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  • Michael
    I know you can password protect shoutcast stations, never thought of it with a podcast. One would think that you could have the podcast in a members only
    Message 1 of 20 , Mar 3, 2007
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      I know you can password protect shoutcast stations, never thought of it with
      a podcast. One would think that you could have the podcast in a members
      only section and without permission into the members only section their
      would be no way to get at the feed�.Though I could be wrong about this idea
      and I am certain someone will most likely show me error of my ways�..



      Michael �tempus� Ringer

      HYPERLINK "http://tempustemper.podomatic.com/"

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      From: podcasters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:podcasters@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of Karl Laurent
      Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:01 AM
      To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [podcasters] podcast with password



      Hello, I am new on this forum and would like to ask a question.
      I tried to go trough the posts but did not find an answer.

      I would like to make a podcast for the members of an organisation
      (members only). Is it possible to protect this podcast with a
      password, so that outsiders can't reach it or can't listen to it.

      many thanks
      Karl

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    • andrew clarke
      ... What makes you say that?
      Message 2 of 20 , Mar 3, 2007
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        On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 08:37:23AM -0800, Katronix Serf wrote:

        > Possibly, but its not technically a podcast at that point.

        What makes you say that?

        > Karl Laurent wrote:
        >
        > > I would like to make a podcast for the members of an organisation
        > > (members only). Is it possible to protect this podcast with a
        > > password, so that outsiders can't reach it or can't listen to it.
      • Matthew Wayne Selznick
        ... Sure it is. A podcast is any media file (arguably any file) distributed through RSS and available to users via subscription. It can be password
        Message 3 of 20 , Mar 3, 2007
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          On 3/3/07, Katronix Serf <kat@...> wrote:
          > Possibly, but its not technically a podcast at that point.

          Sure it is. A podcast is any media file (arguably any file)
          distributed through RSS and available to users via subscription. It
          can be password protected, or not... have a specific audience, or not.

          I could set up a podcast on a private or corporate intranet for the
          purpose of distributing information to a specific group. Even though
          only certain people could get it, it would still be a podcast.

          Just because it has a restricted audience doesn't mean it's not a
          podcast. That's like saying what HBO does isn't television because
          only certain people can see it.

          --
          Matthew Wayne Selznick
          Consultant, Podcaster, Author
          ************************************

          MWS Media
          Podcast consultation, web
          hosting, and writing services
          for DIY, independent creators
          http://www.mwsmedia.com

          Podiobooks.com
          The original source of audio
          books in podcast form.
          http://www.podiobooks.com

          Podcasts:
          The DIY Endeavors Podcast
          http://www.podmotel.com/diyendeavors
          Five Minute Memoir
          http://www.fiveminutememoir.com
          Sonitotum
          http://www.mattselznick.com

          Books:
          "Brave Men Run - A Novel of the
          Sovereign Era"
          http://www.bravemenrun.com
        • Dan Kuykendall
          podPress supports premium podcasting. http://www.mightyseek.com/podpress look at the documentation pages, and post on the forums any questions -- Dan
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            podPress supports premium podcasting.

            http://www.mightyseek.com/podpress

            look at the documentation pages, and post on the forums any questions

            --
            Dan Kuykendall (aka Seek3r)
            http://www.mightyseek.com

            In God we trust, all others we virus scan.
            Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.


            Karl Laurent wrote:
            > Hello, I am new on this forum and would like to ask a question.
            > I tried to go trough the posts but did not find an answer.
            >
            > I would like to make a podcast for the members of an organisation
            > (members only). Is it possible to protect this podcast with a
            > password, so that outsiders can't reach it or can't listen to it.
            >
            > many thanks
            > Karl
            >
            >
            >
            >
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          • Dan Kuykendall
            there is no reason you cant call something a podcast because its behind password protection. To all it a podcast just requires an RSS2 feed with enclosures.
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              there is no reason you cant call something a podcast because its behind
              password protection. To all it a podcast just requires an RSS2 feed with
              enclosures. iTunes and other podcatchers can handle HTTP basic auth for
              getting to the feeds just fine

              --
              Dan Kuykendall (aka Seek3r)
              http://www.mightyseek.com

              In God we trust, all others we virus scan.
              Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.


              Katronix Serf wrote:
              > Possibly, but its not technically a podcast at that point.
              >
              > Karl Laurent wrote:
              >
              >>Hello, I am new on this forum and would like to ask a question.
              >>I tried to go trough the posts but did not find an answer.
              >>
              >>I would like to make a podcast for the members of an organisation
              >>(members only). Is it possible to protect this podcast with a
              >>password, so that outsiders can't reach it or can't listen to it.
              >>
              >>many thanks
              >>Karl
              >>
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              >>
              >>
              >
              >
            • David
              How do you do this again? Dave
              Message 6 of 20 , Mar 3, 2007
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                How do you do this again?

