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  • shepdave2003
    So I was following the discussion about Zune, i.e., Todd Cochrane s problem with audio and video in the feeds, and it occurred to me to wonder: is my podcast
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      So I was following the discussion about Zune, i.e., Todd Cochrane's
      problem with audio and video in the feeds, and it occurred to me to
      wonder: is my podcast in the Zune directory?

      So I went to the Zune blog, saw Rob Greenlee's post about how to
      submit to Zune, and then tried to download the Zune software.

      As far as I can tell, it's Windows only. Am I wrong? So if I'm a
      podcaster who uses the Macintosh platform, not only can I not install
      the Zune software on my machine, I can't check to see whether my show
      works with Zune. I can't tell if I'm in the Zune Marketplace
      directory. Indeed, if I'm not there, I can't even submit it the
      "normal" way.

      Am I wrong here? Did I miss the link at the Zune website to a
      Mac-friendly version of the software? Or is Microsoft once again
      trying to pretend that Mac computers don't exist?

      Dave Shepherd

      --
      The Word Nerds, a podcast about language
      http://thewordnerds.org
    • James Wadsworth
      Why would they put it out for Macs? Who on a Mac would use it over iTunes? But as far as I know, the Zune Marketplace still hasn t added my podcast in, and I
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        Why would they put it out for Macs? Who on a Mac would use it over iTunes?

        But as far as I know, the Zune Marketplace still hasn't added my podcast in, and I submitted the day after it came out...

        Thanks,
        ~James Wadsworth
        http://radio.laml.org/


        To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
        From: shepdave@...
        Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:42:12 +0000
        Subject: [podcasters] Submissions to Zune Marketplace




















        So I was following the discussion about Zune, i.e., Todd Cochrane's

        problem with audio and video in the feeds, and it occurred to me to

        wonder: is my podcast in the Zune directory?



        So I went to the Zune blog, saw Rob Greenlee's post about how to

        submit to Zune, and then tried to download the Zune software.



        As far as I can tell, it's Windows only. Am I wrong? So if I'm a

        podcaster who uses the Macintosh platform, not only can I not install

        the Zune software on my machine, I can't check to see whether my show

        works with Zune. I can't tell if I'm in the Zune Marketplace

        directory. Indeed, if I'm not there, I can't even submit it the

        "normal" way.



        Am I wrong here? Did I miss the link at the Zune website to a

        Mac-friendly version of the software? Or is Microsoft once again

        trying to pretend that Mac computers don't exist?



        Dave Shepherd



        --

        The Word Nerds, a podcast about language

        http://thewordnerds.org
























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      • Geek -
        I have tried to submit mine repeatedly, even had assurances from Rob it would be submitted the following day(over a month ago) and still I only see the
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          I have tried to submit mine repeatedly, even had assurances from Rob
          it would be submitted the following day(over a month ago) and still I
          only see the `leading` WoW podcasts. I guess only the popular get
          priority.

          On Feb 1, 2008 9:05 AM, James Wadsworth <goleafsgo_james@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Why would they put it out for Macs? Who on a Mac would use it over iTunes?
          >
          > But as far as I know, the Zune Marketplace still hasn't added my podcast
          > in, and I submitted the day after it came out...
          >
          > Thanks,
          > ~James Wadsworth
          > http://radio.laml.org/
          >
          > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
          > From: shepdave@...
          > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:42:12 +0000
          > Subject: [podcasters] Submissions to Zune Marketplace
          >
          >
          > So I was following the discussion about Zune, i.e., Todd Cochrane's
          >
          > problem with audio and video in the feeds, and it occurred to me to
          >
          > wonder: is my podcast in the Zune directory?
          >
          > So I went to the Zune blog, saw Rob Greenlee's post about how to
          >
          > submit to Zune, and then tried to download the Zune software.
          >
          > As far as I can tell, it's Windows only. Am I wrong? So if I'm a
          >
          > podcaster who uses the Macintosh platform, not only can I not install
          >
          > the Zune software on my machine, I can't check to see whether my show
          >
          > works with Zune. I can't tell if I'm in the Zune Marketplace
          >
          > directory. Indeed, if I'm not there, I can't even submit it the
          >
          > "normal" way.
          >
          > Am I wrong here? Did I miss the link at the Zune website to a
          >
          > Mac-friendly version of the software? Or is Microsoft once again
          >
          > trying to pretend that Mac computers don't exist?
          >
          > Dave Shepherd
          >
          > --
          >
          > The Word Nerds, a podcast about language
          >
          > http://thewordnerds.org
          >
          > __________________________________________________________
          > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
          > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008
          >
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          >
          >



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          Blogger, Photographer, Geek

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        • Mike
          I as well submitted mine within days of it s release. This is ridiculous that it is taking this long. It is great that some are having huge success. I have yet
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            I as well submitted mine within days of it's release. This is ridiculous
            that it is taking this long. It is great that some are having huge success.
            I have yet to see one hit.

            On Feb 1, 2008 1:54 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...> wrote:

            > I have tried to submit mine repeatedly, even had assurances from Rob
            > it would be submitted the following day(over a month ago) and still I
            > only see the `leading` WoW podcasts. I guess only the popular get
            > priority.
            >
            > On Feb 1, 2008 9:05 AM, James Wadsworth <goleafsgo_james@...>
            > wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Why would they put it out for Macs? Who on a Mac would use it over
            > iTunes?
            > >
            > > But as far as I know, the Zune Marketplace still hasn't added my
            > podcast
            > > in, and I submitted the day after it came out...
            > >
            > > Thanks,
            > > ~James Wadsworth
            > > http://radio.laml.org/
            > >
            > > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
            > > From: shepdave@...
            > > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:42:12 +0000
            > > Subject: [podcasters] Submissions to Zune Marketplace
            > >
            > >
            > > So I was following the discussion about Zune, i.e., Todd Cochrane's
            > >
            > > problem with audio and video in the feeds, and it occurred to me to
            > >
            > > wonder: is my podcast in the Zune directory?
            > >
            > > So I went to the Zune blog, saw Rob Greenlee's post about how to
            > >
            > > submit to Zune, and then tried to download the Zune software.
            > >
            > > As far as I can tell, it's Windows only. Am I wrong? So if I'm a
            > >
            > > podcaster who uses the Macintosh platform, not only can I not install
            > >
            > > the Zune software on my machine, I can't check to see whether my show
            > >
            > > works with Zune. I can't tell if I'm in the Zune Marketplace
            > >
            > > directory. Indeed, if I'm not there, I can't even submit it the
            > >
            > > "normal" way.
            > >
            > > Am I wrong here? Did I miss the link at the Zune website to a
            > >
            > > Mac-friendly version of the software? Or is Microsoft once again
            > >
            > > trying to pretend that Mac computers don't exist?
            > >
            > > Dave Shepherd
            > >
            > > --
            > >
            > > The Word Nerds, a podcast about language
            > >
            > > http://thewordnerds.org
            > >
            > > __________________________________________________________
            > > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
            > >
            > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008
            > >
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            > >
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            > --
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            > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
            >
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          • Brains Matter
            I had the same problem - I m a mac user, so the software was useless to me - I tried to submit it via a Windows machine (and had huge problems with it), but I
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              I had the same problem - I'm a mac user, so the software was useless
              to me - I tried to submit it via a Windows machine (and had huge
              problems with it), but I still have no idea if it's on there or not.
              (I submitted the day after it came out as well)
              --
              Brains Matter Podcast
              Melbourne, Australia
              email: mail@...
              podcast feed: iTunes or http://feeds.feedburner.com/BrainsMatter
              web: http://www.brainsmatter.com/






