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  • Sundee Guevara
    Marilou, You are, as they say, a closet atheist. Still afraid to come out because of the repercussions it would cause to your friends and family. But you re
    Message 1 of 27 , Mar 27, 2011
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      Marilou,

      You are, as they say, a closet atheist. Still afraid to come out because of
      the repercussions it would cause to your friends and family.

      But you're smarter than that. Eventually you'll have to tell them you don't
      want to go because you don't believe. And at the end of the day, you have to
      be honest with yourself.

      So if they ask you: "What? You don't believe? Why? Are you an atheist?"

      Just tell them: "Yes, I am! " and be proud of it.



      On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>wrote:

      >
      >
      > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
      > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
      > because I don't want to be out.
      > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
      >
      >
      >



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    • Naiyak Pa
      That s what I want to do! I ve been an atheist for about 3 years ago but still I can t shout for it.Some of my closest friends knew about it and they accepted
      Message 2 of 27 , Mar 27, 2011
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        That's what I want to do! I've been an atheist for about 3 years ago but still I
        can't shout for it.Some of my closest friends knew about it and they accepted
        me. But I really can't tell that I am an atheist to my family because they will
        just laugh at me and they will keep on asking me why and I hate to explain
        because they will never understand. I love myself, I love being an atheist. I
        hate the people around me that keep on telling me to change and be back to being
        a real Catholic because they thought that atheists were evils. I really hate
        criticism.



        ________________________________
        From: Sundee Guevara <spyglass88@...>
        To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 6:06:10 PM
        Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

        Marilou,

        You are, as they say, a closet atheist. Still afraid to come out because of
        the repercussions it would cause to your friends and family.

        But you're smarter than that. Eventually you'll have to tell them you don't
        want to go because you don't believe. And at the end of the day, you have to
        be honest with yourself.

        So if they ask you: "What? You don't believe? Why? Are you an atheist?"

        Just tell them: "Yes, I am! " and be proud of it.



        On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>wrote:

        >
        >
        > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
        > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
        > because I don't want to be out.
        > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
        >
        >
        >



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      • Osama
        This is where you have to make what maybe called ; the (sanity) stand ; 1- you are praying for whom ? for what ?remember it is an advantage to be out from the
        Message 3 of 27 , Mar 27, 2011
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          This is where you have to make what maybe called ; the (sanity) stand ;
          1- you are praying for whom ? for what ?remember it is an advantage to be
          out from the morons groups or morons nets , the issue of superior good power
          was decided in the 16th century , there are only scientists , engineers ,
          inventors ..etc...who take positive steps concerning humanity ; their
          efforts are concluded in human rights activists , are you praying for
          those..?another issue is that ; there maybe superior power but biased to
          whom..?


          On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>wrote:

          >
          >
          > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
          > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
          > because I don't want to be out.
          > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
          >
          >
          >



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        • jose mario sison
          haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan. ... From: Marilou Bomediano Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW? To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
          Message 4 of 27 , Mar 27, 2011
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            haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.



            --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:

            From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
            Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
            To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM
















             









            How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?

            I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there because I don't want to be out.

            But I still don't pray even if im in the church.

















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          • Naiyak Pa
            paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap nga dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat. ________________________________
            Message 5 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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              paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap nga
              dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.




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              From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
              To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
              Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


              haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.

              --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:

              From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
              Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
              To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM



              How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?

              I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
              because I don't want to be out.

              But I still don't pray even if im in the church.

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            • joma_sison@yahoo.com
              Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes & look at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa. Hinde mo sila niloloko but you
              Message 6 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes & look at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.

                Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is right.

                Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.



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                -----Original Message-----
                From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap nga
                dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.




                ________________________________
                From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.

                --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:

                From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM



                How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?

                I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                because I don't want to be out.

                But I still don't pray even if im in the church.

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              • Naiyak Pa
                Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam kung susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para bang hindi
                Message 7 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                  Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam kung
                  susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para bang hindi
                  ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili ko
                  narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama kapag
                  pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun pa nga
                  lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag nalaman
                  nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa simbahan ay
                  talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama ka sa
                  sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para raw
                  akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong pakialam
                  kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.



                  ________________________________
                  From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                  To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                  Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                  Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes & look
                  at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.


                  Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is right.

                  Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.



                  Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                  Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                  To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                  Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                  paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap nga
                  dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.




                  ________________________________
                  From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                  To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                  Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                  haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.

                  --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:

                  From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                  Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                  To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM



                  How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?

                  I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                  because I don't want to be out.

                  But I still don't pray even if im in the church.

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                • Matthew Munoz
                  I won t sugarcoat. Talagang magiging mahirap ang iyong kalagayan kapag ibubunyag mo ang iyong pagiging atheist. Mas lalo na t nakikita ko sa iyong kuwento e
                  Message 8 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                    I won't sugarcoat. Talagang magiging mahirap ang iyong kalagayan kapag
                    ibubunyag mo ang iyong pagiging atheist. Mas lalo na't nakikita ko sa iyong
                    kuwento e mga borderline extreme religious-type ang iyong mga kamag-anak.
                    Ilang taon mo na ba? Ikaw ba'y nag-aaral pa lang o may trabaho na? Tingin
                    ko'y napaka-importanteng ikonsidera ang mga ito sa iyong magiging desisyon
                    kung paano, saan at kailan mo ipapaalam na ikaw ay isang atheist (kung plano
                    mo mang ipaalam).