                Dave
              • Katronix Serf
                Ok, technically as in how its encoded its still a podcast, but as far as the no-restriction, open voice etc. etc. that is part of the DIY concept of a podcast,
                Message 7 of 20 , Mar 3, 2007
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                  Ok, technically as in how its encoded its still a podcast, but as far as
                  the no-restriction, open voice etc. etc. that is part of the DIY concept
                  of a podcast, its technically not a podcast :-).

                  And even HBO, says they aren't TV, they are HBO :-)

                  Matthew Wayne Selznick wrote:
                  >
                  > On 3/3/07, Katronix Serf <kat@...
                  > <mailto:kat%40thekatsplace.com>> wrote:
                  > > Possibly, but its not technically a podcast at that point.
                  >
                  > Sure it is. A podcast is any media file (arguably any file)
                  > distributed through RSS and available to users via subscription. It
                  > can be password protected, or not... have a specific audience, or not.
                  >
                  > I could set up a podcast on a private or corporate intranet for the
                  > purpose of distributing information to a specific group. Even though
                  > only certain people could get it, it would still be a podcast.
                  >
                  > Just because it has a restricted audience doesn't mean it's not a
                  > podcast. That's like saying what HBO does isn't television because
                  > only certain people can see it.
                  >
                  > --
                  > Matthew Wayne Selznick
                  > Consultant, Podcaster, Author
                  > ************************************
                  >
                  > MWS Media
                  > Podcast consultation, web
                  > hosting, and writing services
                  > for DIY, independent creators
                  > http://www.mwsmedia.com <http://www.mwsmedia.com>
                  >
                  > Podiobooks.com
                  > The original source of audio
                  > books in podcast form.
                  > http://www.podiobooks.com <http://www.podiobooks.com>
                  >
                  > Podcasts:
                  > The DIY Endeavors Podcast
                  > http://www.podmotel.com/diyendeavors
                  > <http://www.podmotel.com/diyendeavors>
                  > Five Minute Memoir
                  > http://www.fiveminutememoir.com <http://www.fiveminutememoir.com>
                  > Sonitotum
                  > http://www.mattselznick.com <http://www.mattselznick.com>
                  >
                  > Books:
                  > "Brave Men Run - A Novel of the
                  > Sovereign Era"
                  > http://www.bravemenrun.com <http://www.bravemenrun.com>
                  >
                  >

                  --
                  <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/katsplace"><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/katsplace.gif" style="border:0" alt="Kat's Place podcast"/></a>
                • Paul Puri
                  ... Well, now your talking about types of podcasters. It takes all kinds. Some do it for money, some do it for work, and some do it for just the love. Just
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                    On 3/3/07, Katronix Serf <kat@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Ok, technically as in how its encoded its still a podcast, but as far as
                    > the no-restriction, open voice etc. etc. that is part of the DIY concept
                    > of a podcast, its technically not a podcast :-).
                    >
                    > And even HBO, says they aren't TV, they are HBO :-)


                    Well, now your talking about types of podcasters. It takes all kinds. Some
                    do it for money, some do it for work, and some do it for just the love. Just
                    because someone doesn't label themselves DIY, does not mean it is not a
                    podcast. A podcast is defined by the delivery method. If you can subscribe
                    to it, still a podcast. Just because it is meant for certain people does not
                    make it any less.

                    I understand where your coming from, but we can't exclude people just
                    because it does not fit our idea of what a podcast should be.
                    :>)


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                  • Michael W. Dean
                    ... far as ... concept ... === I disagree. It may not be your idea of the purest use of a podcast, but it is a podcast. A podcast is RSS technology being
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                      --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, Katronix Serf <kat@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Ok, technically as in how its encoded its still a podcast, but as
                      far as
                      > the no-restriction, open voice etc. etc. that is part of the DIY
                      concept
                      > of a podcast, its technically not a podcast :-).
                      >
                      ===

                      I disagree. It may not be your idea of the "purest" use of a podcast,
                      but it is a podcast.

                      A podcast is RSS technology being used to automatically disseminate
                      (usually spoken) media, usually MP3 audio.
                      (How's that for a concise definition most people on here would agree on?)

