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  • Richard Mundy
    Hi Frank, Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud! Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is
    Message 1 of 15 , Apr 13, 2009
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      Hi Frank,
      Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!

      Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
      Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.

      Dick


      --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi Dick.
      >
      > You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
      >
      > There is a tide in the affairs of men.
      > Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
      > Omitted, all the voyage of their life
      > Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
      >
      > old Frank ;>(
      >
      >
      > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi all,
      > > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
      > > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
      > > Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
      > > DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
      > > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
      > > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
      > > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
      > >
      > > Dick
      > >
      > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
      > > > This ties in with CAD and the various CAD software that is available.
      > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg All of the parts in the
      > > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
      > > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
      > > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
      > > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
      > > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
      > > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
      > > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
      > > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
      > > > to Part"! I will post the Youtude in under Links. Pete Are you
      > > > sure you want to send this message?
      > > >
      > >
      >
    • Frank McNeill
      Hi Richard, Your remark about squelching around in the mud has given me a serious case of nostalgia, which is extremely dangerous for old people like me. It
      Message 2 of 15 , Apr 13, 2009
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        Hi Richard,

        Your remark about squelching around in the mud has given me a serious
        case of nostalgia, which is extremely dangerous for old people like
        me. It brought to mind an image of the actor in the marvelous TV
        series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, who lumbered around in
        enormously heavy rubber boots, mumbling to himself. The quote was from
        your guy, Wm. Shakespeare, born a bit to early to have enjoyed
        watching the "circus" as much as I did. Another twinge of nostalgia,
        me in a HG Wells time machine going back to pick up Wm., then forward
        a bit to park the contraption and watch the Flying Circus series over
        and over again.

        old Frank

        On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Richard Mundy <coracles18@...> wrote:
        > Hi Frank,
        > Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!
        >
        > Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
        > Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.
        >
        > Dick
        >
        >
        > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@...> wrote:
        >>
        >> Hi Dick.
        >>
        >> You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
        >>
        >> There is a tide in the affairs of men.
        >> Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
        >> Omitted, all the voyage of their life
        >> Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
        >>
        >> old Frank ;>(
        >>
        >>
        >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
        >> >
        >> > Hi all,
        >> > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
        >> > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
        >> >  Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
        >> >  DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
        >> > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
        >> > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
        >> > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
        >> >
        >> > Dick
        >> >
        >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
        >> > >
        >> > >  I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
        >> > > This ties in with CAD  and the various CAD software that is available.
        >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg   All of the parts in the
        >> > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
        >> > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
        >> > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
        >> > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
        >> > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
        >> > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
        >> > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
        >> > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
        >> > > to Part"!  I will post the Youtude in under Links.  Pete      Are you
        >> > > sure you want to send this message?
        >> > >
        >> >
        >>
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >
      • Richard Mundy
        Hi Frank, I found Lego digital designer at http://ldd.lego.com/default.aspx This is a great program in that it saves you having to buy any bricks, does not
        Message 3 of 15 , Apr 13, 2009
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          Hi Frank,

          I found Lego digital designer at http://ldd.lego.com/default.aspx

          This is a great program in that it saves you having to buy any bricks,
          does not upset the wife with bricks all over the place, saves tidying up, but best of all lets me play with Lego anywhere without the condesending aaah bless him looks, from 'adults'.

          Dick


          --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hi Frank,
          > Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!
          >
          > Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
          > Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.
          >
          > Dick
          >
          >
          > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Hi Dick.
          > >
          > > You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
          > >
          > > There is a tide in the affairs of men.
          > > Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
          > > Omitted, all the voyage of their life
          > > Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
          > >
          > > old Frank ;>(
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Hi all,
          > > > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
          > > > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
          > > > Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
          > > > DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
          > > > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
          > > > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
          > > > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
          > > >
          > > > Dick
          > > >
          > > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
          > > > >
          > > > > I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
          > > > > This ties in with CAD and the various CAD software that is available.
          > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg All of the parts in the
          > > > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
          > > > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
          > > > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
          > > > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
          > > > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
          > > > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
          > > > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
          > > > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
          > > > > to Part"! I will post the Youtude in under Links. Pete Are you
          > > > > sure you want to send this message?
          > > > >
          > > >
          > >
          >
        • Richard Mundy
          Hi Frank, I was being serious about the mud! I live right on the Colne Estuary, with extensive areas of Essex marshland. Apart from not being able to get in my
          Message 4 of 15 , Apr 13, 2009
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            Hi Frank,
            I was being serious about the mud! I live right on the Colne Estuary, with extensive areas of Essex marshland. Apart from not being able to get in my dingy without a trek throught the mud, except at high tide, an awful lot of my other pastimes seem to involve it.