              On 02/02/2008, at 2:05 AM, James Wadsworth wrote:

              > Why would they put it out for Macs? Who on a Mac would use it over
              > iTunes?
              >
              > But as far as I know, the Zune Marketplace still hasn't added my
              > podcast in, and I submitted the day after it came out...
              >
              > Thanks,
              > ~James Wadsworth
              > http://radio.laml.org/
              >
              > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
              > From: shepdave@...
              > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:42:12 +0000
              > Subject: [podcasters] Submissions to Zune Marketplace
              >
              > So I was following the discussion about Zune, i.e., Todd Cochrane's
              >
              > problem with audio and video in the feeds, and it occurred to me to
              >
              > wonder: is my podcast in the Zune directory?
              >
              > So I went to the Zune blog, saw Rob Greenlee's post about how to
              >
              > submit to Zune, and then tried to download the Zune software.
              >
              > As far as I can tell, it's Windows only. Am I wrong? So if I'm a
              >
              > podcaster who uses the Macintosh platform, not only can I not install
              >
              > the Zune software on my machine, I can't check to see whether my show
              >
              > works with Zune. I can't tell if I'm in the Zune Marketplace
              >
              > directory. Indeed, if I'm not there, I can't even submit it the
              >
              > "normal" way.
              >
              > Am I wrong here? Did I miss the link at the Zune website to a
              >
              > Mac-friendly version of the software? Or is Microsoft once again
              >
              > trying to pretend that Mac computers don't exist?
              >
              > Dave Shepherd
              >
              > --
              >
              > The Word Nerds, a podcast about language
              >
              > http://thewordnerds.org
              >
              > __________________________________________________________
              > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
              > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
              >
              >



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            • nycedeli
              Rob, Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has been accepted? Is
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                Rob,
                Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
                non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
                been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?

                Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
                have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
                its podcast listings.

                Thanks.
              • writerpatrick
                ... Since we haven t had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn t work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With the tiny trickle
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                  --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "nycedeli" <lavenividivici@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > Rob,
                  > Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
                  > non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
                  > been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?
                  >
                  > Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
                  > have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
                  > its podcast listings.
                  >
                  > Thanks.
                  >

                  Since we haven't had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn't
                  work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With
                  the tiny trickle of podcasts being added, it's appearent they just
                  don't care about podcasters.

                  You might want to try postal mailing. The only address I came up with
                  was for Microsoft but you could try addressing it to the Zune
                  department. It probably has just a good a chance as posting anything.
                • patriotworld
                  I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just hasn t shown
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                    I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune
                    Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just
                    hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able to subscribe
                    through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured I'd pass
                    that on fyi...

                    On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:42 AM, writerpatrick <writerpatrick@...>
                    wrote:

                    > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com <podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>,
                    > "nycedeli" <lavenividivici@...>
                    > wrote:
                    >
                    > >
                    > > Rob,
                    > > Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
                    > > non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
                    > > been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?
                    > >
                    > > Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
                    > > have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
                    > > its podcast listings.
                    > >
                    > > Thanks.
                    > >
                    >
                    > Since we haven't had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn't
                    > work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With
                    > the tiny trickle of podcasts being added, it's appearent they just
                    > don't care about podcasters.
                    >
                    > You might want to try postal mailing. The only address I came up with
                    > was for Microsoft but you could try addressing it to the Zune
                    > department. It probably has just a good a chance as posting anything.
                    >
                    >
                    >



                    --
                    Mrs. B (Karen)

                    http://karenjcardoza.com
                    (for links to Mrs. B's Patriot World, Mrs. B's Patriot World Podcast,
                    Patriots Training Camp Reports, Muse with Me Podcast, & The 25th Hour, )


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                  • Stephen Eley
                    ... You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace from your own Web site. The URL format is:
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                      On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...> wrote:
                      > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune
                      > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just
                      > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able to subscribe
                      > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured I'd pass
                      > that on fyi...

                      You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace from
                      your own Web site. The URL format is:

                      zune://subscribe/?[podcast_title]=[podcast_url]

                      For example, the one-click subscription I set up on listener request
                      for our upcoming fantasy podcast is:
                      zune://subscribe/?PodCastle=http://feeds.feedburner.com/PodCastle_Main

                      Rob Walch also has a convenient chicklet on his site for a link image:
                      http://podcast411.com/07img/1click_Zune.gif

                      I don't have any inside information on this, BTW. I found it by
                      Googling "Zune one-click." I don't even have a machine running
                      Windows in my house, so I couldn't confirm for myself whether this
                      works, but listeners tell me it does.



                      --
                      Have Fun,
                      Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                      ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                      http://www.escapepod.org
                    • Todd Cochrane
                      Its relative easy to put the link on your webpage, this is the format. zune://subscribe/?Geek+News+Central=http://www.geeknewscentral.com/podcast.xml ...
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                        Its relative easy to put the link on your webpage, this is the format.

                        zune://subscribe/?Geek+News+Central=http://www.geeknewscentral.com/podcast.xml

                        patriotworld wrote:
                        >
                        > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune
                        > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just
                        > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able to
                        > subscribe
                        > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured I'd pass
                        > that on fyi...
                        >
                        > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:42 AM, writerpatrick
                        > <writerpatrick@... <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                        > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com> <podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>,
                        > > "nycedeli" <lavenividivici@...>
                        > > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Rob,
                        > > > Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
                        > > > non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
                        > > > been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?
                        > > >
                        > > > Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
                        > > > have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
                        > > > its podcast listings.
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks.
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > Since we haven't had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn't
                        > > work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With
                        > > the tiny trickle of podcasts being added, it's appearent they just
                        > > don't care about podcasters.
                        > >
                        > > You might want to try postal mailing. The only address I came up with
                        > > was for Microsoft but you could try addressing it to the Zune
                        > > department. It probably has just a good a chance as posting anything.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                        > --
                        > Mrs. B (Karen)
                        >
                        > http://karenjcardoza.com <http://karenjcardoza.com>
                        > (for links to Mrs. B's Patriot World, Mrs. B's Patriot World Podcast,
                        > Patriots Training Camp Reports, Muse with Me Podcast, & The 25th Hour, )
                        >
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                        >
                        >


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                      • writerpatrick
                        ... in Zune ... it just ... to subscribe ... I d pass ... from ... I ve got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I Podcast Pickle added on
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                          --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                          wrote:
                          > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                          in Zune
                          > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                          it just
                          > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                          to subscribe
                          > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                          I'd pass
                          > > that on fyi...
                          >
                          > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                          from
                          > your own Web site. The URL format is:

                          I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                          Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                          Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                          or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                          if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                          without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                          but it makes it all the more difficult.

                          It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                          and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                          trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                          they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                          management.

                          I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                          for listings.
                        • Geek -
                          I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next day when I talked to him
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                            I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                            checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                            day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                            been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                            pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                            of the community, eh?


