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  • Mike
    I as well submitted mine within days of it s release. This is ridiculous that it is taking this long. It is great that some are having huge success. I have yet
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      I as well submitted mine within days of it's release. This is ridiculous
      that it is taking this long. It is great that some are having huge success.
      I have yet to see one hit.

      On Feb 1, 2008 1:54 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...> wrote:

      > I have tried to submit mine repeatedly, even had assurances from Rob
      > it would be submitted the following day(over a month ago) and still I
      > only see the `leading` WoW podcasts. I guess only the popular get
      > priority.
      >
      > On Feb 1, 2008 9:05 AM, James Wadsworth <goleafsgo_james@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Why would they put it out for Macs? Who on a Mac would use it over
      > iTunes?
      > >
      > > But as far as I know, the Zune Marketplace still hasn't added my
      > podcast
      > > in, and I submitted the day after it came out...
      > >
      > > Thanks,
      > > ~James Wadsworth
      > > http://radio.laml.org/
      > >
      > > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
      > > From: shepdave@...
      > > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:42:12 +0000
      > > Subject: [podcasters] Submissions to Zune Marketplace
      > >
      > >
      > > So I was following the discussion about Zune, i.e., Todd Cochrane's
      > >
      > > problem with audio and video in the feeds, and it occurred to me to
      > >
      > > wonder: is my podcast in the Zune directory?
      > >
      > > So I went to the Zune blog, saw Rob Greenlee's post about how to
      > >
      > > submit to Zune, and then tried to download the Zune software.
      > >
      > > As far as I can tell, it's Windows only. Am I wrong? So if I'm a
      > >
      > > podcaster who uses the Macintosh platform, not only can I not install
      > >
      > > the Zune software on my machine, I can't check to see whether my show
      > >
      > > works with Zune. I can't tell if I'm in the Zune Marketplace
      > >
      > > directory. Indeed, if I'm not there, I can't even submit it the
      > >
      > > "normal" way.
      > >
      > > Am I wrong here? Did I miss the link at the Zune website to a
      > >
      > > Mac-friendly version of the software? Or is Microsoft once again
      > >
      > > trying to pretend that Mac computers don't exist?
      > >
      > > Dave Shepherd
      > >
      > > --
      > >
      > > The Word Nerds, a podcast about language
      > >
      > > http://thewordnerds.org
      > >
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      > >
      >
      >
      >
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    • Brains Matter
      I had the same problem - I m a mac user, so the software was useless to me - I tried to submit it via a Windows machine (and had huge problems with it), but I
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        I had the same problem - I'm a mac user, so the software was useless
        to me - I tried to submit it via a Windows machine (and had huge
        problems with it), but I still have no idea if it's on there or not.
        (I submitted the day after it came out as well)
        --
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        Melbourne, Australia
        email: mail@...
        podcast feed: iTunes or http://feeds.feedburner.com/BrainsMatter
        web: http://www.brainsmatter.com/






        On 02/02/2008, at 2:05 AM, James Wadsworth wrote:

        > Why would they put it out for Macs? Who on a Mac would use it over
        > iTunes?
        >
        > But as far as I know, the Zune Marketplace still hasn't added my
        > podcast in, and I submitted the day after it came out...
        >
        > Thanks,
        > ~James Wadsworth
        > http://radio.laml.org/
        >
        > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
        > From: shepdave@...
        > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:42:12 +0000
        > Subject: [podcasters] Submissions to Zune Marketplace
        >
        > So I was following the discussion about Zune, i.e., Todd Cochrane's
        >
        > problem with audio and video in the feeds, and it occurred to me to
        >
        > wonder: is my podcast in the Zune directory?
        >
        > So I went to the Zune blog, saw Rob Greenlee's post about how to
        >
        > submit to Zune, and then tried to download the Zune software.
        >
        > As far as I can tell, it's Windows only. Am I wrong? So if I'm a
        >
        > podcaster who uses the Macintosh platform, not only can I not install
        >
        > the Zune software on my machine, I can't check to see whether my show
        >
        > works with Zune. I can't tell if I'm in the Zune Marketplace
        >
        > directory. Indeed, if I'm not there, I can't even submit it the
        >
        > "normal" way.
        >
        > Am I wrong here? Did I miss the link at the Zune website to a
        >
        > Mac-friendly version of the software? Or is Microsoft once again
        >
        > trying to pretend that Mac computers don't exist?
        >
        > Dave Shepherd
        >
        > --
        >
        > The Word Nerds, a podcast about language
        >
        > http://thewordnerds.org
        >
        > __________________________________________________________
        > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
        > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008
        >
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        >
        >
        >



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      • nycedeli
        Rob, Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has been accepted? Is
        Message 3 of 29 , Mar 15, 2008
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          Rob,
          Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
          non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
          been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?

          Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
          have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
          its podcast listings.

          Thanks.
        • writerpatrick
          ... Since we haven t had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn t work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With the tiny trickle
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            --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "nycedeli" <lavenividivici@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > Rob,
            > Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
            > non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
            > been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?
            >
            > Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
            > have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
            > its podcast listings.
            >
            > Thanks.
            >

            Since we haven't had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn't
            work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With
            the tiny trickle of podcasts being added, it's appearent they just
            don't care about podcasters.

            You might want to try postal mailing. The only address I came up with
            was for Microsoft but you could try addressing it to the Zune
            department. It probably has just a good a chance as posting anything.
          • patriotworld
            I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just hasn t shown
            Message 5 of 29 , Mar 17, 2008
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              I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune
              Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just
              hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able to subscribe
              through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured I'd pass
              that on fyi...

              On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:42 AM, writerpatrick <writerpatrick@...>
              wrote:

              > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com <podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>,
              > "nycedeli" <lavenividivici@...>
              > wrote:
              >
              > >
              > > Rob,
              > > Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
              > > non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
              > > been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?
              > >
              > > Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
              > > have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
              > > its podcast listings.
              > >
              > > Thanks.
              > >
              >
              > Since we haven't had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn't
              > work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With
              > the tiny trickle of podcasts being added, it's appearent they just
              > don't care about podcasters.
              >
              > You might want to try postal mailing. The only address I came up with
              > was for Microsoft but you could try addressing it to the Zune
              > department. It probably has just a good a chance as posting anything.
              >
              >
              >



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            • Stephen Eley
              ... You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace from your own Web site. The URL format is:
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                On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...> wrote:
                > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune
                > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just
                > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able to subscribe
                > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured I'd pass
                > that on fyi...