                      I can see where you're going with this, "If it's corporate, it's
                      bad...." (I've heard that one before...a lot...and have many opinions
                      on it, and frequently opine on various angels of this argument on
                      Clone The Homeless.)

                      But let's say you're specious logic is correct....and corporate stuff
                      is always "bad" and thus "not a podcast." I can think of situations
                      where non- or even anti-corporate people could have a
                      password-protected podcast. Like maybe for use in networking amongst
                      trusted partners in planning some anti-corporate demonstration or
                      action,....etc. A password would help block out infiltrators and spies
                      from the "other" side.

                      (By the way, the password this week is: humus.)


                      MWD
                    • Matthew Wayne Selznick
                      ... I podcast according to the DIY ethic... but it s *my* definition of the DIY ethic. Granted, I do everything I can to encourage others to follow it,
                      Message 10 of 20 , Mar 3, 2007
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                        On 3/3/07, Katronix Serf <kat@...> wrote:
                        > Ok, technically as in how its encoded its still a podcast, but as far as
                        > the no-restriction, open voice etc. etc. that is part of the DIY concept
                        > of a podcast, its technically not a podcast :-).

                        I podcast according to the DIY ethic... but it's *my* definition of
                        the DIY ethic. Granted, I do everything I can to encourage others to
                        follow it, because I believe it's healthy for creativity and community
                        media.

                        I can see uses for a limited or restricted distribution. The intranet
                        example I used earlier is one. Communication between members of a
                        club is another. Previewing content between collaborators might be
                        another -- this is something close to what Michael W. Dean does with
                        his "Deal Machine."

                        --
                        Matthew Wayne Selznick
                        Consultant, Podcaster, Author
                        ************************************

                        MWS Media
                        Podcast consultation, web
                        hosting, and writing services
                        for DIY, independent creators
                        http://www.mwsmedia.com

                        Podiobooks.com
                        The original source of audio
                        books in podcast form.
                        http://www.podiobooks.com

                        Podcasts:
                        The DIY Endeavors Podcast
                        http://www.podmotel.com/diyendeavors
                        Five Minute Memoir
                        http://www.fiveminutememoir.com
                        Sonitotum
                        http://www.mattselznick.com

                        Books:
                        "Brave Men Run - A Novel of the
                        Sovereign Era"
                        http://www.bravemenrun.com
                      • Michael W. Dean
                        ... far as ... concept ... ==== The Deal Machine site is however, not password protected. But the idea certainly could be ported to working on an intranet. In
                        Message 11 of 20 , Mar 3, 2007
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                          --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Wayne Selznick"
                          <mwselznick@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > On 3/3/07, Katronix Serf <kat@...> wrote:
                          > > Ok, technically as in how its encoded its still a podcast, but as
                          far as
                          > > the no-restriction, open voice etc. etc. that is part of the DIY
                          concept
                          > > of a podcast, its technically not a podcast :-).
                          >
                          > I podcast according to the DIY ethic... but it's *my* definition of
                          > the DIY ethic. Granted, I do everything I can to encourage others to
                          > follow it, because I believe it's healthy for creativity and community
                          > media.
                          >
                          > I can see uses for a limited or restricted distribution. The intranet
                          > example I used earlier is one. Communication between members of a
                          > club is another. Previewing content between collaborators might be
                          > another -- this is something close to what Michael W. Dean does with
                          > his "Deal Machine."
                          >
                          ====
                          The Deal Machine site is however, not password protected. But the idea
                          certainly could be ported to working on an intranet. In fact, that's
                          kind of the idea...a dedicated whiteboard without the whiteboard,
                          among a group of people working in different locations. Could be used
                          for very DIY tasks.

                          MWD
                          Deal Machine:
                          http://www.dealmachine.org
                        • Dan Kuykendall
                          ... I guess I just completely disagree with you. Even your DIY concept doesnt rule our a password protected feed. From wikipedia there is nothing that says the
                          Message 12 of 20 , Mar 3, 2007
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                            Katronix Serf wrote:
                            > Ok, technically as in how its encoded its still a podcast, but as far as
                            > the no-restriction, open voice etc. etc. that is part of the DIY concept
                            > of a podcast, its technically not a podcast :-).

                            I guess I just completely disagree with you. Even your DIY concept
                            doesnt rule our a password protected feed.

                            From wikipedia there is nothing that says the no-restriction aspect is
                            what defines a podcast. Since iTunes and Juice can both handle HTTP
                            basic auth, and can download automaticlly from those RSS2 feeds, then it
                            fully qualifies.