            Monty Python is very close to my heart, there has been nothing like it either before or since. Curiously it never seems to get repeated on TV in the UK. I recon the Americans have bought up the rights!

            Why is nostalgia dangerous? In a lot of ways it is preferable to living in the present, but perhaps it is necessary to keep an eye on the here and now.

            Dick



            --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, Frank McNeill <frankmcneilll@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hi Richard,
            >
            > Your remark about squelching around in the mud has given me a serious
            > case of nostalgia, which is extremely dangerous for old people like
            > me. It brought to mind an image of the actor in the marvelous TV
            > series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, who lumbered around in
            > enormously heavy rubber boots, mumbling to himself. The quote was from
            > your guy, Wm. Shakespeare, born a bit to early to have enjoyed
            > watching the "circus" as much as I did. Another twinge of nostalgia,
            > me in a HG Wells time machine going back to pick up Wm., then forward
            > a bit to park the contraption and watch the Flying Circus series over
            > and over again.
            >
            > old Frank
            >
            > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Richard Mundy <coracles18@...> wrote:
            > > Hi Frank,
            > > Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!
            > >
            > > Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
            > > Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.
            > >
            > > Dick
            > >
            > >
            > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
            > >>
            > >> Hi Dick.
            > >>
            > >> You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
            > >>
            > >> There is a tide in the affairs of men.
            > >> Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
            > >> Omitted, all the voyage of their life
            > >> Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
            > >>
            > >> old Frank ;>(
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
            > >> >
            > >> > Hi all,
            > >> > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
            > >> > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
            > >> >  Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
            > >> >  DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
            > >> > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
            > >> > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
            > >> > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
            > >> >
            > >> > Dick
            > >> >
            > >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
            > >> > >
            > >> > >  I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
            > >> > > This ties in with CAD  and the various CAD software that is available.
            > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg   All of the parts in the
            > >> > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
            > >> > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
            > >> > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
            > >> > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
            > >> > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
            > >> > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
            > >> > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
            > >> > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
            > >> > > to Part"!  I will post the Youtude in under Links.  Pete      Are you
            > >> > > sure you want to send this message?
            > >> > >
            > >> >
            > >>
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > ------------------------------------
            > >
            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            >
          • Pete B.
            Hi Dick & Frank, RE: CAD The Keycreator software that I use, as do most, can work in 2D, 3D wireframe, 3D surfaces and 3D Solids. Keycreator can work in all
            Message 5 of 15 , Apr 13, 2009
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              Hi Dick & Frank,

              RE: CAD

              The Keycreator software that I use, as do most, can work in 2D, 3D wireframe, 3D surfaces and 3D Solids. Keycreator can work in all options in the same file. The right tool for the job! I frequently conceptualize in 2D and then migrate to 3D Solids as the design develops. There are many specialized CAD packages. I good designer can usually use a STD CAD package to design just about whatever. See this link: http://www.kubotekusa.com/gallery.html This is the software that I use at work and on my Steam engine project. Kubotek is considering featuring the Fulton engine project in their Newsletter. The Sr. VP called me last Friday to discuss  Keycreator and the project.

              You said: "Why is nostalgia dangerous? In a lot of ways it is preferable to living in the present, but perhaps it is necessary to keep an eye on the here and now".

              I agree! I am involved with my Elementary school and High School group. Reminiscing/nostalgia has become a big part of our discussions at our many gatherings. It's what I call "slow down and smell the roses/coffee"! I'm going to an elementary school party (class of 1957) in the Boston area next week. Lots of fun!!