                            --
                            Dwight Wallbridge,
                            Blogger, Photographer, Geek

                            All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                            The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                            Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/

                            On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                            <writerpatrick@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                            > wrote:
                            > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                            > in Zune
                            > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                            > it just
                            > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                            > to subscribe
                            > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                            > I'd pass
                            > > > that on fyi...
                            > >
                            > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                            > from
                            > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                            >
                            > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                            > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                            > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                            > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                            > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                            > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                            > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                            >
                            > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                            > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                            > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                            > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                            > management.
                            >
                            > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                            > for listings.
                            >
                          • Mike
                            I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission before allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so behind
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                              I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission before
                              allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                              behind they just gave up.

                              On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...> wrote:

                              > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                              > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                              > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                              > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                              > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                              > of the community, eh?
                              >
                              >
                              > --
                              > Dwight Wallbridge,
                              > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                              >
                              > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                              > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                              > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                              >
                              > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                              > <writerpatrick@...> wrote:
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                              > > wrote:
                              > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                              > > in Zune
                              > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                              > > it just
                              > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                              > > to subscribe
                              > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                              > > I'd pass
                              > > > > that on fyi...
                              > > >
                              > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                              > > from
                              > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                              > >
                              > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                              > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                              > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                              > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                              > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                              > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                              > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                              > >
                              > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                              > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                              > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                              > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                              > > management.
                              > >
                              > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                              > > for listings.
                              > >
                              >
                              > ========================================================================
                              > Groups related to podcasters
                              > ========================================================================
                              >
                              > c6x (401 common members)
                              >
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                              > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                              > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                              >
                              > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                              >
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                              > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is made to
                              > help job seekers appearing f...
                              >
                              > c54x (337 common members)
                              >
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                              > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                              > discussion group is to facilitate...
                              >
                              > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                              >
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                              > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are interested
                              > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                              >
                              > code-comp (293 common members)
                              >
                              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                              > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this group
                              > is to facilitate the exchan...
                              >
                              >
                              > ------------------------------------
                              >
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                            • Ramble Redhead
                              I have to agree the process over there is very screwy - I had heard about it from a fellow podcaster and at the time I was only using my mac and couldn t even
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                                I have to agree the process over there is very screwy - I had heard
                                about it from a fellow podcaster and at the time I was only using my
                                mac and couldn't even upload the show to the site. This other
                                podcaster uploaded his and my show at the same time - my show is up
                                and his is not!

                                Hope they get it resolved soon!

                                On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...> wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission before
                                > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                                > behind they just gave up.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                                > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                                > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                                > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                                > > of the community, eh?
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --
                                > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                > >
                                > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                > >
                                > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                > > <writerpatrick@...> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                                > > > wrote:
                                > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                                > > > in Zune
                                > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                                > > > it just
                                > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                                > > > to subscribe
                                > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                                > > > I'd pass
                                > > > > > that on fyi...
                                > > > >
                                > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                                > > > from
                                > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                > > >
                                > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                                > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                                > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                                > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                                > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                > > >
                                > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                                > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                                > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                > > > management.
                                > > >
                                > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                                > > > for listings.
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > ========================================================================
                                > > Groups related to podcasters
                                > > ========================================================================
                                > >
                                > > c6x (401 common members)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                                >
                                > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                                > >
                                > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                >
                                > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is made to
                                > > help job seekers appearing f...
                                > >
                                > > c54x (337 common members)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                >
                                > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                                > >
                                > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                >
                                > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are interested
                                > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                                > >
                                > > code-comp (293 common members)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                >
                                > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                > group
                                > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ------------------------------------
                                > >
                                > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                > >
                                > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                                > >
                                > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                >
                                > --
                                > Mike Wills
                                >
                                > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                                >
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                                >
                                >



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                              • Geek -
                                Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that info. I see Rob
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                                  Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                  happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                  info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                  doesn't work there anymore.

                                  On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission before
                                  > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                                  > behind they just gave up.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                  > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                                  > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                                  > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                                  > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                                  > > of the community, eh?
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --
                                  > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                  > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                  > >
                                  > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                  > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                  > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                  > >
                                  > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                  > > <writerpatrick@...> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                                  > > > wrote:
                                  > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                                  > > > in Zune
                                  > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                                  > > > it just
                                  > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                                  > > > to subscribe
                                  > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                                  > > > I'd pass
                                  > > > > > that on fyi...
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                                  > > > from
                                  > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                                  > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                  > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                                  > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                                  > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                  > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                                  > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                                  > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                  > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                                  > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                  > > > management.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                                  > > > for listings.
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ========================================================================
                                  > > Groups related to podcasters
                                  > > ========================================================================
                                  > >
                                  > > c6x (401 common members)
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                                  >
                                  > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                  > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                                  > >
                                  > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                  > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is made to
                                  > > help job seekers appearing f...
                                  > >
                                  > > c54x (337 common members)
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                  >
                                  > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                  > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                                  > >
                                  > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                  >
                                  > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are interested
                                  > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                                  > >
                                  > > code-comp (293 common members)
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                  >
                                  > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                  > group
                                  > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ------------------------------------
                                  > >
                                  > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                  > >
                                  > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                                  > >
                                  > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > --
                                  > Mike Wills
                                  >
                                  > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  >
                                  >



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                                • Les Zaldor
                                  Recently there was an episode of The Podcasting Underground which had an interview with Rob, he stated that they go through quite a review process. I d assume
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                                    Recently there was an episode of The Podcasting Underground which had an
                                    interview with Rob, he stated that they go through quite a review process.
                                    I'd assume that he's still working for Microsoft, but just very busy?

                                    http://www.podcastingunderground.com/insider-look-into-podcasting-and-the-zune




                                    On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...> wrote:

                                    > Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                    > happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                    > info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                    > doesn't work there anymore.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...<koldark%40gmail.com>>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission
                                    > before
                                    > > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                                    > > behind they just gave up.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...<cdngeek%40gmail.com>>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                    > > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                                    > > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                                    > > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                                    > > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                                    > > > of the community, eh?
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --
                                    > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                    > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                    > > >
                                    > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                    > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                    > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                    > > >
                                    > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                    > > > <writerpatrick@... <writerpatrick%40netzero.net>> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com <podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>,
                                    > "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                                    > > > > wrote:
                                    > > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                                    > > > > in Zune
                                    > > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                                    > > > > it just
                                    > > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                                    > > > > to subscribe
                                    > > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                                    > > > > I'd pass
                                    > > > > > > that on fyi...
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                                    > > > > from
                                    > > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                                    > > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                    > > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond
                                    > Zune
                                    > > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                                    > > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                    > > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                                    > > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking
                                    > submissions
                                    > > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                    > > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                                    > > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                    > > > > management.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                                    > > > > for listings.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > ========================================================================
                                    > > > Groups related to podcasters
                                    > > >
                                    > ========================================================================
                                    > > >
                                    > > > c6x (401 common members)
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                                    > >
                                    > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                    > > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                                    > > >
                                    > > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                    > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is made
                                    > to
                                    > > > help job seekers appearing f...
                                    > > >
                                    > > > c54x (337 common members)
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                    > >
                                    > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                    > > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                    > >
                                    > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are
                                    > interested
                                    > > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                                    > > >
                                    > > > code-comp (293 common members)
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                    > >
                                    > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                    > > group
                                    > > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ------------------------------------
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                    > > >
                                    > > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                    > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > > --
                                    > > Mike Wills
                                    > >
                                    > > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > --
                                    > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                    > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                    >
                                    > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                    > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                    > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                    >
                                    >



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                                  • Todd Cochrane
                                    Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a huge increase in
                                    Message 17 of 29 , Mar 19, 2008
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                                      Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows
                                      would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a huge
                                      increase in listners from those that are on the Zune Marketplace and
                                      those that have done the simple thing of putting the subscribe icon on
                                      their site. You do not have to be in the Zune Marketplace to have your
                                      content subscribed to. I show that most of my new zune listeners have
                                      come from people subscribing either off blubrry.com or my own site.

