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  • Stephen Schleicher
    How are the subscribers counted? Is this the total number of downloads per month or per show? I wasn t able to find any info on the podfeeds definition of
    Message 1 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
      How are the subscribers counted? Is this the total number of downloads per month or per show? I wasn't able to find any info on the podfeeds definition of subscriber on the site link provided.

      Cheers
      Stephen Schleicher
      www.coolnessroundup.com

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: kscolligan
      To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:24 PM
      Subject: [podcasters] Re: Average number of subscribers???


      Very enlightening. Thanks!

      --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, Steve Sergeant <SteveSgt@...> wrote:
      >
      > At 8:42 PM +0000 3/30/07, kscolligan wrote:
      > >What do the big boys get? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of
      > >thousands?
      > >
      > >And what about your average mom-and-pop podcast?
      > >
      > >Just curious, and couldn't seem to Google up accurate numbers.
      >
      > Here is one interesting resource to answer that question:
      > http://www.podfeed.net/feedburner_rankings.asp
      >
      > But those are only the podcasts who use Feedburner. I understand
      > that TWiT claims 150,000 subscribers.
      >
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    • Steve Sergeant
      ... Podfeed is simply re-displaying data from Feedburner. Though I have to say that I just surfed their site for over 10 minutes and couldn t find any kind of
      Message 2 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
        At 6:21 PM -0500 3/30/07, Stephen Schleicher wrote:
        >How are the subscribers counted? Is this the total number of
        >downloads per month or per show? I wasn't able to find any info on
        >the podfeeds definition of subscriber on the site link provided.

        ...

        > > Here is one interesting resource to answer that question:
        > > http://www.podfeed.net/feedburner_rankings.asp

        Podfeed is simply re-displaying data from Feedburner. Though I have
        to say that I just surfed their site for over 10 minutes and couldn't
        find any kind of a concise explanation of their algorithm.

        As I understand it, they track hits to your RSS file from each unique
        user-agent and IP address pair. They exclude some browsers and bots.
        When a unique client loads an RSS file within a particular day,
        that's considered one subscriber.

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      • Katronix Serf
        I have a total of 3 podcasts, not counting the one I just released episode 1 of today, I have an average of 14-16 for the other two podcasts. So 36 isn t bad
        Message 3 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
          I have a total of 3 podcasts, not counting the one I just released
          episode 1 of today, I have an average of 14-16 for the other two
          podcasts. So 36 isn't bad :-).

          Chris

          kscolligan wrote:
          >
          > Hi there,
          >
          > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com under my
          > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
          > podcasts.
          >
          > I've got 36 subscribers so far.
          >
          > I think that's decent for two weeks (especially since WTT is not yet
          > listed in the iTunes store) but I really have no idea.
          >
          > Does anyone know ballpark figures for average subscription numbers?
          >
          > What do the big boys get? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of
          > thousands?
          >
          > And what about your average mom-and-pop podcast?
          >
          > Just curious, and couldn't seem to Google up accurate numbers.
          >
          > Thanks,
          > Kevin
          >
          > *******************
          > Well Told Tales
          > short-fiction podcast
          >
          > Site: http://WellToldTales.com <http://WellToldTales.com>
          > Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/WellToldTales
          > <http://feeds.feedburner.com/WellToldTales>
          >
          > *******************
          >
          >

          --
          <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/katsplace"><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/katsplace.gif" style="border:0" alt="Kat's Place podcast"/></a>
        • George L Smyth
          ... Odd, neither of my podcasts are in that group. Hmmmmm. Cheers - george ... Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com One Minute How-To:
          Message 4 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
            --- Steve Sergeant <SteveSgt@...> wrote:

            > At 8:42 PM +0000 3/30/07, kscolligan wrote:
            > >What do the big boys get? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of
            > >thousands?
            > >
            > >And what about your average mom-and-pop podcast?
            > >
            > >Just curious, and couldn't seem to Google up accurate numbers.
            >
            > Here is one interesting resource to answer that question:
            > http://www.podfeed.net/feedburner_rankings.asp

            Odd, neither of my podcasts are in that group. Hmmmmm. <g>

            Cheers -

            george

            -------------------------------------

            Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com
            One Minute How-To: http://OneMinuteHowTo.com
            DRiP Investing: http://DRiPInvesting.org - Blog: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PrudentInvestor

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          • Stephen Eley
            ... The Feedburner circulation count is the number of unique readers that requested your feed in the previous 24 hour period. It shouldn t be confused with
            Message 5 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
              On 3/30/07, Steve Sergeant <SteveSgt@...> wrote:
              >
              > Podfeed is simply re-displaying data from Feedburner. Though I have
              > to say that I just surfed their site for over 10 minutes and couldn't
              > find any kind of a concise explanation of their algorithm.