                    2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>

                    >
                    >
                    > Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam
                    > kung
                    > susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para bang
                    > hindi
                    > ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili
                    > ko
                    > narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama
                    > kapag
                    > pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun pa
                    > nga
                    > lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag
                    > nalaman
                    > nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa
                    > simbahan ay
                    > talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama ka
                    > sa
                    > sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para raw
                    >
                    > akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong
                    > pakialam
                    > kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                    >
                    > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                    >
                    > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                    >
                    > Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes &
                    > look
                    > at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.
                    >
                    > Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is
                    > right.
                    >
                    > Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.
                    >
                    > Sent from my BlackBerry� smartphone provided by mobily
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                    > Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                    > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                    > To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                    >
                    > paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap
                    > nga
                    > dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                    > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                    >
                    > haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.
                    >
                    > --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                    > Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                    > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                    > Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM
                    >
                    > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
                    >
                    > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                    > because I don't want to be out.
                    >
                    > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
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                  • joma_sison@yahoo.com
                    It is not bad at all to go through the motion. Afterall, they are your love ones. It is not right to pangalandakan ang newly-found freedom natin. Let s enjoy
                    Message 9 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                      It is not bad at all to go through the motion. Afterall, they are your love ones. It is not right to "pangalandakan" ang newly-found freedom natin. Let's enjoy it secretly if it will keep peace sa family.
                      Kahit malaman nila na non-religious ka na, keep the family relation on top of priority. That way mapapaabot mo sa kanila na you care 'despite yourself'

                      J
                      Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                      Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:13:41
                      To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                      Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                      Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam kung
                      susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para bang hindi
                      ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili ko
                      narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama kapag
                      pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun pa nga
                      lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag nalaman
                      nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa simbahan ay
                      talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama ka sa
                      sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para raw
                      akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong pakialam
                      kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.



                      ________________________________
                      From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                      To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                      Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                      Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes & look
                      at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.


                      Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is right.

                      Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.



                      Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                      Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                      To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                      Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                      paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap nga
                      dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.




                      ________________________________
                      From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                      To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                      Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                      haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.

                      --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:

                      From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                      Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                      To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM



                      How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?

                      I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                      because I don't want to be out.

                      But I still don't pray even if im in the church.

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                    • Naiyak Pa
                      Hindi naman sila extreme religious type na mga tao po.Sila po ay mga normal na katoliko lamang. Yun nga lang ay sila po ang mga uri ng tao na mababaw ang
                      Message 10 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                        Hindi naman sila extreme religious type na mga tao po.Sila po ay mga normal na
                        katoliko lamang. Yun nga lang ay sila po ang mga uri ng tao na mababaw ang
                        pagtingin sa mga bagay bagay na para bang kapag sinabi kong ako ay atheist ay
                        wala ng tanong tanong pa at itatatak na lang nila sa isip nilang ako ay masamang
                        tao. Nag aaral pa lamang ako, ako po ay nasa edad na 17. Ang plano ko ay sabihin
                        sa kanila ang aking paniniwala kapag ako ay nasa hustong gulang at may trabaho
                        na.



                        ________________________________
                        From: Matthew Munoz <matthew.g.munoz@...>
                        To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:19:27 PM
                        Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                        I won't sugarcoat. Talagang magiging mahirap ang iyong kalagayan kapag
                        ibubunyag mo ang iyong pagiging atheist. Mas lalo na't nakikita ko sa iyong
                        kuwento e mga borderline extreme religious-type ang iyong mga kamag-anak.
                        Ilang taon mo na ba? Ikaw ba'y nag-aaral pa lang o may trabaho na? Tingin
                        ko'y napaka-importanteng ikonsidera ang mga ito sa iyong magiging desisyon
                        kung paano, saan at kailan mo ipapaalam na ikaw ay isang atheist (kung plano
                        mo mang ipaalam).


                        2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>

                        >
                        >
                        > Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam
                        > kung
                        > susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para bang
                        > hindi
                        > ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili
                        > ko
                        > narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama
                        > kapag
                        > pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun pa
                        > nga
                        > lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag
                        > nalaman
                        > nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa
                        > simbahan ay
                        > talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama ka
                        > sa
                        > sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para raw
                        >
                        > akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong
                        > pakialam
                        > kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.
                        >
                        > ________________________________
                        > From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                        >
                        > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                        >
                        > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                        >
                        > Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes &
                        > look
                        > at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.
                        >
                        > Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is
                        > right.
                        >
                        > Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.
                        >
                        > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily
                        >
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                        > Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                        > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                        > To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                        >
                        > paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap
                        > nga
                        > dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.
                        >
                        > ________________________________
                        > From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                        > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                        >
                        > haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.
                        >
                        > --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                        > Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                        > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                        > Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM
                        >
                        > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
                        >
                        > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                        > because I don't want to be out.
                        >
                        > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
                        >
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                      • Naiyak Pa
                        That s very right.Wala naman akong balak na ipagsigawan pa at ipangalandakan ang pagiging atheist ko.Basta when the right time comes masasabi ko rin sa kanila
                        Message 11 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                          That's very right.Wala naman akong balak na ipagsigawan pa at ipangalandakan ang
                          pagiging atheist ko.Basta when the right time comes masasabi ko rin sa kanila
                          ang lahat.



                          ________________________________
                          From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                          To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:22:12 PM
                          Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                          It is not bad at all to go through the motion. Afterall, they are your love
                          ones. It is not right to "pangalandakan" ang newly-found freedom natin. Let's
                          enjoy it secretly if it will keep peace sa family.

                          Kahit malaman nila na non-religious ka na, keep the family relation on top of
                          priority. That way mapapaabot mo sa kanila na you care 'despite yourself'


                          J
                          Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                          Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:13:41
                          To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                          Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                          Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam kung
                          susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para bang hindi

                          ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili ko
                          narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama kapag
                          pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun pa nga
                          lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag nalaman
                          nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa simbahan ay
                          talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama ka sa
                          sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para raw
                          akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong pakialam
                          kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.



                          ________________________________
                          From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                          To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                          Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                          Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes & look
                          at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.


                          Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is right.

                          Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.



                          Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                          Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                          To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                          Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                          paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap nga
                          dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.




                          ________________________________
                          From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                          To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                          Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                          haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.

                          --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:

                          From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                          Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                          To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM



                          How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?

                          I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                          because I don't want to be out.

                          But I still don't pray even if im in the church.