                You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace from
                your own Web site. The URL format is:

                zune://subscribe/?[podcast_title]=[podcast_url]

                For example, the one-click subscription I set up on listener request
                for our upcoming fantasy podcast is:
                zune://subscribe/?PodCastle=http://feeds.feedburner.com/PodCastle_Main

                Rob Walch also has a convenient chicklet on his site for a link image:
                http://podcast411.com/07img/1click_Zune.gif

                I don't have any inside information on this, BTW. I found it by
                Googling "Zune one-click." I don't even have a machine running
                Windows in my house, so I couldn't confirm for myself whether this
                works, but listeners tell me it does.



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              • Todd Cochrane
                Its relative easy to put the link on your webpage, this is the format. zune://subscribe/?Geek+News+Central=http://www.geeknewscentral.com/podcast.xml ...
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                  Its relative easy to put the link on your webpage, this is the format.

                  zune://subscribe/?Geek+News+Central=http://www.geeknewscentral.com/podcast.xml

                  patriotworld wrote:
                  >
                  > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune
                  > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just
                  > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able to
                  > subscribe
                  > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured I'd pass
                  > that on fyi...
                  >
                  > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:42 AM, writerpatrick
                  > <writerpatrick@... <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
                  > wrote:
                  >
                  > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                  > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com> <podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>,
                  > > "nycedeli" <lavenividivici@...>
                  > > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Rob,
                  > > > Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
                  > > > non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
                  > > > been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?
                  > > >
                  > > > Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
                  > > > have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
                  > > > its podcast listings.
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks.
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > > Since we haven't had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn't
                  > > work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With
                  > > the tiny trickle of podcasts being added, it's appearent they just
                  > > don't care about podcasters.
                  > >
                  > > You might want to try postal mailing. The only address I came up with
                  > > was for Microsoft but you could try addressing it to the Zune
                  > > department. It probably has just a good a chance as posting anything.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  > --
                  > Mrs. B (Karen)
                  >
                  > http://karenjcardoza.com <http://karenjcardoza.com>
                  > (for links to Mrs. B's Patriot World, Mrs. B's Patriot World Podcast,
                  > Patriots Training Camp Reports, Muse with Me Podcast, & The 25th Hour, )
                  >
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                  >
                  >


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                • writerpatrick
                  ... in Zune ... it just ... to subscribe ... I d pass ... from ... I ve got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I Podcast Pickle added on
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                    --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                    wrote:
                    > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                    in Zune
                    > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                    it just
                    > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                    to subscribe
                    > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                    I'd pass
                    > > that on fyi...
                    >
                    > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                    from
                    > your own Web site. The URL format is:

                    I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                    Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                    Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                    or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                    if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                    without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                    but it makes it all the more difficult.

                    It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                    and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                    trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                    they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                    management.

                    I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                    for listings.
                  • Geek -
                    I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next day when I talked to him
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                      I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                      checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                      day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                      been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                      pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                      of the community, eh?


                      --
                      Dwight Wallbridge,
                      Blogger, Photographer, Geek

                      All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                      The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                      Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/

                      On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                      <writerpatrick@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                      > wrote:
                      > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                      > in Zune
                      > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                      > it just
                      > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                      > to subscribe
                      > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                      > I'd pass
                      > > > that on fyi...
                      > >
                      > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                      > from
                      > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                      >
                      > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                      > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                      > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                      > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                      > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                      > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                      > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                      >
                      > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                      > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                      > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                      > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                      > management.
                      >
                      > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                      > for listings.
                      >
                    • Mike
                      I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission before allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so behind
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                        I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission before
                        allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                        behind they just gave up.

                        On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...> wrote:

                        > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                        > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                        > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                        > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                        > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                        > of the community, eh?
                        >
                        >
                        > --
                        > Dwight Wallbridge,
                        > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                        >
                        > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                        > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                        > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                        >
                        > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                        > <writerpatrick@...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                        > > wrote:
                        > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                        > > in Zune
                        > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                        > > it just
                        > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                        > > to subscribe
                        > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                        > > I'd pass
                        > > > > that on fyi...
                        > > >
                        > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                        > > from
                        > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                        > >
                        > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                        > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                        > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                        > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                        > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                        > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                        > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                        > >
                        > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                        > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                        > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                        > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                        > > management.
                        > >
                        > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                        > > for listings.
                        > >
                        >
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                      • Ramble Redhead
                        I have to agree the process over there is very screwy - I had heard about it from a fellow podcaster and at the time I was only using my mac and couldn t even
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                          I have to agree the process over there is very screwy - I had heard
                          about it from a fellow podcaster and at the time I was only using my
                          mac and couldn't even upload the show to the site. This other
                          podcaster uploaded his and my show at the same time - my show is up
                          and his is not!

                          Hope they get it resolved soon!

                          On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission before
                          > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                          > behind they just gave up.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                          > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                          > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                          > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                          > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                          > > of the community, eh?
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --
                          > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                          > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                          > >
                          > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                          > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                          > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                          > >
                          > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                          > > <writerpatrick@...> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                          > > > in Zune
                          > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                          > > > it just
                          > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                          > > > to subscribe
                          > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                          > > > I'd pass
                          > > > > > that on fyi...
                          > > > >
                          > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                          > > > from
                          > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                          > > >
                          > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                          > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                          > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                          > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                          > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                          > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                          > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                          > > >
                          > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                          > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                          > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                          > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                          > > > management.
                          > > >
                          > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                          > > > for listings.
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > ========================================================================
                          > > Groups related to podcasters
                          > > ========================================================================
                          > >
                          > > c6x (401 common members)
                          > >
                          > >
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                          >
                          > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                          > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                          > >
                          > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                          > >
                          > >
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                          >
                          > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is made to
                          > > help job seekers appearing f...
                          > >
                          > > c54x (337 common members)
                          > >
                          > >
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                          >
                          > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                          > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                          > >
                          > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                          > >
                          > >
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                          >
                          > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are interested
                          > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                          > >
                          > > code-comp (293 common members)
                          > >
                          > >
                          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                          >
                          > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                          > group
                          > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ------------------------------------
                          > >
                          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                          > >
                          > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                          > >
                          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                          > --
                          > Mike Wills
                          >
                          > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >
                          >



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                        • Geek -
                          Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that info. I see Rob
                          Message 12 of 29 , Mar 19, 2008
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                            Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                            happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                            info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                            doesn't work there anymore.

