m-audio delta44 and sound blaster x-fi 24bit internal,
          > also have a
          > > > > usb
          > > > > > sb 24 live sound card. Can anyone help? Thanks Alex W6ACT
          > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > > , "h" <malard@> wrote:
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > Thanks Jim,
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > How and where do I get it? I'm not a computer expert. If
          > you could
          > > > > tell
          > > > > > me what to do, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Alex
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "gm3jsx" <gm3jsx@> wrote:
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > Hello Alex.
          > > > > > > > > you need a copy off the Dll'deltapanel,dll in the flex radio
          > > > system
          > > > > > file..
          > > > > > > > > good luck jim
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
          > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "h" <malard@> wrote:
          > > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
          > > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > I'm running win7 64bit system. I have A ensemble rxtx
          > and I'm
          > > > > trying
          > > > > > to get the supported sound card M-audio delta 44 to work. Under the
          > > > audio
          > > > > > tab when I select the delta 44 supported option, I receive an error
          > > > that
          > > > > > says "Unable to load" DLL'deltapnl.dll'. The specified module could
          > > > not be
          > > > > > found. I can ignore the error and continue, but if I do, the
          > computer
          > > > > > crashes and then psdr will not start again until I pull the pci
          > > > card out
          > > > > and
          > > > > > then reinstall it. Just to let you know the delta 44 works fine on
          > > > receive
          > > > > > with unsupported option and running asio drivers either asio4all or
          > > > > M-audio
          > > > > > delta 44 drivers. Would anybody know why I'm getting this error on
          > > > power
          > > > > sdr
          > > > > > boot up with this supported card?
          > > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex
          > > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > >
          > > > > >
          > > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > >
          >
          >
        • Bruce Tanner
          John, that sounds very much like the Edirol FA-66 fire wire interface that I use. Mine has two 1/L and 2/R inputs on the front side of the unit with
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            John, that sounds very much like the Edirol FA-66 fire wire interface
            that I use. Mine has two '1/L' and '2/R' inputs on the front side of
            the unit with associated gain control. I have successfully plugged an
            electret microphone into just the '1/L' preamp connector. It modulates
            the output signal from the rear of the unit and has worked with good
            reports on SSB a number of times for me. Used it in a former Sweepstakes
            weekend and worked 18 sections on one watt out without even trying.

            You might even try loading up the PSDR software choosing the FA-66
            interface, which is one of the 'supported' cards. If it works you in
            like Flynn because you will not have to play with the the VAC
            settings... it just works.

            Bruce, K2BET

            On 3/15/2012 5:21 PM, John Marvin wrote:
            > Bob,
            >
            > As I already mentioned, I have an Echo Audio Firewire based AudioFire8.
            > It has 8 mono inputs and 8 mono outputs (that can be grouped into stereo
            > pairs that look like separate devices). It also has a bunch of other
            > nice features like mike preamps on two of the channels, another 2 in/out
            > spdif, high quality headphone preamp, etc. So I don't want to settle for
            > a Delta 44. I believe I've got something better (that I already have for
            > semi-professional recording work) and I want to make it work. In one
            > sense it can look like two different cards, but all the channels are
            > synchronized. I suspect the Delta 44 also presents itself to windows as
            > multiple devices.
            >
            > Where does PowerSDR get its mike input? I don't see a way of selecting
            > it. Does it the default Windows input device? Why do we need to fudge
            > things using the VAC panel? Is there no way to get PowerSDR to directly
            > access a sound card for mic input if it is not one of the supported cards?
            >
            > Thanks,
            >
            > John
            >
            >
            > On 3/15/2012 3:02 PM, g8voip wrote:
            >> Hi John,
            >>
            >> There is nothing magical about the Delta 44 card being 'supported' in PSDR.
            >>
            >> All the 'supported' feature does is preset a number of parameters, but
            >> if you select the same card as 'unsupported' you can set all of these up
            >> manually and get the same results.
            >>
            >> In 6 years of playing with SDR I have never heard of anyone suceeding in
            >> getting a single stereo or two card solution FULLY functioning for SSB
            >> operation. You can fudge things using the VAC panel to route mic audio
            >> etc, but there are always some features that will not work, RX audio
            >> mute on TX, VOX etc.
            >>
            >> Ultimately you need to use the correct 'tools' for the job.
            >>
            >> If you want to use all of the features of PSDR correctly then if you
            >> have a free internal PCI card slot - Delta 44, USB solution USB2SDR or
            >> Fireware Edirol FA-66 or Presonus Firebox.
            >>
            >> 73, Bob G8VOI
            >>
            >> --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, John Marvin<jm-softrock@...> wrote:
            >> >
            >> > Isn't it more of an issue with an "unsupported" soundcard rather than
            >> > two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better than
            >> > the Delta 44 (Echo Audio AudioFire 8), but as far as I can see so far,
            >> > there is no way of making it work for SSB.
            >> >
            >> > My assumption (which may be wrong) is that PowerSDR uses the default
            >> > audio (as specified frmo the Windows audio recording/playback devices
            >> > control) for input (i.e. mic input) and output (i.e. speaker/headphone
            >> > output). The input/output specified on the audio tab is for the I/Q I/O
            >> > to the Softrock SDR.
            >> >
            >> > But I can't seem to make that work. So is it really an issue with two
            >> > cards, or is it that there is something special about the included
            >> > support for the Delta 44 inside of PowerSDR?
            >> >
            >> > Rather than just saying that two cards won't work, it would be nice to
            >> > get a definitive reason why it won't work (I'm not addressing this
            >> > specifically to Bob, who may or may not know the reason), and how
            >> > PowerSDR chooses its mic input (if it supports it at all) when you
            >> > choose to use an "unsupported" card.
            >> >
            >> > I notice there are unusable receive/transmit menu items on the PowerSDR
            >> > audio tab. Are those only active if you specify a supported card like
            >> > the Delta 44? What do those choices allow when active?
            >> >
            >> > Thanks,
            >> >
            >> > John
            >> > AC0ZG
            >> >
            >> > On 3/15/2012 6:09 AM, g8voip wrote:
            >> > > Hi Joe,
            >> > >
            >> > > Just taking a quick look around the forums whilst I am eating my lunch
            >> > > at work.
            >> > >
            >> > > Well from a lot of personal experience and many months of
            >> frustration, I
            >> > > would say do not bother trying to run SSB with a 2 card solution. I
            >> > > resisted for as long as I could before I finally gave in and purchaed a
            >> > > Delta 44 a four years ago.
            >> > >
            >> > > The only way it is possible with two sound cards is to make use of the
            >> > > PSDR VAC panel and used that to map to another sound card for a mic
            >> > > input. Its a messy way of doing it, and you will run into problems,
            >> from
            >> > > memory the receive audio is not automatically muted when you go to
            >> > > transmit, VOX will not work. Cannot remember all ofthe problems.
            >> > >
            >> > > Some people seem to be happy putting up with these restrictions and not
            >> > > really the intended purpose of the VAC function.
            >> > >
            >> > > Have a go with two sound cards, it will make you really appreciate the
            >> > > Delta 44 when you get that!
            >> > >
            >> > > 73, Bob G8VOI
            >> > >
            >> > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joseph LaFerla"<joe@> wrote:
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Hi Bob
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > What I was hoping was for how to connect the mic input when I am not
            >> > > using
            >> > > > the delta 44. I haven't purchased it yet and was hoping to get
            >> > > powersdr to
            >> > > > work first with two separate sound cards. I know people have said
            >> it is a
            >> > > > challenge but so far I have been able to get powersdr to work for my
            >> > > digital
            >> > > > modes (which don't using a mic) but I cannot figure out how to do
            >> it for
            >> > > > voice. I will likely purchase a delta 44 anyway.
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Using hdsdr I was able to get this working because hdsdr provides a
            >> > > > soundcard selection for microphone input which powersdr does not. But
            >> > > hdsdr
            >> > > > has its other problems and I like powersdr more.
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > 73
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Joe
            >> > > >
            >> > > > VA3JLF
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>] On
            >> > > > Behalf Of g8voip
            >> > > > Sent: March-15-12 3:05 AM
            >> > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Hi Joe,
            >> > > >
            >> > > > If you have the Delta 44 card selected as a 'supported' sound
            >> card all of
            >> > > > the inputs and outpts are automatically allocated as per the
            >> > > configuration I
            >> > > > gave in my last posting, no other set up needed.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > You can adjust the mic gain etc from the main console screen.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
            >> > > >
            >> > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
            >> > > > "Joseph LaFerla"<joe@> wrote:
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > Hi
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > I am trying to get powersdr to work on my system and I know
            >> about the
            >> > > > delta
            >> > > > > 44 and will likely get to use it. However, what I was trying to
            >> > > understand
            >> > > > > is where do you set the mic input in the program setup. Under
            >> the audio
            >> > > > > setup, one can set the input and output sound cards only. Where
            >> > > does one
            >> > > > > set the mic input?
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > 73
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > Joe
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > VA3JLF
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ]
            >> > > > On
            >> > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
            >> > > > > Sent: March-13-12 5:56 PM
            >> > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > Hi Alex,
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > As you have a Delta 44 sound card, that provides all of the
            >> inputs and
            >> > > > > outputs required for transmitting properly using PowerSDR.
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > The standard configuration used by all of the current SDR
            >> programs is:
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > Line Input 1/2 = RX I/Q from Ensemble RXTX
            >> > > > > Line Input 3/4 = Mic input
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > Line Output 1/2 = speaker output
            >> > > > > Line Output 3/4 = TX I/Q output to Ensemble RXTX
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > Only thing you might need to do is make the Delta 44 sound card the
            >> > > > Windows
            >> > > > > 'default' sound card so that it is used by all applications for
            >> driving
            >> > > > the
            >> > > > > speakers etc.
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > Do not be tempted to try and mix using two sound cards,
            >> difficult to
            >> > > > achieve
            >> > > > > good results and a number of features are not supported.
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > The Delta 44 is one of the original sound cards FlexRadio
            >> > > recommended and
            >> > > > > supported for their SDR-1000 transceiver and ideally suited for the
            >> > > > SoftRock
            >> > > > > / Ensemble RXTX use.
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
            >> > > > >
            >> > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
            >> > > > > "h"<malard@> wrote:
            >> > > > > >
            >> > > > > >
            >> > > > > > Hi Jim, I figured it out, I got the file into the psdr folder
            >> and no
            >> > > > more
            >> > > > > error. Thanks so much for the info. Would you know how the line
            >> output
            >> > > > goes
            >> > > > > from the delta 44 for transmit? Right now there connected to the
            >> > > speakers
            >> > > > > for receive. I tried using the internal soundcard sb x-fi for
            >> > > transmit but
            >> > > > > still no transmit. I'm not sure how to configure the sound cards
            >> > > properly
            >> > > > to
            >> > > > > get the rxtx to transmit. Receive works fine. Again I'm running
            >> > > win7 64bit
            >> > > > > with m-audio delta44 and sound blaster x-fi 24bit internal,
            >> also have a
            >> > > > usb
            >> > > > > sb 24 live sound card. Can anyone help? Thanks Alex W6ACT
            >> > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > > , "h"<malard@> wrote:
            >> > > > > > >
            >> > > > > > > Thanks Jim,
            >> > > > > > >
            >> > > > > > > How and where do I get it? I'm not a computer expert. If
            >> you could
            >> > > > tell
            >> > > > > me what to do, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Alex
            >> > > > > > >
            >> > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "gm3jsx"<gm3jsx@> wrote:
            >> > > > > > > >
            >> > > > > > > > Hello Alex.
            >> > > > > > > > you need a copy off the Dll'deltapanel,dll in the flex radio
            >> > > system
            >> > > > > file..
            >> > > > > > > > good luck jim
            >> > > > > > > >
            >> > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
            >> <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
            >> > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "h"<malard@> wrote:
            >> > > > > > > > >
            >> > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
            >> > > > > > > > >
            >> > > > > > > > > I'm running win7 64bit system. I have A ensemble rxtx
            >> and I'm
            >> > > > trying
            >> > > > > to get the supported sound card M-audio delta 44 to work. Under the
            >> > > audio
            >> > > > > tab when I select the delta 44 supported option, I receive an error
            >> > > that
            >> > > > > says "Unable to load" DLL'deltapnl.dll'. The specified module could
            >> > > not be
            >> > > > > found. I can ignore the error and continue, but if I do, the
            >> computer
            >> > > > > crashes and then psdr will not start again until I pull the pci
            >> > > card out
            >> > > > and
            >> > > > > then reinstall it. Just to let you know the delta 44 works fine on
            >> > > receive
            >> > > > > with unsupported option and running asio drivers either asio4all or
            >> > > > M-audio
            >> > > > > delta 44 drivers. Would anybody know why I'm getting this error on
            >> > > power
            >> > > > sdr
            >> > > > > boot up with this supported card?
            >> > > > > > > > >
            >> > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex
            >> > > > > > > > >
            >> > > > > > > >
            >> > > > > > >
            >> > > > > >
            >> > > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > >
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          • g8voip
            Hi John, Whilst your sound card might be better than a Delta 44, if it does not work correctly with PSDR then it is pretty irrelevant. The original question
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              Hi John,

