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  • Stephen Schleicher
    How are the subscribers counted? Is this the total number of downloads per month or per show? I wasn t able to find any info on the podfeeds definition of
    Message 1 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
      How are the subscribers counted? Is this the total number of downloads per month or per show? I wasn't able to find any info on the podfeeds definition of subscriber on the site link provided.

      Cheers
      Stephen Schleicher
      www.coolnessroundup.com

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: kscolligan
      To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:24 PM
      Subject: [podcasters] Re: Average number of subscribers???


      Very enlightening. Thanks!

      --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, Steve Sergeant <SteveSgt@...> wrote:
      >
      > At 8:42 PM +0000 3/30/07, kscolligan wrote:
      > >What do the big boys get? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of
      > >thousands?
      > >
      > >And what about your average mom-and-pop podcast?
      > >
      > >Just curious, and couldn't seem to Google up accurate numbers.
      >
      > Here is one interesting resource to answer that question:
      > http://www.podfeed.net/feedburner_rankings.asp
      >
      > But those are only the podcasts who use Feedburner. I understand
      > that TWiT claims 150,000 subscribers.
      >
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    • kscolligan
      Thanks, everyone. I totally agree that the main thing is to concentrate on the quality of the podcast. So I m not obsessing about numbers ... at least not
      Message 2 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
        Thanks, everyone.

        I totally agree that the main thing is to concentrate on the quality
        of the podcast. So I'm not obsessing about numbers ... at least not
        yet. ;)

        - Kevin

        *******************
        Well Told Tales
        short-fiction podcast

        Site: http://WellToldTales.com
        Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/WellToldTales

        *******************



        --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Wayne Selznick"
        <mwselznick@...> wrote:
        >
        > On 30 Mar 2007 13:42:24 -0700, kscolligan <kscolligan@...> wrote:
        > > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com
        under my
        > > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
        > > podcasts.
        >
        > How many clouds make a pretty sky? How many flowers make a garden?
        >
        > :-)
        >
        > What I'm trying to say in my faux-zen way is: there is no average
        > number of subscribers.
        >
        > Obviously, everyone would like *more* subscribers, but what's arguably
        > more important is how many subscribers you *keep.* Also, are your
        > numbers going up with each episode? Doesn't matter how fast or how
        > much -- if, after a few weeks / months / episodes, the right side of
        > the chart is higher than the left, you're doing fine.
        >
        > Build your audience by promoting your show -- both on other, similar
        > podcasts but also *outside* of the insulated "podosphere" and
        > encourage community among your listeners. Slow and steady wins this
        > race. You can't really compare yourself to other podcasts, since
        > there really is no standard or common practice.
        >
        > --
        > Matthew Wayne Selznick
        > Consultant, Podcaster, Author
        > ************************************
        >
        > MWS Media
        > Podcast consultation, web
        > hosting, and writing services
        > for DIY, independent creators
        > http://www.mwsmedia.com
        >
        > Podiobooks.com
        > The original source of audio
        > books in podcast form.
        > http://www.podiobooks.com
        >
        > Podcasts:
        > The DIY Endeavors Podcast
        > http://www.podmotel.com/diyendeavors
        > Five Minute Memoir
        > http://www.fiveminutememoir.com
        > Sonitotum
        > http://www.mattselznick.com
        >
        > Books:
        > "Brave Men Run - A Novel of the
        > Sovereign Era"
        > http://www.bravemenrun.com
        >
      • Steve Sergeant
        ... Podfeed is simply re-displaying data from Feedburner. Though I have to say that I just surfed their site for over 10 minutes and couldn t find any kind of
        Message 3 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
          At 6:21 PM -0500 3/30/07, Stephen Schleicher wrote:
          >How are the subscribers counted? Is this the total number of
          >downloads per month or per show? I wasn't able to find any info on
          >the podfeeds definition of subscriber on the site link provided.

          ...