              The Feedburner circulation count is the number of unique readers that
              requested your feed in the previous 24 hour period.

              It shouldn't be confused with download counts, or audience size, or
              anything else. It will always be lower than your number of downloads,
              and doesn't necessarily correlate at all with your number of human
              listeners. (For which there is no tracking method short of
              omniscience.)


              --
              Have Fun,
              Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
              ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
              http://www.escapepod.org
            • MissPeter
              ... I agree and would add that your subscribers to downloads ratio is also factored by what kind of show you produce. I do a music show geared toward people
              Message 6 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
                On 30 Mar 2007 19:30:14 -0700, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:
                > It shouldn't be confused with download counts, or audience size, or
                > anything else. It will always be lower than your number of downloads,
                > and doesn't necessarily correlate at all with your number of human
                > listeners. (For which there is no tracking method short of
                > omniscience.)

                I agree and would add that your subscribers to downloads ratio is also
                factored by what kind of show you produce. I do a music show geared
                toward people with eccentric tastes in music and my subscribers only
                amount to about 10% of my total downloads. A lot of music geeks are
                cherry pickers with hard drives full of music and limited space left
                for automatic downloads. Even my regular listeners pick and choose
                what shows they download and my numbers can bounce wildly up and down
                by thousands of downloads each show. So I've just tried to learn my
                audience and realized that my most is important figure is average
                downloads over a several month period. This is the number I watch
                because of my show and I'm sure shows about Linux learn to not watch
                iTunes subscribers as closely but shows about podcasting might have
                subscribers as their most important number. So, just watch all your
                numbers for a few months until you get a feel for what's important.

                p
                --

                http://www.musicNerve.com - strange music for strange people

                http://digg.com/podcasts/musicNerve_com_strange_music_for_strange_people
              • Stephen Eley
                ... As one of the 36 subscribers, I should mention that these really are good stories. I thought The Hand of God was a terrific tale, with a great central
                Message 7 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
                  On 3/30/07, kscolligan <kscolligan@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com under my
                  > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
                  > podcasts.
                  >
                  > I've got 36 subscribers so far.

                  As one of the 36 subscribers, I should mention that these really are
                  good stories. I thought "The Hand of God" was a terrific tale, with a
                  great central character. Some audio issues need work, but you're only
                  two episodes in, that'll all get better. (It definitely sounds better
                  than EP did in the beginning.) >8->

                  Get at least five episodes under your belt, then send me a promo.
                  I'll talk this up.



                  --
                  Have Fun,
                  Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                  ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                  http://www.escapepod.org
                • robert
                  Hi Kevin, Feedburner up until about 3 months ago used to list on their site the number of Subscriptions to Podcasts along with the number of Podcast feeds
                  Message 8 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
                    Hi Kevin,

                    Feedburner up until about 3 months ago used to list on their site the
                    number of Subscriptions to Podcasts along with the number of Podcast
                    feeds (which they still do and the number is now at 99,885).

                    Doing the simple math - the average number of subscriptions per feed
                    hovered right at about 76 for podcasts.

                    If you assume about half of the feeds are dead or duplicates - Then
                    one could assume the average podcast has about 150 subscribers, if
                    75% are dead - then the number is 300. I tend to think the number is
                    in the 150 to 200 range.

                    I know people with 100 subscribers that are happy as all can be to
                    get that many, and I know others at 1,500 that sound like they want
                    to take a bottle of pills because they are so depressed.

                    I would concentrate more on making a show you enjoy yourself and the
                    numbers will work themselves out on their own.

                    Don't become a stat junkie - it will suck the life out of you.

                    Ok off to check my libsyn stats for the 3rd time today.