                            On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission before
                            > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                            > behind they just gave up.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                            > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                            > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                            > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                            > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                            > > of the community, eh?
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --
                            > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                            > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                            > >
                            > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                            > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                            > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                            > >
                            > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                            > > <writerpatrick@...> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                            > > > wrote:
                            > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                            > > > in Zune
                            > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                            > > > it just
                            > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                            > > > to subscribe
                            > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                            > > > I'd pass
                            > > > > > that on fyi...
                            > > > >
                            > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                            > > > from
                            > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                            > > >
                            > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                            > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                            > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                            > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                            > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                            > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                            > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                            > > >
                            > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                            > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                            > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                            > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                            > > > management.
                            > > >
                            > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                            > > > for listings.
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > ========================================================================
                            > > Groups related to podcasters
                            > > ========================================================================
                            > >
                            > > c6x (401 common members)
                            > >
                            > >
                            > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                            >
                            > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                            > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                            > >
                            > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                            > >
                            > >
                            > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                            > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is made to
                            > > help job seekers appearing f...
                            > >
                            > > c54x (337 common members)
                            > >
                            > >
                            > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                            >
                            > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                            > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                            > >
                            > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                            > >
                            > >
                            > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                            >
                            > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are interested
                            > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                            > >
                            > > code-comp (293 common members)
                            > >
                            > >
                            > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                            >
                            > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                            > group
                            > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ------------------------------------
                            > >
                            > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                            > >
                            > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                            > >
                            > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            > --
                            > Mike Wills
                            >
                            > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                            >
                            >
                            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            >
                            >



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                          • Les Zaldor
                            Recently there was an episode of The Podcasting Underground which had an interview with Rob, he stated that they go through quite a review process. I d assume
                            Message 13 of 29 , Mar 19, 2008
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                              Recently there was an episode of The Podcasting Underground which had an
                              interview with Rob, he stated that they go through quite a review process.
                              I'd assume that he's still working for Microsoft, but just very busy?

                              http://www.podcastingunderground.com/insider-look-into-podcasting-and-the-zune




                              On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...> wrote:

                              > Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                              > happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                              > info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                              > doesn't work there anymore.
                              >
                              >
                              > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...<koldark%40gmail.com>>
                              > wrote:
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission
                              > before
                              > > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                              > > behind they just gave up.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...<cdngeek%40gmail.com>>
                              > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                              > > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                              > > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                              > > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                              > > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                              > > > of the community, eh?
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --
                              > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                              > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                              > > >
                              > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                              > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                              > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                              > > >
                              > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                              > > > <writerpatrick@... <writerpatrick%40netzero.net>> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com <podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>,
                              > "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                              > > > > wrote:
                              > > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                              > > > > in Zune
                              > > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                              > > > > it just
                              > > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                              > > > > to subscribe
                              > > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                              > > > > I'd pass
                              > > > > > > that on fyi...
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                              > > > > from
                              > > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                              > > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                              > > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond
                              > Zune
                              > > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                              > > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                              > > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                              > > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking
                              > submissions
                              > > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                              > > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                              > > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                              > > > > management.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                              > > > > for listings.
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > ========================================================================
                              > > > Groups related to podcasters
                              > > >
                              > ========================================================================
                              > > >
                              > > > c6x (401 common members)
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                              > >
                              > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                              > > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                              > > >
                              > > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                              > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is made
                              > to
                              > > > help job seekers appearing f...
                              > > >
                              > > > c54x (337 common members)
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                              > >
                              > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                              > > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                              > > >
                              > > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                              > >
                              > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are
                              > interested
                              > > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                              > > >
                              > > > code-comp (293 common members)
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                              > >
                              > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                              > > group
                              > > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ------------------------------------
                              > > >
                              > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                              > > >
                              > > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                              > > >
                              > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                              > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > --
                              > > Mike Wills
                              > >
                              > > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              > >
                              > >
                              >
                              > --
                              > Dwight Wallbridge,
                              > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                              >
                              > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                              > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                              > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                              >
                              >



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                            • Todd Cochrane
                              Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a huge increase in
                              Message 14 of 29 , Mar 19, 2008
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                                Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows
                                would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a huge
                                increase in listners from those that are on the Zune Marketplace and
                                those that have done the simple thing of putting the subscribe icon on
                                their site. You do not have to be in the Zune Marketplace to have your
                                content subscribed to. I show that most of my new zune listeners have
                                come from people subscribing either off blubrry.com or my own site.

                                The new listener numbers from Zune is pretty impressive, audience market
                                share is growing with Zune capturing close to 20% of many shows
                                audiences these are new listeners not cross-overs. Say what you will
                                they have brought an enormous number of new listeners to the space.

                                But here are some points you should consider. Make Sure your RSS feed is
                                Valid at all times I can almost bet a invalid RSS feed will make your
                                show less likely to be added to the marketplace. Make sure your RSS
                                feeds meta data is complete, the number of people that have jacked up
                                RSS feeds is beyond belief. http://www.feedvalidator.org

                                My opinion only and Not sure if this matters for the Zune folks but take
                                sometime and make sure your website is presentable a shitty looking
                                website or one that does not have basic data like a contact email, rss
                                icon, zune icon etc gives the appearance you have not done your
                                homework. More podcasters have lost advertising deals working with us
                                simply because the vendor looked at the persons website and said no
                                thanks they did not even listen to the content.

                                Another thing is if you have questions why not email rob directly..

                                Todd...



                                Geek - wrote:
                                >
                                > Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                > happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                > info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                > doesn't work there anymore.
                                >
                                > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...
                                > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each
                                > submission before
                                > > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                                > > behind they just gave up.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...
                                > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                > > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                                > > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                                > > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                                > > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                                > > > of the community, eh?
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > --
                                > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                > > >
                                > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography
                                > http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                > > >
                                > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                > > > <writerpatrick@... <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
                                > wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                                > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                                > > > > wrote:
                                > > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                                > > > > in Zune
                                > > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                                > > > > it just
                                > > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                                > > > > to subscribe
                                > > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                                > > > > I'd pass
                                > > > > > > that on fyi...
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                                > > > > from
                                > > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                                > > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                > > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond
                                > Zune
                                > > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                                > > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                > > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                                > > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking
                                > submissions
                                > > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                > > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                                > > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                > > > > management.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                                > > > > for listings.
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > ========================================================================
                                > > > Groups related to podcasters
                                > > >
                                > ========================================================================
                                > > >
                                > > > c6x (401 common members)
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                                > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg>
                                > >
                                > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                > > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                                > > >
                                > > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg>
                                > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is
                                > made to
                                > > > help job seekers appearing f...
                                > > >
                                > > > c54x (337 common members)
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg>
                                > >
                                > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                > > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                                > > >
                                > > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>
                                > >
                                > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are
                                > interested
                                > > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                                > > >
                                > > > code-comp (293 common members)
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg>
                                > >
                                > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                > > group
                                > > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > ------------------------------------
                                > > >
                                > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                > > >
                                > > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                                > > >
                                > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > --
                                > > Mike Wills
                                > >
                                > > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                                > <http://thenextgenerationofradio.com>
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                > >
                                > >
                                >
                                > --
                                > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                >
                                > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                >
                                >