          > > Here is one interesting resource to answer that question:
          > > http://www.podfeed.net/feedburner_rankings.asp

          Podfeed is simply re-displaying data from Feedburner. Though I have
          to say that I just surfed their site for over 10 minutes and couldn't
          find any kind of a concise explanation of their algorithm.

          As I understand it, they track hits to your RSS file from each unique
          user-agent and IP address pair. They exclude some browsers and bots.
          When a unique client loads an RSS file within a particular day,
          that's considered one subscriber.

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          The WildeBeat "The audio journal about getting into the wilderness"
          Download the MP3 programs or subscribe to the podcast at...
          <A HREF="http://www.wildebeat.net/">www.wildebeat.net</A>
        • Katronix Serf
          I have a total of 3 podcasts, not counting the one I just released episode 1 of today, I have an average of 14-16 for the other two podcasts. So 36 isn t bad
          Message 4 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
            I have a total of 3 podcasts, not counting the one I just released
            episode 1 of today, I have an average of 14-16 for the other two
            podcasts. So 36 isn't bad :-).

            Chris

            kscolligan wrote:
            >
            > Hi there,
            >
            > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com under my
            > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
            > podcasts.
            >
            > I've got 36 subscribers so far.
            >
            > I think that's decent for two weeks (especially since WTT is not yet
            > listed in the iTunes store) but I really have no idea.
            >
            > Does anyone know ballpark figures for average subscription numbers?
            >
            > What do the big boys get? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of
            > thousands?
            >
            > And what about your average mom-and-pop podcast?
            >
            > Just curious, and couldn't seem to Google up accurate numbers.
            >
            > Thanks,
            > Kevin
            >
            > *******************
            > Well Told Tales
            > short-fiction podcast
            >
            > Site: http://WellToldTales.com <http://WellToldTales.com>
            > Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/WellToldTales
            > <http://feeds.feedburner.com/WellToldTales>
            >
            > *******************
            >
            >

            --
            <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/katsplace"><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/katsplace.gif" style="border:0" alt="Kat's Place podcast"/></a>
          • George L Smyth
            ... Odd, neither of my podcasts are in that group. Hmmmmm. Cheers - george ... Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com One Minute How-To:
            Message 5 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
              --- Steve Sergeant <SteveSgt@...> wrote:

              > At 8:42 PM +0000 3/30/07, kscolligan wrote:
              > >What do the big boys get? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of
              > >thousands?
              > >
              > >And what about your average mom-and-pop podcast?
              > >
              > >Just curious, and couldn't seem to Google up accurate numbers.
              >
              > Here is one interesting resource to answer that question:
              > http://www.podfeed.net/feedburner_rankings.asp

              Odd, neither of my podcasts are in that group. Hmmmmm. <g>

              Cheers -

              george

              -------------------------------------

              Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com
              One Minute How-To: http://OneMinuteHowTo.com
              DRiP Investing: http://DRiPInvesting.org - Blog: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PrudentInvestor

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            • Stephen Eley
              ... The Feedburner circulation count is the number of unique readers that requested your feed in the previous 24 hour period. It shouldn t be confused with
              Message 6 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
                On 3/30/07, Steve Sergeant <SteveSgt@...> wrote:
                >
                > Podfeed is simply re-displaying data from Feedburner. Though I have
                > to say that I just surfed their site for over 10 minutes and couldn't
                > find any kind of a concise explanation of their algorithm.

                The Feedburner circulation count is the number of unique readers that
                requested your feed in the previous 24 hour period.

                It shouldn't be confused with download counts, or audience size, or
                anything else. It will always be lower than your number of downloads,
                and doesn't necessarily correlate at all with your number of human
                listeners. (For which there is no tracking method short of
                omniscience.)