              Pete


              --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hi Frank,
              > I was being serious about the mud! I live right on the Colne Estuary, with extensive areas of Essex marshland. Apart from not being able to get in my dingy without a trek throught the mud, except at high tide, an awful lot of my other pastimes seem to involve it.
              >
              > Monty Python is very close to my heart, there has been nothing like it either before or since. Curiously it never seems to get repeated on TV in the UK. I recon the Americans have bought up the rights!
              >
              > Why is nostalgia dangerous? In a lot of ways it is preferable to living in the present, but perhaps it is necessary to keep an eye on the here and now.
              >
              > Dick
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, Frank McNeill frankmcneilll@ wrote:
              > >
              > > Hi Richard,
              > >
              > > Your remark about squelching around in the mud has given me a serious
              > > case of nostalgia, which is extremely dangerous for old people like
              > > me. It brought to mind an image of the actor in the marvelous TV
              > > series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, who lumbered around in
              > > enormously heavy rubber boots, mumbling to himself. The quote was from
              > > your guy, Wm. Shakespeare, born a bit to early to have enjoyed
              > > watching the "circus" as much as I did. Another twinge of nostalgia,
              > > me in a HG Wells time machine going back to pick up Wm., then forward
              > > a bit to park the contraption and watch the Flying Circus series over
              > > and over again.
              > >
              > > old Frank
              > >
              > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Richard Mundy coracles18@ wrote:
              > > > Hi Frank,
              > > > Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!
              > > >
              > > > Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
              > > > Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.
              > > >
              > > > Dick
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
              > > >>
              > > >> Hi Dick.
              > > >>
              > > >> You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
              > > >>
              > > >> There is a tide in the affairs of men.
              > > >> Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
              > > >> Omitted, all the voyage of their life
              > > >> Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
              > > >>
              > > >> old Frank ;>(
              > > >>
              > > >>
              > > >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
              > > >> >
              > > >> > Hi all,
              > > >> > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
              > > >> > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
              > > >> >  Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
              > > >> >  DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
              > > >> > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
              > > >> > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
              > > >> > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
              > > >> >
              > > >> > Dick
              > > >> >
              > > >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
              > > >> > >
              > > >> > >  I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
              > > >> > > This ties in with CAD  and the various CAD software that is available.
              > > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg   All of the parts in the
              > > >> > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
              > > >> > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
              > > >> > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
              > > >> > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
              > > >> > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
              > > >> > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
              > > >> > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
              > > >> > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
              > > >> > > to Part"!  I will post the Youtude in under Links.  Pete      Are you
              > > >> > > sure you want to send this message?
              > > >> > >
              > > >> >
              > > >>
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ------------------------------------
              > > >
              > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > >
              >

            • darylcanada73
              All right stop right there. You re just being silly with all this talk of mud. And now for something completely different. Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I
              Message 6 of 15 , Apr 14, 2009
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                All right stop right there. You're just being silly with all this talk of mud.

                And now for something completely different.

                Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean. Bet you do.

                Do you ever take photographs?


                --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, Frank McNeill <frankmcneilll@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi Richard,
                >
                > Your remark about squelching around in the mud has given me a serious
                > case of nostalgia, which is extremely dangerous for old people like
                > me. It brought to mind an image of the actor in the marvelous TV
                > series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, who lumbered around in
                > enormously heavy rubber boots, mumbling to himself. The quote was from
                > your guy, Wm. Shakespeare, born a bit to early to have enjoyed
                > watching the "circus" as much as I did. Another twinge of nostalgia,
                > me in a HG Wells time machine going back to pick up Wm., then forward
                > a bit to park the contraption and watch the Flying Circus series over
                > and over again.
                >
                > old Frank
                >
                > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Richard Mundy <coracles18@...> wrote:
                > > Hi Frank,
                > > Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!
                > >
                > > Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
                > > Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.
                > >
                > > Dick
                > >
                > >
                > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                > >>
                > >> Hi Dick.
                > >>
                > >> You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
                > >>
                > >> There is a tide in the affairs of men.
                > >> Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
                > >> Omitted, all the voyage of their life
                > >> Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
                > >>
                > >> old Frank ;>(
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
                > >> >
                > >> > Hi all,
                > >> > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
                > >> > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
                > >> >  Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
                > >> >  DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
                > >> > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
                > >> > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
                > >> > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
                > >> >
                > >> > Dick
                > >> >
                > >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
                > >> > >
                > >> > >  I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
                > >> > > This ties in with CAD  and the various CAD software that is available.
                > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg   All of the parts in the
                > >> > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
                > >> > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
                > >> > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
                > >> > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
                > >> > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
                > >> > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
                > >> > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
                > >> > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
                > >> > > to Part"!  I will post the Youtude in under Links.  Pete      Are you
                > >> > > sure you want to send this message?
                > >> > >
                > >> >
                > >>
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------
                > >
                > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
              • Frank McNeill
                Hi Daryl, My impression was that mud squelching is not something Richard does professionally, or as a hobby, but because the mud is located somewhere between
                Message 7 of 15 , Apr 14, 2009
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                  Hi Daryl,