                                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              • Geek -
                                Todd, I agree with almost all of your points. A person s website should have no impact on inclusion in a directory. There is no connection at all between the
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                                  Todd,

                                  I agree with almost all of your points. A person's website should have
                                  no impact on inclusion in a directory. There is no connection at all
                                  between the two. For podcasters not overly eager for ads wouldn't see
                                  this as a major sticking point. In fact I find my website gets
                                  relatively little traffic, most of my traffic coming from aggregators
                                  and podcatchers, and I spent a lot of time getting my look just right
                                  and keeping it that way. As well, I don't think, with the resources at
                                  Microsoft, that it would be too much to ask that if they reject a
                                  submission, they at least say why. Even a script generated email would
                                  be fine as long as it said what the person can do to rectify the
                                  situation for resubmission. Lastly, I have emailed Rob 4 times since
                                  his 'next work day' promise and received not a single reply. 'Email
                                  him' only works if the person bothers to respond.

                                  On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows
                                  > would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a huge
                                  > increase in listners from those that are on the Zune Marketplace and
                                  > those that have done the simple thing of putting the subscribe icon on
                                  > their site. You do not have to be in the Zune Marketplace to have your
                                  > content subscribed to. I show that most of my new zune listeners have
                                  > come from people subscribing either off blubrry.com or my own site.
                                  >
                                  > The new listener numbers from Zune is pretty impressive, audience market
                                  > share is growing with Zune capturing close to 20% of many shows
                                  > audiences these are new listeners not cross-overs. Say what you will
                                  > they have brought an enormous number of new listeners to the space.
                                  >
                                  > But here are some points you should consider. Make Sure your RSS feed is
                                  > Valid at all times I can almost bet a invalid RSS feed will make your
                                  > show less likely to be added to the marketplace. Make sure your RSS
                                  > feeds meta data is complete, the number of people that have jacked up
                                  > RSS feeds is beyond belief. http://www.feedvalidator.org
                                  >
                                  > My opinion only and Not sure if this matters for the Zune folks but take
                                  > sometime and make sure your website is presentable a shitty looking
                                  > website or one that does not have basic data like a contact email, rss
                                  > icon, zune icon etc gives the appearance you have not done your
                                  > homework. More podcasters have lost advertising deals working with us
                                  > simply because the vendor looked at the persons website and said no
                                  > thanks they did not even listen to the content.
                                  >
                                  > Another thing is if you have questions why not email rob directly..
                                  >
                                  > Todd...
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Geek - wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                  > > happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                  > > info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                  > > doesn't work there anymore.
                                  > >
                                  > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...
                                  > > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each
                                  > > submission before
                                  > > > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are
                                  > so
                                  > > > behind they just gave up.
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...
                                  > > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                  > > > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                                  > > > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                                  > > > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                                  > > > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a
                                  > part
                                  > > > > of the community, eh?
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --
                                  > > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                  > > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                  > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                  > > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                  > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                  > > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography
                                  > > http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                  > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                  > > > > <writerpatrick@... <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
                                  > > wrote:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                                  >
                                  > > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                                  > > > > > wrote:
                                  > > > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my
                                  > podcast
                                  > > > > > in Zune
                                  > > > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                                  > > > > > it just
                                  > > > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                                  > > > > > to subscribe
                                  > > > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                                  > > > > > I'd pass
                                  > > > > > > > that on fyi...
                                  > > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                                  > > > > > from
                                  > > > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                                  > > > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                  > > > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond
                                  > > Zune
                                  > > > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                                  > > > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                  > > > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do
                                  > business,
                                  > > > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking
                                  > > submissions
                                  > > > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                  > > > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is
                                  > after
                                  > > > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                  > > > > > management.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start
                                  > charging
                                  > > > > > for listings.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > ========================================================================
                                  > > > > Groups related to podcasters
                                  > > > >
                                  > > ========================================================================
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > c6x (401 common members)
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                                  > >
                                  > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg>
                                  > > >
                                  > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                  > > > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                  > >
                                  > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg>
                                  > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is
                                  > > made to
                                  > > > > help job seekers appearing f...
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > c54x (337 common members)
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                  > >
                                  > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg>
                                  > > >
                                  > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                  > > > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                  > >
                                  > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>
                                  > > >
                                  > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are
                                  > > interested
                                  > > > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > code-comp (293 common members)
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                  > >
                                  > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg>
                                  > > >
                                  > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                  > > > group
                                  > > > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ------------------------------------
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                  > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --
                                  > > > Mike Wills
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                                  > > <http://thenextgenerationofradio.com>
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --
                                  > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                  > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                  > >
                                  > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                  > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                  > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                  > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                  > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                  > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  >
                                  >



                                  --
                                  Dwight Wallbridge,
                                  Blogger, Photographer, Geek

                                  All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                  The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                  Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                • Todd Cochrane
                                  Again I don t know if the website appearance has anything to do with it but it was a general suggestion. I do think that ones website has a huge impact on a
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                                    Again I don't know if the website appearance has anything to do with it
                                    but it was a general suggestion. I do think that ones website has a huge
                                    impact on a show. I never subscribe to a show without going to their
                                    website first looking at the content they are publishing and see if they
                                    can be considered an authority in the topic they are covering.

                                    As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
                                    believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
                                    Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting, If you Blogging you
                                    need to Podcasting and Videocasting. If your Videocasting you need to be
                                    blogging and podcasting. Sites that are only doing one of the above are
                                    at risk of being marginalized. You have people that consume content
                                    differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
                                    read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
                                    three cylinders.

                                    Todd..

