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Re: [pinoy_atheists] Re: Religion, homophobia and neutering identities

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  • joyfulchicken
    Have anyone seen homosexual lizard? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals#Lizards :-P ... [Non-text portions of this message have been
    Message 1 of 40 , Jul 4, 2008
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      "Have anyone seen homosexual lizard?"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals#Lizards :-P


      On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Mitochondria <gewdlooking@...> wrote:

      > My take on this is very short:
      >
      > Homosexuality is a conscious behavior (doesn't matter whether
      > voluntary or not), and no one is born with conscious behaviour. This
      > is why there is no single record of any homosexuality that belongs to
      > non-social animals.
      >
      > Have anyone seen homosexual lizard?
      >
      > LOL
      >
      > Cheers!
      >
      > -gil
      >


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    • jj garcia
      yea, kinsey scale! =D On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Romeo Macapobre ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      Message 40 of 40 , Jul 8, 2008
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        yea, kinsey scale! =D


        On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Romeo Macapobre <romeo.macapobre@...>
        wrote:

        > kinseys scale? - sexuality is a spectrum?
        >
        > 2008/7/8 jose mario sison <joma_sison@... <joma_sison%40yahoo.com>>:
        >
        > > hi JJ,
        > > i guess, what you suppose is close to what i believe. Nakakainis, kasi
        > nga
        > > ang laking debate pa ito.
        > >
        > > In general, andyan na ang tendency (merong 10% 50% 80%). Meron bata pa
        > lang
        > > nakakitaan na kahit anong pang-gugulpi ng sundalong tatay. meron din
        > akong
        > > kamadyong dito na mama-san who all his life sabi nya strikto sya at di
        > nya
        > > alam na bading sya. ayun 55 na sya ng bumigay.
        > >
        > > pero lahat yan ay speculation ko lang. alam mo na, mas mabuti na ang
        > > tumataya kesa mag miron lang.
        > >
        > > nice meeting you bro.
        > >
        > > joma
        > >
        > > bebemomoy <jay.jay.garcia@... <jay.jay.garcia%40gmail.com>> wrote:
        > >
        > > --- In pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com <pinoy_atheists%40yahoogroups.com>,
        > jose mario sison
        > > <joma_sison@...> wrote:
        > >>
        > >> hi jayjay!
        > >> Kinarir mo si Gil, ha?
        > >> Tell us what you think (nature or nurture?)
        > >>
        > >> joma
        > >>
        > >
        > > haha, i know right? =D na-stress nga ako eh...
        > >
        > > human sexuality is a spectrum, i don't remember who said it but it's
        > > in psych.
        > > i think there is a degree of predisposition to homosexual behavior in
        > > every person. some less predisposed, some more. in this respect, we
        > > can say that nature plays a part.
        > >
        > > so that the attraction that a man feels for another man is not a
        > > result of his "decisions or considerations". but a result of his
        > > biology. in the same way that a "straight" man is more attracted to a
        > > woman. he doesn't "decide" to be attracted to women, he just is
        > > "built" to be more attracted to the opposite sex. in some cases, one
        > > can be almost equally attracted to both sexes.
        > >
        > > sure, nurture also plays a part -- in a way that it doesn't really
        > > change "who you already are" but instead just reinforces or alters
        > > your social and sexual behavior.
        > >
        > > and so, to live one's life as a gay man or gay woman, with all its
        > > social implications etc, is i think the part where decisions and
        > > considerations play a part.
        > >
        > > but again, (i feel like i need to stress this every time) nurture
        > > doesn't change a person and where he/she lies in the sexual
        > > predisposition spectrum. it just changes his behavior.
        > >
        > > this was my problem with the previous poster, perhaps it was just
        > > because i didn't find the thoughts very coherent or it's just a
        > > problem with semantics. probably both. (it's really important to
        > > phrase properly.)
        > >
        > > i saw this report on "60 minutes" on CBS where one of the twins is
        > > living as a straight man while the other twin is living as a gay man.
        > > they grew up together, all social factors (nurture) are the same for
        > > both. so what was the cause of the disparity? ;)
        > >
        > > the problem with nurture proponents, and this is where misleading
        > > occurs especially when coming from the christian right, is that they
        > > do not afford due merit to the nature argument which can be and have
        > > been proven. they make it sound like it's all about one's "decision".
        > > i don't need to tell what the legal and social implications of that.
        > >
        > > da vah? =D
        > >
        > > jj
        > >
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        > >
        > >
        >
        > --
        > apprenons francais [rmacapobre-french.blogspot.com].
        > apprenons max [rmacapobre.blogspot.com].
        >
        >


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