                    Rob W
                    podCast411




                    On Mar 30, 2007, at 3:42 PM, kscolligan wrote:

                    > Hi there,
                    >
                    > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com under my
                    > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
                    > podcasts.
                    >
                    > I've got 36 subscribers so far.
                    >
                    > I think that's decent for two weeks (especially since WTT is not yet
                    > listed in the iTunes store) but I really have no idea.
                    >
                    > Does anyone know ballpark figures for average subscription numbers?
                    >
                    > What do the big boys get? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of
                    > thousands?
                    >
                    > And what about your average mom-and-pop podcast?
                    >
                    > Just curious, and couldn't seem to Google up accurate numbers.
                    >
                    > Thanks,
                    > Kevin
                    >
                    > *******************
                    > Well Told Tales
                    > short-fiction podcast
                    >
                    > Site: http://WellToldTales.com
                    > Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/WellToldTales
                    >
                    > *******************
                    >


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                  • Dan Kuykendall
                    ... No such thing that I have ever been able to figure out. There are too many ways to try and figure this out. Even feed stats and download stats are somewhat
                    Message 9 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
                      kscolligan wrote:
                      > Hi there,
                      >
                      > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com under my
                      > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
                      > podcasts.

                      No such thing that I have ever been able to figure out. There are too
                      many ways to try and figure this out. Even feed stats and download stats
                      are somewhat meaningless because they only tell you how many times your
                      contect was requested. Not even if the file was fully downloaded. And if
                      downloaded has no way to determine if a human ever took the time to listen.

                      > I've got 36 subscribers so far.

                      37 now, Ive just subscribe, and it sounds like your off to a good start

                      > I think that's decent for two weeks (especially since WTT is not yet
                      > listed in the iTunes store) but I really have no idea.

                      It really is a good start. It takes time to build up an audience.

                      > What do the big boys get? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of
                      > thousands?

                      Im not one of them, so not sure.

                      > And what about your average mom-and-pop podcast?

                      After about a year doing my podcast, Im up to about 1300 downloads per
                      most episodes. My hands on series episodes get closer to 3000, which Im
                      guessing is due to people listening on line multiple times to be able to
                      follow along with the actual hacks I setup for them/

                      ----
                      Dan Kuykendall (aka Seek3r)
                      http://www.mightyseek.com

                      In God we trust, all others we virus scan.
                      Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.
                    • George L Smyth
                      Just thought I d make note at this point the program I wrote, which is placed at http://oneminutehowto.com/FeedburnerStats.asp If you use Feedburner and have
                      Message 10 of 18 , Mar 31, 2007
                        Just thought I'd make note at this point the program I wrote, which is placed
                        at http://oneminutehowto.com/FeedburnerStats.asp

                        If you use Feedburner and have your Awareness turned on, this program will
                        produce a graphical display of your numbers, where each value is the average
                        number of downloads over the previous ten days (or whatever value you wish to
                        give it). This will create a smoother display which will make it a bit easier
                        to see your trends over time.

                        Cheers -

                        george

                        -------------------------------------

                        Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com
                        One Minute How-To: http://OneMinuteHowTo.com
                        DRiP Investing: http://DRiPInvesting.org - Blog: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PrudentInvestor

                        Handmade Photographic Images: http://www.GLSmyth.com - Blog: http://feeds.feedburner.com/GLSmyth
                      • kscolligan
                        Thanks, Steve! Very nice of you. I ll start listening to promos like crazy to get the hang of making one.
                        Message 11 of 18 , Apr 2, 2007
                          Thanks, Steve! Very nice of you.

                          I'll start listening to promos like crazy to get the hang of making one.


                          --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > On 3/30/07, kscolligan <kscolligan@...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com under my
                          > > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
                          > > podcasts.
                          > >
                          > > I've got 36 subscribers so far.
                          >
                          > As one of the 36 subscribers, I should mention that these really are
                          > good stories. I thought "The Hand of God" was a terrific tale, with a
                          > great central character. Some audio issues need work, but you're only
                          > two episodes in, that'll all get better. (It definitely sounds better
                          > than EP did in the beginning.) >8->
                          >
                          > Get at least five episodes under your belt, then send me a promo.
                          > I'll talk this up.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --
                          > Have Fun,
                          > Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                          > ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                          > http://www.escapepod.org
                          >
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