                  My impression was that mud squelching is not something Richard does professionally, or as a hobby, but because the mud is located somewhere between his house and the water that floats his boat. It does indicate a poor choice of a place to float his boat because he could have house somewhere next to a swimming pool similar to one shown in the latest home page picture. He might need a smaller boat which could be obtained by assembling it from Lego bricks the way contestants in The Great LEGO Boat Race of June 8, 2008 did.
                  Anyone who is interested might go to http://tinyurl.com/cayspp for information- like is the race just for children, age limits, and do they have rules that exclude people in their 2nd or 3rd childhoods?

                  Old Frank


                  --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "darylcanada73" <darylcanada73@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > All right stop right there. You're just being silly with all this talk of mud.
                  >
                  > And now for something completely different.
                  >
                  > Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean. Bet you do.
                  >
                  > Do you ever take photographs?
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, Frank McNeill <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Hi Richard,
                  > >
                  > > Your remark about squelching around in the mud has given me a serious
                  > > case of nostalgia, which is extremely dangerous for old people like
                  > > me. It brought to mind an image of the actor in the marvelous TV
                  > > series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, who lumbered around in
                  > > enormously heavy rubber boots, mumbling to himself. The quote was from
                  > > your guy, Wm. Shakespeare, born a bit to early to have enjoyed
                  > > watching the "circus" as much as I did. Another twinge of nostalgia,
                  > > me in a HG Wells time machine going back to pick up Wm., then forward
                  > > a bit to park the contraption and watch the Flying Circus series over
                  > > and over again.
                  > >
                  > > old Frank
                  > >
                  > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Richard Mundy <coracles18@> wrote:
                  > > > Hi Frank,
                  > > > Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!
                  > > >
                  > > > Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
                  > > > Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.
                  > > >
                  > > > Dick
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Hi Dick.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> There is a tide in the affairs of men.
                  > > >> Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
                  > > >> Omitted, all the voyage of their life
                  > > >> Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> old Frank ;>(
                  > > >>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
                  > > >> >
                  > > >> > Hi all,
                  > > >> > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
                  > > >> > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
                  > > >> >  Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
                  > > >> >  DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
                  > > >> > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
                  > > >> > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
                  > > >> > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
                  > > >> >
                  > > >> > Dick
                  > > >> >
                  > > >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
                  > > >> > >
                  > > >> > >  I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
                  > > >> > > This ties in with CAD  and the various CAD software that is available.
                  > > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg   All of the parts in the
                  > > >> > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
                  > > >> > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
                  > > >> > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
                  > > >> > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
                  > > >> > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
                  > > >> > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
                  > > >> > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
                  > > >> > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
                  > > >> > > to Part"!  I will post the Youtude in under Links.  Pete      Are you
                  > > >> > > sure you want to send this message?
                  > > >> > >
                  > > >> >
                  > > >>
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ------------------------------------
                  > > >
                  > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  >
                • darylcanada73
                  Just on the off chance somebody missed it those were quotes from, Monty Python s Flying Circus to which I add, He s not dead, he s just sleeping. That s
                  Message 8 of 15 , Apr 15, 2009
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                    Just on the off chance somebody missed it those were quotes from,
                    "Monty Python's Flying Circus" to which I add, "He's not dead, he's just sleeping." That's about the parrot, not you Frank.


