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  • Harold Johnson
    I m not worried about the hacker/thief stigma so much as I m worried about usability. Explaining podcasting to newcomers is difficult enough; having to
    Message 1 of 12 , Jan 2, 2005
      I'm not worried about the "hacker/thief" stigma so much as I'm worried
      about usability. Explaining podcasting to newcomers is difficult
      enough; having to explain how to add Bittorrent to the mix is an
      exercise in futility. I'm still trying to explain to myself how I
      could use it...

      Harold J. Johnson
      http://SomethingthatHappened.com


      On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:29:33 -0800, Jeff Barr <jeff@...> wrote:
      > Well, I think there are already a lot of "moving parts" and people are
      > not yet ready or comfortable enough with what's there to add yet another
      > part to the mix. Speaking for myself, I have been a developer and user
      > for almost 30 years and I see some of this as just a bit too complex to
      > make it worthwhile. There's also a somewhat negative "hacker/thief"
      > perception around the entire concept of a torrent.
      >
      > Jeff;
      >
      > David Janes wrote:
      >
      > > Ah, thank you -- that's a very useful feature.
      > >
      > > It's very interesting that the vast majority of podcasters aren't
      > > using BT given the large # of complaints about bandwidth! Why? is the
      > > question...
      > >
      > > Regards, etc...
      > > David
      > > http://sparks.blogmatrix.com
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Jeff Barr
      > > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:55 AM
      > > Subject: Re: [podcasters] BitTorrent and Podcasters
      > >
      > >
      > > Syndic8 is now tracking feeds with enclosures, so I did a quick scan to
      > > find some feeds where the main type of enclosure was a torrent. Here
      > > are
      > > the results. Each link points to the feed's home page on Syndic8. If
      > > you
      > > scroll down a bit you will see the "Enclosures" tab, where you can see
      > > what's inside. Each page has a "Data URL" (the feed) for subscription
      > > purposes.
      > >
      > > LegalTorrents -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122986&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122986&Section=enclosures>
      > > LegalTorrents - Music -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122983&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122983&Section=enclosures>
      > > LegalTorrents - Books -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122984&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122984&Section=enclosures>
      > > LegalTorrents - Movies -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122985&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122985&Section=enclosures>
      > > Velouria -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=129904&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=129904&Section=enclosures>
      > > DownloadRadio -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=157802&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=157802&Section=enclosures>
      > > #gamemp3s Releases -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=159788&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=159788&Section=enclosures>
      > > unmediated -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=175887&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=175887&Section=enclosures>
      > > Adam Curry: torrents -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=187240&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=187240&Section=enclosures>
      > > bt.etree.org -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=190019&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=190019&Section=enclosures>
      > > Not Work Safe Radio -
      > > http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=202620&Section=enclosures
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=202620&Section=enclosures>
      > >
      > > Jeff;
      > >
      > > (Blogged at http://www.syndic8.com/~jeff/blog/index.php?p=130)
      > > <http://www.syndic8.com/%7Ejeff/blog/index.php?p=130%29>
      >
      > >
      > > David Janes wrote:
      > >
      > > > I've had several requests for adding BitTorrent support to my
      > > > podcasting clients (Sparks! and Jäger) and this week I decided to
      > > have
      > > > a crack at the problem. And, after searching through a few feeds, ...
      > > > well, no one seems to be really using it. In the one one feed I
      > > found,
      > > > the tracker was dead.
      > > >
      > > > I have a few questions for anyone doing podcasts, if you have a few
      > > > seconds:
      > > >
      > > > - are you using BitTorrent?
      > > > - have you _tried_ use to BitTorrent?
      > > > - has it made a bandwidth difference?
      > > > - would you like it to?
      > > >
      > > > These are leading questions, of course. I'm trying to decide whether
      > > > to devote a lot of effort into doing a good BitTorrent integration or
      > > > whether to work further on an alternative approach that may be more
      > > > suitable for the podcasting environment. I've done a little
      > > testing of
      > > > an automatic mirroring system that looks promising, but the
      > > devil's in
      > > > the details in these projects.
      > > >
      > > > Regards, etc...
      > > > David
      > > > http://sparks.blogmatrix.com
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    • Bill Zegarski
      The Hacker/Thief thing exists as long as the only prominent uses for bit torrent include things like file sharing on sites like Suprnova.com. If podcasters
      Message 2 of 12 , Jan 2, 2005
        The "Hacker/Thief" thing exists as long as the only prominent uses for
        bit torrent include things like file sharing on sites like Suprnova.com.
        If podcasters use torrent, it can only help torrent's rep.
        Along these lines, it bugs me to no end to hear Phil on the engadget
        podcast constantly, and exclusively use "bit torrent" to refer to music
        and movie piracy.
        If the podcatching clients integrate bit torrent properly, a user
        shouldn't care if he is downloading the mp3 or the torrent, the
        completed podcast should just show up. Form a content producer
        standpoint, I think it would be advantageous to allow the client to not
        only download the torrents, but be available to upload as part of a
        swarm. that would prevent the possibility of someone going to an
        archive, and only finding one source of the file. Just my $.02 from a
        user trying to party with developers.
        Bill