                --
                Have Fun,
                Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                http://www.escapepod.org
              • MissPeter
                ... I agree and would add that your subscribers to downloads ratio is also factored by what kind of show you produce. I do a music show geared toward people
                Message 7 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
                  On 30 Mar 2007 19:30:14 -0700, Stephen Eley <SFEley@...> wrote:
                  > It shouldn't be confused with download counts, or audience size, or
                  > anything else. It will always be lower than your number of downloads,
                  > and doesn't necessarily correlate at all with your number of human
                  > listeners. (For which there is no tracking method short of
                  > omniscience.)

                  I agree and would add that your subscribers to downloads ratio is also
                  factored by what kind of show you produce. I do a music show geared
                  toward people with eccentric tastes in music and my subscribers only
                  amount to about 10% of my total downloads. A lot of music geeks are
                  cherry pickers with hard drives full of music and limited space left
                  for automatic downloads. Even my regular listeners pick and choose
                  what shows they download and my numbers can bounce wildly up and down
                  by thousands of downloads each show. So I've just tried to learn my
                  audience and realized that my most is important figure is average
                  downloads over a several month period. This is the number I watch
                  because of my show and I'm sure shows about Linux learn to not watch
                  iTunes subscribers as closely but shows about podcasting might have
                  subscribers as their most important number. So, just watch all your
                  numbers for a few months until you get a feel for what's important.

                  p
                  --

                  http://www.musicNerve.com - strange music for strange people

                  http://digg.com/podcasts/musicNerve_com_strange_music_for_strange_people
                • Stephen Eley
                  ... As one of the 36 subscribers, I should mention that these really are good stories. I thought The Hand of God was a terrific tale, with a great central
                  Message 8 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
                    On 3/30/07, kscolligan <kscolligan@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com under my
                    > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
                    > podcasts.
                    >
                    > I've got 36 subscribers so far.

                    As one of the 36 subscribers, I should mention that these really are
                    good stories. I thought "The Hand of God" was a terrific tale, with a
                    great central character. Some audio issues need work, but you're only
                    two episodes in, that'll all get better. (It definitely sounds better
                    than EP did in the beginning.) >8->

                    Get at least five episodes under your belt, then send me a promo.
                    I'll talk this up.



                    --
                    Have Fun,
                    Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                    ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                    http://www.escapepod.org
                  • robert
                    Hi Kevin, Feedburner up until about 3 months ago used to list on their site the number of Subscriptions to Podcasts along with the number of Podcast feeds
                    Message 9 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
                      Hi Kevin,

                      Feedburner up until about 3 months ago used to list on their site the
                      number of Subscriptions to Podcasts along with the number of Podcast
                      feeds (which they still do and the number is now at 99,885).

                      Doing the simple math - the average number of subscriptions per feed
                      hovered right at about 76 for podcasts.

                      If you assume about half of the feeds are dead or duplicates - Then
                      one could assume the average podcast has about 150 subscribers, if
                      75% are dead - then the number is 300. I tend to think the number is
                      in the 150 to 200 range.

                      I know people with 100 subscribers that are happy as all can be to
                      get that many, and I know others at 1,500 that sound like they want
                      to take a bottle of pills because they are so depressed.

                      I would concentrate more on making a show you enjoy yourself and the
                      numbers will work themselves out on their own.

                      Don't become a stat junkie - it will suck the life out of you.

                      Ok off to check my libsyn stats for the 3rd time today.

                      Rob W
                      podCast411




                      On Mar 30, 2007, at 3:42 PM, kscolligan wrote:

                      > Hi there,
                      >
                      > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com under my
                      > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
                      > podcasts.
                      >
                      > I've got 36 subscribers so far.
                      >
                      > I think that's decent for two weeks (especially since WTT is not yet
                      > listed in the iTunes store) but I really have no idea.
                      >
                      > Does anyone know ballpark figures for average subscription numbers?
                      >
                      > What do the big boys get? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of
                      > thousands?
                      >
                      > And what about your average mom-and-pop podcast?
                      >
                      > Just curious, and couldn't seem to Google up accurate numbers.
                      >
                      > Thanks,
                      > Kevin
                      >
                      > *******************
                      > Well Told Tales
                      > short-fiction podcast
                      >
                      > Site: http://WellToldTales.com
                      > Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/WellToldTales
                      >
                      > *******************
                      >