                                    Geek - wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Todd,
                                    >
                                    > I agree with almost all of your points. A person's website should have
                                    > no impact on inclusion in a directory. There is no connection at all
                                    > between the two. For podcasters not overly eager for ads wouldn't see
                                    > this as a major sticking point. In fact I find my website gets
                                    > relatively little traffic, most of my traffic coming from aggregators
                                    > and podcatchers, and I spent a lot of time getting my look just right
                                    > and keeping it that way. As well, I don't think, with the resources at
                                    > Microsoft, that it would be too much to ask that if they reject a
                                    > submission, they at least say why. Even a script generated email would
                                    > be fine as long as it said what the person can do to rectify the
                                    > situation for resubmission. Lastly, I have emailed Rob 4 times since
                                    > his 'next work day' promise and received not a single reply. 'Email
                                    > him' only works if the person bothers to respond.
                                    >
                                    > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...
                                    > <mailto:ceo%40rawvoice.com>> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows
                                    > > would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a huge
                                    > > increase in listners from those that are on the Zune Marketplace and
                                    > > those that have done the simple thing of putting the subscribe icon on
                                    > > their site. You do not have to be in the Zune Marketplace to have your
                                    > > content subscribed to. I show that most of my new zune listeners have
                                    > > come from people subscribing either off blubrry.com or my own site.
                                    > >
                                    > > The new listener numbers from Zune is pretty impressive, audience market
                                    > > share is growing with Zune capturing close to 20% of many shows
                                    > > audiences these are new listeners not cross-overs. Say what you will
                                    > > they have brought an enormous number of new listeners to the space.
                                    > >
                                    > > But here are some points you should consider. Make Sure your RSS feed is
                                    > > Valid at all times I can almost bet a invalid RSS feed will make your
                                    > > show less likely to be added to the marketplace. Make sure your RSS
                                    > > feeds meta data is complete, the number of people that have jacked up
                                    > > RSS feeds is beyond belief. http://www.feedvalidator.org
                                    > <http://www.feedvalidator.org>
                                    > >
                                    > > My opinion only and Not sure if this matters for the Zune folks but take
                                    > > sometime and make sure your website is presentable a shitty looking
                                    > > website or one that does not have basic data like a contact email, rss
                                    > > icon, zune icon etc gives the appearance you have not done your
                                    > > homework. More podcasters have lost advertising deals working with us
                                    > > simply because the vendor looked at the persons website and said no
                                    > > thanks they did not even listen to the content.
                                    > >
                                    > > Another thing is if you have questions why not email rob directly..
                                    > >
                                    > > Todd...
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Geek - wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                    > > > happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                    > > > info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                    > > > doesn't work there anymore.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...
                                    > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>
                                    > > > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each
                                    > > > submission before
                                    > > > > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or
                                    > they are
                                    > > so
                                    > > > > behind they just gave up.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...
                                    > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>
                                    > > > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                    > > > > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added
                                    > the next
                                    > > > > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They
                                    > have
                                    > > > > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they
                                    > have is
                                    > > > > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a
                                    > > part
                                    > > > > > of the community, eh?
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > --
                                    > > > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                    > > > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                    > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                    > > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/ <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>>
                                    > > > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                    > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                    > > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/ <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>>
                                    > > > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography
                                    > > > http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                    > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                    > > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                    > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>>
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                    > > > > > <writerpatrick@...
                                    > <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net> <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
                                    > > > wrote:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > >
                                    > > > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld
                                    > <patriotworld@...>
                                    > > > > > > wrote:
                                    > > > > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my
                                    > > podcast
                                    > > > > > > in Zune
                                    > > > > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long
                                    > ago but
                                    > > > > > > it just
                                    > > > > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he
                                    > was able
                                    > > > > > > to subscribe
                                    > > > > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but
                                    > figured
                                    > > > > > > I'd pass
                                    > > > > > > > > that on fyi...
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune
                                    > Marketplace
                                    > > > > > > from
                                    > > > > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this
                                    > and I
                                    > > > > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                    > > > > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond
                                    > > > Zune
                                    > > > > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast
                                    > exists
                                    > > > > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                    > > > > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do
                                    > > business,
                                    > > > > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking
                                    > > > submissions
                                    > > > > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                    > > > > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is
                                    > > after
                                    > > > > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                    > > > > > > management.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start
                                    > > charging
                                    > > > > > > for listings.
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > ========================================================================
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                                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
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                                    > > >
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                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg>>
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal
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                                    > > > > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
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                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg>
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg>>
                                    > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is
                                    > > > made to
                                    > > > > > help job seekers appearing f...
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > c54x (337 common members)
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                                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg>
                                    > > >
                                    > >
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                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg>>
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal
                                    > of this
                                    > > > > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>>
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are
                                    > > > interested
                                    > > > > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > code-comp (293 common members)
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                                    > > > > >
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                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg>
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                    > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg>>
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal
                                    > of this
                                    > > > > group
                                    > > > > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
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                                    > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                    > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --
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                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
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                                    > > >
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                                    > > >
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                                    > > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/ <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>>
                                    > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
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                                    > >
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                                    >
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                                  • Geek -
                                    Todd, Not all of us can afford the bandwidth and production costs of videocasting. I hit on 2 of those, though, and I am ok with not having invested the cash
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                                      Todd,

                                      Not all of us can afford the bandwidth and production costs of
                                      videocasting. I hit on 2 of those, though, and I am ok with not having
                                      invested the cash to get into the video space. Not all of us want to
                                      form the next TWiT network, Rev 3, or other podcast network. Some of
                                      us just want to do the best podcast we can.