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Harold Johnson [mailto:harold.johnson@...]
        Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:47 AM
        To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [podcasters] BitTorrent and Podcasters


        I'm not worried about the "hacker/thief" stigma so much as I'm worried
        about usability. Explaining podcasting to newcomers is difficult
        enough; having to explain how to add Bittorrent to the mix is an
        exercise in futility. I'm still trying to explain to myself how I
        could use it...

        Harold J. Johnson
        HYPERLINK
        "http://SomethingthatHappened.com"http://SomethingthatHappened.com


        On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:29:33 -0800, Jeff Barr <jeff@...>
        wrote:
        > Well, I think there are already a lot of "moving parts" and people
        are
        > not yet ready or comfortable enough with what's there to add yet
        another
        > part to the mix. Speaking for myself, I have been a developer and
        user
        > for almost 30 years and I see some of this as just a bit too complex
        to
        > make it worthwhile. There's also a somewhat negative "hacker/thief"
        > perception around the entire concept of a torrent.
        >
        > Jeff;
        >
        > David Janes wrote:
        >
        > > Ah, thank you -- that's a very useful feature.
        > >
        > > It's very interesting that the vast majority of podcasters aren't
        > > using BT given the large # of complaints about bandwidth! Why? is
        the
        > > question...
        > >
        > > Regards, etc...
        > > David
        > > HYPERLINK
        "http://sparks.blogmatrix.com"http://sparks.blogmatrix.com
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: Jeff Barr
        > > To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:55 AM
        > > Subject: Re: [podcasters] BitTorrent and Podcasters
        > >
        > >
        > > Syndic8 is now tracking feeds with enclosures, so I did a quick
        scan to
        > > find some feeds where the main type of enclosure was a torrent.
        Here
        > > are
        > > the results. Each link points to the feed's home page on Syndic8.
        If
        > > you
        > > scroll down a bit you will see the "Enclosures" tab, where you
        can see
        > > what's inside. Each page has a "Data URL" (the feed) for
        subscription
        > > purposes.
        > >
        > > LegalTorrents -
        > > HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122986&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122986&Section=enclosures
        > > <HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122986&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122986&Section=enclosures>
        > > LegalTorrents - Music -
        > > HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122983&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122983&Section=enclosures
        > > <HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122983&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122983&Section=enclosures>
        > > LegalTorrents - Books -
        > > HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122984&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122984&Section=enclosures
        > > <HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122984&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122984&Section=enclosures>
        > > LegalTorrents - Movies -
        > > HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122985&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122985&Section=enclosures
        > > <HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122985&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=122985&Section=enclosures>
        > > Velouria -
        > > HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=129904&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=129904&Section=enclosures
        > > <HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=129904&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=129904&Section=enclosures>
        > > DownloadRadio -
        > > HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=157802&Section=enclosures"ht
        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=157802&Section=enclosures
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        tp://www.syndic8.com/feedinfo.php?FeedID=159788&Section=enclosures>
        > > unmediated -
        > > HYPERLINK
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        > > Adam Curry: torrents -
        > > HYPERLINK
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        > > HYPERLINK
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        > >
        > > Jeff;
        > >
        > > (Blogged at HYPERLINK
        "http://www.syndic8.com/~jeff/blog/index.php?p=130)"http://www.syndic8.c
        om/~jeff/blog/index.php?p=130)
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        >
        > >
        > > David Janes wrote:
        > >
        > > > I've had several requests for adding BitTorrent support to my
        > > > podcasting clients (Sparks! and Jäger) and this week I decided
        to
        > > have
        > > > a crack at the problem. And, after searching through a few
        feeds, ...
        > > > well, no one seems to be really using it. In the one one feed I