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                        • Michael Muin, MD
                          The Atheist Experience podcast mentioned something similar. If coming out causes you harm or inconveniences you too much, don t. Wait for the right time. If
                          Message 12 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                            The Atheist Experience podcast mentioned something similar. If coming
                            out causes you harm or inconveniences you too much, don't. Wait for
                            the right time.

                            If going through the motion of mass is not a major inconvenience for
                            you right now, then just do it muna. Change your perspective na lang.
                            Think of it as family time. Just spending an hour or two with family.



                            On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:
                            > That's very right.Wala naman akong balak na ipagsigawan pa at ipangalandakan ang
                            > pagiging atheist ko.Basta when the right time comes masasabi ko rin sa kanila
                            > ang lahat.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ________________________________
                            > From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                            > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:22:12 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                            >
                            >
                            > It is not bad at all to go through the motion. Afterall, they are your love
                            > ones. It is not right to "pangalandakan" ang newly-found freedom natin. Let's
                            > enjoy it secretly if it will keep peace sa family.
                            >
                            > Kahit malaman nila na non-religious ka na, keep the family relation on top of
                            > priority. That way mapapaabot mo sa kanila na you care 'despite yourself'
                            >
                            >
                            > J
                            > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily
                            >
                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                            > Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:13:41
                            > To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                            >
                            > Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam kung
                            > susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para bang hindi
                            >
                            > ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili ko
                            > narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama kapag
                            > pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun pa nga
                            > lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag nalaman
                            > nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa simbahan ay
                            > talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama ka sa
                            > sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para raw
                            > akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong pakialam
                            > kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ________________________________
                            > From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                            > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                            >
                            >
                            > Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes & look
                            > at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.
                            >
                            >
                            > Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is right.
                            >
                            > Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily
                            >
                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                            > Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                            > To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                            >
                            > paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap nga
                            > dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ________________________________
                            > From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                            > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                            >
                            >
                            > haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.
                            >
                            > --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                            > Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                            > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
                            >
                            > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                            > because I don't want to be out.
                            >
                            > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
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                            Tama. Konting tiis na lang. Until then, good luck! and Bob bless. :) 2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa ... [Non-text portions of this message have
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                              Tama. Konting tiis na lang. Until then, good luck!

                              and Bob bless. :)

                              2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>

                              >
                              >
                              > Hindi naman sila extreme religious type na mga tao po.Sila po ay mga normal
                              > na
                              > katoliko lamang. Yun nga lang ay sila po ang mga uri ng tao na mababaw ang
                              > pagtingin sa mga bagay bagay na para bang kapag sinabi kong ako ay atheist
                              > ay
                              > wala ng tanong tanong pa at itatatak na lang nila sa isip nilang ako ay
                              > masamang
                              > tao. Nag aaral pa lamang ako, ako po ay nasa edad na 17. Ang plano ko ay
                              > sabihin
                              > sa kanila ang aking paniniwala kapag ako ay nasa hustong gulang at may
                              > trabaho
                              > na.
                              >
                              > ________________________________
                              > From: Matthew Munoz <matthew.g.munoz@...>
                              >
                              > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:19:27 PM
                              >
                              > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                              >
                              > I won't sugarcoat. Talagang magiging mahirap ang iyong kalagayan kapag
                              > ibubunyag mo ang iyong pagiging atheist. Mas lalo na't nakikita ko sa iyong
                              > kuwento e mga borderline extreme religious-type ang iyong mga kamag-anak.
                              > Ilang taon mo na ba? Ikaw ba'y nag-aaral pa lang o may trabaho na? Tingin
                              > ko'y napaka-importanteng ikonsidera ang mga ito sa iyong magiging desisyon
                              > kung paano, saan at kailan mo ipapaalam na ikaw ay isang atheist (kung
                              > plano
                              > mo mang ipaalam).
                              >
                              > 2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                              >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam
                              > > kung
                              > > susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para
                              > bang
                              > > hindi
                              > > ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili
                              > > ko
                              > > narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama
                              > > kapag
                              > > pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun
                              > pa
                              > > nga
                              > > lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag
                              > > nalaman
                              > > nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa
                              > > simbahan ay
                              > > talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama
                              > ka
                              > > sa
                              > > sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para
                              > raw
                              > >
                              > > akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong
                              > > pakialam
                              > > kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.
                              > >
                              > > ________________________________
                              > > From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                              > >
                              > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                              > >
                              > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                              > >
                              > > Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes &
                              > > look
                              > > at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.
                              > >
                              > > Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is
                              > > right.
                              > >
                              > > Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.
                              > >
                              > > Sent from my BlackBerry� smartphone provided by mobily
                              > >
                              > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                              > > Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                              > > To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                              > > Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                              > >
                              > > paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap
                              > > nga
                              > > dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.
                              > >
                              > > ________________________________
                              > > From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                              > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                              > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                              > >
                              > > haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.
                              > >
                              > > --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                              > > Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                              > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM
                              > >
                              > > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
                              > >
                              > > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go
                              > there
                              > > because I don't want to be out.
                              > >
                              > > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
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                            • Naiyak Pa
                              Ganoon na nga lamang po. Kayo po ba paano po ba kayo nagsimulang maging isang atheist? ________________________________ From: Matthew Munoz
                              Message 14 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                                Ganoon na nga lamang po. Kayo po ba paano po ba kayo nagsimulang maging isang
                                atheist?



                                ________________________________
                                From: Matthew Munoz <matthew.g.munoz@...>
                                To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:48:47 PM
                                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                Tama. Konting tiis na lang. Until then, good luck!