                            --

                            A podcast is a media file that is distributed over the Internet using
                            syndication feeds, for playback on portable media players and personal
                            computers.[1] Like 'radio', it can mean both the content and the method
                            of syndication. The latter may also be termed podcasting. The host or
                            author of a podcast is often called a podcaster. The term "podcast" is
                            derived from Apple's portable music player, the iPod. However, known
                            synonyms for the word pod are capsule, case, container, hull, husk,
                            shell, and vessel.[2] A pod refers to a container of some sort and the
                            idea of broadcasting to a container or pod correctly describes the
                            process of podcasting.[3] More about the name itself can be found in the
                            History of podcasting article.

                            Though podcasters' web sites may also offer direct download or streaming
                            of their content, a podcast is distinguished from other digital audio
                            formats by its ability to be downloaded automatically, using software
                            capable of reading feed formats such as RSS or Atom.

                            --
                            Dan Kuykendall (aka Seek3r)
                            http://www.mightyseek.com

                            In God we trust, all others we virus scan.
                            Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.
                          • Andrea Kalli
                            Personally, I d like to see what others have found for password protecting feeds. I know many educators and coaches would like to be paid for their content and
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                              Personally, I'd like to see what others have found for password
                              protecting feeds. I know many educators and coaches would like to be
                              paid for their content and would like to have that content delivered
                              in the podcast format.

                              So far, I have found the following services available for password
                              protecting a feed:

                              1) www.screencast.com (says either video or audio)
                              2) www.premiumpodcast.com (says audio only)
                              3) www.quickonnex.com (Penny Haynes told me about this one)
                              4) Feedburner has some password protection available for a feed.
                              5) SharePoint Services (a password-protected website) has blogs and
                              RSS feeds now and are available as a hosted solution from many hosts,
                              such as www.frontpages-web-hosting.com for $20 a month.
                              6) And already mentioned, Podpress has a Premium Content feature for
                              protecting individual posts.

                              I would like to hear of more, if any of you have come across some.
                              This area is of great interest to many, I believe.

                              Andrea Kalli

                              --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, Dan Kuykendall <dan@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Katronix Serf wrote:
                              > > Ok, technically as in how its encoded its still a podcast, but as
                              far as
                              > > the no-restriction, open voice etc. etc. that is part of the DIY
                              concept
                              > > of a podcast, its technically not a podcast :-).
                              >
                              > I guess I just completely disagree with you. Even your DIY concept
                              > doesnt rule our a password protected feed.
                              >
                              > From wikipedia there is nothing that says the no-restriction
                              aspect is
                              > what defines a podcast. Since iTunes and Juice can both handle HTTP
                              > basic auth, and can download automaticlly from those RSS2 feeds,
                              then it
                              > fully qualifies.
                              >
                              > --
                              >
                              > A podcast is a media file that is distributed over the Internet
                              using
                              > syndication feeds, for playback on portable media players and
                              personal
                              > computers.[1] Like 'radio', it can mean both the content and the
                              method
                              > of syndication. The latter may also be termed podcasting. The host
                              or
                              > author of a podcast is often called a podcaster. The term "podcast"
                              is
                              > derived from Apple's portable music player, the iPod. However,
                              known
                              > synonyms for the word pod are capsule, case, container, hull, husk,
                              > shell, and vessel.[2] A pod refers to a container of some sort and
                              the
                              > idea of broadcasting to a container or pod correctly describes the
                              > process of podcasting.[3] More about the name itself can be found
                              in the
                              > History of podcasting article.
                              >
                              > Though podcasters' web sites may also offer direct download or
                              streaming
                              > of their content, a podcast is distinguished from other digital
                              audio
                              > formats by its ability to be downloaded automatically, using
                              software
                              > capable of reading feed formats such as RSS or Atom.
                              >
                              > --
                              > Dan Kuykendall (aka Seek3r)
                              > http://www.mightyseek.com
                              >
                              > In God we trust, all others we virus scan.
                              > Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.
                              >
                            • David Smith
                              If an encrypted audio file was still delivered via RSS, I think it probably would be, yes. ... -- Grizzly Podcast:
                              Message 14 of 20 , Mar 3, 2007
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                                If an encrypted audio file was still delivered via RSS, I think it
                                probably would be, yes.

                                It was 3 Mar 2007, when Katronix Serf commented:

                                > Possibly, but its not technically a podcast at that point.
                                >
                                > Karl Laurent wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Hello, I am new on this forum and would like to ask a question.
                                > > I tried to go trough the posts but did not find an answer.
                                > >
                                > > I would like to make a podcast for the members of an organisation
                                > > (members only). Is it possible to protect this podcast with a
                                > > password, so that outsiders can't reach it or can't listen to it.