                                      The new listener numbers from Zune is pretty impressive, audience market
                                      share is growing with Zune capturing close to 20% of many shows
                                      audiences these are new listeners not cross-overs. Say what you will
                                      they have brought an enormous number of new listeners to the space.

                                      But here are some points you should consider. Make Sure your RSS feed is
                                      Valid at all times I can almost bet a invalid RSS feed will make your
                                      show less likely to be added to the marketplace. Make sure your RSS
                                      feeds meta data is complete, the number of people that have jacked up
                                      RSS feeds is beyond belief. http://www.feedvalidator.org

                                      My opinion only and Not sure if this matters for the Zune folks but take
                                      sometime and make sure your website is presentable a shitty looking
                                      website or one that does not have basic data like a contact email, rss
                                      icon, zune icon etc gives the appearance you have not done your
                                      homework. More podcasters have lost advertising deals working with us
                                      simply because the vendor looked at the persons website and said no
                                      thanks they did not even listen to the content.

                                      Another thing is if you have questions why not email rob directly..

                                      Todd...



                                      Geek - wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                      > happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                      > info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                      > doesn't work there anymore.
                                      >
                                      > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...
                                      > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each
                                      > submission before
                                      > > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                                      > > behind they just gave up.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...
                                      > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                      > > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                                      > > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                                      > > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                                      > > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                                      > > > of the community, eh?
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --
                                      > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                      > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                      > > >
                                      > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                      > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                      > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                      > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                      > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography
                                      > http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                      > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                      > > >
                                      > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                      > > > <writerpatrick@... <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
                                      > wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                                      > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                                      > > > > wrote:
                                      > > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                                      > > > > in Zune
                                      > > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                                      > > > > it just
                                      > > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                                      > > > > to subscribe
                                      > > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                                      > > > > I'd pass
                                      > > > > > > that on fyi...
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                                      > > > > from
                                      > > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                                      > > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                      > > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond
                                      > Zune
                                      > > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                                      > > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                      > > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                                      > > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking
                                      > submissions
                                      > > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                      > > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                                      > > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                      > > > > management.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                                      > > > > for listings.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > ========================================================================
                                      > > > Groups related to podcasters
                                      > > >
                                      > ========================================================================
                                      > > >
                                      > > > c6x (401 common members)
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg>
                                      > >
                                      > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                      > > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                                      > > >
                                      > > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg>
                                      > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is
                                      > made to
                                      > > > help job seekers appearing f...
                                      > > >
                                      > > > c54x (337 common members)
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg>
                                      > >
                                      > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                      > > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>
                                      > >
                                      > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are
                                      > interested
                                      > > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                                      > > >
                                      > > > code-comp (293 common members)
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                      > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg>
                                      > >
                                      > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                      > > group
                                      > > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ------------------------------------
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                      > > >
                                      > > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                      > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --
                                      > > Mike Wills
                                      > >
                                      > > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                                      > <http://thenextgenerationofradio.com>
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      > --
                                      > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                      > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                      >
                                      > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                      > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                      > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                      > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                      > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                      > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                      >
                                      >


                                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    • Geek -
                                      Todd, I agree with almost all of your points. A person s website should have no impact on inclusion in a directory. There is no connection at all between the
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                                        Todd,

                                        I agree with almost all of your points. A person's website should have
                                        no impact on inclusion in a directory. There is no connection at all
                                        between the two. For podcasters not overly eager for ads wouldn't see
                                        this as a major sticking point. In fact I find my website gets
                                        relatively little traffic, most of my traffic coming from aggregators
                                        and podcatchers, and I spent a lot of time getting my look just right
                                        and keeping it that way. As well, I don't think, with the resources at
                                        Microsoft, that it would be too much to ask that if they reject a
                                        submission, they at least say why. Even a script generated email would
                                        be fine as long as it said what the person can do to rectify the
                                        situation for resubmission. Lastly, I have emailed Rob 4 times since
                                        his 'next work day' promise and received not a single reply. 'Email
                                        him' only works if the person bothers to respond.

                                        On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows
                                        > would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a huge
                                        > increase in listners from those that are on the Zune Marketplace and
                                        > those that have done the simple thing of putting the subscribe icon on
                                        > their site. You do not have to be in the Zune Marketplace to have your
                                        > content subscribed to. I show that most of my new zune listeners have
                                        > come from people subscribing either off blubrry.com or my own site.
                                        >
                                        > The new listener numbers from Zune is pretty impressive, audience market
                                        > share is growing with Zune capturing close to 20% of many shows
                                        > audiences these are new listeners not cross-overs. Say what you will
                                        > they have brought an enormous number of new listeners to the space.
                                        >
                                        > But here are some points you should consider. Make Sure your RSS feed is
                                        > Valid at all times I can almost bet a invalid RSS feed will make your
                                        > show less likely to be added to the marketplace. Make sure your RSS
                                        > feeds meta data is complete, the number of people that have jacked up
                                        > RSS feeds is beyond belief. http://www.feedvalidator.org
                                        >
                                        > My opinion only and Not sure if this matters for the Zune folks but take
                                        > sometime and make sure your website is presentable a shitty looking
                                        > website or one that does not have basic data like a contact email, rss
                                        > icon, zune icon etc gives the appearance you have not done your
                                        > homework. More podcasters have lost advertising deals working with us
                                        > simply because the vendor looked at the persons website and said no
                                        > thanks they did not even listen to the content.
                                        >
                                        > Another thing is if you have questions why not email rob directly..
                                        >
                                        > Todd...
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Geek - wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                        > > happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                        > > info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                        > > doesn't work there anymore.
                                        > >
                                        > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...
                                        > > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each
                                        > > submission before
                                        > > > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are
                                        > so
                                        > > > behind they just gave up.
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...
                                        > > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                        > > > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                                        > > > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                                        > > > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                                        > > > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a
                                        > part
                                        > > > > of the community, eh?
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --
                                        > > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                        > > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                        > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                        > > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                        > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                        > > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography
                                        > > http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                        > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                        > > > > <writerpatrick@... <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
                                        > > wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                                        >
                                        > > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                                        > > > > > wrote:
                                        > > > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my
                                        > podcast
                                        > > > > > in Zune
                                        > > > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                                        > > > > > it just
                                        > > > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                                        > > > > > to subscribe
                                        > > > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                                        > > > > > I'd pass
                                        > > > > > > > that on fyi...
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                                        > > > > > from
                                        > > > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                                        > > > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                        > > > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond
                                        > > Zune
                                        > > > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                                        > > > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                        > > > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do
                                        > business,
                                        > > > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking
                                        > > submissions
                                        > > > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                        > > > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is
                                        > after
                                        > > > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                        > > > > > management.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start
                                        > charging
                                        > > > > > for listings.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > ========================================================================
                                        > > > > Groups related to podcasters
                                        > > > >
                                        > > ========================================================================
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > c6x (401 common members)
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg
                                        > >
                                        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c6x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr0&sec=recg>
                                        > > >
                                        > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                        > > > > egroup is to facilitate the excha...
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > aps-chetna (363 common members)
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg
                                        > >
                                        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aps-chetna?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr1&sec=recg>
                                        > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: This group is
                                        > > made to
                                        > > > > help job seekers appearing f...
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > c54x (337 common members)
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg
                                        > >
                                        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg>
                                        > > >
                                        > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                        > > > > discussion group is to facilitate...
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Information_Systems_Forum (315 common members)
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg
                                        > >
                                        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>
                                        > > >
                                        > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: If you are
                                        > > interested
                                        > > > > in how nonprofit organizatio...
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > code-comp (293 common members)
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                        > >
                                        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg>
                                        > > >
                                        > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal of this
                                        > > > group
                                        > > > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > ------------------------------------
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                        > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --
                                        > > > Mike Wills
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                                        > > <http://thenextgenerationofradio.com>
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > --
                                        > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                        > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                        > >
                                        > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                        > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                        > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                        > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                        > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                        > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                        >
                                        >