                    --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hi Daryl,
                    >
                    > My impression was that mud squelching is not something Richard does professionally, or as a hobby, but because the mud is located somewhere between his house and the water that floats his boat. It does indicate a poor choice of a place to float his boat because he could have house somewhere next to a swimming pool similar to one shown in the latest home page picture. He might need a smaller boat which could be obtained by assembling it from Lego bricks the way contestants in The Great LEGO Boat Race of June 8, 2008 did.
                    > Anyone who is interested might go to http://tinyurl.com/cayspp for information- like is the race just for children, age limits, and do they have rules that exclude people in their 2nd or 3rd childhoods?
                    >
                    > Old Frank
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "darylcanada73" <darylcanada73@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > All right stop right there. You're just being silly with all this talk of mud.
                    > >
                    > > And now for something completely different.
                    > >
                    > > Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean. Bet you do.
                    > >
                    > > Do you ever take photographs?
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, Frank McNeill <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Hi Richard,
                    > > >
                    > > > Your remark about squelching around in the mud has given me a serious
                    > > > case of nostalgia, which is extremely dangerous for old people like
                    > > > me. It brought to mind an image of the actor in the marvelous TV
                    > > > series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, who lumbered around in
                    > > > enormously heavy rubber boots, mumbling to himself. The quote was from
                    > > > your guy, Wm. Shakespeare, born a bit to early to have enjoyed
                    > > > watching the "circus" as much as I did. Another twinge of nostalgia,
                    > > > me in a HG Wells time machine going back to pick up Wm., then forward
                    > > > a bit to park the contraption and watch the Flying Circus series over
                    > > > and over again.
                    > > >
                    > > > old Frank
                    > > >
                    > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Richard Mundy <coracles18@> wrote:
                    > > > > Hi Frank,
                    > > > > Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
                    > > > > Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Dick
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Hi Dick.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> There is a tide in the affairs of men.
                    > > > >> Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
                    > > > >> Omitted, all the voyage of their life
                    > > > >> Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> old Frank ;>(
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
                    > > > >> >
                    > > > >> > Hi all,
                    > > > >> > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
                    > > > >> > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
                    > > > >> >  Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
                    > > > >> >  DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
                    > > > >> > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
                    > > > >> > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
                    > > > >> > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
                    > > > >> >
                    > > > >> > Dick
                    > > > >> >
                    > > > >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
                    > > > >> > >
                    > > > >> > >  I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
                    > > > >> > > This ties in with CAD  and the various CAD software that is available.
                    > > > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg   All of the parts in the
                    > > > >> > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
                    > > > >> > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
                    > > > >> > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
                    > > > >> > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
                    > > > >> > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
                    > > > >> > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
                    > > > >> > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
                    > > > >> > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
                    > > > >> > > to Part"!  I will post the Youtude in under Links.  Pete      Are you
                    > > > >> > > sure you want to send this message?
                    > > > >> > >
                    > > > >> >
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ------------------------------------
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >
                  • Frank McNeill
                    It s almost about me Daryl, I was awakened by a feeling that I was being buried alive. False alarm- it was my cat Cleo, probably wondering if I was dead enough
                    Message 9 of 15 , Apr 15, 2009
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                      It's almost about me Daryl, I was awakened by a feeling that I was
                      being buried alive.
                      False alarm- it was my cat Cleo, probably wondering if I was dead
                      enough to eat.