                                      On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Again I don't know if the website appearance has anything to do with it
                                      > but it was a general suggestion. I do think that ones website has a huge
                                      > impact on a show. I never subscribe to a show without going to their
                                      > website first looking at the content they are publishing and see if they
                                      > can be considered an authority in the topic they are covering.
                                      >
                                      > As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
                                      > believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
                                      > Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting, If you Blogging you
                                      > need to Podcasting and Videocasting. If your Videocasting you need to be
                                      > blogging and podcasting. Sites that are only doing one of the above are
                                      > at risk of being marginalized. You have people that consume content
                                      > differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
                                      > read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
                                      > three cylinders.
                                      >
                                      > Todd..
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Geek - wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Todd,
                                      > >
                                      > > I agree with almost all of your points. A person's website should have
                                      > > no impact on inclusion in a directory. There is no connection at all
                                      > > between the two. For podcasters not overly eager for ads wouldn't see
                                      > > this as a major sticking point. In fact I find my website gets
                                      > > relatively little traffic, most of my traffic coming from aggregators
                                      > > and podcatchers, and I spent a lot of time getting my look just right
                                      > > and keeping it that way. As well, I don't think, with the resources at
                                      > > Microsoft, that it would be too much to ask that if they reject a
                                      > > submission, they at least say why. Even a script generated email would
                                      > > be fine as long as it said what the person can do to rectify the
                                      > > situation for resubmission. Lastly, I have emailed Rob 4 times since
                                      > > his 'next work day' promise and received not a single reply. 'Email
                                      > > him' only works if the person bothers to respond.
                                      > >
                                      > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...
                                      >
                                      > > <mailto:ceo%40rawvoice.com>> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows
                                      > > > would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a
                                      > huge
                                      > > > increase in listners from those that are on the Zune Marketplace and
                                      > > > those that have done the simple thing of putting the subscribe icon on
                                      > > > their site. You do not have to be in the Zune Marketplace to have your
                                      > > > content subscribed to. I show that most of my new zune listeners have
                                      > > > come from people subscribing either off blubrry.com or my own site.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > The new listener numbers from Zune is pretty impressive, audience
                                      > market
                                      > > > share is growing with Zune capturing close to 20% of many shows
                                      > > > audiences these are new listeners not cross-overs. Say what you will
                                      > > > they have brought an enormous number of new listeners to the space.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > But here are some points you should consider. Make Sure your RSS feed
                                      > is
                                      > > > Valid at all times I can almost bet a invalid RSS feed will make your
                                      > > > show less likely to be added to the marketplace. Make sure your RSS
                                      > > > feeds meta data is complete, the number of people that have jacked up
                                      > > > RSS feeds is beyond belief. http://www.feedvalidator.org
                                      > > <http://www.feedvalidator.org>
                                      > > >
                                      > > > My opinion only and Not sure if this matters for the Zune folks but
                                      > take
                                      > > > sometime and make sure your website is presentable a shitty looking
                                      > > > website or one that does not have basic data like a contact email, rss
                                      > > > icon, zune icon etc gives the appearance you have not done your
                                      > > > homework. More podcasters have lost advertising deals working with us
                                      > > > simply because the vendor looked at the persons website and said no
                                      > > > thanks they did not even listen to the content.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Another thing is if you have questions why not email rob directly..
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Todd...
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Geek - wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                      > > > > happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                      > > > > info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                      > > > > doesn't work there anymore.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...
                                      > > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each
                                      > > > > submission before
                                      > > > > > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or
                                      > > they are
                                      > > > so
                                      > > > > > behind they just gave up.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...
                                      > > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>
                                      > > > > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                      > > > > > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added
                                      > > the next
                                      > > > > > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They
                                      > > have
                                      > > > > > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they
                                      > > have is
                                      > > > > > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a
                                      > > > part
                                      > > > > > > of the community, eh?
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > --
                                      > > > > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                      > > > > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                      > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                      > > > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/ <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>>
                                      > > > > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                      > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                      > > > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/ <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>>
                                      > > > > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography
                                      > > > > http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                      > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                      > > > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                      > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>>
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                      > > > > > > <writerpatrick@...
                                      > > <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>
                                      > <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > >
                                      > > > > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...>
                                      > > wrote:
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld
                                      > > <patriotworld@...>
                                      > > > > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > > > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my
                                      > > > podcast
                                      > > > > > > > in Zune
                                      > > > > > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long
                                      > > ago but
                                      > > > > > > > it just
                                      > > > > > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he
                                      > > was able
                                      > > > > > > > to subscribe
                                      > > > > > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but
                                      > > figured
                                      > > > > > > > I'd pass
                                      > > > > > > > > > that on fyi...
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune
                                      > > Marketplace
                                      > > > > > > > from
                                      > > > > > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this
                                      > > and I
                                      > > > > > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                      > > > > > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look
                                      > beyond
                                      > > > > Zune
                                      > > > > > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast
                                      > > exists
                                      > > > > > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                      > > > > > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do
                                      > > > business,
                                      > > > > > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking
                                      > > > > submissions
                                      > > > > > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than
                                      > a
                                      > > > > > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is
                                      > > > after
                                      > > > > > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                      > > > > > > > management.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start
                                      > > > charging
                                      > > > > > > > for listings.
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > ========================================================================
                                      > > > > > > Groups related to podcasters
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > ========================================================================
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > c6x (401 common members)
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg>
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg>>
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal
                                      > > of this
                                      > > > > > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg>
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg>>
                                      > > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is
                                      > > > > made to
                                      > > > > > > help job seekers appearing f...
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > c54x (337 common members)
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg>
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg>>
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal
                                      > > of this
                                      > > > > > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>>
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are
                                      > > > > interested
                                      > > > > > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > code-comp (293 common members)
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg>
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                      > >
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg>>
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal
                                      > > of this
                                      > > > > > group
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                                      > > > > > --
                                      > > > > > Mike Wills
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                                      > > <http://thenextgenerationofradio.com>
                                      > > > > <http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
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                                      > > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                      > > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                      > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                      > > > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/ <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>>
                                      > > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                      > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                      > > > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/ <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>>
                                      > > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography
                                      > > http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
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                                      > >
                                      > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                      > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                      > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                      > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                      > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
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                                      Blogger, Photographer, Geek

                                      All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                      The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                      Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                    • Stephen Eley
                                      ... That s overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material you re presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio should also be on TV and
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                                        On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
                                        > believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
                                        > Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting,

                                        That's overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material
                                        you're presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio
                                        should also be on TV and in print. Maybe _some_ can benefit from
                                        that, but not all.

                                        My podcasts narrate short stories. Our general model for delivery is
                                        'audiobook' style. A video podcast would do...what, for us, exactly?
                                        It's theoretically possible that I could point a camera at myself or
                                        someone else reading a story aloud, but how does that add value?


                                        > [ . . . ] You have people that consume content
                                        > differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
                                        > read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
                                        > three cylinders.

                                        My contrary advice would be "Get really good at one thing." And
                                        there's less point in adding additional complexity to 'grow your
                                        audience' until you've hit the saturation point where your audience
                                        isn't growing much in the medium you've got. Most of us still have a
                                        long way to go there.


                                        --
                                        Have Fun,
                                        Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                                        ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                                        http://www.escapepod.org
                                      • Todd Cochrane
                                        Steve In your case one thing for sure, is that what Leo suggest would not make sense. Todd ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                                          Steve

                                          In your case one thing for sure, is that what Leo suggest would not make
                                          sense.

                                          Todd

                                          Stephen Eley wrote:
                                          >
                                          > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...
                                          > <mailto:ceo%40rawvoice.com>> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
                                          > > believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
                                          > > Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting,
                                          >
                                          > That's overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material
                                          > you're presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio
                                          > should also be on TV and in print. Maybe _some_ can benefit from
                                          > that, but not all.
                                          >
                                          > My podcasts narrate short stories. Our general model for delivery is
                                          > 'audiobook' style. A video podcast would do...what, for us, exactly?
                                          > It's theoretically possible that I could point a camera at myself or
                                          > someone else reading a story aloud, but how does that add value?
                                          >
                                          > > [ . . . ] You have people that consume content
                                          > > differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
                                          > > read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
                                          > > three cylinders.
                                          >
                                          > My contrary advice would be "Get really good at one thing." And
                                          > there's less point in adding additional complexity to 'grow your
                                          > audience' until you've hit the saturation point where your audience
                                          > isn't growing much in the medium you've got. Most of us still have a
                                          > long way to go there.
                                          >
                                          > --
                                          > Have Fun,
                                          > Steve Eley (sfeley@... <mailto:sfeley%40gmail.com>)
                                          > ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                                          > http://www.escapepod.org <http://www.escapepod.org>
                                          >
                                          >


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                                        • Paul Puri
                                          ... Sure it is over general, but it is true if your subject matter applies. Let s start with just audio and blogging. How many podcasters have content beyond
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                                            On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:

                                            >
                                            > That's overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material
                                            > you're presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio
                                            > should also be on TV and in print. Maybe _some_ can benefit from
                                            > that, but not all.
                                            > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
                                            >
                                            >
                                            Sure it is over general, but it is true if your subject matter applies.
                                            Let's start with just audio and blogging. How many podcasters have content
                                            beyond just the audio? And again, this goes to the type of content you have.