                                and Bob bless. :)

                                2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>

                                >
                                >
                                > Hindi naman sila extreme religious type na mga tao po.Sila po ay mga normal
                                > na
                                > katoliko lamang. Yun nga lang ay sila po ang mga uri ng tao na mababaw ang
                                > pagtingin sa mga bagay bagay na para bang kapag sinabi kong ako ay atheist
                                > ay
                                > wala ng tanong tanong pa at itatatak na lang nila sa isip nilang ako ay
                                > masamang
                                > tao. Nag aaral pa lamang ako, ako po ay nasa edad na 17. Ang plano ko ay
                                > sabihin
                                > sa kanila ang aking paniniwala kapag ako ay nasa hustong gulang at may
                                > trabaho
                                > na.
                                >
                                > ________________________________
                                > From: Matthew Munoz <matthew.g.munoz@...>
                                >
                                > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:19:27 PM
                                >
                                > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                >
                                > I won't sugarcoat. Talagang magiging mahirap ang iyong kalagayan kapag
                                > ibubunyag mo ang iyong pagiging atheist. Mas lalo na't nakikita ko sa iyong
                                > kuwento e mga borderline extreme religious-type ang iyong mga kamag-anak.
                                > Ilang taon mo na ba? Ikaw ba'y nag-aaral pa lang o may trabaho na? Tingin
                                > ko'y napaka-importanteng ikonsidera ang mga ito sa iyong magiging desisyon
                                > kung paano, saan at kailan mo ipapaalam na ikaw ay isang atheist (kung
                                > plano
                                > mo mang ipaalam).
                                >
                                > 2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam
                                > > kung
                                > > susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para
                                > bang
                                > > hindi
                                > > ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili
                                > > ko
                                > > narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama
                                > > kapag
                                > > pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun
                                > pa
                                > > nga
                                > > lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag
                                > > nalaman
                                > > nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa
                                > > simbahan ay
                                > > talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama
                                > ka
                                > > sa
                                > > sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para
                                > raw
                                > >
                                > > akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong
                                > > pakialam
                                > > kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.
                                > >
                                > > ________________________________
                                > > From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                                > >
                                > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                                > >
                                > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                > >
                                > > Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes &
                                > > look
                                > > at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.
                                > >
                                > > Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is
                                > > right.
                                > >
                                > > Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.
                                > >
                                > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily
                                > >
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                > > Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                                > > To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                > >
                                > > paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap
                                > > nga
                                > > dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.
                                > >
                                > > ________________________________
                                > > From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                                > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                                > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                > >
                                > > haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.
                                > >
                                > > --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                                > > Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM
                                > >
                                > > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
                                > >
                                > > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go
                                > there
                                > > because I don't want to be out.
                                > >
                                > > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
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                              • Naiyak Pa
                                Yeah I will just wait for the right time. And somehow I believe na mauunawaan naman nila kahit papaano ang kaibahan ng aking paniniwala. Pero yung isang taong
                                Message 15 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                                  Yeah I will just wait for the right time. And somehow I believe na mauunawaan
                                  naman nila kahit papaano ang kaibahan ng aking paniniwala. Pero yung isang taong
                                  mahalagang mahalaga sa akin tinanong ko sya kung halimbawang ako ay isang
                                  Atheist ay matatanggap nya ba ako at sumagot sya ng hindi. Dahil doon ay mas
                                  lalo akong naguluhan.

                                  ________________________________
                                  From: "Michael Muin, MD" <mikemuin@...>
                                  To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:37:13 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                                  The Atheist Experience podcast mentioned something similar. If coming
                                  out causes you harm or inconveniences you too much, don't. Wait for
                                  the right time.

                                  If going through the motion of mass is not a major inconvenience for
                                  you right now, then just do it muna. Change your perspective na lang.
                                  Think of it as family time. Just spending an hour or two with family.

                                  On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:
                                  > That's very right.Wala naman akong balak na ipagsigawan pa at ipangalandakan
                                  >ang
                                  > pagiging atheist ko.Basta when the right time comes masasabi ko rin sa kanila
                                  > ang lahat.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ________________________________
                                  > From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                                  > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:22:12 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > It is not bad at all to go through the motion. Afterall, they are your love
                                  > ones. It is not right to "pangalandakan" ang newly-found freedom natin. Let's
                                  > enjoy it secretly if it will keep peace sa family.
                                  >
                                  > Kahit malaman nila na non-religious ka na, keep the family relation on top of
                                  > priority. That way mapapaabot mo sa kanila na you care 'despite yourself'
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > J
                                  > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily
                                  >
                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                  > From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                  > Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:13:41
                                  > To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                  >
                                  > Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam kung
                                  > susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para bang
                                  >hindi
                                  >
                                  > ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili ko
                                  > narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama kapag
                                  > pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun pa nga
                                  > lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag
                                  nalaman
                                  > nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa simbahan
                                  ay
                                  > talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama ka sa
                                  > sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para raw
                                  > akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong pakialam
                                  > kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ________________________________
                                  > From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                                  > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes & look
                                  > at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is right.
                                  >
                                  > Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily
                                  >
                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                  > From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                  > Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                                  > To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                  >
                                  > paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap nga
                                  > dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ________________________________
                                  > From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                                  > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.
                                  >
                                  > --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                                  > Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                  > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
                                  >
                                  > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                                  > because I don't want to be out.
                                  >
                                  > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
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                                • Matthew Munoz
                                  Mula nung seryosohin ko ang aking pag-aaral sa aking mga science subjects. ;) Grade 2 ata if I recall correctly. Although nalaman na lang ng aking mga magulang
                                  Message 16 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                                    Mula nung seryosohin ko ang aking pag-aaral sa aking mga science subjects.
                                    ;) Grade 2 ata if I recall correctly. Although nalaman na lang ng aking mga
                                    magulang about 7 years ago when I was about 20 or 21. Naging natural naman
                                    yung proseso. Eto kasi yung mga panahong nakakausap ko na sila as adults at
                                    medyo sineseryoso na nila ang iyong mga opinyon at obserbasyon tungkol sa
                                    mundo at life in general. Maayos naman kami ng mga magulang at kapatid ko
                                    ngayon. Masuwerte rin ako at nagkaroon ako ng mga magulang na maunawain at
                                    matalino. Nagsisimba pa rin sila. Sa katunayan nga, active na active ang
                                    aking mga kapatid sa simbahang katoliko. Hindi na nga lang ako yinayayang
                                    magsimba at alam nilang hinding-hindi ako matatalo sa debate kung tangkahin
                                    man nilang ipilit ang kanilang paniniwala sa akin.