              Whilst your sound card might be better than a Delta 44, if it does not work correctly with PSDR then it is pretty irrelevant.

              The original question started off asking about using the Delta 44 card then later changed to wanting to use two separate cards.

              All I do is try and provide information based on 6 years experience of playing with the SoftRock's and SDR programs and trying to save them a lot of time, effort and possible expense making the wrong choices from the start.

              Been there, got the tee shirt, spent the best part of a year messing around with various combinations of sound cards and did not find a decent workable solution, so went down the Delta 44 route. 30 minutes after installing the card in my PC I had my first SSB QSO, simple as that.

              Christos is in a much better position to perhaps explain the insides of PSDR and how sound cards are handled, but given the large amount of time, effort and expense he has invested in developing his USB2SDR module, I suspect that if there had been an easy solution available to use separate sound cards, he would have explored that option first.

              At the end of the day, many of us are happily using PSDR for all mode operation simply by choosing the best available options supported by the program.

              What the sound card SDR world is perhaps really wanting is a decent alternative to PSDR, however there is nothing suitable on the horizon at the present time.

              73, Bob G8VOI

              --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com, John Marvin <jm-softrock@...> wrote:
              >
              > Bob,
              >
              > As I already mentioned, I have an Echo Audio Firewire based AudioFire8.
              > It has 8 mono inputs and 8 mono outputs (that can be grouped into stereo
              > pairs that look like separate devices). It also has a bunch of other
              > nice features like mike preamps on two of the channels, another 2 in/out
              > spdif, high quality headphone preamp, etc. So I don't want to settle for
              > a Delta 44. I believe I've got something better (that I already have for
              > semi-professional recording work) and I want to make it work. In one
              > sense it can look like two different cards, but all the channels are
              > synchronized. I suspect the Delta 44 also presents itself to windows as
              > multiple devices.
              >
              > Where does PowerSDR get its mike input? I don't see a way of selecting
              > it. Does it the default Windows input device? Why do we need to fudge
              > things using the VAC panel? Is there no way to get PowerSDR to directly
              > access a sound card for mic input if it is not one of the supported cards?
              >
              > Thanks,
              >
              > John
              >
              >
              > On 3/15/2012 3:02 PM, g8voip wrote:
              > > Hi John,
              > >
              > > There is nothing magical about the Delta 44 card being 'supported' in PSDR.
              > >
              > > All the 'supported' feature does is preset a number of parameters, but
              > > if you select the same card as 'unsupported' you can set all of these up
              > > manually and get the same results.
              > >
              > > In 6 years of playing with SDR I have never heard of anyone suceeding in
              > > getting a single stereo or two card solution FULLY functioning for SSB
              > > operation. You can fudge things using the VAC panel to route mic audio
              > > etc, but there are always some features that will not work, RX audio
              > > mute on TX, VOX etc.
              > >
              > > Ultimately you need to use the correct 'tools' for the job.
              > >
              > > If you want to use all of the features of PSDR correctly then if you
              > > have a free internal PCI card slot - Delta 44, USB solution USB2SDR or
              > > Fireware Edirol FA-66 or Presonus Firebox.
              > >
              > > 73, Bob G8VOI
              > >
              > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, John Marvin <jm-softrock@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Isn't it more of an issue with an "unsupported" soundcard rather than
              > > > two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better than
              > > > the Delta 44 (Echo Audio AudioFire 8), but as far as I can see so far,
              > > > there is no way of making it work for SSB.
              > > >
              > > > My assumption (which may be wrong) is that PowerSDR uses the default
              > > > audio (as specified frmo the Windows audio recording/playback devices
              > > > control) for input (i.e. mic input) and output (i.e. speaker/headphone
              > > > output). The input/output specified on the audio tab is for the I/Q I/O
              > > > to the Softrock SDR.
              > > >
              > > > But I can't seem to make that work. So is it really an issue with two
              > > > cards, or is it that there is something special about the included
              > > > support for the Delta 44 inside of PowerSDR?
              > > >
              > > > Rather than just saying that two cards won't work, it would be nice to
              > > > get a definitive reason why it won't work (I'm not addressing this
              > > > specifically to Bob, who may or may not know the reason), and how
              > > > PowerSDR chooses its mic input (if it supports it at all) when you
              > > > choose to use an "unsupported" card.
              > > >
              > > > I notice there are unusable receive/transmit menu items on the PowerSDR
              > > > audio tab. Are those only active if you specify a supported card like
              > > > the Delta 44? What do those choices allow when active?
              > > >
              > > > Thanks,
              > > >
              > > > John
              > > > AC0ZG
              > > >
              > > > On 3/15/2012 6:09 AM, g8voip wrote:
              > > > > Hi Joe,
              > > > >
              > > > > Just taking a quick look around the forums whilst I am eating my lunch
              > > > > at work.
              > > > >
              > > > > Well from a lot of personal experience and many months of
              > > frustration, I
              > > > > would say do not bother trying to run SSB with a 2 card solution. I
              > > > > resisted for as long as I could before I finally gave in and purchaed a
              > > > > Delta 44 a four years ago.
              > > > >
              > > > > The only way it is possible with two sound cards is to make use of the
              > > > > PSDR VAC panel and used that to map to another sound card for a mic
              > > > > input. Its a messy way of doing it, and you will run into problems,
              > > from
              > > > > memory the receive audio is not automatically muted when you go to
              > > > > transmit, VOX will not work. Cannot remember all ofthe problems.
              > > > >
              > > > > Some people seem to be happy putting up with these restrictions and not
              > > > > really the intended purpose of the VAC function.
              > > > >
              > > > > Have a go with two sound cards, it will make you really appreciate the
              > > > > Delta 44 when you get that!
              > > > >
              > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
              > > > >
              > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Hi Bob
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > What I was hoping was for how to connect the mic input when I am not
              > > > > using
              > > > > > the delta 44. I haven't purchased it yet and was hoping to get
              > > > > powersdr to
              > > > > > work first with two separate sound cards. I know people have said
              > > it is a
              > > > > > challenge but so far I have been able to get powersdr to work for my
              > > > > digital
              > > > > > modes (which don't using a mic) but I cannot figure out how to do
              > > it for
              > > > > > voice. I will likely purchase a delta 44 anyway.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Using hdsdr I was able to get this working because hdsdr provides a
              > > > > > soundcard selection for microphone input which powersdr does not. But
              > > > > hdsdr
              > > > > > has its other problems and I like powersdr more.
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > 73
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Joe
              > > > > >
              > > > > > VA3JLF
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>] On
              > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
              > > > > > Sent: March-15-12 3:05 AM
              > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Hi Joe,
              > > > > >
              > > > > > If you have the Delta 44 card selected as a 'supported' sound
              > > card all of
              > > > > > the inputs and outpts are automatically allocated as per the
              > > > > configuration I
              > > > > > gave in my last posting, no other set up needed.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > You can adjust the mic gain etc from the main console screen.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
              > > > > >
              > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
              > > > > > "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Hi
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > I am trying to get powersdr to work on my system and I know
              > > about the
              > > > > > delta
              > > > > > > 44 and will likely get to use it. However, what I was trying to
              > > > > understand
              > > > > > > is where do you set the mic input in the program setup. Under
              > > the audio
              > > > > > > setup, one can set the input and output sound cards only. Where
              > > > > does one
              > > > > > > set the mic input?
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > 73
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Joe
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > VA3JLF
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ]
              > > > > > On
              > > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
              > > > > > > Sent: March-13-12 5:56 PM
              > > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Hi Alex,
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > As you have a Delta 44 sound card, that provides all of the
              > > inputs and
              > > > > > > outputs required for transmitting properly using PowerSDR.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > The standard configuration used by all of the current SDR
              > > programs is:
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Line Input 1/2 = RX I/Q from Ensemble RXTX
              > > > > > > Line Input 3/4 = Mic input
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Line Output 1/2 = speaker output
              > > > > > > Line Output 3/4 = TX I/Q output to Ensemble RXTX
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Only thing you might need to do is make the Delta 44 sound card the
              > > > > > Windows
              > > > > > > 'default' sound card so that it is used by all applications for
              > > driving
              > > > > > the
              > > > > > > speakers etc.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > Do not be tempted to try and mix using two sound cards,
              > > difficult to
              > > > > > achieve
              > > > > > > good results and a number of features are not supported.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > The Delta 44 is one of the original sound cards FlexRadio
              > > > > recommended and
              > > > > > > supported for their SDR-1000 transceiver and ideally suited for the
              > > > > > SoftRock
              > > > > > > / Ensemble RXTX use.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
              > > > > > > "h" <malard@> wrote:
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > Hi Jim, I figured it out, I got the file into the psdr folder
              > > and no
              > > > > > more
              > > > > > > error. Thanks so much for the info. Would you know how the line
              > > output
              > > > > > goes
              > > > > > > from the delta 44 for transmit? Right now there connected to the
              > > > > speakers
              > > > > > > for receive. I tried using the internal soundcard sb x-fi for
              > > > > transmit but
              > > > > > > still no transmit. I'm not sure how to configure the sound cards
              > > > > properly
              > > > > > to
              > > > > > > get the rxtx to transmit. Receive works fine. Again I'm running
              > > > > win7 64bit
              > > > > > > with m-audio delta44 and sound blaster x-fi 24bit internal,
              > > also have a
              > > > > > usb
              > > > > > > sb 24 live sound card. Can anyone help? Thanks Alex W6ACT
              > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > > , "h" <malard@> wrote:
              > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > Thanks Jim,
              > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > How and where do I get it? I'm not a computer expert. If
              > > you could
              > > > > > tell
              > > > > > > me what to do, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Alex
              > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "gm3jsx" <gm3jsx@> wrote:
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > Hello Alex.
              > > > > > > > > > you need a copy off the Dll'deltapanel,dll in the flex radio
              > > > > system
              > > > > > > file..
              > > > > > > > > > good luck jim
              > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
              > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "h" <malard@> wrote:
              > > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
              > > > > > > > > > >
              > > > > > > > > > > I'm running win7 64bit system. I have A ensemble rxtx
              > > and I'm
              > > > > > trying
              > > > > > > to get the supported sound card M-audio delta 44 to work. Under the
              > > > > audio
              > > > > > > tab when I select the delta 44 supported option, I receive an error
              > > > > that
              > > > > > > says "Unable to load" DLL'deltapnl.dll'. The specified module could
              > > > > not be
              > > > > > > found. I can ignore the error and continue, but if I do, the
              > > computer
              > > > > > > crashes and then psdr will not start again until I pull the pci
              > > > > card out
              > > > > > and
              > > > > > > then reinstall it. Just to let you know the delta 44 works fine on
              > > > > receive
              > > > > > > with unsupported option and running asio drivers either asio4all or
              > > > > > M-audio
              > > > > > > delta 44 drivers. Would anybody know why I'm getting this error on
              > > > > power
              > > > > > sdr
              > > > > > > boot up with this supported card?
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              > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex
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            • ericwd9
              PowerSDR/Setup/Primary? set input for RX IQ channel (stereo) Output for TX IQ Ch. (stereo) Receive for headphone or spkr. Transmit for Mike input mono or
              Message 6 of 21 , Mar 15 3:51 PM
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                PowerSDR/Setup/Primary? set input for RX IQ channel (stereo)
                Output for TX IQ Ch. (stereo) Receive for headphone or spkr.
                Transmit for Mike input mono or stereo. VAC is set up only to
                transfer audio in and out from one program to another on the
                same computer eg for digital modes.
                It is not clear if your sound card can present itself as
                stereo pairs. If not I do not think it suitable.
                73 Regards Eric VK5ZAG