                      old half dead uneaten Frank

                      On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:28 AM, darylcanada73 <darylcanada73@...> wrote:
                      > Just on the off chance somebody missed it those were quotes from,
                      > "Monty Python's Flying Circus" to which I add, "He's not dead, he's just sleeping." That's about the parrot, not you Frank.
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >> Hi Daryl,
                      >>
                      >> My impression was that mud squelching is not something Richard does professionally, or as a hobby, but because the mud is located somewhere between his house and the water that floats his boat. It does indicate a poor choice of a place to float his boat because he could have house somewhere next to a swimming pool similar to one shown in the latest home page picture. He might need a smaller boat which could be obtained by assembling it from Lego bricks the way contestants in The Great LEGO Boat Race of June 8, 2008 did.
                      >> Anyone who is interested might go to http://tinyurl.com/cayspp for information- like is the race just for children, age limits, and do they have rules that exclude people in their 2nd or 3rd childhoods?
                      >>
                      >> Old Frank
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "darylcanada73" <darylcanada73@> wrote:
                      >> >
                      >> > All right stop right there. You're just being silly with all this talk of mud.
                      >> >
                      >> > And now for something completely different.
                      >> >
                      >> > Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean. Bet you do.
                      >> >
                      >> > Do you ever take photographs?
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, Frank McNeill <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Hi Richard,
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Your remark about squelching around in the mud has given me a serious
                      >> > > case of nostalgia, which is extremely dangerous for old people like
                      >> > > me. It brought to mind an image of the actor in the marvelous TV
                      >> > > series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, who lumbered around in
                      >> > > enormously heavy rubber boots, mumbling to himself. The quote was from
                      >> > > your guy, Wm. Shakespeare, born a bit to early to have enjoyed
                      >> > > watching the "circus" as much as I did. Another twinge of nostalgia,
                      >> > > me in a HG Wells time machine going back to pick up Wm., then forward
                      >> > > a bit to park the contraption and watch the Flying Circus series over
                      >> > > and over again.
                      >> > >
                      >> > > old Frank
                      >> > >
                      >> > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Richard Mundy <coracles18@> wrote:
                      >> > > > Hi Frank,
                      >> > > > Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
                      >> > > > Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > Dick
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Hi Dick.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> There is a tide in the affairs of men.
                      >> > > >> Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
                      >> > > >> Omitted, all the voyage of their life
                      >> > > >> Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> old Frank ;>(
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
                      >> > > >> >
                      >> > > >> > Hi all,
                      >> > > >> > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
                      >> > > >> > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
                      >> > > >> >  Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
                      >> > > >> >  DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
                      >> > > >> > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
                      >> > > >> > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
                      >> > > >> > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
                      >> > > >> >
                      >> > > >> > Dick
                      >> > > >> >
                      >> > > >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
                      >> > > >> > >
                      >> > > >> > >  I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
                      >> > > >> > > This ties in with CAD  and the various CAD software that is available.
                      >> > > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg   All of the parts in the
                      >> > > >> > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
                      >> > > >> > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
                      >> > > >> > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
                      >> > > >> > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
                      >> > > >> > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
                      >> > > >> > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
                      >> > > >> > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
                      >> > > >> > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
                      >> > > >> > > to Part"!  I will post the Youtude in under Links.  Pete      Are you
                      >> > > >> > > sure you want to send this message?
                      >> > > >> > >
                      >> > > >> >
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > ------------------------------------
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > >
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ------------------------------------
                      >
                      > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                    • Richard Mundy
                      Hi Daryl Say no more, Yes I do take photos, but only snapshots, I don t get artistic. I have played around with 3D photo,s though. Dick
                      Message 10 of 15 , Apr 15, 2009
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                        Hi Daryl

                        Say no more,

                        Yes I do take photos, but only snapshots, I don't get artistic.
                        I have played around with 3D photo,s though.

                        Dick

                        --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "darylcanada73" <darylcanada73@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > All right stop right there. You're just being silly with all this talk of mud.
                        >
                        > And now for something completely different.
                        >
                        > Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean. Bet you do.
                        >
                        > Do you ever take photographs?
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, Frank McNeill <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Hi Richard,
                        > >
                        > > Your remark about squelching around in the mud has given me a serious
                        > > case of nostalgia, which is extremely dangerous for old people like
                        > > me. It brought to mind an image of the actor in the marvelous TV
                        > > series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, who lumbered around in
                        > > enormously heavy rubber boots, mumbling to himself. The quote was from
                        > > your guy, Wm. Shakespeare, born a bit to early to have enjoyed
                        > > watching the "circus" as much as I did. Another twinge of nostalgia,
                        > > me in a HG Wells time machine going back to pick up Wm., then forward
                        > > a bit to park the contraption and watch the Flying Circus series over
                        > > and over again.
                        > >
                        > > old Frank
                        > >
                        > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Richard Mundy <coracles18@> wrote:
                        > > > Hi Frank,
                        > > > Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!
                        > > >
                        > > > Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
                        > > > Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.
                        > > >
                        > > > Dick
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Hi Dick.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> There is a tide in the affairs of men.
                        > > >> Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
                        > > >> Omitted, all the voyage of their life
                        > > >> Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> old Frank ;>(
                        > > >>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
                        > > >> >
                        > > >> > Hi all,
                        > > >> > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
                        > > >> > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
                        > > >> >  Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
                        > > >> >  DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
                        > > >> > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
                        > > >> > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
                        > > >> > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
                        > > >> >
                        > > >> > Dick
                        > > >> >
                        > > >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
                        > > >> > >
                        > > >> > >  I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
                        > > >> > > This ties in with CAD  and the various CAD software that is available.
                        > > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg   All of the parts in the
                        > > >> > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
                        > > >> > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
                        > > >> > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
                        > > >> > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
                        > > >> > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
                        > > >> > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
                        > > >> > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
                        > > >> > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
                        > > >> > > to Part"!  I will post the Youtude in under Links.  Pete      Are you
                        > > >> > > sure you want to send this message?
                        > > >> > >
                        > > >> >
                        > > >>
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ------------------------------------
                        > > >
                        > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                      • Richard Mundy
                        Hi Frank, sounds like your auditioning for Shaun of the dead ! My cat does that, climbs on the bed in the middle of the night and breathes curry fumes into my
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                          Hi Frank,