        > > found,
        > > > the tracker was dead.
        > > >
        > > > I have a few questions for anyone doing podcasts, if you have a
        few
        > > > seconds:
        > > >
        > > > - are you using BitTorrent?
        > > > - have you _tried_ use to BitTorrent?
        > > > - has it made a bandwidth difference?
        > > > - would you like it to?
        > > >
        > > > These are leading questions, of course. I'm trying to decide
        whether
        > > > to devote a lot of effort into doing a good BitTorrent
        integration or
        > > > whether to work further on an alternative approach that may be
        more
        > > > suitable for the podcasting environment. I've done a little
        > > testing of
        > > > an automatic mirroring system that looks promising, but the
        > > devil's in
        > > > the details in these projects.
        > > >
        > > > Regards, etc...
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      • Andrew Baron
        I agree, this bittorrent model is so great and smooth for delivering content over the internet, in terms of the back-end problems of keeping the internet
        Message 3 of 12 , Jan 2, 2005
          I agree, this bittorrent model is so great and smooth for delivering
          content over the internet, in terms of the back-end problems of
          keeping the internet flowing smoothly as more and more rich media
          moves online and has nothing whatsoever to do with inherent theft or
          copyright infringement. It's also a perfect solution right now to
          address podcasters (and videocasters, thank you very much, henceforth
          then together: casters?) bandwidth problems. It's also perfect because
          casters have a model that implies a regular audience that downloads a
          work at the same time (when the xml doc has been updated).

          The only problem right now is that it is so new and has received such
          little development, its difficult to use, just like RSS was in it's
          first days. People are working now at integrating bittorrent into
          casting so it will be transparent. When you upload your .mp3 or .mov
          file, your blog software will automatically create and seed a torrent.

          To make it easy for you now, the best solutions to this date I have
          seen are Prodigem and Blogtorrent. Try Blogtorrent. If your sever is
          PHP ready, all you need to be able to do technically, is ftp to your
          sever, upload some files, change a couple of CHMOD settings on your
          folder and thats it. That should take you about 5 minutes max.

          As an example, I recently put up a bittorrent on my site with tsunami
          videos and as I write this, I have 25 people seeding it right now:
          http://a.parsons.edu/~baron/torrents/

          If you want an even easier solution than blogtorrent (<-which is
          stellar for ease factor and endless space/config), take up that offer
          from Gary at Prodigem instead. He sent us [podcast list] an invitation
          awhile back for a free account. I took him up on this and you can have
          torrents up and running in one sitting: gary at lerhaupt dot com.

          As of this time, my bittorrent on Prodigem has had 143 complete d/l
          and currently has 6 seeders:
          http://www.torrentocracy.com/prodigem/details.php?id=151

          These are beautiful examples of how tsunami videos have spread through
          the internet, effecting it as a whole. While everyone d/l them, the
          backed is working cleanly and smoothly. The bandwidth is shared so the
          source is not destroyed from bandwidth problems.

          I'm on a bittorrent kick right now with everyone I know because I feel
          like I see some problems ahead for the Internet as demands for media
          online quickly outpaces the internet's ability to keep up with it.
          Wouldnt you like to use less compression on your audio files? Why not
          release your mp3 podcast as is, but also add a bittorent with a high
          quiality 16bit, 44khz stereo file? For that matter, why not make it
          48khz, 24bit?

          Casters are a small enough crowd, yet large enough to set a standard,
          that we can get the rest of the internet going with torrents. If you
          are willing to spend an afternoon diving into this, you may get
          discouraged and abandon. But if you just give it one more afternoon
          after a nice little break away from it, I think most people will get it.

          Cheers,
          Andrew

          Bill Zegarski wrote:

          > The "Hacker/Thief" thing exists as long as the only prominent uses for
          > bit torrent include things like file sharing on sites like Suprnova.com.
          > If podcasters use torrent, it can only help torrent's rep.
          > Along these lines, it bugs me to no end to hear Phil on the engadget
          > podcast constantly, and exclusively use "bit torrent" to refer to music
          > and movie piracy.
          > If the podcatching clients integrate bit torrent properly, a user
          > shouldn't care if he is downloading the mp3 or the torrent, the
          > completed podcast should just show up. Form a content producer
          > standpoint, I think it would be advantageous to allow the client to not
          > only download the torrents, but be available to upload as part of a
          > swarm. that would prevent the possibility of someone going to an
          > archive, and only finding one source of the file. Just my $.02 from a
          > user trying to party with developers.
          > Bill
          >
          >
        • Jake Ludington
          ... The current limitation is standardization on a 10+year-old compression technology. When MP3 was created, it was the best compression available. Now, AAC
          Message 4 of 12 , Jan 2, 2005
            > I'm on a bittorrent kick right now with everyone I know because I feel
            > like I see some problems ahead for the Internet as demands for media
            > online quickly outpaces the internet's ability to keep up with it.
            > Wouldnt you like to use less compression on your audio files? Why not
            > release your mp3 podcast as is, but also add a bittorent with a high
            > quiality 16bit, 44khz stereo file? For that matter, why not make it
            > 48khz, 24bit?

