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Hello Lance, Good to hear from you after all this time. During the hiatus, my analysis of this dialogue, completed after thirty years of study, has finally seen the light of day. The title (somewhat imposed upon me by the editors), is "Plato's Republic as

Hello Bernard, Yes, I could show you what fundamental point we miss, but this is a slow reading group and not a forum for the discussion of already completed analyses. It is standard scientific practice to begin with what is the case and not with what we

Hello Frank, Socrates' narrative is an essential layer in the complex structure of this particular dialogue. A translation that removes something so fundamental deprives the reader from fully understanding what the dialogue is about. There are dialogues

What I wrote makes sense to me too :) Bernard, you say that under the influence of Plato et al., politeia has come to signify mainly political constitution, so I take it that you mean that politeia originally pertained both to political and psychic

Just for the record, in my opinion, the work is not about any ideal city. I think we should burn that bridge only when we get to it. --- In plato-republic@^$1, "R Lloyd Mitchell" wrote: > > So, Ivor - > You don't think this work is about the ideal city

Well, if we didn't know for sure whether Plato gave this title or not, it would still be worth considering the title to attempt to establish why someone very early on gave the dialogue this title. Knowing for sure that Plato gave this title would require a

Indeed. "Either ... or..." smacks of eristics. I did not claim that the dialogue is either about political constitutions or about psychic constitutions. I claimed that it is about psychic constitutions, and that the political constitutions are introduced

What I wrote (abhorrent to the life and customs of humans) is a translation of Cicero's text. It does not reflect my own opinion which I have not expressed here. Your point is well taken and I agree with it. Let us not state at the outset anything about

It would be good to know more about how teaching took place on Plato's property (his house and/or garden, not to be confused with the nearby Academy, the ground on which stood a gymnasium, among other things). Our evidence extends to one lecture given by

Not considering the title at all would have been negligent, and I support Lance's decision to devote a thread to it. This said, I agree with Bernard that working out the meaning of Politeia as if it might throw light upon the main subject of the dialogue