                                        --
                                        Dwight Wallbridge,
                                        Blogger, Photographer, Geek

                                        All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                        The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                        Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                      • Todd Cochrane
                                        Again I don t know if the website appearance has anything to do with it but it was a general suggestion. I do think that ones website has a huge impact on a
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                                          Again I don't know if the website appearance has anything to do with it
                                          but it was a general suggestion. I do think that ones website has a huge
                                          impact on a show. I never subscribe to a show without going to their
                                          website first looking at the content they are publishing and see if they
                                          can be considered an authority in the topic they are covering.

                                          As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
                                          believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
                                          Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting, If you Blogging you
                                          need to Podcasting and Videocasting. If your Videocasting you need to be
                                          blogging and podcasting. Sites that are only doing one of the above are
                                          at risk of being marginalized. You have people that consume content
                                          differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
                                          read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
                                          three cylinders.

                                          Todd..

                                          Geek - wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Todd,
                                          >
                                          > I agree with almost all of your points. A person's website should have
                                          > no impact on inclusion in a directory. There is no connection at all
                                          > between the two. For podcasters not overly eager for ads wouldn't see
                                          > this as a major sticking point. In fact I find my website gets
                                          > relatively little traffic, most of my traffic coming from aggregators
                                          > and podcatchers, and I spent a lot of time getting my look just right
                                          > and keeping it that way. As well, I don't think, with the resources at
                                          > Microsoft, that it would be too much to ask that if they reject a
                                          > submission, they at least say why. Even a script generated email would
                                          > be fine as long as it said what the person can do to rectify the
                                          > situation for resubmission. Lastly, I have emailed Rob 4 times since
                                          > his 'next work day' promise and received not a single reply. 'Email
                                          > him' only works if the person bothers to respond.
                                          >
                                          > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...
                                          > <mailto:ceo%40rawvoice.com>> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows
                                          > > would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a huge
                                          > > increase in listners from those that are on the Zune Marketplace and
                                          > > those that have done the simple thing of putting the subscribe icon on
                                          > > their site. You do not have to be in the Zune Marketplace to have your
                                          > > content subscribed to. I show that most of my new zune listeners have
                                          > > come from people subscribing either off blubrry.com or my own site.
                                          > >
                                          > > The new listener numbers from Zune is pretty impressive, audience market
                                          > > share is growing with Zune capturing close to 20% of many shows
                                          > > audiences these are new listeners not cross-overs. Say what you will
                                          > > they have brought an enormous number of new listeners to the space.
                                          > >
                                          > > But here are some points you should consider. Make Sure your RSS feed is
                                          > > Valid at all times I can almost bet a invalid RSS feed will make your
                                          > > show less likely to be added to the marketplace. Make sure your RSS
                                          > > feeds meta data is complete, the number of people that have jacked up
                                          > > RSS feeds is beyond belief. http://www.feedvalidator.org
                                          > <http://www.feedvalidator.org>
                                          > >
                                          > > My opinion only and Not sure if this matters for the Zune folks but take
                                          > > sometime and make sure your website is presentable a shitty looking
                                          > > website or one that does not have basic data like a contact email, rss
                                          > > icon, zune icon etc gives the appearance you have not done your
                                          > > homework. More podcasters have lost advertising deals working with us
                                          > > simply because the vendor looked at the persons website and said no
                                          > > thanks they did not even listen to the content.
                                          > >
                                          > > Another thing is if you have questions why not email rob directly..
                                          > >
                                          > > Todd...
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Geek - wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                          > > > happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                          > > > info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                          > > > doesn't work there anymore.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...
                                          > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each
                                          > > > submission before
                                          > > > > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or
                                          > they are
                                          > > so
                                          > > > > behind they just gave up.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...
                                          > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>
                                          > > > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                          > > > > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added
                                          > the next
                                          > > > > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They
                                          > have
                                          > > > > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they
                                          > have is
                                          > > > > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a
                                          > > part
                                          > > > > > of the community, eh?
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > --
                                          > > > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                          > > > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                          > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                          > > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/ <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>>
                                          > > > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                          > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                          > > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/ <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>>
                                          > > > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography
                                          > > > http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                          > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                          > > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                          > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>>
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                          > > > > > <writerpatrick@...
                                          > <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net> <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
                                          > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                                          > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>
                                          > >
                                          > > > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...>
                                          > wrote:
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld
                                          > <patriotworld@...>
                                          > > > > > > wrote:
                                          > > > > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my
                                          > > podcast
                                          > > > > > > in Zune
                                          > > > > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long
                                          > ago but
                                          > > > > > > it just
                                          > > > > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he
                                          > was able
                                          > > > > > > to subscribe
                                          > > > > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but
                                          > figured
                                          > > > > > > I'd pass
                                          > > > > > > > > that on fyi...
                                          > > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune
                                          > Marketplace
                                          > > > > > > from
                                          > > > > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this
                                          > and I
                                          > > > > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                          > > > > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond
                                          > > > Zune
                                          > > > > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast
                                          > exists
                                          > > > > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                          > > > > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do
                                          > > business,
                                          > > > > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking
                                          > > > submissions
                                          > > > > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                          > > > > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is
                                          > > after
                                          > > > > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                          > > > > > > management.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start
                                          > > charging
                                          > > > > > > for listings.
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > >
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                                          > > >
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                                          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/c54x?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr2&sec=recg>>
                                          > > > >
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                                          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>
                                          > > >
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                                          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information_Systems_Forum?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr3&sec=recg>>
                                          > > > >
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                                          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg>
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg
                                          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/code-comp?v=1&t=ipt&ch=email&pub=groups&slk=aftr4&sec=recg>>
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > > Computers & Internet/Communications and Networking: The goal
                                          > of this
                                          > > > > group
                                          > > > > > is to facilitate the exchan...
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > YahooGroups Podcasters Links
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                                          > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > --
                                          > > > > Mike Wills
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Check out my music show at http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                                          > <http://thenextgenerationofradio.com>
                                          > > > <http://thenextgenerationofradio.com
                                          > <http://thenextgenerationofradio.com>>
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --
                                          > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                          > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                          > > >
                                          > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                          > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                          > > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/ <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>>
                                          > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                          > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                          > > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/ <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>>
                                          > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography
                                          > http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                          > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                          > > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                          > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>>
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          >
                                          > --
                                          > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                          > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                          >
                                          > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                          > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                          > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                          > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                          > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                          > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                          >
                                          >