                                    :)
                                    2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>

                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Ganoon na nga lamang po. Kayo po ba paano po ba kayo nagsimulang maging
                                    > isang
                                    > atheist?
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ________________________________
                                    > From: Matthew Munoz <matthew.g.munoz@...>
                                    > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:48:47 PM
                                    >
                                    > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                    >
                                    > Tama. Konting tiis na lang. Until then, good luck!
                                    >
                                    > and Bob bless. :)
                                    >
                                    > 2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Hindi naman sila extreme religious type na mga tao po.Sila po ay mga
                                    > normal
                                    > > na
                                    > > katoliko lamang. Yun nga lang ay sila po ang mga uri ng tao na mababaw
                                    > ang
                                    > > pagtingin sa mga bagay bagay na para bang kapag sinabi kong ako ay
                                    > atheist
                                    > > ay
                                    > > wala ng tanong tanong pa at itatatak na lang nila sa isip nilang ako ay
                                    > > masamang
                                    > > tao. Nag aaral pa lamang ako, ako po ay nasa edad na 17. Ang plano ko ay
                                    > > sabihin
                                    > > sa kanila ang aking paniniwala kapag ako ay nasa hustong gulang at may
                                    > > trabaho
                                    > > na.
                                    > >
                                    > > ________________________________
                                    > > From: Matthew Munoz <matthew.g.munoz@...>
                                    > >
                                    > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:19:27 PM
                                    > >
                                    > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                    > >
                                    > > I won't sugarcoat. Talagang magiging mahirap ang iyong kalagayan kapag
                                    > > ibubunyag mo ang iyong pagiging atheist. Mas lalo na't nakikita ko sa
                                    > iyong
                                    > > kuwento e mga borderline extreme religious-type ang iyong mga kamag-anak.
                                    > > Ilang taon mo na ba? Ikaw ba'y nag-aaral pa lang o may trabaho na? Tingin
                                    > > ko'y napaka-importanteng ikonsidera ang mga ito sa iyong magiging
                                    > desisyon
                                    > > kung paano, saan at kailan mo ipapaalam na ikaw ay isang atheist (kung
                                    > > plano
                                    > > mo mang ipaalam).
                                    > >
                                    > > 2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                    > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko
                                    > alam
                                    > > > kung
                                    > > > susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para
                                    > > bang
                                    > > > hindi
                                    > > > ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang
                                    > sarili
                                    > > > ko
                                    > > > narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama
                                    > > > kapag
                                    > > > pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun
                                    > > pa
                                    > > > nga
                                    > > > lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag
                                    > > > nalaman
                                    > > > nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa
                                    > > > simbahan ay
                                    > > > talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama
                                    > > ka
                                    > > > sa
                                    > > > sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para
                                    > > raw
                                    > > >
                                    > > > akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong
                                    > > > pakialam
                                    > > > kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ________________________________
                                    > > > From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                                    > > >
                                    > > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes
                                    > &
                                    > > > look
                                    > > > at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is
                                    > > > right.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Sent from my BlackBerry� smartphone provided by mobily
                                    > > >
                                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                    > > > Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                                    > > > To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo
                                    > mahirap
                                    > > > nga
                                    > > > dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ________________________________
                                    > > > From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                                    > > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                                    > > > Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                    > > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM
                                    > > >
                                    > > > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go
                                    > > there
                                    > > > because I don't want to be out.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
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                                  • Marco
                                    ....huwag kang mag-alala ang pagiging atheist ay di pagpasok sa isang sekta o relihiyon, kaya kahit pumasok ka man sa anong simbahan at gawin ang mga practices
                                    Message 17 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                                      ....huwag kang mag-alala ang pagiging atheist ay di pagpasok sa isang sekta o relihiyon, kaya kahit pumasok ka man sa anong simbahan at gawin ang mga practices nila dahil sa pakikisama ay ok lang...di ka naman nagkakasala at sa tingin ko walang guilty feelings doon, di tulad ng mga kristyano o ibang nasa relihiyon kapag pumasok sila sa ibang simbahan o sambahan..nagdarasal at humihingi ng kapatawaran sa kanilang panginoon (seloso kasi ang kanilang diyos hehehe)....ang punto ko dito, tama ang mga sinabi dito na konting tiis lang, na sa tamang oras at panahon ang paglalantad mo ng iyong tamang pananaw para di naman masira ang samahan ninyo ng iyong pamilya dahil lang sa paniniwala, basta sa sarili mo alam mo kung ano ang side mo.... sarili mo lang kalaban mo sa ganito, kasi oras at panahon mo ang nasasayang. At sana dumating din ang panahon para tumayo at panindigan ang iyong tamang pananaw, hayaan mo at HINDI KA NAGIISA:)
                                    • Osama
                                      Members of most of these organizations have these symptoms ; partial brain damage has been noticed and confirmed concerning those (“agents”/members), (some
                                      Message 18 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                                        Members of most of these organizations have these symptoms ; partial brain
                                        damage has been noticed and confirmed concerning those (�agents�/members),
                                        (some of them are called the smarts, some of them the Intel. ! , the reality
                                        is that they should be called the �morons� ) stupidity, lack of common sense
                                        , constant ask for sacrifices , constant ask for fights (arranged fights !),
                                        constant ask for unreasonable efforts resulting only in exhaustion , lack of
                                        proper educations, lack of proper behaviors , and rudeness are their most
                                        noticeable characteristics.