                --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com, John Marvin <jm-softrock@...> wrote:
                >
                > Bob,
                >
                > As I already mentioned, I have an Echo Audio Firewire based AudioFire8.
                > It has 8 mono inputs and 8 mono outputs (that can be grouped into stereo
                > pairs that look like separate devices). It also has a bunch of other
                > nice features like mike preamps on two of the channels, another 2 in/out
                > spdif, high quality headphone preamp, etc. So I don't want to settle for
                > a Delta 44. I believe I've got something better (that I already have for
                > semi-professional recording work) and I want to make it work. In one
                > sense it can look like two different cards, but all the channels are
                > synchronized. I suspect the Delta 44 also presents itself to windows as
                > multiple devices.
                >
                > Where does PowerSDR get its mike input? I don't see a way of selecting
                > it. Does it the default Windows input device? Why do we need to fudge
                > things using the VAC panel? Is there no way to get PowerSDR to directly
                > access a sound card for mic input if it is not one of the supported cards?
                >
                > Thanks,
                >
                > John
                >
                >
                > On 3/15/2012 3:02 PM, g8voip wrote:
                > > Hi John,
                > >
                > > There is nothing magical about the Delta 44 card being 'supported' in PSDR.
                > >
                > > All the 'supported' feature does is preset a number of parameters, but
                > > if you select the same card as 'unsupported' you can set all of these up
                > > manually and get the same results.
                > >
                > > In 6 years of playing with SDR I have never heard of anyone suceeding in
                > > getting a single stereo or two card solution FULLY functioning for SSB
                > > operation. You can fudge things using the VAC panel to route mic audio
                > > etc, but there are always some features that will not work, RX audio
                > > mute on TX, VOX etc.
                > >
                > > Ultimately you need to use the correct 'tools' for the job.
                > >
                > > If you want to use all of the features of PSDR correctly then if you
                > > have a free internal PCI card slot - Delta 44, USB solution USB2SDR or
                > > Fireware Edirol FA-66 or Presonus Firebox.
                > >
                > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                > >
                > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, John Marvin <jm-softrock@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Isn't it more of an issue with an "unsupported" soundcard rather than
                > > > two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better than
                > > > the Delta 44 (Echo Audio AudioFire 8), but as far as I can see so far,
                > > > there is no way of making it work for SSB.
                > > >
                > > > My assumption (which may be wrong) is that PowerSDR uses the default
                > > > audio (as specified frmo the Windows audio recording/playback devices
                > > > control) for input (i.e. mic input) and output (i.e. speaker/headphone
                > > > output). The input/output specified on the audio tab is for the I/Q I/O
                > > > to the Softrock SDR.
                > > >
                > > > But I can't seem to make that work. So is it really an issue with two
                > > > cards, or is it that there is something special about the included
                > > > support for the Delta 44 inside of PowerSDR?
                > > >
                > > > Rather than just saying that two cards won't work, it would be nice to
                > > > get a definitive reason why it won't work (I'm not addressing this
                > > > specifically to Bob, who may or may not know the reason), and how
                > > > PowerSDR chooses its mic input (if it supports it at all) when you
                > > > choose to use an "unsupported" card.
                > > >
                > > > I notice there are unusable receive/transmit menu items on the PowerSDR
                > > > audio tab. Are those only active if you specify a supported card like
                > > > the Delta 44? What do those choices allow when active?
                > > >
                > > > Thanks,
                > > >
                > > > John
                > > > AC0ZG
                > > >
                > > > On 3/15/2012 6:09 AM, g8voip wrote:
                > > > > Hi Joe,
                > > > >
                > > > > Just taking a quick look around the forums whilst I am eating my lunch
                > > > > at work.
                > > > >
                > > > > Well from a lot of personal experience and many months of
                > > frustration, I
                > > > > would say do not bother trying to run SSB with a 2 card solution. I
                > > > > resisted for as long as I could before I finally gave in and purchaed a
                > > > > Delta 44 a four years ago.
                > > > >
                > > > > The only way it is possible with two sound cards is to make use of the
                > > > > PSDR VAC panel and used that to map to another sound card for a mic
                > > > > input. Its a messy way of doing it, and you will run into problems,
                > > from
                > > > > memory the receive audio is not automatically muted when you go to
                > > > > transmit, VOX will not work. Cannot remember all ofthe problems.
                > > > >
                > > > > Some people seem to be happy putting up with these restrictions and not
                > > > > really the intended purpose of the VAC function.
                > > > >
                > > > > Have a go with two sound cards, it will make you really appreciate the
                > > > > Delta 44 when you get that!
                > > > >
                > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                > > > >
                > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Hi Bob
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > What I was hoping was for how to connect the mic input when I am not
                > > > > using
                > > > > > the delta 44. I haven't purchased it yet and was hoping to get
                > > > > powersdr to
                > > > > > work first with two separate sound cards. I know people have said
                > > it is a
                > > > > > challenge but so far I have been able to get powersdr to work for my
                > > > > digital
                > > > > > modes (which don't using a mic) but I cannot figure out how to do
                > > it for
                > > > > > voice. I will likely purchase a delta 44 anyway.
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Using hdsdr I was able to get this working because hdsdr provides a
                > > > > > soundcard selection for microphone input which powersdr does not. But
                > > > > hdsdr
                > > > > > has its other problems and I like powersdr more.
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > 73
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Joe
                > > > > >
                > > > > > VA3JLF
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
                > > > > > Sent: March-15-12 3:05 AM
                > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Hi Joe,
                > > > > >
                > > > > > If you have the Delta 44 card selected as a 'supported' sound
                > > card all of
                > > > > > the inputs and outpts are automatically allocated as per the
                > > > > configuration I
                > > > > > gave in my last posting, no other set up needed.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > You can adjust the mic gain etc from the main console screen.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                > > > > >
                > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
                > > > > > "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Hi
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > I am trying to get powersdr to work on my system and I know
                > > about the
                > > > > > delta
                > > > > > > 44 and will likely get to use it. However, what I was trying to
                > > > > understand
                > > > > > > is where do you set the mic input in the program setup. Under
                > > the audio
                > > > > > > setup, one can set the input and output sound cards only. Where
                > > > > does one
                > > > > > > set the mic input?
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > 73
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Joe
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > VA3JLF
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ]
                > > > > > On
                > > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
                > > > > > > Sent: March-13-12 5:56 PM
                > > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Hi Alex,
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > As you have a Delta 44 sound card, that provides all of the
                > > inputs and
                > > > > > > outputs required for transmitting properly using PowerSDR.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > The standard configuration used by all of the current SDR
                > > programs is:
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Line Input 1/2 = RX I/Q from Ensemble RXTX
                > > > > > > Line Input 3/4 = Mic input
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Line Output 1/2 = speaker output
                > > > > > > Line Output 3/4 = TX I/Q output to Ensemble RXTX
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Only thing you might need to do is make the Delta 44 sound card the
                > > > > > Windows
                > > > > > > 'default' sound card so that it is used by all applications for
                > > driving
                > > > > > the
                > > > > > > speakers etc.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Do not be tempted to try and mix using two sound cards,
                > > difficult to
                > > > > > achieve
                > > > > > > good results and a number of features are not supported.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > The Delta 44 is one of the original sound cards FlexRadio
                > > > > recommended and
                > > > > > > supported for their SDR-1000 transceiver and ideally suited for the
                > > > > > SoftRock
                > > > > > > / Ensemble RXTX use.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
                > > > > > > "h" <malard@> wrote:
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > Hi Jim, I figured it out, I got the file into the psdr folder
                > > and no
                > > > > > more
                > > > > > > error. Thanks so much for the info. Would you know how the line
                > > output
                > > > > > goes
                > > > > > > from the delta 44 for transmit? Right now there connected to the
                > > > > speakers
                > > > > > > for receive. I tried using the internal soundcard sb x-fi for
                > > > > transmit but
                > > > > > > still no transmit. I'm not sure how to configure the sound cards
                > > > > properly
                > > > > > to
                > > > > > > get the rxtx to transmit. Receive works fine. Again I'm running
                > > > > win7 64bit
                > > > > > > with m-audio delta44 and sound blaster x-fi 24bit internal,
                > > also have a
                > > > > > usb
                > > > > > > sb 24 live sound card. Can anyone help? Thanks Alex W6ACT
                > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > > , "h" <malard@> wrote:
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > Thanks Jim,
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > How and where do I get it? I'm not a computer expert. If
                > > you could
                > > > > > tell
                > > > > > > me what to do, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Alex
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "gm3jsx" <gm3jsx@> wrote:
                > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > Hello Alex.
                > > > > > > > > > you need a copy off the Dll'deltapanel,dll in the flex radio
                > > > > system
                > > > > > > file..
                > > > > > > > > > good luck jim
                > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "h" <malard@> wrote:
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > I'm running win7 64bit system. I have A ensemble rxtx
                > > and I'm
                > > > > > trying
                > > > > > > to get the supported sound card M-audio delta 44 to work. Under the
                > > > > audio
                > > > > > > tab when I select the delta 44 supported option, I receive an error
                > > > > that
                > > > > > > says "Unable to load" DLL'deltapnl.dll'. The specified module could
                > > > > not be
                > > > > > > found. I can ignore the error and continue, but if I do, the
                > > computer
                > > > > > > crashes and then psdr will not start again until I pull the pci
                > > > > card out
                > > > > > and
                > > > > > > then reinstall it. Just to let you know the delta 44 works fine on
                > > > > receive
                > > > > > > with unsupported option and running asio drivers either asio4all or
                > > > > > M-audio
                > > > > > > delta 44 drivers. Would anybody know why I'm getting this error on
                > > > > power
                > > > > > sdr
                > > > > > > boot up with this supported card?
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex
                > > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > > >
                > > > > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                >
              • John Marvin
                Bob, OK, reading between the lines and the information that the Delta 44 can be made to work in the unsupported case led me to try a different experiment and
                Message 7 of 21 , Mar 15 11:57 PM
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                  Bob,