                                            If you have a podcast about independent musicians, how much better would you
                                            be servicing your audience if you blogged about the bands you play? Tour
                                            dates perhaps? Tips from the bands. Reviews of the music.

                                            How about tech podcasts. You can't possibly fit all the tech news and info
                                            into one show. Blogging about what didn't fit into the show will bring your
                                            audience for more, and consistently. Now you have ears and eyeballs.

                                            Again, this is if it is relevant to your content, and if you want to grow
                                            and nurture your audience. And it is just advice. Shows like Mr. Eley's may
                                            not benefit from video, but blogging sure would fit in.

                                            There is no boilerplate to web content, but there sure is a lot of great
                                            ideas in how to increase your audience, or just entertain your existing
                                            audience with more than just one form.

                                            --
                                            Paul Puri

                                            New media with an independent spirit:
                                            http://puripodcastproductions.com

                                            My gear recommendations:
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                                          • Mike
                                            While there has been some proof so far that video can drive more hits, I am with Steve, unless he can afford to spend thousands of dollars with a full writing
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                                              While there has been some proof so far that video can drive more hits, I am
                                              with Steve, unless he can afford to spend thousands of dollars with a full
                                              writing staff and production crew and actors, it isn't worth him video
                                              taping himself reading a story. I think many of the audio podcasts aren't
                                              really setup for video or is conducive to video. I don't know about many of
                                              you, but my time for podcasts is at work. I subscribe to GeekBrief and
                                              WebbAlert, but I don't usually watch them. I play the video, ignore it, and
                                              listen to the audio. I know both Cali and Morgan are very cute, but it gets
                                              boring watching a single shot on them. On the other side, I don't "watch"
                                              Tiki Bar at work.

                                              While I respect Leo, he has one thing most of us don't, celebrity status. He
                                              does a TV show, a radio show, and because of these connections has gained
                                              access to many things most of us could only dream of having partial access
                                              to.

                                              On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:

                                              > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
                                              > > believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
                                              > > Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting,
                                              >
                                              > That's overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material
                                              > you're presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio
                                              > should also be on TV and in print. Maybe _some_ can benefit from
                                              > that, but not all.
                                              >
                                              > My podcasts narrate short stories. Our general model for delivery is
                                              > 'audiobook' style. A video podcast would do...what, for us, exactly?
                                              > It's theoretically possible that I could point a camera at myself or
                                              > someone else reading a story aloud, but how does that add value?
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > > [ . . . ] You have people that consume content
                                              > > differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
                                              > > read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
                                              > > three cylinders.
                                              >
                                              > My contrary advice would be "Get really good at one thing." And
                                              > there's less point in adding additional complexity to 'grow your
                                              > audience' until you've hit the saturation point where your audience
                                              > isn't growing much in the medium you've got. Most of us still have a
                                              > long way to go there.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > --
                                              > Have Fun,
                                              > Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                                              > ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                                              > http://www.escapepod.org
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                                            • Stephen Eley
                                              ... The main thing he has to enable this that most of podcasters don t is a staff. -- Have Fun, Steve Eley (sfeley@gmail.com) ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction
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                                                On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Mike <koldark@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > While I respect Leo, he has one thing most of us don't, celebrity status. He
                                                > does a TV show, a radio show, and because of these connections has gained
                                                > access to many things most of us could only dream of having partial access
                                                > to.

                                                The main thing he has to enable this that most of podcasters don't is a staff.


                                                --
                                                Have Fun,
                                                Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                                                ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                                                http://www.escapepod.org
                                              • Bob Crandall
                                                I disagree with the multiple format idea. You podcast because it is mobile, listeners can download to ipods etc. It s the old Do one thing and do it well. I
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                                                  I disagree with the multiple format idea. You podcast
                                                  because it is mobile, listeners can download to ipods
                                                  etc. It's the old " Do one thing and do it well." I
                                                  want to do 3 podcasts, but to blog and video all three
                                                  would be way to much. The content would suffer. My
                                                  first one , now on it's 13th episode is almost where i
                                                  want it. I hope to start my 2nd podcast by June.
                                                  So i am going to stick with one format and focus on
                                                  that format only.

                                                  Bob Crandall
                                                  http://www.atvstoday.net
                                                • Todd Cochrane
                                                  Bob This is just my opinion and should not be considered anything but my opinion. But Let me explain my logic behind the multi-pronged approach, and why it
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                                                    Bob

                                                    This is just my opinion and should not be considered anything but my
                                                    opinion. But Let me explain my logic behind the multi-pronged approach,
                                                    and why it has allowed my shows to grow every single month for 3 plus
                                                    years. Blogging everyday keeps my listeners engaged in "me" and my site
                                                    on a daily basis, plus putting out 2 shows a week guarantees that I am
                                                    on there scheduled play list 2 days a week, and in their news readers or
                                                    visiting the website 7 days a week. This builds engagment to amazing
                                                    levels. With the Video stuff I do on a regular basis as supplement aka a
                                                    couple of videos a month it pulls in new listeners as I distribute those
                                                    videos to 11 other websites I just don't put them on my website.

                                                    Case in point; In 2007 and 2008 Andy McCaskey (Slashdot Review) and I
                                                    covered CES which resulted in us distributing out about 100 videos each
                                                    year or a multiple of 1100 totals to 11 sites . In 2007 those videos
                                                    alone did over 13 million views across all of the 11 video sites. Many
                                                    of those video views were from vendors placing those videos on their
                                                    company home pages. 2008 is tracking the same. While I know every
                                                    podcaster will not have a convention that surrounds their topic area, if
                                                    you do you can get extra bang for the buck by going getting a tax write
                                                    off and covering the show.