                                        2011/3/28 Marco <thirteenonethree@...>

                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ....huwag kang mag-alala ang pagiging atheist ay di pagpasok sa isang sekta
                                        > o relihiyon, kaya kahit pumasok ka man sa anong simbahan at gawin ang mga
                                        > practices nila dahil sa pakikisama ay ok lang...di ka naman nagkakasala at
                                        > sa tingin ko walang guilty feelings doon, di tulad ng mga kristyano o ibang
                                        > nasa relihiyon kapag pumasok sila sa ibang simbahan o sambahan..nagdarasal
                                        > at humihingi ng kapatawaran sa kanilang panginoon (seloso kasi ang kanilang
                                        > diyos hehehe)....ang punto ko dito, tama ang mga sinabi dito na konting tiis
                                        > lang, na sa tamang oras at panahon ang paglalantad mo ng iyong tamang
                                        > pananaw para di naman masira ang samahan ninyo ng iyong pamilya dahil lang
                                        > sa paniniwala, basta sa sarili mo alam mo kung ano ang side mo.... sarili mo
                                        > lang kalaban mo sa ganito, kasi oras at panahon mo ang nasasayang. At sana
                                        > dumating din ang panahon para tumayo at panindigan ang iyong tamang pananaw,
                                        > hayaan mo at HINDI KA NAGIISA:)
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >



                                        --
                                        No regrets , Professional Engineer , Adviser /Atheist ; Scientific :
                                        Straight Man


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                                      • Osama
                                        Edited.... ... Organizations ... Members of most of these organizations have these symptoms ; partial brain damage has been noticed and confirmed concerning
                                        Message 19 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                                          Edited....

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                                          Organizations

                                          --------------------------

                                          Members of most of these organizations have these symptoms ; partial brain
                                          damage has been noticed and confirmed concerning those (�agents�/members),
                                          (some of them are called the smarts, some of them the Intel, some are called
                                          Christians , some are called Muslims, some are called Corporate , some are
                                          called charities �etc.. ! , the reality is that they should be called the
                                          �morons� ) stupidity, lack of common sense , constant ask for sacrifices ,
                                          constant ask for fights (arranged fights !), constant ask for unreasonable
                                          efforts resulting only in exhaustion , lack of proper educations, lack of
                                          proper behaviors , and rudeness are their most noticeable characteristics.

                                          ---------------------


                                          2011/3/28 Osama <osama1964@...>

                                          > Members of most of these organizations have these symptoms ; partial brain
                                          > damage has been noticed and confirmed concerning those (�agents�/members),
                                          > (some of them are called the smarts, some of them the Intel. ! , the reality
                                          > is that they should be called the �morons� ) stupidity, lack of common sense
                                          > , constant ask for sacrifices , constant ask for fights (arranged fights !),
                                          > constant ask for unreasonable efforts resulting only in exhaustion , lack of
                                          > proper educations, lack of proper behaviors , and rudeness are their most
                                          > noticeable characteristics.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > 2011/3/28 Marco <thirteenonethree@...>
                                          >
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> ....huwag kang mag-alala ang pagiging atheist ay di pagpasok sa isang
                                          >> sekta o relihiyon, kaya kahit pumasok ka man sa anong simbahan at gawin ang
                                          >> mga practices nila dahil sa pakikisama ay ok lang...di ka naman nagkakasala
                                          >> at sa tingin ko walang guilty feelings doon, di tulad ng mga kristyano o
                                          >> ibang nasa relihiyon kapag pumasok sila sa ibang simbahan o
                                          >> sambahan..nagdarasal at humihingi ng kapatawaran sa kanilang panginoon
                                          >> (seloso kasi ang kanilang diyos hehehe)....ang punto ko dito, tama ang mga
                                          >> sinabi dito na konting tiis lang, na sa tamang oras at panahon ang
                                          >> paglalantad mo ng iyong tamang pananaw para di naman masira ang samahan
                                          >> ninyo ng iyong pamilya dahil lang sa paniniwala, basta sa sarili mo alam mo
                                          >> kung ano ang side mo.... sarili mo lang kalaban mo sa ganito, kasi oras at
                                          >> panahon mo ang nasasayang. At sana dumating din ang panahon para tumayo at
                                          >> panindigan ang iyong tamang pananaw, hayaan mo at HINDI KA NAGIISA:)
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > --
                                          > No regrets , Professional Engineer , Adviser /Atheist ; Scientific :
                                          > Straight Man
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >


                                          --
                                          No regrets , Professional Engineer , Adviser /Atheist ; Scientific :
                                          Straight Man


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                                        • Osama
                                          Edited further.... Organizations; sanity issue; ... Members of most of these organizations have these symptoms ; partial brain damage has been noticed and
                                          Message 20 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                                            Edited further....

                                            Organizations; sanity issue;

                                            -----------------------------------------

                                            Members of most of these organizations have these symptoms ; partial brain
                                            damage has been noticed and confirmed concerning those (�agents�/members),
                                            (some of them are called the smarts, some of them are called the Intel, some
                                            are called Christians , some are called Muslims, some are called Corporate ,
                                            some are called Charities �etc.. ! , the reality is that they should be
                                            called the �morons� ) stupidity, lack of common sense , constant ask for
                                            sacrifices , constant ask for fights (arranged fights !), constant ask for
                                            unreasonable efforts resulting only in exhaustion , lack of proper
                                            educations, lack of proper behaviors , and rudeness are their most
                                            noticeable characteristics.



                                            I also discovered that when they say that somebody is unemployed,
                                            inadequate, or week it means that this person cannot be criminal or corrupt,
                                            he could not steal or bully. Simply he cannot be as bad as they hoped, very
                                            disappointing in their view.


                                            In addition, if you try to look for other options, then, in their opinion;
                                            you are cross-eyed. If you tried to make them less criminals but communicate
                                            with some of them, (sometimes you have to), then you are hypocrite.