                  OK, reading  between the lines and the information that the Delta 44 can be made to work in the unsupported case led me to try a different experiment and I got everything to work.

                  I had originally chosen ASIO mode, since that is the mode I am most familiar with when it comes to multi-channel recording. However PowerSDR didn't show individual devices in that case, it just showed the name of the device, i.e. "ASIO Echo FireWire".  I thought that meant that PowerSDR didn't support ASIO for the AudioFire, because it appeared broken (most audio apps still present inputs as either mono or stereo pairs).  Anyway, after rereading your layout of inputs for the Delta 44 I tried using ASIO using the same input/output setup, and everything worked.  One problem is that PowerSDR is expecting the mike on channel 3/4, but the mike preamp is on channel 1/2 on the AudioFire. So I had to connect an external mike preamp to the 3/4 line inputs to get the mike to work. Eventually I may have to download the PowerSDR-IQ source and make a custom version that switches those two input pairs so I can use the built in mike preamps of the AudioFire8.

                  I'm not sure of all the reasons that Christos had for developing the USB2SDR, but I think he was looking for a USB interface (the AudioFire line are all firewire based), USB powered, and 192 Khz sampling.  You don't get 192 Khz samping in the AudioFire line until you go to the AudioFire 12, which is way overkill for SDR (but this does give me another excuse to buy the AudioFire12, and it always helps when two expensive hobbies overlap with shared equipment :) ).

                  So now I also have the answer to why you can't use two soundcards.  PowerSDR doesn't have the options for specifying separate cards for I/Q audio and RX/TX audio.  Actually, it looks like it is almost there, i.e. the menu items for Receive and Transmit are there in the Audio Menu page, but they are greyed out, and I don't know how to enable them.  Instead PowerSDR only supports more than 2 channels in ASIO mode, and it treats the entire device as one multi-channel device rather than separate stereo pairs (I had also wondered what the "Channels" menu item was for, and now I know -- although I wonder what PowerSDR would do if I chose to set Channels to 6).

                  Anyway, thanks for the time you take to help on this list.

                  John

                  On 3/15/2012 4:34 PM, g8voip wrote:
                   

                  Hi John,

                  Whilst your sound card might be better than a Delta 44, if it does not work correctly with PSDR then it is pretty irrelevant.

                  The original question started off asking about using the Delta 44 card then later changed to wanting to use two separate cards.

                  All I do is try and provide information based on 6 years experience of playing with the SoftRock's and SDR programs and trying to save them a lot of time, effort and possible expense making the wrong choices from the start.

                  Been there, got the tee shirt, spent the best part of a year messing around with various combinations of sound cards and did not find a decent workable solution, so went down the Delta 44 route. 30 minutes after installing the card in my PC I had my first SSB QSO, simple as that.

                  Christos is in a much better position to perhaps explain the insides of PSDR and how sound cards are handled, but given the large amount of time, effort and expense he has invested in developing his USB2SDR module, I suspect that if there had been an easy solution available to use separate sound cards, he would have explored that option first.

                  At the end of the day, many of us are happily using PSDR for all mode operation simply by choosing the best available options supported by the program.

                  What the sound card SDR world is perhaps really wanting is a decent alternative to PSDR, however there is nothing suitable on the horizon at the present time.

                  73, Bob G8VOI

                  --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com, John Marvin <jm-softrock@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Bob,
                  >
                  > As I already mentioned, I have an Echo Audio Firewire based AudioFire8.
                  > It has 8 mono inputs and 8 mono outputs (that can be grouped into stereo
                  > pairs that look like separate devices). It also has a bunch of other
                  > nice features like mike preamps on two of the channels, another 2 in/out
                  > spdif, high quality headphone preamp, etc. So I don't want to settle for
                  > a Delta 44. I believe I've got something better (that I already have for
                  > semi-professional recording work) and I want to make it work. In one
                  > sense it can look like two different cards, but all the channels are
                  > synchronized. I suspect the Delta 44 also presents itself to windows as
                  > multiple devices.
                  >
                  > Where does PowerSDR get its mike input? I don't see a way of selecting
                  > it. Does it the default Windows input device? Why do we need to fudge
                  > things using the VAC panel? Is there no way to get PowerSDR to directly
                  > access a sound card for mic input if it is not one of the supported cards?
                  >
                  > Thanks,
                  >
                  > John
                  >
                  >
                  > On 3/15/2012 3:02 PM, g8voip wrote:
                  > > Hi John,
                  > >
                  > > There is nothing magical about the Delta 44 card being 'supported' in PSDR.
                  > >
                  > > All the 'supported' feature does is preset a number of parameters, but
                  > > if you select the same card as 'unsupported' you can set all of these up
                  > > manually and get the same results.
                  > >
                  > > In 6 years of playing with SDR I have never heard of anyone suceeding in
                  > > getting a single stereo or two card solution FULLY functioning for SSB
                  > > operation. You can fudge things using the VAC panel to route mic audio
                  > > etc, but there are always some features that will not work, RX audio
                  > > mute on TX, VOX etc.
                  > >
                  > > Ultimately you need to use the correct 'tools' for the job.
                  > >
                  > > If you want to use all of the features of PSDR correctly then if you
                  > > have a free internal PCI card slot - Delta 44, USB solution USB2SDR or
                  > > Fireware Edirol FA-66 or Presonus Firebox.
                  > >
                  > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                  > >
                  > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, John Marvin <jm-softrock@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Isn't it more of an issue with an "unsupported" soundcard rather than
                  > > > two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better than
                  > > > the Delta 44 (Echo Audio AudioFire 8), but as far as I can see so far,
                  > > > there is no way of making it work for SSB.
                  > > >
                  > > > My assumption (which may be wrong) is that PowerSDR uses the default
                  > > > audio (as specified frmo the Windows audio recording/playback devices
                  > > > control) for input (i.e. mic input) and output (i.e. speaker/headphone
                  > > > output). The input/output specified on the audio tab is for the I/Q I/O
                  > > > to the Softrock SDR.
                  > > >
                  > > > But I can't seem to make that work. So is it really an issue with two
                  > > > cards, or is it that there is something special about the included
                  > > > support for the Delta 44 inside of PowerSDR?
                  > > >
                  > > > Rather than just saying that two cards won't work, it would be nice to
                  > > > get a definitive reason why it won't work (I'm not addressing this
                  > > > specifically to Bob, who may or may not know the reason), and how
                  > > > PowerSDR chooses its mic input (if it supports it at all) when you
                  > > > choose to use an "unsupported" card.
                  > > >
                  > > > I notice there are unusable receive/transmit menu items on the PowerSDR
                  > > > audio tab. Are those only active if you specify a supported card like
                  > > > the Delta 44? What do those choices allow when active?
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks,
                  > > >
                  > > > John
                  > > > AC0ZG
                  > > >
                  > > > On 3/15/2012 6:09 AM, g8voip wrote:
                  > > > > Hi Joe,
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Just taking a quick look around the forums whilst I am eating my lunch
                  > > > > at work.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Well from a lot of personal experience and many months of
                  > > frustration, I
                  > > > > would say do not bother trying to run SSB with a 2 card solution. I
                  > > > > resisted for as long as I could before I finally gave in and purchaed a
                  > > > > Delta 44 a four years ago.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > The only way it is possible with two sound cards is to make use of the
                  > > > > PSDR VAC panel and used that to map to another sound card for a mic
                  > > > > input. Its a messy way of doing it, and you will run into problems,
                  > > from
                  > > > > memory the receive audio is not automatically muted when you go to
                  > > > > transmit, VOX will not work. Cannot remember all ofthe problems.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Some people seem to be happy putting up with these restrictions and not
                  > > > > really the intended purpose of the VAC function.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Have a go with two sound cards, it will make you really appreciate the
                  > > > > Delta 44 when you get that!
                  > > > >
                  > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                  > > > >
                  > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Hi Bob
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > What I was hoping was for how to connect the mic input when I am not
                  > > > > using
                  > > > > > the delta 44. I haven't purchased it yet and was hoping to get
                  > > > > powersdr to
                  > > > > > work first with two separate sound cards. I know people have said
                  > > it is a
                  > > > > > challenge but so far I have been able to get powersdr to work for my
                  > > > > digital
                  > > > > > modes (which don't using a mic) but I cannot figure out how to do
                  > > it for
                  > > > > > voice. I will likely purchase a delta 44 anyway.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Using hdsdr I was able to get this working because hdsdr provides a
                  > > > > > soundcard selection for microphone input which powersdr does not. But
                  > > > > hdsdr
                  > > > > > has its other problems and I like powersdr more.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > 73
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Joe
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > VA3JLF
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                  > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
                  > > > > > Sent: March-15-12 3:05 AM
                  > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Hi Joe,
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > If you have the Delta 44 card selected as a 'supported' sound
                  > > card all of
                  > > > > > the inputs and outpts are automatically allocated as per the
                  > > > > configuration I
                  > > > > > gave in my last posting, no other set up needed.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > You can adjust the mic gain etc from the main console screen.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
                  > > > > > "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Hi
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > I am trying to get powersdr to work on my system and I know
                  > > about the
                  > > > > > delta
                  > > > > > > 44 and will likely get to use it. However, what I was trying to
                  > > > > understand
                  > > > > > > is where do you set the mic input in the program setup. Under
                  > > the audio
                  > > > > > > setup, one can set the input and output sound cards only. Where
                  > > > > does one
                  > > > > > > set the mic input?
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > 73
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Joe
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > VA3JLF
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ]
                  > > > > > On
                  > > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
                  > > > > > > Sent: March-13-12 5:56 PM
                  > > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Hi Alex,
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > As you have a Delta 44 sound card, that provides all of the
                  > > inputs and
                  > > > > > > outputs required for transmitting properly using PowerSDR.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > The standard configuration used by all of the current SDR
                  > > programs is:
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Line Input 1/2 = RX I/Q from Ensemble RXTX
                  > > > > > > Line Input 3/4 = Mic input
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Line Output 1/2 = speaker output
                  > > > > > > Line Output 3/4 = TX I/Q output to Ensemble RXTX
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Only thing you might need to do is make the Delta 44 sound card the
                  > > > > > Windows
                  > > > > > > 'default' sound card so that it is used by all applications for
                  > > driving
                  > > > > > the
                  > > > > > > speakers etc.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Do not be tempted to try and mix using two sound cards,
                  > > difficult to
                  > > > > > achieve
                  > > > > > > good results and a number of features are not supported.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > The Delta 44 is one of the original sound cards FlexRadio
                  > > > > recommended and
                  > > > > > > supported for their SDR-1000 transceiver and ideally suited for the
                  > > > > > SoftRock
                  > > > > > > / Ensemble RXTX use.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
                  > > > > > > "h" <malard@> wrote:
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > Hi Jim, I figured it out, I got the file into the psdr folder
                  > > and no
                  > > > > > more
                  > > > > > > error. Thanks so much for the info. Would you know how the line
                  > > output
                  > > > > > goes
                  > > > > > > from the delta 44 for transmit? Right now there connected to the
                  > > > > speakers
                  > > > > > > for receive. I tried using the internal soundcard sb x-fi for
                  > > > > transmit but
                  > > > > > > still no transmit. I'm not sure how to configure the sound cards
                  > > > > properly
                  > > > > > to
                  > > > > > > get the rxtx to transmit. Receive works fine. Again I'm running
                  > > > > win7 64bit
                  > > > > > > with m-audio delta44 and sound blaster x-fi 24bit internal,
                  > > also have a
                  > > > > > usb
                  > > > > > > sb 24 live sound card. Can anyone help? Thanks Alex W6ACT
                  > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > , "h" <malard@> wrote:
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > Thanks Jim,
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > How and where do I get it? I'm not a computer expert. If
                  > > you could
                  > > > > > tell
                  > > > > > > me what to do, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Alex
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "gm3jsx" <gm3jsx@> wrote:
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > Hello Alex.
                  > > > > > > > > > you need a copy off the Dll'deltapanel,dll in the flex radio
                  > > > > system
                  > > > > > > file..
                  > > > > > > > > > good luck jim
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                  > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "h" <malard@> wrote:
                  > > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
                  > > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > I'm running win7 64bit system. I have A ensemble rxtx
                  > > and I'm
                  > > > > > trying
                  > > > > > > to get the supported sound card M-audio delta 44 to work. Under the
                  > > > > audio
                  > > > > > > tab when I select the delta 44 supported option, I receive an error
                  > > > > that
                  > > > > > > says "Unable to load" DLL'deltapnl.dll'. The specified module could
                  > > > > not be
                  > > > > > > found. I can ignore the error and continue, but if I do, the
                  > > computer
                  > > > > > > crashes and then psdr will not start again until I pull the pci
                  > > > > card out
                  > > > > > and
                  > > > > > > then reinstall it. Just to let you know the delta 44 works fine on
                  > > > > receive
                  > > > > > > with unsupported option and running asio drivers either asio4all or
                  > > > > > M-audio
                  > > > > > > delta 44 drivers. Would anybody know why I'm getting this error on
                  > > > > power
                  > > > > > sdr
                  > > > > > > boot up with this supported card?
                  > > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex
                  > > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > >
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >


                • John Marvin
                  Eric, Thanks, I got it to work via another method using the ASIO driver. But I m not sure the method you explain below would work with PowerSDR-IQ. As far as
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                    Eric,

                    Thanks, I got it to work via another method using the ASIO driver.  But I'm not sure the method you explain below would work with PowerSDR-IQ.  As far as I can tell, the Receive and Transmit menu items are always greyed out. I can't seem to find a sequence that allows them to work.  I believe if you could get them enabled it might be possible to enable two soundcards, because that would allow you to specify an alternate stereo pair for mike input and speaker output. Do you know how to enable the transmit/receive menu items?

                    I am running PowerSDR-IQ V1.19.3.15. Perhaps you are talking about a different version?

                    Thanks,

                    John


                    On 3/15/2012 4:51 PM, ericwd9 wrote:
                     

                    PowerSDR/Setup/Primary? set input for RX IQ channel (stereo)
                    Output for TX IQ Ch. (stereo) Receive for headphone or spkr.
                    Transmit for Mike input mono or stereo. VAC is set up only to
                    transfer audio in and out from one program to another on the
                    same computer eg for digital modes.
                    It is not clear if your sound card can present itself as
                    stereo pairs. If not I do not think it suitable.
                    73 Regards Eric VK5ZAG

                    --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com, John Marvin <jm-softrock@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Bob,
                    >
                    > As I already mentioned, I have an Echo Audio Firewire based AudioFire8.
                    > It has 8 mono inputs and 8 mono outputs (that can be grouped into stereo
                    > pairs that look like separate devices). It also has a bunch of other
                    > nice features like mike preamps on two of the channels, another 2 in/out
                    > spdif, high quality headphone preamp, etc. So I don't want to settle for
                    > a Delta 44. I believe I've got something better (that I already have for
                    > semi-professional recording work) and I want to make it work. In one
                    > sense it can look like two different cards, but all the channels are
                    > synchronized. I suspect the Delta 44 also presents itself to windows as
                    > multiple devices.
                    >
                    > Where does PowerSDR get its mike input? I don't see a way of selecting
                    > it. Does it the default Windows input device? Why do we need to fudge
                    > things using the VAC panel? Is there no way to get PowerSDR to directly
                    > access a sound card for mic input if it is not one of the supported cards?
                    >
                    > Thanks,
                    >
                    > John
                    >
                    >
                    > On 3/15/2012 3:02 PM, g8voip wrote:
                    > > Hi John,
                    > >
                    > > There is nothing magical about the Delta 44 card being 'supported' in PSDR.
                    > >
                    > > All the 'supported' feature does is preset a number of parameters, but
                    > > if you select the same card as 'unsupported' you can set all of these up
                    > > manually and get the same results.
                    > >
                    > > In 6 years of playing with SDR I have never heard of anyone suceeding in
                    > > getting a single stereo or two card solution FULLY functioning for SSB
                    > > operation. You can fudge things using the VAC panel to route mic audio
                    > > etc, but there are always some features that will not work, RX audio
                    > > mute on TX, VOX etc.
                    > >
                    > > Ultimately you need to use the correct 'tools' for the job.
                    > >
                    > > If you want to use all of the features of PSDR correctly then if you
                    > > have a free internal PCI card slot - Delta 44, USB solution USB2SDR or
                    > > Fireware Edirol FA-66 or Presonus Firebox.
                    > >
                    > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                    > >
                    > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, John Marvin <jm-softrock@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Isn't it more of an issue with an "unsupported" soundcard rather than
                    > > > two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better than
                    > > > the Delta 44 (Echo Audio AudioFire 8), but as far as I can see so far,
                    > > > there is no way of making it work for SSB.
                    > > >
                    > > > My assumption (which may be wrong) is that PowerSDR uses the default
                    > > > audio (as specified frmo the Windows audio recording/playback devices
                    > > > control) for input (i.e. mic input) and output (i.e. speaker/headphone
                    > > > output). The input/output specified on the audio tab is for the I/Q I/O
                    > > > to the Softrock SDR.
                    > > >
                    > > > But I can't seem to make that work. So is it really an issue with two
                    > > > cards, or is it that there is something special about the included
                    > > > support for the Delta 44 inside of PowerSDR?
                    > > >
                    > > > Rather than just saying that two cards won't work, it would be nice to
                    > > > get a definitive reason why it won't work (I'm not addressing this
                    > > > specifically to Bob, who may or may not know the reason), and how
                    > > > PowerSDR chooses its mic input (if it supports it at all) when you
                    > > > choose to use an "unsupported" card.
                    > > >
                    > > > I notice there are unusable receive/transmit menu items on the PowerSDR
                    > > > audio tab. Are those only active if you specify a supported card like
                    > > > the Delta 44? What do those choices allow when active?
                    > > >
                    > > > Thanks,
                    > > >
                    > > > John
                    > > > AC0ZG
                    > > >
                    > > > On 3/15/2012 6:09 AM, g8voip wrote:
                    > > > > Hi Joe,
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Just taking a quick look around the forums whilst I am eating my lunch
                    > > > > at work.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Well from a lot of personal experience and many months of
                    > > frustration, I
                    > > > > would say do not bother trying to run SSB with a 2 card solution. I
                    > > > > resisted for as long as I could before I finally gave in and purchaed a
                    > > > > Delta 44 a four years ago.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > The only way it is possible with two sound cards is to make use of the
                    > > > > PSDR VAC panel and used that to map to another sound card for a mic
                    > > > > input. Its a messy way of doing it, and you will run into problems,
                    > > from
                    > > > > memory the receive audio is not automatically muted when you go to
                    > > > > transmit, VOX will not work. Cannot remember all ofthe problems.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Some people seem to be happy putting up with these restrictions and not
                    > > > > really the intended purpose of the VAC function.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Have a go with two sound cards, it will make you really appreciate the
                    > > > > Delta 44 when you get that!
                    > > > >
                    > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Hi Bob
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > What I was hoping was for how to connect the mic input when I am not
                    > > > > using
                    > > > > > the delta 44. I haven't purchased it yet and was hoping to get
                    > > > > powersdr to
                    > > > > > work first with two separate sound cards. I know people have said
                    > > it is a
                    > > > > > challenge but so far I have been able to get powersdr to work for my
                    > > > > digital
                    > > > > > modes (which don't using a mic) but I cannot figure out how to do
                    > > it for
                    > > > > > voice. I will likely purchase a delta 44 anyway.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Using hdsdr I was able to get this working because hdsdr provides a
                    > > > > > soundcard selection for microphone input which powersdr does not. But
                    > > > > hdsdr
                    > > > > > has its other problems and I like powersdr more.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > 73
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Joe
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > VA3JLF
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                    > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
                    > > > > > Sent: March-15-12 3:05 AM
                    > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Hi Joe,
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > If you have the Delta 44 card selected as a 'supported' sound
                    > > card all of
                    > > > > > the inputs and outpts are automatically allocated as per the
                    > > > > configuration I
                    > > > > > gave in my last posting, no other set up needed.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > You can adjust the mic gain etc from the main console screen.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
                    > > > > > "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Hi
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > I am trying to get powersdr to work on my system and I know
                    > > about the
                    > > > > > delta
                    > > > > > > 44 and will likely get to use it. However, what I was trying to
                    > > > > understand
                    > > > > > > is where do you set the mic input in the program setup. Under
                    > > the audio
                    > > > > > > setup, one can set the input and output sound cards only. Where
                    > > > > does one
                    > > > > > > set the mic input?
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > 73
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Joe
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > VA3JLF
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ]
                    > > > > > On
                    > > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
                    > > > > > > Sent: March-13-12 5:56 PM
                    > > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Hi Alex,
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > As you have a Delta 44 sound card, that provides all of the
                    > > inputs and
                    > > > > > > outputs required for transmitting properly using PowerSDR.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > The standard configuration used by all of the current SDR
                    > > programs is:
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Line Input 1/2 = RX I/Q from Ensemble RXTX
                    > > > > > > Line Input 3/4 = Mic input
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Line Output 1/2 = speaker output
                    > > > > > > Line Output 3/4 = TX I/Q output to Ensemble RXTX
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Only thing you might need to do is make the Delta 44 sound card the
                    > > > > > Windows
                    > > > > > > 'default' sound card so that it is used by all applications for
                    > > driving
                    > > > > > the
                    > > > > > > speakers etc.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Do not be tempted to try and mix using two sound cards,
                    > > difficult to
                    > > > > > achieve
                    > > > > > > good results and a number of features are not supported.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > The Delta 44 is one of the original sound cards FlexRadio
                    > > > > recommended and
                    > > > > > > supported for their SDR-1000 transceiver and ideally suited for the
                    > > > > > SoftRock
                    > > > > > > / Ensemble RXTX use.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
                    > > > > > > "h" <malard@> wrote:
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Hi Jim, I figured it out, I got the file into the psdr folder
                    > > and no
                    > > > > > more
                    > > > > > > error. Thanks so much for the info. Would you know how the line
                    > > output
                    > > > > > goes
                    > > > > > > from the delta 44 for transmit? Right now there connected to the
                    > > > > speakers
                    > > > > > > for receive. I tried using the internal soundcard sb x-fi for
                    > > > > transmit but
                    > > > > > > still no transmit. I'm not sure how to configure the sound cards
                    > > > > properly
                    > > > > > to
                    > > > > > > get the rxtx to transmit. Receive works fine. Again I'm running
                    > > > > win7 64bit
                    > > > > > > with m-audio delta44 and sound blaster x-fi 24bit internal,
                    > > also have a
                    > > > > > usb
                    > > > > > > sb 24 live sound card. Can anyone help? Thanks Alex W6ACT
                    > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > > , "h" <malard@> wrote:
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > Thanks Jim,
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > How and where do I get it? I'm not a computer expert. If
                    > > you could
                    > > > > > tell
                    > > > > > > me what to do, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Alex
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "gm3jsx" <gm3jsx@> wrote:
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > Hello Alex.
                    > > > > > > > > > you need a copy off the Dll'deltapanel,dll in the flex radio
                    > > > > system
                    > > > > > > file..
                    > > > > > > > > > good luck jim
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                    > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "h" <malard@> wrote:
                    > > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
                    > > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > I'm running win7 64bit system. I have A ensemble rxtx
                    > > and I'm
                    > > > > > trying
                    > > > > > > to get the supported sound card M-audio delta 44 to work. Under the
                    > > > > audio
                    > > > > > > tab when I select the delta 44 supported option, I receive an error
                    > > > > that
                    > > > > > > says "Unable to load" DLL'deltapnl.dll'. The specified module could
                    > > > > not be
                    > > > > > > found. I can ignore the error and continue, but if I do, the
                    > > computer
                    > > > > > > crashes and then psdr will not start again until I pull the pci
                    > > > > card out
                    > > > > > and
                    > > > > > > then reinstall it. Just to let you know the delta 44 works fine on
                    > > > > receive
                    > > > > > > with unsupported option and running asio drivers either asio4all or
                    > > > > > M-audio
                    > > > > > > delta 44 drivers. Would anybody know why I'm getting this error on
                    > > > > power
                    > > > > > sdr
                    > > > > > > boot up with this supported card?
                    > > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex
                    > > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    >