                                                    When Google indexes my site it has over 7000 pages of materials to
                                                    index. Intermixed in their are 356 audio podcast and 200+ Video Podcast,
                                                    and while I understand you are just getting started I realized three
                                                    years ago that the combination of Blogging, Podcasting and then Video
                                                    starting in 2007 was bringing me new listeners from the combined effort.
                                                    What was the net effect.

                                                    I was able to quit my day job in October 2007, my website, podcast and
                                                    video cast are what put meat on the table. I do not draw a salary from
                                                    RawVoice every penny we earn their goes back into the company. Others
                                                    using this strategy that I have consulted with make full time wages on a
                                                    part time basis. So I know it works, the key though remains the topic
                                                    you are covering it will be a factor in whether this works or not. Time
                                                    is a big issue and always has been so I understand the time commitment
                                                    to do this.

                                                    Even if you are not trying to quit your day job with blogging about your
                                                    topic each day, you gain Google authority which will help people find
                                                    you when they are searching for your show topic. While not every
                                                    podcaster has a topic he can blog everyday the multi-pronged approach
                                                    has it's advantages. My Google traffic to my site each day is 10 times
                                                    greater than the daily repeat visitors from that traffic I pick up
                                                    repeat readers, which turn into listeners. So think about where you want
                                                    your show to be in 3 years. A blog post each day will result in over
                                                    1000 post on your show topic which will pay back dividends of a very
                                                    large scales.

                                                    Again these are my opinions and take them for what their worth their is
                                                    no single way to do this all I can share is what has worked for me.

                                                    Todd...


                                                    Bob Crandall wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > I disagree with the multiple format idea. You podcast
                                                    > because it is mobile, listeners can download to ipods
                                                    > etc. It's the old " Do one thing and do it well." I
                                                    > want to do 3 podcasts, but to blog and video all three
                                                    > would be way to much. The content would suffer. My
                                                    > first one , now on it's 13th episode is almost where i
                                                    > want it. I hope to start my 2nd podcast by June.
                                                    > So i am going to stick with one format and focus on
                                                    > that format only.
                                                    >
                                                    > Bob Crandall
                                                    > http://www.atvstoday.net <http://www.atvstoday.net>
                                                    >
                                                    >


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                                                  • Bob Crandall
                                                    Todd Thanks for your in depth insight. You brought up some points I hadn t considered. I m always open to ideas and suggestions. By the way I live in Las
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                                                      Todd
                                                      Thanks for your in depth insight. You brought up some
                                                      points I hadn't considered. I'm always open to ideas
                                                      and suggestions. By the way I live in Las Vegas, let
                                                      me know the next time you're in town, maybe we can get
                                                      together.

                                                      Bob Crandall
                                                      http://www.atvstoday.net
                                                    • Rob Greenlee-WebTalkGuys
                                                      Dwight, You are correct that submission approvals have been slow. I do feel awful about it, but I am pushing as hard as I can to get everything done here that
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                                                        Dwight,

                                                        You are correct that submission approvals have been slow. I do feel awful
                                                        about it, but I am pushing as hard as I can to get everything done here that
                                                        needs to be done. I am only filtering submissions based on Microsoft's
                                                        public content policy across the whole company, we only exclude based on
                                                        lack of album art and whether content is unlawful and or pornographic in
                                                        nature. I do regularly feel pressure from our user community to filter even
                                                        more as many have families and want us to exclude more types of explicit
                                                        language and or any sexually suggestive content. I do resist most of the
                                                        pressure.

                                                        Please be patient with the submission process, as I know many of you are and
                                                        I thank you. We have some very good upgrades coming to the Zune Podcast
                                                        Marketplace and am getting a couple of current podcasters from the community
                                                        on my team ramped up in helping me with the submission backlog - which is in
                                                        the many 10's of thousands still. Many things need to be pulled together
                                                        here before big changes happen, but rest assured it is happening as fast as
                                                        it can from my end. Many others on the Zune team are contributing to
                                                        podcast support, along with many other priorities.

                                                        I am available by email at (rob at zune.net) if you have any questions or
                                                        concerns about your podcast submission and I will do my best to address each
                                                        one. I do this every day already and am trying to make it to Ad:Tech in a
                                                        week or so and Podcamp NY.

                                                        Thanks,
                                                        Rob Greenlee
                                                        Zune Podcast Programming Lead
                                                        http://www.zune.net
                                                        _____

                                                        From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:podcasters@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                        Behalf Of Geek -
                                                        Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:28 AM
                                                        To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                                                        Subject: Re: [podcasters] Re: Msg to Rob Greenlee regarding submissions to
                                                        Zune Marketplace



                                                        Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                                        happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                                        info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                                        doesn't work there anymore.

                                                        On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@gmail.
                                                        <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com> com> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission
                                                        before
                                                        > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                                                        > behind they just gave up.
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        >
                                                        > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@gmail.
                                                        <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com> com> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                                        > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                                                        > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                                                        > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                                                        > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                                                        > > of the community, eh?
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > --
                                                        > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                                        > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                                        > >
                                                        > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthing
                                                        <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/> sazeroth.com/
                                                        > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeks <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                                        blog.com/
                                                        > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwa
                                                        <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/> llbridge.com/Photo/
                                                        > >
                                                        > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                                        > > <writerpatrick@ <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net> netzero.net> wrote:
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogro <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                        ups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                                                        > > > wrote:
                                                        > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                                                        > > > in Zune
                                                        > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                                                        > > > it just
                                                        > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                                                        > > > to subscribe
                                                        > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                                                        > > > I'd pass
                                                        > > > > > that on fyi...
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                                                        > > > from
                                                        > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                                                        > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                                        > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                                                        > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                                                        > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                                        > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                                                        > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                                                        > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                                        > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                                                        > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                                        > > > management.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                                                        > > > for listings.
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                                                        > http://groups.
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                                                        ec=recg>
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                                                        >
                                                        > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                                        > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
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                                                        > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
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                                                        aftr1&sec=recg>
                                                        yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                                        > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is made
                                                        to
                                                        > > help job seekers appearing f...
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                                                        > > c54x (337 common members)
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > http://groups.
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                                                        sec=recg>
                                                        yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                                        >
                                                        > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                                        > > discussion group is to facilitate...
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                                                        > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
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                                                        pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>
                                                        yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=
                                                        aftr3&sec=recg
                                                        >
                                                        > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are
                                                        interested
                                                        > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
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                                                        > > code-comp (293 common members)
                                                        > >
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                                                        ftr4&sec=recg>
                                                        yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                                        >
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                                                        > group
                                                        > > is to facilitate the exchan...
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                                                        > >
                                                        > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
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                                                        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                                        > >
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