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                                        • Geek -
                                          Todd, Not all of us can afford the bandwidth and production costs of videocasting. I hit on 2 of those, though, and I am ok with not having invested the cash
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                                            Todd,

                                            Not all of us can afford the bandwidth and production costs of
                                            videocasting. I hit on 2 of those, though, and I am ok with not having
                                            invested the cash to get into the video space. Not all of us want to
                                            form the next TWiT network, Rev 3, or other podcast network. Some of
                                            us just want to do the best podcast we can.

                                            On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Again I don't know if the website appearance has anything to do with it
                                            > but it was a general suggestion. I do think that ones website has a huge
                                            > impact on a show. I never subscribe to a show without going to their
                                            > website first looking at the content they are publishing and see if they
                                            > can be considered an authority in the topic they are covering.
                                            >
                                            > As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
                                            > believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
                                            > Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting, If you Blogging you
                                            > need to Podcasting and Videocasting. If your Videocasting you need to be
                                            > blogging and podcasting. Sites that are only doing one of the above are
                                            > at risk of being marginalized. You have people that consume content
                                            > differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
                                            > read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
                                            > three cylinders.
                                            >
                                            > Todd..
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Geek - wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > Todd,
                                            > >
                                            > > I agree with almost all of your points. A person's website should have
                                            > > no impact on inclusion in a directory. There is no connection at all
                                            > > between the two. For podcasters not overly eager for ads wouldn't see
                                            > > this as a major sticking point. In fact I find my website gets
                                            > > relatively little traffic, most of my traffic coming from aggregators
                                            > > and podcatchers, and I spent a lot of time getting my look just right
                                            > > and keeping it that way. As well, I don't think, with the resources at
                                            > > Microsoft, that it would be too much to ask that if they reject a
                                            > > submission, they at least say why. Even a script generated email would
                                            > > be fine as long as it said what the person can do to rectify the
                                            > > situation for resubmission. Lastly, I have emailed Rob 4 times since
                                            > > his 'next work day' promise and received not a single reply. 'Email
                                            > > him' only works if the person bothers to respond.
                                            > >
                                            > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...
                                            >
                                            > > <mailto:ceo%40rawvoice.com>> wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows
                                            > > > would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a
                                            > huge
                                            > > > increase in listners from those that are on the Zune Marketplace and
                                            > > > those that have done the simple thing of putting the subscribe icon on
                                            > > > their site. You do not have to be in the Zune Marketplace to have your
                                            > > > content subscribed to. I show that most of my new zune listeners have
                                            > > > come from people subscribing either off blubrry.com or my own site.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > The new listener numbers from Zune is pretty impressive, audience
                                            > market
                                            > > > share is growing with Zune capturing close to 20% of many shows
                                            > > > audiences these are new listeners not cross-overs. Say what you will
                                            > > > they have brought an enormous number of new listeners to the space.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > But here are some points you should consider. Make Sure your RSS feed
                                            > is
                                            > > > Valid at all times I can almost bet a invalid RSS feed will make your
                                            > > > show less likely to be added to the marketplace. Make sure your RSS
                                            > > > feeds meta data is complete, the number of people that have jacked up
                                            > > > RSS feeds is beyond belief. http://www.feedvalidator.org
                                            > > <http://www.feedvalidator.org>
                                            > > >
                                            > > > My opinion only and Not sure if this matters for the Zune folks but
                                            > take
                                            > > > sometime and make sure your website is presentable a shitty looking
                                            > > > website or one that does not have basic data like a contact email, rss
                                            > > > icon, zune icon etc gives the appearance you have not done your
                                            > > > homework. More podcasters have lost advertising deals working with us
                                            > > > simply because the vendor looked at the persons website and said no
                                            > > > thanks they did not even listen to the content.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Another thing is if you have questions why not email rob directly..
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Todd...
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Geek - wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                            > > > > happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                            > > > > info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                            > > > > doesn't work there anymore.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@...
                                            > > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each
                                            > > > > submission before
                                            > > > > > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or
                                            > > they are
                                            > > > so
                                            > > > > > behind they just gave up.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@...
                                            > > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>
                                            > > > > <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com>> wrote:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                            > > > > > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added
                                            > > the next
                                            > > > > > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They
                                            > > have
                                            > > > > > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they
                                            > > have is
                                            > > > > > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a
                                            > > > part
                                            > > > > > > of the community, eh?
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > --
                                            > > > > > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                            > > > > > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/
                                            > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>
                                            > > > > <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/ <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/>>
                                            > > > > > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeksblog.com/
                                            > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                            > > > > <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/ <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>>
                                            > > > > > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography
                                            > > > > http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                            > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>
                                            > > > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/
                                            > > <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/>>
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                            > > > > > > <writerpatrick@...
                                            > > <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>
                                            > <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...>
                                            > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld
                                            > > <patriotworld@...>
                                            > > > > > > > wrote:
                                            > > > > > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my
                                            > > > podcast
                                            > > > > > > > in Zune
                                            > > > > > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long
                                            > > ago but
                                            > > > > > > > it just
                                            > > > > > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he
                                            > > was able
                                            > > > > > > > to subscribe
                                            > > > > > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but
                                            > > figured
                                            > > > > > > > I'd pass
                                            > > > > > > > > > that on fyi...
                                            > > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune
                                            > > Marketplace
                                            > > > > > > > from
                                            > > > > > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this
                                            > > and I
                                            > > > > > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                            > > > > > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look
                                            > beyond
                                            > > > > Zune
                                            > > > > > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast
                                            > > exists
                                            > > > > > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                            > > > > > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do
                                            > > > business,
                                            > > > > > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                            > > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking
                                            > > > > submissions
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                                          • Stephen Eley
                                            ... That s overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material you re presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio should also be on TV and
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                                              On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
                                              > believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
                                              > Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting,

                                              That's overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material
                                              you're presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio
                                              should also be on TV and in print. Maybe _some_ can benefit from
                                              that, but not all.

                                              My podcasts narrate short stories. Our general model for delivery is
                                              'audiobook' style. A video podcast would do...what, for us, exactly?
                                              It's theoretically possible that I could point a camera at myself or
                                              someone else reading a story aloud, but how does that add value?


                                              > [ . . . ] You have people that consume content
                                              > differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
                                              > read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
                                              > three cylinders.

                                              My contrary advice would be "Get really good at one thing." And
                                              there's less point in adding additional complexity to 'grow your
                                              audience' until you've hit the saturation point where your audience
                                              isn't growing much in the medium you've got. Most of us still have a
                                              long way to go there.