                  • g8voip
                    Hi John, Thanks for that information, very interesting! I had not made the link between using ASIO drivers in supported mode, automatically defaults to the
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                      Hi John,

                      Thanks for that information, very interesting!

                      I had not made the link between using ASIO drivers in 'supported' mode, automatically defaults to the Delta ASIO driver.

                      Never paid it much attention to it as I had previously used the ASIO4ALL drivers with my SoundBlaster Live and Audigy 2ZS cards.

                      The other thing I was going to mention but then forgot was the Delta 44 does not have to be the Windows default sound card.

                      When I first installed it in my PC, I used a separate set of speakers with it, but eventually got around to making it the Windows default sound system as it was far better thabn my motherboard sound for all applications.

                      Good that you have got your card up and running now.

                      73, Bob G8VOI

                      --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com, John Marvin <jm-softrock@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Bob,
                      >
                      > OK, reading between the lines and the information that the Delta 44 can
                      > be made to work in the unsupported case led me to try a different
                      > experiment and I got everything to work.
                      >
                      > I had originally chosen ASIO mode, since that is the mode I am most
                      > familiar with when it comes to multi-channel recording. However PowerSDR
                      > didn't show individual devices in that case, it just showed the name of
                      > the device, i.e. "ASIO Echo FireWire". I thought that meant that
                      > PowerSDR didn't support ASIO for the AudioFire, because it appeared
                      > broken (most audio apps still present inputs as either mono or stereo
                      > pairs). Anyway, after rereading your layout of inputs for the Delta 44
                      > I tried using ASIO using the same input/output setup, and everything
                      > worked. One problem is that PowerSDR is expecting the mike on channel
                      > 3/4, but the mike preamp is on channel 1/2 on the AudioFire. So I had to
                      > connect an external mike preamp to the 3/4 line inputs to get the mike
                      > to work. Eventually I may have to download the PowerSDR-IQ source and
                      > make a custom version that switches those two input pairs so I can use
                      > the built in mike preamps of the AudioFire8.
                      >
                      > I'm not sure of all the reasons that Christos had for developing the
                      > USB2SDR, but I think he was looking for a USB interface (the AudioFire
                      > line are all firewire based), USB powered, and 192 Khz sampling. You
                      > don't get 192 Khz samping in the AudioFire line until you go to the
                      > AudioFire 12, which is way overkill for SDR (but this does give me
                      > another excuse to buy the AudioFire12, and it always helps when two
                      > expensive hobbies overlap with shared equipment :) ).
                      >
                      > So now I also have the answer to why you can't use two soundcards.
                      > PowerSDR doesn't have the options for specifying separate cards for I/Q
                      > audio and RX/TX audio. Actually, it looks like it is almost there, i.e.
                      > the menu items for Receive and Transmit are there in the Audio Menu
                      > page, but they are greyed out, and I don't know how to enable them.
                      > Instead PowerSDR only supports more than 2 channels in ASIO mode, and it
                      > treats the entire device as one multi-channel device rather than
                      > separate stereo pairs (I had also wondered what the "Channels" menu item
                      > was for, and now I know -- although I wonder what PowerSDR would do if I
                      > chose to set Channels to 6).
                      >
                      > Anyway, thanks for the time you take to help on this list.
                      >
                      > John
                      >
                      > On 3/15/2012 4:34 PM, g8voip wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Hi John,
                      > >
                      > > Whilst your sound card might be better than a Delta 44, if it does not
                      > > work correctly with PSDR then it is pretty irrelevant.
                      > >
                      > > The original question started off asking about using the Delta 44 card
                      > > then later changed to wanting to use two separate cards.
                      > >
                      > > All I do is try and provide information based on 6 years experience of
                      > > playing with the SoftRock's and SDR programs and trying to save them a
                      > > lot of time, effort and possible expense making the wrong choices from
                      > > the start.
                      > >
                      > > Been there, got the tee shirt, spent the best part of a year messing
                      > > around with various combinations of sound cards and did not find a
                      > > decent workable solution, so went down the Delta 44 route. 30 minutes
                      > > after installing the card in my PC I had my first SSB QSO, simple as that.
                      > >
                      > > Christos is in a much better position to perhaps explain the insides
                      > > of PSDR and how sound cards are handled, but given the large amount of
                      > > time, effort and expense he has invested in developing his USB2SDR
                      > > module, I suspect that if there had been an easy solution available to
                      > > use separate sound cards, he would have explored that option first.
                      > >
                      > > At the end of the day, many of us are happily using PSDR for all mode
                      > > operation simply by choosing the best available options supported by
                      > > the program.
                      > >
                      > > What the sound card SDR world is perhaps really wanting is a decent
                      > > alternative to PSDR, however there is nothing suitable on the horizon
                      > > at the present time.
                      > >
                      > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                      > >
                      > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, John Marvin <jm-softrock@>
                      > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Bob,
                      > > >
                      > > > As I already mentioned, I have an Echo Audio Firewire based AudioFire8.
                      > > > It has 8 mono inputs and 8 mono outputs (that can be grouped into
                      > > stereo
                      > > > pairs that look like separate devices). It also has a bunch of other
                      > > > nice features like mike preamps on two of the channels, another 2
                      > > in/out
                      > > > spdif, high quality headphone preamp, etc. So I don't want to settle
                      > > for
                      > > > a Delta 44. I believe I've got something better (that I already have
                      > > for
                      > > > semi-professional recording work) and I want to make it work. In one
                      > > > sense it can look like two different cards, but all the channels are
                      > > > synchronized. I suspect the Delta 44 also presents itself to windows as
                      > > > multiple devices.
                      > > >
                      > > > Where does PowerSDR get its mike input? I don't see a way of selecting
                      > > > it. Does it the default Windows input device? Why do we need to fudge
                      > > > things using the VAC panel? Is there no way to get PowerSDR to directly
                      > > > access a sound card for mic input if it is not one of the supported
                      > > cards?
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks,
                      > > >
                      > > > John
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > On 3/15/2012 3:02 PM, g8voip wrote:
                      > > > > Hi John,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > There is nothing magical about the Delta 44 card being 'supported'
                      > > in PSDR.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > All the 'supported' feature does is preset a number of parameters, but
                      > > > > if you select the same card as 'unsupported' you can set all of
                      > > these up
                      > > > > manually and get the same results.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > In 6 years of playing with SDR I have never heard of anyone
                      > > suceeding in
                      > > > > getting a single stereo or two card solution FULLY functioning for SSB
                      > > > > operation. You can fudge things using the VAC panel to route mic audio
                      > > > > etc, but there are always some features that will not work, RX audio
                      > > > > mute on TX, VOX etc.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Ultimately you need to use the correct 'tools' for the job.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > If you want to use all of the features of PSDR correctly then if you
                      > > > > have a free internal PCI card slot - Delta 44, USB solution USB2SDR or
                      > > > > Fireware Edirol FA-66 or Presonus Firebox.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, John Marvin <jm-softrock@>
                      > > wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Isn't it more of an issue with an "unsupported" soundcard rather
                      > > than
                      > > > > > two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better
                      > > than
                      > > > > > the Delta 44 (Echo Audio AudioFire 8), but as far as I can see
                      > > so far,
                      > > > > > there is no way of making it work for SSB.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > My assumption (which may be wrong) is that PowerSDR uses the default
                      > > > > > audio (as specified frmo the Windows audio recording/playback
                      > > devices
                      > > > > > control) for input (i.e. mic input) and output (i.e.
                      > > speaker/headphone
                      > > > > > output). The input/output specified on the audio tab is for the
                      > > I/Q I/O
                      > > > > > to the Softrock SDR.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > But I can't seem to make that work. So is it really an issue
                      > > with two
                      > > > > > cards, or is it that there is something special about the included
                      > > > > > support for the Delta 44 inside of PowerSDR?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Rather than just saying that two cards won't work, it would be
                      > > nice to
                      > > > > > get a definitive reason why it won't work (I'm not addressing this
                      > > > > > specifically to Bob, who may or may not know the reason), and how
                      > > > > > PowerSDR chooses its mic input (if it supports it at all) when you
                      > > > > > choose to use an "unsupported" card.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I notice there are unusable receive/transmit menu items on the
                      > > PowerSDR
                      > > > > > audio tab. Are those only active if you specify a supported card
                      > > like
                      > > > > > the Delta 44? What do those choices allow when active?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Thanks,
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > John
                      > > > > > AC0ZG