                                --
                                Grizzly <grizzly at grizzly.podzone.org>
                                Podcast: <http://grizzly.libsyn.com>
                                What's it about? It's about five or
                                ten minutes. Sometimes more.
                              • David Smith
                                ... My original thought was, Of course, public key encryption... no, waitaminute... because if the decryption key is public, that kinda defeats the privacy.
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                                  It was 3 Mar 2007, when Michael W. Dean commented:


                                  > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Wayne Selznick"
                                  > <mwselznick@...> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > On 3/3/07, Katronix Serf <kat@...> wrote:
                                  > > > Ok, technically as in how its encoded its still a podcast, but as
                                  > far as
                                  > > > the no-restriction, open voice etc. etc. that is part of the DIY
                                  > concept
                                  > > > of a podcast, its technically not a podcast :-).
                                  > >
                                  > > I podcast according to the DIY ethic... but it's *my* definition of
                                  > > the DIY ethic. Granted, I do everything I can to encourage others to
                                  > > follow it, because I believe it's healthy for creativity and community
                                  > > media.
                                  > >
                                  > > I can see uses for a limited or restricted distribution. The intranet
                                  > > example I used earlier is one. Communication between members of a club
                                  > > is another. Previewing content between collaborators might be another --
                                  > > this is something close to what Michael W. Dean does with his "Deal
                                  > > Machine."
                                  > >
                                  > ====
                                  > The Deal Machine site is however, not password protected. But the idea
                                  > certainly could be ported to working on an intranet. In fact, that's kind
                                  > of the idea...a dedicated whiteboard without the whiteboard, among a group
                                  > of people working in different locations. Could be used for very DIY tasks.
                                  >
                                  > MWD
                                  > Deal Machine:
                                  > http://www.dealmachine.org

                                  My original thought was, "Of course, public key encryption... no,
                                  waitaminute..." because if the decryption key is public, that kinda
                                  defeats the privacy. With that, you'd have to encrypt with the public key
                                  of each person to receive it. So you might as well use a single key, I
                                  suppose. But simply encrypting the audio file, then distributing it with
                                  a fairly conventional RSS feed should serve the purpose quite simply,
                                  given a practical and secure method to distribute the key(s).

                                  I was setting up a maillist on my Mercury server this morning, and noticed
                                  that Mercury has the option to encrypt mail being sent by the list, at
                                  least with a single key setup, the kind that Pegasus can use inherently.
                                  Might be sufficient to the purpose. Didn't dig into it far enough to be
                                  sure how much it'd do, though.

                                  --
                                  Grizzly <grizzly at grizzly.podzone.org>
                                  Podcast: <http://grizzly.libsyn.com>
                                  What's it about? It's about five or
                                  ten minutes. Sometimes more.
                                • Dan Kuykendall
                                  ... As I mentioned before, podPress can handle this as well so that you dont need to deal with some outside service. http://www.mightyseek.com/podpress
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                                    Andrea Kalli wrote:
                                    > Personally, I'd like to see what others have found for password
                                    > protecting feeds. I know many educators and coaches would like to be
                                    > paid for their content and would like to have that content delivered
                                    > in the podcast format.
                                    >
                                    > So far, I have found the following services available for password
                                    > protecting a feed:
                                    >
                                    > 1) www.screencast.com (says either video or audio)
                                    > 2) www.premiumpodcast.com (says audio only)
                                    > 3) www.quickonnex.com (Penny Haynes told me about this one)
                                    > 4) Feedburner has some password protection available for a feed.
                                    > 5) SharePoint Services (a password-protected website) has blogs and
                                    > RSS feeds now and are available as a hosted solution from many hosts,
                                    > such as www.frontpages-web-hosting.com for $20 a month.
                                    > 6) And already mentioned, Podpress has a Premium Content feature for
                                    > protecting individual posts.
                                    >
                                    > I would like to hear of more, if any of you have come across some.
                                    > This area is of great interest to many, I believe.

                                    As I mentioned before, podPress can handle this as well so that you dont
                                    need to deal with some outside service.

                                    http://www.mightyseek.com/podpress

                                    http://www.podcasterswiki.com/index.php?title=PodPress_Documentation#Premium_Podcasting

                                    --
                                    Dan Kuykendall (aka Seek3r)
                                    http://www.mightyseek.com

                                    In God we trust, all others we virus scan.
                                    Programmer - an organism that turns coffee into software.
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