                          sounds like your auditioning for 'Shaun of the dead'!

                          My cat does that, climbs on the bed in the middle of the night and breathes curry fumes into my face. She prefers the bins at the local takeaway to proper cat food!

                          Dick
                          PS Mud is a small price to pay for the scenery.


                          --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, Frank McNeill <frankmcneilll@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > It's almost about me Daryl, I was awakened by a feeling that I was
                          > being buried alive.
                          > False alarm- it was my cat Cleo, probably wondering if I was dead
                          > enough to eat.
                          >
                          > old half dead uneaten Frank
                          >
                          > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:28 AM, darylcanada73 <darylcanada73@...> wrote:
                          > > Just on the off chance somebody missed it those were quotes from,
                          > > "Monty Python's Flying Circus" to which I add, "He's not dead, he's just sleeping." That's about the parrot, not you Frank.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                          > >>
                          > >> Hi Daryl,
                          > >>
                          > >> My impression was that mud squelching is not something Richard does professionally, or as a hobby, but because the mud is located somewhere between his house and the water that floats his boat. It does indicate a poor choice of a place to float his boat because he could have house somewhere next to a swimming pool similar to one shown in the latest home page picture. He might need a smaller boat which could be obtained by assembling it from Lego bricks the way contestants in The Great LEGO Boat Race of June 8, 2008 did.
                          > >> Anyone who is interested might go to http://tinyurl.com/cayspp for information- like is the race just for children, age limits, and do they have rules that exclude people in their 2nd or 3rd childhoods?
                          > >>
                          > >> Old Frank
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "darylcanada73" <darylcanada73@> wrote:
                          > >> >
                          > >> > All right stop right there. You're just being silly with all this talk of mud.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > And now for something completely different.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean. Bet you do.
                          > >> >
                          > >> > Do you ever take photographs?
                          > >> >
                          > >> >
                          > >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, Frank McNeill <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Hi Richard,
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > Your remark about squelching around in the mud has given me a serious
                          > >> > > case of nostalgia, which is extremely dangerous for old people like
                          > >> > > me. It brought to mind an image of the actor in the marvelous TV
                          > >> > > series, Monty Python's Flying Circus, who lumbered around in
                          > >> > > enormously heavy rubber boots, mumbling to himself. The quote was from
                          > >> > > your guy, Wm. Shakespeare, born a bit to early to have enjoyed
                          > >> > > watching the "circus" as much as I did. Another twinge of nostalgia,
                          > >> > > me in a HG Wells time machine going back to pick up Wm., then forward
                          > >> > > a bit to park the contraption and watch the Flying Circus series over
                          > >> > > and over again.
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > old Frank
                          > >> > >
                          > >> > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Richard Mundy <coracles18@> wrote:
                          > >> > > > Hi Frank,
                          > >> > > > Interesting quote, I seem to have spent most of my life squelching around in the mud!
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > Re Cad, I thought I had gone on long enough, however it is worth pointing out that there are specialised CAD programs for all sorts of projects, like boatbuilding, electronic layout, needlework, Lego etc.
                          > >> > > > Perhaps one day someone will develop a program for designing Pop Pop engines.
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > Dick
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Frank McNeill" <frankmcneilll@> wrote:
                          > >> > > >>
                          > >> > > >> Hi Dick.
                          > >> > > >>
                          > >> > > >> You forgot to mention "LEGO Design." Anybody who wants to learn how to design with Lego bricks can learn more about it by looking inside a folder titled CAD SOFTWARE in the Links Section. My wife spent a small fortune buying Lego kits when our grandsons were kids. Most of the bricks wound up in a galvanized trash can after the boxes and instructions were lost. We finally donated the can and its contents to a school our daughter recommended. If we had just waited, I might have become a rich and famous Lego designer by now.