                                              --
                                              Have Fun,
                                              Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                                              ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                                              http://www.escapepod.org
                                            • Todd Cochrane
                                              Steve In your case one thing for sure, is that what Leo suggest would not make sense. Todd ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                                                Steve

                                                In your case one thing for sure, is that what Leo suggest would not make
                                                sense.

                                                Todd

                                                Stephen Eley wrote:
                                                >
                                                > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...
                                                > <mailto:ceo%40rawvoice.com>> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
                                                > > believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
                                                > > Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting,
                                                >
                                                > That's overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material
                                                > you're presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio
                                                > should also be on TV and in print. Maybe _some_ can benefit from
                                                > that, but not all.
                                                >
                                                > My podcasts narrate short stories. Our general model for delivery is
                                                > 'audiobook' style. A video podcast would do...what, for us, exactly?
                                                > It's theoretically possible that I could point a camera at myself or
                                                > someone else reading a story aloud, but how does that add value?
                                                >
                                                > > [ . . . ] You have people that consume content
                                                > > differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
                                                > > read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
                                                > > three cylinders.
                                                >
                                                > My contrary advice would be "Get really good at one thing." And
                                                > there's less point in adding additional complexity to 'grow your
                                                > audience' until you've hit the saturation point where your audience
                                                > isn't growing much in the medium you've got. Most of us still have a
                                                > long way to go there.
                                                >
                                                > --
                                                > Have Fun,
                                                > Steve Eley (sfeley@... <mailto:sfeley%40gmail.com>)
                                                > ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                                                > http://www.escapepod.org <http://www.escapepod.org>
                                                >
                                                >


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                                              • Paul Puri
                                                ... Sure it is over general, but it is true if your subject matter applies. Let s start with just audio and blogging. How many podcasters have content beyond
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                                                  On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:

                                                  >
                                                  > That's overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material
                                                  > you're presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio
                                                  > should also be on TV and in print. Maybe _some_ can benefit from
                                                  > that, but not all.
                                                  > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  Sure it is over general, but it is true if your subject matter applies.
                                                  Let's start with just audio and blogging. How many podcasters have content
                                                  beyond just the audio? And again, this goes to the type of content you have.

                                                  If you have a podcast about independent musicians, how much better would you
                                                  be servicing your audience if you blogged about the bands you play? Tour
                                                  dates perhaps? Tips from the bands. Reviews of the music.

                                                  How about tech podcasts. You can't possibly fit all the tech news and info
                                                  into one show. Blogging about what didn't fit into the show will bring your
                                                  audience for more, and consistently. Now you have ears and eyeballs.

                                                  Again, this is if it is relevant to your content, and if you want to grow
                                                  and nurture your audience. And it is just advice. Shows like Mr. Eley's may
                                                  not benefit from video, but blogging sure would fit in.

                                                  There is no boilerplate to web content, but there sure is a lot of great
                                                  ideas in how to increase your audience, or just entertain your existing
                                                  audience with more than just one form.

                                                  --
                                                  Paul Puri

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                                                • Mike
                                                  While there has been some proof so far that video can drive more hits, I am with Steve, unless he can afford to spend thousands of dollars with a full writing
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                                                    While there has been some proof so far that video can drive more hits, I am
                                                    with Steve, unless he can afford to spend thousands of dollars with a full
                                                    writing staff and production crew and actors, it isn't worth him video
                                                    taping himself reading a story. I think many of the audio podcasts aren't
                                                    really setup for video or is conducive to video. I don't know about many of
                                                    you, but my time for podcasts is at work. I subscribe to GeekBrief and
                                                    WebbAlert, but I don't usually watch them. I play the video, ignore it, and
                                                    listen to the audio. I know both Cali and Morgan are very cute, but it gets
                                                    boring watching a single shot on them. On the other side, I don't "watch"
                                                    Tiki Bar at work.

                                                    While I respect Leo, he has one thing most of us don't, celebrity status. He
                                                    does a TV show, a radio show, and because of these connections has gained
                                                    access to many things most of us could only dream of having partial access
                                                    to.

                                                    On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:

                                                    > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@...> wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
                                                    > > believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
                                                    > > Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting,
                                                    >
                                                    > That's overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material
                                                    > you're presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio
                                                    > should also be on TV and in print. Maybe _some_ can benefit from
                                                    > that, but not all.
                                                    >
                                                    > My podcasts narrate short stories. Our general model for delivery is
                                                    > 'audiobook' style. A video podcast would do...what, for us, exactly?
                                                    > It's theoretically possible that I could point a camera at myself or
                                                    > someone else reading a story aloud, but how does that add value?
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > > [ . . . ] You have people that consume content
                                                    > > differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
                                                    > > read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
                                                    > > three cylinders.
                                                    >
                                                    > My contrary advice would be "Get really good at one thing." And
                                                    > there's less point in adding additional complexity to 'grow your
                                                    > audience' until you've hit the saturation point where your audience
                                                    > isn't growing much in the medium you've got. Most of us still have a
                                                    > long way to go there.
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > --
                                                    > Have Fun,
                                                    > Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                                                    > ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                                                    > http://www.escapepod.org
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                                                  • Stephen Eley
                                                    ... The main thing he has to enable this that most of podcasters don t is a staff. -- Have Fun, Steve Eley (sfeley@gmail.com) ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction
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                                                      On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Mike <koldark@...> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > While I respect Leo, he has one thing most of us don't, celebrity status. He
                                                      > does a TV show, a radio show, and because of these connections has gained
                                                      > access to many things most of us could only dream of having partial access
                                                      > to.

                                                      The main thing he has to enable this that most of podcasters don't is a staff.


                                                      --
                                                      Have Fun,
                                                      Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                                                      ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                                                      http://www.escapepod.org
                                                    • Bob Crandall
                                                      I disagree with the multiple format idea. You podcast because it is mobile, listeners can download to ipods etc. It s the old Do one thing and do it well. I
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                                                        I disagree with the multiple format idea. You podcast
                                                        because it is mobile, listeners can download to ipods
                                                        etc. It's the old " Do one thing and do it well." I
                                                        want to do 3 podcasts, but to blog and video all three
                                                        would be way to much. The content would suffer. My
                                                        first one , now on it's 13th episode is almost where i
                                                        want it. I hope to start my 2nd podcast by June.
                                                        So i am going to stick with one format and focus on
                                                        that format only.

                                                        Bob Crandall
                                                        http://www.atvstoday.net
                                                      • Todd Cochrane
                                                        Bob This is just my opinion and should not be considered anything but my opinion. But Let me explain my logic behind the multi-pronged approach, and why it
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                                                          Bob

                                                          This is just my opinion and should not be considered anything but my
                                                          opinion. But Let me explain my logic behind the multi-pronged approach,
                                                          and why it has allowed my shows to grow every single month for 3 plus
                                                          years. Blogging everyday keeps my listeners engaged in "me" and my site
                                                          on a daily basis, plus putting out 2 shows a week guarantees that I am
                                                          on there scheduled play list 2 days a week, and in their news readers or
                                                          visiting the website 7 days a week. This builds engagment to amazing
                                                          levels. With the Video stuff I do on a regular basis as supplement aka a
                                                          couple of videos a month it pulls in new listeners as I distribute those
                                                          videos to 11 other websites I just don't put them on my website.