                                            Also; millions years of nature evolution in determining who is male and who
                                            is female is not convincing for them ; so you may have a (dick) and nature
                                            consider you a male yet they may see differently and consider you female ,
                                            and vise versa




                                            On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Osama <osama1964@...> wrote:

                                            > Edited....
                                            >
                                            > --------------
                                            >
                                            > Organizations
                                            >
                                            > --------------------------
                                            >
                                            > Members of most of these organizations have these symptoms ; partial brain
                                            > damage has been noticed and confirmed concerning those (�agents�/members),
                                            > (some of them are called the smarts, some of them the Intel, some are called
                                            > Christians , some are called Muslims, some are called Corporate , some are
                                            > called charities �etc.. ! , the reality is that they should be called the
                                            > �morons� ) stupidity, lack of common sense , constant ask for sacrifices ,
                                            > constant ask for fights (arranged fights !), constant ask for unreasonable
                                            > efforts resulting only in exhaustion , lack of proper educations, lack of
                                            > proper behaviors , and rudeness are their most noticeable characteristics.
                                            >
                                            > ---------------------
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > 2011/3/28 Osama <osama1964@...>
                                            >
                                            >> Members of most of these organizations have these symptoms ; partial
                                            >> brain damage has been noticed and confirmed concerning those
                                            >> (�agents�/members), (some of them are called the smarts, some of them the
                                            >> Intel. ! , the reality is that they should be called the �morons� )
                                            >> stupidity, lack of common sense , constant ask for sacrifices , constant ask
                                            >> for fights (arranged fights !), constant ask for unreasonable efforts
                                            >> resulting only in exhaustion , lack of proper educations, lack of proper
                                            >> behaviors , and rudeness are their most noticeable characteristics.
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >> 2011/3/28 Marco <thirteenonethree@...>
                                            >>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>> ....huwag kang mag-alala ang pagiging atheist ay di pagpasok sa isang
                                            >>> sekta o relihiyon, kaya kahit pumasok ka man sa anong simbahan at gawin ang
                                            >>> mga practices nila dahil sa pakikisama ay ok lang...di ka naman nagkakasala
                                            >>> at sa tingin ko walang guilty feelings doon, di tulad ng mga kristyano o
                                            >>> ibang nasa relihiyon kapag pumasok sila sa ibang simbahan o
                                            >>> sambahan..nagdarasal at humihingi ng kapatawaran sa kanilang panginoon
                                            >>> (seloso kasi ang kanilang diyos hehehe)....ang punto ko dito, tama ang mga
                                            >>> sinabi dito na konting tiis lang, na sa tamang oras at panahon ang
                                            >>> paglalantad mo ng iyong tamang pananaw para di naman masira ang samahan
                                            >>> ninyo ng iyong pamilya dahil lang sa paniniwala, basta sa sarili mo alam mo
                                            >>> kung ano ang side mo.... sarili mo lang kalaban mo sa ganito, kasi oras at
                                            >>> panahon mo ang nasasayang. At sana dumating din ang panahon para tumayo at
                                            >>> panindigan ang iyong tamang pananaw, hayaan mo at HINDI KA NAGIISA:)
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >> --
                                            >> No regrets , Professional Engineer , Adviser /Atheist ; Scientific :
                                            >> Straight Man
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >>
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --
                                            > No regrets , Professional Engineer , Adviser /Atheist ; Scientific :
                                            > Straight Man
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >


                                            --
                                            No regrets , Professional Engineer , Adviser /Atheist ; Scientific :
                                            Straight Man


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                                          • Lito Turla
                                            ang mga unang paniwala ng mga tao ay mahirap matanggal sa kanilang isipan , tulad nang naging pamilya natin..dahil bata palang tayo pinasok na ng simbahan sa
                                            Message 21 of 27 , Mar 28, 2011
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                                              ang mga unang paniwala ng mga tao ay mahirap matanggal sa kanilang isipan ,
                                              tulad nang naging pamilya natin..dahil bata palang tayo pinasok na ng simbahan
                                              sa utak natin na may dios.....sa aking pagbabasa nakalaya ako sa isipang ito...



                                              ________________________________
                                              From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                              To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 18:25:56
                                              Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                                              That's very right.Wala naman akong balak na ipagsigawan pa at ipangalandakan ang

                                              pagiging atheist ko.Basta when the right time comes masasabi ko rin sa kanila
                                              ang lahat.

                                              ________________________________
                                              From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                                              To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:22:12 PM
                                              Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                              It is not bad at all to go through the motion. Afterall, they are your love
                                              ones. It is not right to "pangalandakan" ang newly-found freedom natin. Let's
                                              enjoy it secretly if it will keep peace sa family.

                                              Kahit malaman nila na non-religious ka na, keep the family relation on top of
                                              priority. That way mapapaabot mo sa kanila na you care 'despite yourself'

                                              J
                                              Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                              Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:13:41
                                              To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                                              Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                              Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam kung
                                              susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para bang hindi


                                              ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili ko
                                              narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama kapag
                                              pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun pa nga
                                              lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag nalaman
                                              nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa simbahan ay
                                              talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama ka sa
                                              sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para raw
                                              akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong pakialam
                                              kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.

                                              ________________________________
                                              From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                                              To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                                              Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                              Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes & look
                                              at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.

                                              Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is right.

                                              Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.

                                              Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily

                                              -----Original Message-----
                                              From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                              Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                                              To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                                              Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                              paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap nga
                                              dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.

                                              ________________________________
                                              From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                                              To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                                              Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                              haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.

                                              --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:

                                              From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                                              Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                              To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM

                                              How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?

                                              I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                                              because I don't want to be out.

                                              But I still don't pray even if im in the church.

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                                            • Naiyak Pa
                                              ang pinakamahirap sa lahat ay ang magpaliwanag. ________________________________ From: Lito Turla To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                              Message 22 of 27 , Mar 29, 2011
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                                                ang pinakamahirap sa lahat ay ang magpaliwanag.



                                                ________________________________
                                                From: Lito Turla <litoturla@...>
                                                To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 4:40:16 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                                                ang mga unang paniwala ng mga tao ay mahirap matanggal sa kanilang isipan ,
                                                tulad nang naging pamilya natin..dahil bata palang tayo pinasok na ng simbahan
                                                sa utak natin na may dios.....sa aking pagbabasa nakalaya ako sa isipang ito...

