Re: [pinoy_atheists] Re: Religion, homophobia and neutering identities
- "Have anyone seen homosexual lizard?"
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Mitochondria <gewdlooking@...> wrote:
> My take on this is very short:
> Homosexuality is a conscious behavior (doesn't matter whether
> voluntary or not), and no one is born with conscious behaviour. This
> is why there is no single record of any homosexuality that belongs to
> non-social animals.
> Have anyone seen homosexual lizard?
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- yea, kinsey scale! =D
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Romeo Macapobre <romeo.macapobre@...>
> kinseys scale? - sexuality is a spectrum?[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 2008/7/8 jose mario sison <joma_sison@... <joma_sison%40yahoo.com>>:
> > hi JJ,
> > i guess, what you suppose is close to what i believe. Nakakainis, kasi
> > ang laking debate pa ito.
> > In general, andyan na ang tendency (merong 10% 50% 80%). Meron bata pa
> > nakakitaan na kahit anong pang-gugulpi ng sundalong tatay. meron din
> > kamadyong dito na mama-san who all his life sabi nya strikto sya at di
> > alam na bading sya. ayun 55 na sya ng bumigay.
> > pero lahat yan ay speculation ko lang. alam mo na, mas mabuti na ang
> > tumataya kesa mag miron lang.
> > nice meeting you bro.
> > joma
> > bebemomoy <jay.jay.garcia@... <jay.jay.garcia%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org <pinoy_atheists%40yahoogroups.com>,
> jose mario sison
> > <joma_sison@...> wrote:
> >> hi jayjay!
> >> Kinarir mo si Gil, ha?
> >> Tell us what you think (nature or nurture?)
> >> joma
> > haha, i know right? =D na-stress nga ako eh...
> > human sexuality is a spectrum, i don't remember who said it but it's
> > in psych.
> > i think there is a degree of predisposition to homosexual behavior in
> > every person. some less predisposed, some more. in this respect, we
> > can say that nature plays a part.
> > so that the attraction that a man feels for another man is not a
> > result of his "decisions or considerations". but a result of his
> > biology. in the same way that a "straight" man is more attracted to a
> > woman. he doesn't "decide" to be attracted to women, he just is
> > "built" to be more attracted to the opposite sex. in some cases, one
> > can be almost equally attracted to both sexes.
> > sure, nurture also plays a part -- in a way that it doesn't really
> > change "who you already are" but instead just reinforces or alters
> > your social and sexual behavior.
> > and so, to live one's life as a gay man or gay woman, with all its
> > social implications etc, is i think the part where decisions and
> > considerations play a part.
> > but again, (i feel like i need to stress this every time) nurture
> > doesn't change a person and where he/she lies in the sexual
> > predisposition spectrum. it just changes his behavior.
> > this was my problem with the previous poster, perhaps it was just
> > because i didn't find the thoughts very coherent or it's just a
> > problem with semantics. probably both. (it's really important to
> > phrase properly.)
> > i saw this report on "60 minutes" on CBS where one of the twins is
> > living as a straight man while the other twin is living as a gay man.
> > they grew up together, all social factors (nurture) are the same for
> > both. so what was the cause of the disparity? ;)
> > the problem with nurture proponents, and this is where misleading
> > occurs especially when coming from the christian right, is that they
> > do not afford due merit to the nature argument which can be and have
> > been proven. they make it sound like it's all about one's "decision".
> > i don't need to tell what the legal and social implications of that.
> > da vah? =D
> > jj
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