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > On 3/15/2012 6:09 AM, g8voip wrote:
                      > > > > > > Hi Joe,
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Just taking a quick look around the forums whilst I am eating
                      > > my lunch
                      > > > > > > at work.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Well from a lot of personal experience and many months of
                      > > > > frustration, I
                      > > > > > > would say do not bother trying to run SSB with a 2 card
                      > > solution. I
                      > > > > > > resisted for as long as I could before I finally gave in and
                      > > purchaed a
                      > > > > > > Delta 44 a four years ago.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > The only way it is possible with two sound cards is to make
                      > > use of the
                      > > > > > > PSDR VAC panel and used that to map to another sound card for
                      > > a mic
                      > > > > > > input. Its a messy way of doing it, and you will run into
                      > > problems,
                      > > > > from
                      > > > > > > memory the receive audio is not automatically muted when you go to
                      > > > > > > transmit, VOX will not work. Cannot remember all ofthe problems.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Some people seem to be happy putting up with these
                      > > restrictions and not
                      > > > > > > really the intended purpose of the VAC function.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Have a go with two sound cards, it will make you really
                      > > appreciate the
                      > > > > > > Delta 44 when you get that!
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joseph LaFerla"
                      > > <joe@> wrote:
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Hi Bob
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > What I was hoping was for how to connect the mic input when
                      > > I am not
                      > > > > > > using
                      > > > > > > > the delta 44. I haven't purchased it yet and was hoping to get
                      > > > > > > powersdr to
                      > > > > > > > work first with two separate sound cards. I know people have
                      > > said
                      > > > > it is a
                      > > > > > > > challenge but so far I have been able to get powersdr to
                      > > work for my
                      > > > > > > digital
                      > > > > > > > modes (which don't using a mic) but I cannot figure out how
                      > > to do
                      > > > > it for
                      > > > > > > > voice. I will likely purchase a delta 44 anyway.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Using hdsdr I was able to get this working because hdsdr
                      > > provides a
                      > > > > > > > soundcard selection for microphone input which powersdr does
                      > > not. But
                      > > > > > > hdsdr
                      > > > > > > > has its other problems and I like powersdr more.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > 73
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Joe
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > VA3JLF
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                      > > > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
                      > > > > > > > Sent: March-15-12 3:05 AM
                      > > > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > If you have the Delta 44 card selected as a 'supported' sound
                      > > > > card all of
                      > > > > > > > the inputs and outpts are automatically allocated as per the
                      > > > > > > configuration I
                      > > > > > > > gave in my last posting, no other set up needed.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > You can adjust the mic gain etc from the main console screen.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
                      > > > > > > > "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Hi
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > I am trying to get powersdr to work on my system and I know
                      > > > > about the
                      > > > > > > > delta
                      > > > > > > > > 44 and will likely get to use it. However, what I was
                      > > trying to
                      > > > > > > understand
                      > > > > > > > > is where do you set the mic input in the program setup. Under
                      > > > > the audio
                      > > > > > > > > setup, one can set the input and output sound cards only.
                      > > Where
                      > > > > > > does one
                      > > > > > > > > set the mic input?
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > 73
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Joe
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > VA3JLF
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ]
                      > > > > > > > On
                      > > > > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
                      > > > > > > > > Sent: March-13-12 5:56 PM
                      > > > > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Hi Alex,
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > As you have a Delta 44 sound card, that provides all of the
                      > > > > inputs and
                      > > > > > > > > outputs required for transmitting properly using PowerSDR.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > The standard configuration used by all of the current SDR
                      > > > > programs is:
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Line Input 1/2 = RX I/Q from Ensemble RXTX
                      > > > > > > > > Line Input 3/4 = Mic input
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Line Output 1/2 = speaker output
                      > > > > > > > > Line Output 3/4 = TX I/Q output to Ensemble RXTX
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Only thing you might need to do is make the Delta 44 sound
                      > > card the
                      > > > > > > > Windows
                      > > > > > > > > 'default' sound card so that it is used by all
                      > > applications for
                      > > > > driving
                      > > > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > > speakers etc.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > Do not be tempted to try and mix using two sound cards,
                      > > > > difficult to
                      > > > > > > > achieve
                      > > > > > > > > good results and a number of features are not supported.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > The Delta 44 is one of the original sound cards FlexRadio
                      > > > > > > recommended and
                      > > > > > > > > supported for their SDR-1000 transceiver and ideally
                      > > suited for the
                      > > > > > > > SoftRock
                      > > > > > > > > / Ensemble RXTX use.
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
                      > > > > > > > > "h" <malard@> wrote:
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, I figured it out, I got the file into the psdr
                      > > folder
                      > > > > and no
                      > > > > > > > more
                      > > > > > > > > error. Thanks so much for the info. Would you know how the
                      > > line
                      > > > > output
                      > > > > > > > goes
                      > > > > > > > > from the delta 44 for transmit? Right now there connected
                      > > to the
                      > > > > > > speakers
                      > > > > > > > > for receive. I tried using the internal soundcard sb x-fi for
                      > > > > > > transmit but
                      > > > > > > > > still no transmit. I'm not sure how to configure the sound
                      > > cards
                      > > > > > > properly
                      > > > > > > > to
                      > > > > > > > > get the rxtx to transmit. Receive works fine. Again I'm
                      > > running
                      > > > > > > win7 64bit
                      > > > > > > > > with m-audio delta44 and sound blaster x-fi 24bit internal,
                      > > > > also have a
                      > > > > > > > usb
                      > > > > > > > > sb 24 live sound card. Can anyone help? Thanks Alex W6ACT
                      > > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > > , "h" <malard@> wrote:
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Jim,
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > How and where do I get it? I'm not a computer expert. If
                      > > > > you could
                      > > > > > > > tell
                      > > > > > > > > me what to do, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Alex
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "gm3jsx"
                      > > <gm3jsx@> wrote:
                      > > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Alex.
                      > > > > > > > > > > > you need a copy off the Dll'deltapanel,dll in the
                      > > flex radio
                      > > > > > > system
                      > > > > > > > > file..
                      > > > > > > > > > > > good luck jim
                      > > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                      > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "h" <malard@> wrote:
                      > > > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
                      > > > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm running win7 64bit system. I have A ensemble rxtx
                      > > > > and I'm
                      > > > > > > > trying
                      > > > > > > > > to get the supported sound card M-audio delta 44 to work.
                      > > Under the
                      > > > > > > audio
                      > > > > > > > > tab when I select the delta 44 supported option, I receive
                      > > an error
                      > > > > > > that
                      > > > > > > > > says "Unable to load" DLL'deltapnl.dll'. The specified
                      > > module could
                      > > > > > > not be
                      > > > > > > > > found. I can ignore the error and continue, but if I do, the
                      > > > > computer
                      > > > > > > > > crashes and then psdr will not start again until I pull
                      > > the pci
                      > > > > > > card out
                      > > > > > > > and
                      > > > > > > > > then reinstall it. Just to let you know the delta 44 works
                      > > fine on
                      > > > > > > receive
                      > > > > > > > > with unsupported option and running asio drivers either
                      > > asio4all or
                      > > > > > > > M-audio
                      > > > > > > > > delta 44 drivers. Would anybody know why I'm getting this
                      > > error on
                      > > > > > > power
                      > > > > > > > sdr
                      > > > > > > > > boot up with this supported card?
                      > > > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex
                      > > > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • ericwd9
                      The items are only grayed out when a supported card is selected. If you select unsupported card you will be able to select inputs and outputs from any
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                        The items are only grayed out when a supported card is selected.
                        If you select "unsupported card" you will be able to select
                        inputs and outputs from any installed cards. However some
                        features of PSDR are not available for unsupported cards.
                        Those who are serious in the use of PSDR-IQ would do well
                        to use a supported card. The most versatile and best supported of which is the USB2SDR from Christos. For my money the next best
                        would be the Edirol FA-66.