            The current limitation is standardization on a 10+year-old compression
            technology. When MP3 was created, it was the best compression available.
            Now, AAC and WMA are kicking its butt, but due to Apple's refusal to party
            with all the other portable player manufacturers we are forced to choose an
            inferior format for distribution. I realize I'm opening myself up for attack
            by finger-pointing at Apple, but they are the most likely target. Many of
            the other player manufacturers support OGG, FLAC, and other traditionally
            open file formats in addition to WMA. They don't support AAC primarily
            because the main source for AAC audio content is iTunes Music Store, which
            is not compatible with an non-iPod player. If either AAC or WMA (or both)
            were to replace MP3 as the primary podcast format two important things would
            happen:

            1) Audio quality would go up without an increase in file size.
            2) File sizes would decrease dramatically at quality levels comparable to
            what is currently available.

            Jake
          • Harold Johnson
            I think we re going to be seeing MP3 continue to dominate this space for awhile, at least until, as you say, Apple opens up AAC files or until another file
            Message 5 of 12 , Jan 2, 2005
              I think we're going to be seeing MP3 continue to dominate this space
              for awhile, at least until, as you say, Apple opens up AAC files or
              until another file format comes along. I haven't used Ogg much; is it
              superior in audio quality to MP3 at an equivalent file size? And what
              about mp3PRO? I've had great results with mp3PRO, which reduces the
              file size considerably while maintaining good sound quality; the only
              problem is that its owner/original developer wants too much money for
              anyone to use it, which is why only a few audioheads use it.

              Harold

              On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:40:00 -0800, Jake Ludington
              <jake@...> wrote:

              > The current limitation is standardization on a 10+year-old compression
              > technology. When MP3 was created, it was the best compression available.
              > Now, AAC and WMA are kicking its butt, but due to Apple's refusal to party
              > with all the other portable player manufacturers we are forced to choose an
              > inferior format for distribution. I realize I'm opening myself up for
              > attack
              > by finger-pointing at Apple, but they are the most likely target. Many of
              > the other player manufacturers support OGG, FLAC, and other traditionally
              > open file formats in addition to WMA. They don't support AAC primarily
              > because the main source for AAC audio content is iTunes Music Store, which
              > is not compatible with an non-iPod player. If either AAC or WMA (or both)
              > were to replace MP3 as the primary podcast format two important things
              > would
              > happen:
              >
              > 1) Audio quality would go up without an increase in file size.
              > 2) File sizes would decrease dramatically at quality levels comparable to
              > what is currently available.
              >
              > Jake
              >
              >
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            • David Janes
              One issue I see with BitTorrent is that it s great for when there s a ton of downloaders, but not so great after the downloads have completed since there ll be
              Message 6 of 12 , Jan 4, 2005
                One issue I see with BitTorrent is that it's great for when there's a ton of downloaders, but not so great after the downloads have completed since there'll be fewer -- perhaps even _no_ -- peers to contect to.

                The other issue, and this is related to the complexity problem is that a "seed downloader" and a "tracker" are needed (in addition to the ".torrent" file). I've been playing with several ideas to simplify this process, but I'm not satisfied with anything I've come up with yet:

                - allow for "self-seeding" clients, where the original file is available as well as the .torrent. If an insufficient number of peer downloaders are available, the client will self-seed by downloading byte-ranges from the original file
                - allowing transparent access to the .torrent by sending a HTTP request header "X-Mirror-Accept: torrent" with the request to the original file. If a torrent is available, the torrent info will be sent back instead of the file itself. On a "smart server" (i.e. with an extra Apache Module) the .torrent file would be generated as needed, meaing the originally poster doesn't need to know how to make .torrent files
                - coupled with the above ideas, allowing "trackerless" .torrents; the client applications would "fill in" their own tracker based on the client application. Unfortunately, the record companies suing tracker providers make this a risky choice.

                Another option would be to come up with a simpler mirroring technology, where clients willing to provide upload bandwith would serve parts of the the file. I've played a little with this, but it may be a bottomless pit of work to implement.