                                                          Case in point; In 2007 and 2008 Andy McCaskey (Slashdot Review) and I
                                                          covered CES which resulted in us distributing out about 100 videos each
                                                          year or a multiple of 1100 totals to 11 sites . In 2007 those videos
                                                          alone did over 13 million views across all of the 11 video sites. Many
                                                          of those video views were from vendors placing those videos on their
                                                          company home pages. 2008 is tracking the same. While I know every
                                                          podcaster will not have a convention that surrounds their topic area, if
                                                          you do you can get extra bang for the buck by going getting a tax write
                                                          off and covering the show.

                                                          When Google indexes my site it has over 7000 pages of materials to
                                                          index. Intermixed in their are 356 audio podcast and 200+ Video Podcast,
                                                          and while I understand you are just getting started I realized three
                                                          years ago that the combination of Blogging, Podcasting and then Video
                                                          starting in 2007 was bringing me new listeners from the combined effort.
                                                          What was the net effect.

                                                          I was able to quit my day job in October 2007, my website, podcast and
                                                          video cast are what put meat on the table. I do not draw a salary from
                                                          RawVoice every penny we earn their goes back into the company. Others
                                                          using this strategy that I have consulted with make full time wages on a
                                                          part time basis. So I know it works, the key though remains the topic
                                                          you are covering it will be a factor in whether this works or not. Time
                                                          is a big issue and always has been so I understand the time commitment
                                                          to do this.

                                                          Even if you are not trying to quit your day job with blogging about your
                                                          topic each day, you gain Google authority which will help people find
                                                          you when they are searching for your show topic. While not every
                                                          podcaster has a topic he can blog everyday the multi-pronged approach
                                                          has it's advantages. My Google traffic to my site each day is 10 times
                                                          greater than the daily repeat visitors from that traffic I pick up
                                                          repeat readers, which turn into listeners. So think about where you want
                                                          your show to be in 3 years. A blog post each day will result in over
                                                          1000 post on your show topic which will pay back dividends of a very
                                                          large scales.

                                                          Again these are my opinions and take them for what their worth their is
                                                          no single way to do this all I can share is what has worked for me.

                                                          Todd...


                                                          Bob Crandall wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          > I disagree with the multiple format idea. You podcast
                                                          > because it is mobile, listeners can download to ipods
                                                          > etc. It's the old " Do one thing and do it well." I
                                                          > want to do 3 podcasts, but to blog and video all three
                                                          > would be way to much. The content would suffer. My
                                                          > first one , now on it's 13th episode is almost where i
                                                          > want it. I hope to start my 2nd podcast by June.
                                                          > So i am going to stick with one format and focus on
                                                          > that format only.
                                                          >
                                                          > Bob Crandall
                                                          > http://www.atvstoday.net <http://www.atvstoday.net>
                                                          >
                                                          >


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                                                        • Bob Crandall
                                                          Todd Thanks for your in depth insight. You brought up some points I hadn t considered. I m always open to ideas and suggestions. By the way I live in Las
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                                                            Todd
                                                            Thanks for your in depth insight. You brought up some
                                                            points I hadn't considered. I'm always open to ideas
                                                            and suggestions. By the way I live in Las Vegas, let
                                                            me know the next time you're in town, maybe we can get
                                                            together.

                                                            Bob Crandall
                                                            http://www.atvstoday.net
                                                          • Rob Greenlee-WebTalkGuys
                                                            Dwight, You are correct that submission approvals have been slow. I do feel awful about it, but I am pushing as hard as I can to get everything done here that
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                                                              Dwight,

                                                              You are correct that submission approvals have been slow. I do feel awful
                                                              about it, but I am pushing as hard as I can to get everything done here that
                                                              needs to be done. I am only filtering submissions based on Microsoft's
                                                              public content policy across the whole company, we only exclude based on
                                                              lack of album art and whether content is unlawful and or pornographic in
                                                              nature. I do regularly feel pressure from our user community to filter even
                                                              more as many have families and want us to exclude more types of explicit
                                                              language and or any sexually suggestive content. I do resist most of the
                                                              pressure.

                                                              Please be patient with the submission process, as I know many of you are and
                                                              I thank you. We have some very good upgrades coming to the Zune Podcast
                                                              Marketplace and am getting a couple of current podcasters from the community
                                                              on my team ramped up in helping me with the submission backlog - which is in
                                                              the many 10's of thousands still. Many things need to be pulled together
                                                              here before big changes happen, but rest assured it is happening as fast as
                                                              it can from my end. Many others on the Zune team are contributing to
                                                              podcast support, along with many other priorities.

                                                              I am available by email at (rob at zune.net) if you have any questions or
                                                              concerns about your podcast submission and I will do my best to address each
                                                              one. I do this every day already and am trying to make it to Ad:Tech in a
                                                              week or so and Podcamp NY.

                                                              Thanks,
                                                              Rob Greenlee
                                                              Zune Podcast Programming Lead
                                                              http://www.zune.net
                                                              _____

                                                              From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:podcasters@yahoogroups.com] On
                                                              Behalf Of Geek -
                                                              Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:28 AM
                                                              To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                                                              Subject: Re: [podcasters] Re: Msg to Rob Greenlee regarding submissions to
                                                              Zune Marketplace



                                                              Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
                                                              happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
                                                              info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
                                                              doesn't work there anymore.

                                                              On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@gmail.
                                                              <mailto:koldark%40gmail.com> com> wrote:
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission
                                                              before
                                                              > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
                                                              > behind they just gave up.
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              >
                                                              > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@gmail.
                                                              <mailto:cdngeek%40gmail.com> com> wrote:
                                                              >
                                                              > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
                                                              > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
                                                              > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
                                                              > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
                                                              > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
                                                              > > of the community, eh?
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > > --
                                                              > > Dwight Wallbridge,
                                                              > > Blogger, Photographer, Geek
                                                              > >
                                                              > > All Things Azeroth http://www.allthing
                                                              <http://www.allthingsazeroth.com/> sazeroth.com/
                                                              > > The Geek's Blog http://www.thegeeks <http://www.thegeeksblog.com/>
                                                              blog.com/
                                                              > > Dwight Wallbridge Photography http://www.dwightwa
                                                              <http://www.dwightwallbridge.com/Photo/> llbridge.com/Photo/
                                                              > >
                                                              > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:35 PM, writerpatrick
                                                              > > <writerpatrick@ <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net> netzero.net> wrote:
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > --- In podcasters@yahoogro <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>
                                                              ups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
                                                              > > > wrote:
                                                              > > > > > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
                                                              > > > in Zune
                                                              > > > > > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
                                                              > > > it just
                                                              > > > > > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
                                                              > > > to subscribe
                                                              > > > > > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
                                                              > > > I'd pass
                                                              > > > > > that on fyi...
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
                                                              > > > from
                                                              > > > > your own Web site. The URL format is:
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
                                                              > > > Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
                                                              > > > Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
                                                              > > > or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
                                                              > > > if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
                                                              > > > without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
                                                              > > > but it makes it all the more difficult.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
                                                              > > > and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
                                                              > > > trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
                                                              > > > they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
                                                              > > > management.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
                                                              > > > for listings.
                                                              > > >
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