                        Regards 73 Eric VK5ZAG

                        --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com, John Marvin <jm-softrock@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Eric,
                        >
                        > Thanks, I got it to work via another method using the ASIO driver. But
                        > I'm not sure the method you explain below would work with PowerSDR-IQ.
                        > As far as I can tell, the Receive and Transmit menu items are always
                        > greyed out. I can't seem to find a sequence that allows them to work. I
                        > believe if you could get them enabled it might be possible to enable two
                        > soundcards, because that would allow you to specify an alternate stereo
                        > pair for mike input and speaker output. Do you know how to enable the
                        > transmit/receive menu items?
                        >
                        > I am running PowerSDR-IQ V1.19.3.15. Perhaps you are talking about a
                        > different version?
                        >
                        > Thanks,
                        >
                        > John
                        >
                        >
                        > On 3/15/2012 4:51 PM, ericwd9 wrote:
                        > >
                        > > PowerSDR/Setup/Primary? set input for RX IQ channel (stereo)
                        > > Output for TX IQ Ch. (stereo) Receive for headphone or spkr.
                        > > Transmit for Mike input mono or stereo. VAC is set up only to
                        > > transfer audio in and out from one program to another on the
                        > > same computer eg for digital modes.
                        > > It is not clear if your sound card can present itself as
                        > > stereo pairs. If not I do not think it suitable.
                        > > 73 Regards Eric VK5ZAG
                        > >
                        > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, John Marvin <jm-softrock@>
                        > > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Bob,
                        > > >
                        > > > As I already mentioned, I have an Echo Audio Firewire based AudioFire8.
                        > > > It has 8 mono inputs and 8 mono outputs (that can be grouped into
                        > > stereo
                        > > > pairs that look like separate devices). It also has a bunch of other
                        > > > nice features like mike preamps on two of the channels, another 2
                        > > in/out
                        > > > spdif, high quality headphone preamp, etc. So I don't want to settle
                        > > for
                        > > > a Delta 44. I believe I've got something better (that I already have
                        > > for
                        > > > semi-professional recording work) and I want to make it work. In one
                        > > > sense it can look like two different cards, but all the channels are
                        > > > synchronized. I suspect the Delta 44 also presents itself to windows as
                        > > > multiple devices.
                        > > >
                        > > > Where does PowerSDR get its mike input? I don't see a way of selecting
                        > > > it. Does it the default Windows input device? Why do we need to fudge
                        > > > things using the VAC panel? Is there no way to get PowerSDR to directly
                        > > > access a sound card for mic input if it is not one of the supported
                        > > cards?
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks,
                        > > >
                        > > > John
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > On 3/15/2012 3:02 PM, g8voip wrote:
                        > > > > Hi John,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > There is nothing magical about the Delta 44 card being 'supported'
                        > > in PSDR.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > All the 'supported' feature does is preset a number of parameters, but
                        > > > > if you select the same card as 'unsupported' you can set all of
                        > > these up
                        > > > > manually and get the same results.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > In 6 years of playing with SDR I have never heard of anyone
                        > > suceeding in
                        > > > > getting a single stereo or two card solution FULLY functioning for SSB
                        > > > > operation. You can fudge things using the VAC panel to route mic audio
                        > > > > etc, but there are always some features that will not work, RX audio
                        > > > > mute on TX, VOX etc.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Ultimately you need to use the correct 'tools' for the job.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > If you want to use all of the features of PSDR correctly then if you
                        > > > > have a free internal PCI card slot - Delta 44, USB solution USB2SDR or
                        > > > > Fireware Edirol FA-66 or Presonus Firebox.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, John Marvin <jm-softrock@>
                        > > wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Isn't it more of an issue with an "unsupported" soundcard rather
                        > > than
                        > > > > > two soundcards? I have a multi-channel sound card that is better
                        > > than
                        > > > > > the Delta 44 (Echo Audio AudioFire 8), but as far as I can see
                        > > so far,
                        > > > > > there is no way of making it work for SSB.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > My assumption (which may be wrong) is that PowerSDR uses the default
                        > > > > > audio (as specified frmo the Windows audio recording/playback
                        > > devices
                        > > > > > control) for input (i.e. mic input) and output (i.e.
                        > > speaker/headphone
                        > > > > > output). The input/output specified on the audio tab is for the
                        > > I/Q I/O
                        > > > > > to the Softrock SDR.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > But I can't seem to make that work. So is it really an issue
                        > > with two
                        > > > > > cards, or is it that there is something special about the included
                        > > > > > support for the Delta 44 inside of PowerSDR?
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Rather than just saying that two cards won't work, it would be
                        > > nice to
                        > > > > > get a definitive reason why it won't work (I'm not addressing this
                        > > > > > specifically to Bob, who may or may not know the reason), and how
                        > > > > > PowerSDR chooses its mic input (if it supports it at all) when you
                        > > > > > choose to use an "unsupported" card.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I notice there are unusable receive/transmit menu items on the
                        > > PowerSDR
                        > > > > > audio tab. Are those only active if you specify a supported card
                        > > like
                        > > > > > the Delta 44? What do those choices allow when active?
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Thanks,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > John
                        > > > > > AC0ZG
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > On 3/15/2012 6:09 AM, g8voip wrote:
                        > > > > > > Hi Joe,
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Just taking a quick look around the forums whilst I am eating
                        > > my lunch
                        > > > > > > at work.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Well from a lot of personal experience and many months of
                        > > > > frustration, I
                        > > > > > > would say do not bother trying to run SSB with a 2 card
                        > > solution. I
                        > > > > > > resisted for as long as I could before I finally gave in and
                        > > purchaed a
                        > > > > > > Delta 44 a four years ago.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > The only way it is possible with two sound cards is to make
                        > > use of the
                        > > > > > > PSDR VAC panel and used that to map to another sound card for
                        > > a mic
                        > > > > > > input. Its a messy way of doing it, and you will run into
                        > > problems,
                        > > > > from
                        > > > > > > memory the receive audio is not automatically muted when you go to
                        > > > > > > transmit, VOX will not work. Cannot remember all ofthe problems.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Some people seem to be happy putting up with these
                        > > restrictions and not
                        > > > > > > really the intended purpose of the VAC function.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Have a go with two sound cards, it will make you really
                        > > appreciate the
                        > > > > > > Delta 44 when you get that!
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joseph LaFerla"
                        > > <joe@> wrote:
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Hi Bob
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > What I was hoping was for how to connect the mic input when
                        > > I am not
                        > > > > > > using
                        > > > > > > > the delta 44. I haven't purchased it yet and was hoping to get
                        > > > > > > powersdr to
                        > > > > > > > work first with two separate sound cards. I know people have
                        > > said
                        > > > > it is a
                        > > > > > > > challenge but so far I have been able to get powersdr to
                        > > work for my
                        > > > > > > digital
                        > > > > > > > modes (which don't using a mic) but I cannot figure out how
                        > > to do
                        > > > > it for
                        > > > > > > > voice. I will likely purchase a delta 44 anyway.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Using hdsdr I was able to get this working because hdsdr
                        > > provides a
                        > > > > > > > soundcard selection for microphone input which powersdr does
                        > > not. But
                        > > > > > > hdsdr
                        > > > > > > > has its other problems and I like powersdr more.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > 73
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Joe
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > VA3JLF
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                        > > > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
                        > > > > > > > Sent: March-15-12 3:05 AM
                        > > > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Hi Joe,
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > If you have the Delta 44 card selected as a 'supported' sound
                        > > > > card all of
                        > > > > > > > the inputs and outpts are automatically allocated as per the
                        > > > > > > configuration I
                        > > > > > > > gave in my last posting, no other set up needed.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > You can adjust the mic gain etc from the main console screen.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
                        > > > > > > > "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@> wrote:
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Hi
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > I am trying to get powersdr to work on my system and I know
                        > > > > about the
                        > > > > > > > delta
                        > > > > > > > > 44 and will likely get to use it. However, what I was
                        > > trying to
                        > > > > > > understand
                        > > > > > > > > is where do you set the mic input in the program setup. Under
                        > > > > the audio
                        > > > > > > > > setup, one can set the input and output sound cards only.
                        > > Where
                        > > > > > > does one
                        > > > > > > > > set the mic input?
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > 73
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Joe
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > VA3JLF
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > From: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > [mailto:powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ]
                        > > > > > > > On
                        > > > > > > > > Behalf Of g8voip
                        > > > > > > > > Sent: March-13-12 5:56 PM
                        > > > > > > > > To: powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > > Subject: [powersdr-iq] Re: Ensemble rxtx on M-Audio delta 44
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Hi Alex,
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > As you have a Delta 44 sound card, that provides all of the
                        > > > > inputs and
                        > > > > > > > > outputs required for transmitting properly using PowerSDR.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > The standard configuration used by all of the current SDR
                        > > > > programs is:
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Line Input 1/2 = RX I/Q from Ensemble RXTX
                        > > > > > > > > Line Input 3/4 = Mic input
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Line Output 1/2 = speaker output
                        > > > > > > > > Line Output 3/4 = TX I/Q output to Ensemble RXTX
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Only thing you might need to do is make the Delta 44 sound
                        > > card the
                        > > > > > > > Windows
                        > > > > > > > > 'default' sound card so that it is used by all
                        > > applications for
                        > > > > driving
                        > > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > speakers etc.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Do not be tempted to try and mix using two sound cards,
                        > > > > difficult to
                        > > > > > > > achieve
                        > > > > > > > > good results and a number of features are not supported.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > The Delta 44 is one of the original sound cards FlexRadio
                        > > > > > > recommended and
                        > > > > > > > > supported for their SDR-1000 transceiver and ideally
                        > > suited for the
                        > > > > > > > SoftRock
                        > > > > > > > > / Ensemble RXTX use.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > 73, Bob G8VOI
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> ,
                        > > > > > > > > "h" <malard@> wrote:
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim, I figured it out, I got the file into the psdr
                        > > folder
                        > > > > and no
                        > > > > > > > more
                        > > > > > > > > error. Thanks so much for the info. Would you know how the
                        > > line
                        > > > > output
                        > > > > > > > goes
                        > > > > > > > > from the delta 44 for transmit? Right now there connected
                        > > to the
                        > > > > > > speakers
                        > > > > > > > > for receive. I tried using the internal soundcard sb x-fi for
                        > > > > > > transmit but
                        > > > > > > > > still no transmit. I'm not sure how to configure the sound
                        > > cards
                        > > > > > > properly
                        > > > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > > get the rxtx to transmit. Receive works fine. Again I'm
                        > > running
                        > > > > > > win7 64bit
                        > > > > > > > > with m-audio delta44 and sound blaster x-fi 24bit internal,
                        > > > > also have a
                        > > > > > > > usb
                        > > > > > > > > sb 24 live sound card. Can anyone help? Thanks Alex W6ACT
                        > > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > > , "h" <malard@> wrote:
                        > > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Jim,
                        > > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > How and where do I get it? I'm not a computer expert. If
                        > > > > you could
                        > > > > > > > tell
                        > > > > > > > > me what to do, it would be much appreciated. Thanks Alex
                        > > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "gm3jsx"
                        > > <gm3jsx@> wrote:
                        > > > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Alex.
                        > > > > > > > > > > > you need a copy off the Dll'deltapanel,dll in the
                        > > flex radio
                        > > > > > > system
                        > > > > > > > > file..
                        > > > > > > > > > > > good luck jim
                        > > > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > > --- In powersdr-iq@yahoogroups.com
                        > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > > > > > <mailto:powersdr-iq%40yahoogroups.com> , "h" <malard@> wrote:
                        > > > > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone,
                        > > > > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm running win7 64bit system. I have A ensemble rxtx
                        > > > > and I'm
                        > > > > > > > trying
                        > > > > > > > > to get the supported sound card M-audio delta 44 to work.
                        > > Under the
                        > > > > > > audio
                        > > > > > > > > tab when I select the delta 44 supported option, I receive
                        > > an error
                        > > > > > > that
                        > > > > > > > > says "Unable to load" DLL'deltapnl.dll'. The specified
                        > > module could
                        > > > > > > not be
                        > > > > > > > > found. I can ignore the error and continue, but if I do, the
                        > > > > computer
                        > > > > > > > > crashes and then psdr will not start again until I pull
                        > > the pci
                        > > > > > > card out
                        > > > > > > > and
                        > > > > > > > > then reinstall it. Just to let you know the delta 44 works
                        > > fine on
                        > > > > > > receive
                        > > > > > > > > with unsupported option and running asio drivers either
                        > > asio4all or
                        > > > > > > > M-audio
                        > > > > > > > > delta 44 drivers. Would anybody know why I'm getting this
                        > > error on
                        > > > > > > power
                        > > > > > > > sdr
                        > > > > > > > > boot up with this supported card?
                        > > > > > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Alex
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