                      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    • Dan Kuykendall
                      ... No such thing that I have ever been able to figure out. There are too many ways to try and figure this out. Even feed stats and download stats are somewhat
                      Message 10 of 18 , Mar 30, 2007
                        kscolligan wrote:
                        > Hi there,
                        >
                        > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com under my
                        > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
                        > podcasts.

                        No such thing that I have ever been able to figure out. There are too
                        many ways to try and figure this out. Even feed stats and download stats
                        are somewhat meaningless because they only tell you how many times your
                        contect was requested. Not even if the file was fully downloaded. And if
                        downloaded has no way to determine if a human ever took the time to listen.

                        > I've got 36 subscribers so far.

                        37 now, Ive just subscribe, and it sounds like your off to a good start

                        > I think that's decent for two weeks (especially since WTT is not yet
                        > listed in the iTunes store) but I really have no idea.

                        It really is a good start. It takes time to build up an audience.

                        > What do the big boys get? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of
                        > thousands?

                        Im not one of them, so not sure.

                        > And what about your average mom-and-pop podcast?

                        After about a year doing my podcast, Im up to about 1300 downloads per
                        most episodes. My hands on series episodes get closer to 3000, which Im
                        guessing is due to people listening on line multiple times to be able to
                        follow along with the actual hacks I setup for them/

                        ----
                        Dan Kuykendall (aka Seek3r)
                        http://www.mightyseek.com

                        In God we trust, all others we virus scan.
                        Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.
                      • George L Smyth
                        Just thought I d make note at this point the program I wrote, which is placed at http://oneminutehowto.com/FeedburnerStats.asp If you use Feedburner and have
                        Message 11 of 18 , Mar 31, 2007
                          Just thought I'd make note at this point the program I wrote, which is placed
                          at http://oneminutehowto.com/FeedburnerStats.asp

                          If you use Feedburner and have your Awareness turned on, this program will
                          produce a graphical display of your numbers, where each value is the average
                          number of downloads over the previous ten days (or whatever value you wish to
                          give it). This will create a smoother display which will make it a bit easier
                          to see your trends over time.

                          Cheers -

                          george

                          -------------------------------------

                          Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com
                          One Minute How-To: http://OneMinuteHowTo.com
                          DRiP Investing: http://DRiPInvesting.org - Blog: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PrudentInvestor

                          Handmade Photographic Images: http://www.GLSmyth.com - Blog: http://feeds.feedburner.com/GLSmyth
                        • kscolligan
                          Thanks, Steve! Very nice of you. I ll start listening to promos like crazy to get the hang of making one.
                          Message 12 of 18 , Apr 2, 2007
                            Thanks, Steve! Very nice of you.

                            I'll start listening to promos like crazy to get the hang of making one.


                            --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > On 3/30/07, kscolligan <kscolligan@...> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > I'm a new podcaster -- with two episodes of WellToldTales.com under my
                            > > belt -- and I'm wondering about the average number of subscribers for
                            > > podcasts.
                            > >
                            > > I've got 36 subscribers so far.
                            >
                            > As one of the 36 subscribers, I should mention that these really are
                            > good stories. I thought "The Hand of God" was a terrific tale, with a
                            > great central character. Some audio issues need work, but you're only
                            > two episodes in, that'll all get better. (It definitely sounds better
                            > than EP did in the beginning.) >8->
                            >
                            > Get at least five episodes under your belt, then send me a promo.
                            > I'll talk this up.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --
                            > Have Fun,
                            > Steve Eley (sfeley@...)
                            > ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
                            > http://www.escapepod.org
                            >
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