Re: [podcasters] Music Licensing for UK podcasts just got a whole lot easier...
- On 8/31/05, Matt May <mcmay@...> wrote:
>No, that's true. If you want to produce a podcast but don't care whether
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:55 AM, James Cridland wrote:
> > Hmm. Without music, a music show is going to be a very dull listen:
> > so don't
> > kid yourself that you're doing it for the musicians. You're not -
> > you're
> > doing it to make your own (music) podcast more listened-to.
> You don't know a damn thing about my motivations.
anyone listens to it, that's fine by me. I do know a lot about what makes
things popular, though, and that's what I strive for.
> Of course artists et al. deserve a cut when you're profiting off ofWell, I agree. I think we're minnows in comparison to the record companies.
> their work. But in these discussions, nobody seems to think that we
> as podcasters have any power in this situation.
I work for one of the biggest broadcasters in the UK - and we're podcasting.
I'd like to think I've slightly more power in terms of making record
companies understand what they're talking about in terms of podcasting - so
I can actually help all of us here - if, at least, we all live in the real
world. But I'm still a tiny minnow.
Record companies simply won't take podcasting seriously if they perceive
that the same old tired internet-radio arguments are being re-run again. "We
promote artists" simply isn't a sensible argument to take. "We only play
artists who let us play their stuff free" essentially means, to them, "We
don't play any artists that anyone's ever heard of, and therefore we'll
never make any money, and therefore won't make any record company any
money". It didn't wash for internet radio; it certainly won't wash for a
Podcasts are driving real sales and real
> attention. Ask the Lascivious Biddies, or Samantha Murphy, or RocketYour point made entirely. I've never heard of any of these artists.
> City Riot, or Jonathan Coulton, or Rob Costlow.
Seriously. Genuinely, who are they? (And if I'm asking that, what might your
potential audience be asking?)
Now, if you want to continue arguing your point of view, that's a fine thing
by me: but the rest of us in the real world want to get something sorted
with record companies. The last thing we need is a re-run of arguments that
simply have no foundation in real life.
As you say - peace. But let's make sure this is proper peace, not an uneasy
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- --- James Cridland <james@...> wrote:
> No, that's true. If you want to produce a podcastThere is a difference between popular and successful.
> but don't care whether
> anyone listens to it, that's fine by me. I do know a
> lot about what makes
> things popular, though, and that's what I strive
The old and tired radio and record label model is
fading away. It is hazardous to the artists, and
extremely dishonest. Just plain bad business. It's
time to replace them with something that benefits all
parties involved. Radio is constantly losing
listeners. They know this. And right now they can
afford it. But what about 5 years from now?
> Well, I agree. I think we're minnows in comparisonDepends on your point of view;) I play music that
> to the record companies.
isn't heard on the radio. Seems more like I have
exclusive content. They are all playing the same
rehashed drivel with 5 commercials between each song.
Almost as bad as mtv. Let's see them match that! Now
who has the power! And don't confuse money with power,
> I work for one of the biggest broadcasters in the UKThinking the record companies will agree to any needs
> - and we're podcasting.
> I'd like to think I've slightly more power in terms
> of making record
> companies understand what they're talking about in
> terms of podcasting - so
> I can actually help all of us here - if, at least,
> we all live in the real
> world. But I'm still a tiny minnow.
of the podcasters is a dream world.
> Record companies simply won't take podcastingTrue. The problem with internet radio is that it
> seriously if they perceive
> that the same old tired internet-radio arguments are
> being re-run again. "We
> promote artists" simply isn't a sensible argument to
> take. "We only play
> artists who let us play their stuff free"
> essentially means, to them, "We
> don't play any artists that anyone's ever heard of,
> and therefore we'll
> never make any money, and therefore won't make any
> record company any
> money". It didn't wash for internet radio; it
> certainly won't wash for a
> downloadable medium.
doesn't know how to market itself. If you say radio,
people are going to think Brittany Spears and Ja Rule.
Podcasting is a different story. We have to tell the
world we are not radio. We are something better. We
need a new model that will rejuvinate music. And when
that happens, then a financial model can be made.
> Your point made entirely. I've never heard of any ofHow many music podcasts do you listen to? I have
> these artists.
> Seriously. Genuinely, who are they? (And if I'm
> asking that, what might your
> potential audience be asking?)
played at least two of those artists on my show, and
have yet to get to the others because there are so
many to play. The Podsafe Music Network has many
artists to offer. Some are good, some not so good, and
some reeeally good;) Kinda like radio. Some music is
good, some sucks. The difference is I play 10 songs in
an hour, radio plays 5. And they brag about it?
> Now, if you want to continue arguing your point ofWho wants to deal with the record companies? If I want
> view, that's a fine thing
> by me: but the rest of us in the real world want to
> get something sorted
> with record companies. The last thing we need is a
> re-run of arguments that
> simply have no foundation in real life.
repetitive content, unrealistic demands, and fees that
any intelligent person will see are too high, than
I'll deal with the majors. If I want good music and
want to promote artists who do it for the love of
their craft, I'll be a podcaster. If I find a
financial model for it in the future, more power to
me. But podcasting is still too new to accomplish this
> As you say - peace. But let's make sure this isLive long and prosper;)
> proper peace, not an uneasy
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