                Regards, etc...
                David
                http://sparks.blogmatrix.com

                PS. Thanks for all this information below ... very useful indeed.
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Andrew Baron
                To: podcasters@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:20 PM
                Subject: [podcasters] Re: BitTorrent and Podcasters



                I agree, this bittorrent model is so great and smooth for delivering
                content over the internet, in terms of the back-end problems of
                keeping the internet flowing smoothly as more and more rich media
                moves online and has nothing whatsoever to do with inherent theft or
                copyright infringement. It's also a perfect solution right now to
                address podcasters (and videocasters, thank you very much, henceforth
                then together: casters?) bandwidth problems. It's also perfect because
                casters have a model that implies a regular audience that downloads a
                work at the same time (when the xml doc has been updated).

                The only problem right now is that it is so new and has received such
                little development, its difficult to use, just like RSS was in it's
                first days. People are working now at integrating bittorrent into
                casting so it will be transparent. When you upload your .mp3 or .mov
                file, your blog software will automatically create and seed a torrent.

                To make it easy for you now, the best solutions to this date I have
                seen are Prodigem and Blogtorrent. Try Blogtorrent. If your sever is
                PHP ready, all you need to be able to do technically, is ftp to your
                sever, upload some files, change a couple of CHMOD settings on your
                folder and thats it. That should take you about 5 minutes max.

                As an example, I recently put up a bittorrent on my site with tsunami
                videos and as I write this, I have 25 people seeding it right now:
                http://a.parsons.edu/~baron/torrents/

                If you want an even easier solution than blogtorrent (<-which is
                stellar for ease factor and endless space/config), take up that offer
                from Gary at Prodigem instead. He sent us [podcast list] an invitation
                awhile back for a free account. I took him up on this and you can have
                torrents up and running in one sitting: gary at lerhaupt dot com.

                As of this time, my bittorrent on Prodigem has had 143 complete d/l
                and currently has 6 seeders:
                http://www.torrentocracy.com/prodigem/details.php?id=151

                These are beautiful examples of how tsunami videos have spread through
                the internet, effecting it as a whole. While everyone d/l them, the
                backed is working cleanly and smoothly. The bandwidth is shared so the
                source is not destroyed from bandwidth problems.

                I'm on a bittorrent kick right now with everyone I know because I feel
                like I see some problems ahead for the Internet as demands for media
                online quickly outpaces the internet's ability to keep up with it.
                Wouldnt you like to use less compression on your audio files? Why not
                release your mp3 podcast as is, but also add a bittorent with a high
                quiality 16bit, 44khz stereo file? For that matter, why not make it
                48khz, 24bit?

                Casters are a small enough crowd, yet large enough to set a standard,
                that we can get the rest of the internet going with torrents. If you
                are willing to spend an afternoon diving into this, you may get
                discouraged and abandon. But if you just give it one more afternoon
                after a nice little break away from it, I think most people will get it.

                Cheers,
                Andrew

                Bill Zegarski wrote:

                > The "Hacker/Thief" thing exists as long as the only prominent uses for
                > bit torrent include things like file sharing on sites like Suprnova.com.
                > If podcasters use torrent, it can only help torrent's rep.
                > Along these lines, it bugs me to no end to hear Phil on the engadget
                > podcast constantly, and exclusively use "bit torrent" to refer to music
                > and movie piracy.
                > If the podcatching clients integrate bit torrent properly, a user
                > shouldn't care if he is downloading the mp3 or the torrent, the
                > completed podcast should just show up. Form a content producer
                > standpoint, I think it would be advantageous to allow the client to not
                > only download the torrents, but be available to upload as part of a
                > swarm. that would prevent the possibility of someone going to an
                > archive, and only finding one source of the file. Just my $.02 from a
                > user trying to party with developers.
                > Bill
                >
                >





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              • Vince Callaway
                This is a good discussion. Distribution of content is going to become critical. I can actually forsee a service popping up for casters that provides a
                Message 7 of 12 , Jan 4, 2005
                  This is a good discussion. Distribution of content is
                  going to become critical.

                  I can actually forsee a service popping up for casters
                  that provides a tracker, archive and distributed
                  seeds. Setting it up would be trivial, but very
                  useful.

                  My current plan is to have a tracker and a seed on a
                  friends dsl. My own dsl would also have a seed.
                  Neither of us has high upload speed, but the torrent
                  downloader will pull from both of us and any others
                  that are on at the same time.

                  I currently have Asureus running and pull four
                  different shows with the rss plugin. Some of the u/d
                  ratios are as high as 30:1. This tells me that
                  torrents are something people use to get the files.

                  This would certianly be a good topic for a show.



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