                          > >> > > >>
                          > >> > > >> There is a tide in the affairs of men.
                          > >> > > >> Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
                          > >> > > >> Omitted, all the voyage of their life
                          > >> > > >> Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
                          > >> > > >>
                          > >> > > >> old Frank ;>(
                          > >> > > >>
                          > >> > > >>
                          > >> > > >> --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@> wrote:
                          > >> > > >> >
                          > >> > > >> > Hi all,
                          > >> > > >> > it kind of depends on what you mean by CAD. 2D, 3D, or solid modelling.
                          > >> > > >> > 2D is a replacement for the old style drawing board and will drive simple NC machines like lazers and routers with great accuracy as well as producing traditional working drawings (front, side, plan). There is loads of free software that will do this and in most cases is all you need.
                          > >> > > >> >  Google Sketchup has a free version which is well worth downloading if you want to play around with solid modelling. This is sort of compatable with DoubleCADXT, which is a free 2D program that will import 3D files.
                          > >> > > >> >  DoubleCAD is fine for mechanical as well as architectural. To see what Sketchup can do, have a look at some of the Videos. These can be found on U tube.
                          > >> > > >> > Some of the high end CAD has a long steep learning curve which may be best avoided unless you have a real need, but most incorporate solid modelling as well as 3D.
                          > >> > > >> > Files can be swapped around most applications using amongst others, the dxf format (beware of scale and 3D to 2D), or a lot of the high end programs do a free viewer if you don't want to work on them.
                          > >> > > >> > Cad can be great fun and very productive, but it can also be extremely frustrating and a huge time waster till you get to know what you are doing, and even then .....!
                          > >> > > >> >
                          > >> > > >> > Dick
                          > >> > > >> >
                          > >> > > >> > --- In pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com, "Pete B." <georgeyyy@> wrote:
                          > >> > > >> > >
                          > >> > > >> > >  I just received a Youtube link for the prototype Fulton engine.
                          > >> > > >> > > This ties in with CAD  and the various CAD software that is available.
                          > >> > > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn_SkzDQTZg   All of the parts in the
                          > >> > > >> > > model were developed in CAD. Of the 6 project volunteers 3 of us use
                          > >> > > >> > > CAD. The video is from Maryland where the volunteer uses Autodesk's
                          > >> > > >> > > Inventor. Another volunteer in Florida uses Solidworks and here in NY I
                          > >> > > >> > > use Keycreator. Each of these software packages run between $4000 &
                          > >> > > >> > > $6000. The three of us freely pass our design files back and forth in
                          > >> > > >> > > the process of building this engine. The sophistication of each of our
                          > >> > > >> > > software packages allows us share and compare our designs over the
                          > >> > > >> > > Internet. No longer a need for paper drawings. As the saying goes; "Art
                          > >> > > >> > > to Part"!  I will post the Youtude in under Links.  Pete      Are you
                          > >> > > >> > > sure you want to send this message?
                          > >> > > >> > >
                          > >> > > >> >
                          > >> > > >>
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > > >
                          > >> > >
                          > >> >
                          > >>
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ------------------------------------
                          > >
                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                        • David Halfpenny
                          ... From: Richard Mundy Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:46 PM To: Subject:
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                            From: "Richard Mundy" <coracles18@...>
                            Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 5:46 PM
                            To: <pop-pop-steamboats@yahoogroups.com>
                            Subject: [pop-pop-steamboats] Re: The Fulton Engine Project & CAD

                            > Hi Frank,
                            >
                            > sounds like your auditioning for 'Shaun of the dead'!
                            >
                            > My cat does that, climbs on the bed in the middle of the night and
                            > breathes curry fumes into my face. She prefers the bins at the local
                            > takeaway to proper cat food!
                            >

                            Ah, Simon's Cat:

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ffwDYo00Q
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