                                                ________________________________
                                                From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                                To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 18:25:56
                                                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                                That's very right.Wala naman akong balak na ipagsigawan pa at ipangalandakan ang


                                                pagiging atheist ko.Basta when the right time comes masasabi ko rin sa kanila
                                                ang lahat.

                                                ________________________________
                                                From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                                                To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:22:12 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                                It is not bad at all to go through the motion. Afterall, they are your love
                                                ones. It is not right to "pangalandakan" ang newly-found freedom natin. Let's
                                                enjoy it secretly if it will keep peace sa family.

                                                Kahit malaman nila na non-religious ka na, keep the family relation on top of
                                                priority. That way mapapaabot mo sa kanila na you care 'despite yourself'

                                                J
                                                Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily

                                                -----Original Message-----
                                                From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                                Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:13:41
                                                To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                                                Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                                Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko alam kung
                                                susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para bang hindi


                                                ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang sarili ko
                                                narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama kapag
                                                pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun pa nga
                                                lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag nalaman
                                                nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa simbahan ay
                                                talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama ka sa
                                                sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para raw
                                                akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong pakialam
                                                kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.

                                                ________________________________
                                                From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                                                To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                                Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes & look
                                                at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.

                                                Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is right.

                                                Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.

                                                Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily

                                                -----Original Message-----
                                                From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                                Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                                                To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                                                Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                                paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo mahirap nga
                                                dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.

                                                ________________________________
                                                From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                                                To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                                haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.

                                                --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:

                                                From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                                                Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                                To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM

                                                How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?

                                                I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                                                because I don't want to be out.

                                                But I still don't pray even if im in the church.

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                                              • Naiyak Pa
                                                salamat sa inyong lahat. dahil sa mga nababasa ko ay unti unti kong napapatunayan na ang tunay at lubos na makakaintindi lamang sa isang atheist ay ang kapwa
                                                Message 23 of 27 , Mar 29, 2011
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                                                  salamat sa inyong lahat. dahil sa mga nababasa ko ay unti unti kong
                                                  napapatunayan na ang tunay at lubos na makakaintindi lamang sa isang atheist ay
                                                  ang kapwa nya atheist din.


                                                  ________________________________
                                                  From: Marco <thirteenonethree@...>
                                                  To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 9:24:25 PM
                                                  Subject: [pinoy_atheists] Re: HOW?




                                                  ....huwag kang mag-alala ang pagiging atheist ay di pagpasok sa isang sekta o
                                                  relihiyon, kaya kahit pumasok ka man sa anong simbahan at gawin ang mga
                                                  practices nila dahil sa pakikisama ay ok lang...di ka naman nagkakasala at sa
                                                  tingin ko walang guilty feelings doon, di tulad ng mga kristyano o ibang nasa
                                                  relihiyon kapag pumasok sila sa ibang simbahan o sambahan..nagdarasal at
                                                  humihingi ng kapatawaran sa kanilang panginoon (seloso kasi ang kanilang diyos
                                                  hehehe)....ang punto ko dito, tama ang mga sinabi dito na konting tiis lang, na
                                                  sa tamang oras at panahon ang paglalantad mo ng iyong tamang pananaw para di
                                                  naman masira ang samahan ninyo ng iyong pamilya dahil lang sa paniniwala, basta
                                                  sa sarili mo alam mo kung ano ang side mo.... sarili mo lang kalaban mo sa
                                                  ganito, kasi oras at panahon mo ang nasasayang. At sana dumating din ang panahon
                                                  para tumayo at panindigan ang iyong tamang pananaw, hayaan mo at HINDI KA
                                                  NAGIISA:)







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                                                • Naiyak Pa
                                                  Buti pa po kayo ay may ganyang pamilya. Pero kung dumating sa puntong magdedebate kami ng aking pamilya patungkol sa paniniwala ay hindi ko naman basta basta
                                                  Message 24 of 27 , Mar 29, 2011
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                                                    Buti pa po kayo ay may ganyang pamilya. Pero kung dumating sa puntong
                                                    magdedebate kami ng aking pamilya patungkol sa paniniwala ay hindi ko naman
                                                    basta basta na lang itatapon sa putikan ang aking paniniwala. Salamat po!



                                                    ________________________________
                                                    From: Matthew Munoz <matthew.g.munoz@...>
                                                    To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                    Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 7:07:59 PM
                                                    Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                                    Mula nung seryosohin ko ang aking pag-aaral sa aking mga science subjects.
                                                    ;) Grade 2 ata if I recall correctly. Although nalaman na lang ng aking mga
                                                    magulang about 7 years ago when I was about 20 or 21. Naging natural naman
                                                    yung proseso. Eto kasi yung mga panahong nakakausap ko na sila as adults at
                                                    medyo sineseryoso na nila ang iyong mga opinyon at obserbasyon tungkol sa
                                                    mundo at life in general. Maayos naman kami ng mga magulang at kapatid ko
                                                    ngayon. Masuwerte rin ako at nagkaroon ako ng mga magulang na maunawain at
                                                    matalino. Nagsisimba pa rin sila. Sa katunayan nga, active na active ang
                                                    aking mga kapatid sa simbahang katoliko. Hindi na nga lang ako yinayayang
                                                    magsimba at alam nilang hinding-hindi ako matatalo sa debate kung tangkahin
                                                    man nilang ipilit ang kanilang paniniwala sa akin.

                                                    :)
                                                    2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>

                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Ganoon na nga lamang po. Kayo po ba paano po ba kayo nagsimulang maging
                                                    > isang
                                                    > atheist?
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > ________________________________
                                                    > From: Matthew Munoz <matthew.g.munoz@...>
                                                    > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:48:47 PM
                                                    >
                                                    > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                                    >
                                                    > Tama. Konting tiis na lang. Until then, good luck!
                                                    >
                                                    > and Bob bless. :)
                                                    >
                                                    > 2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                                    >
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Hindi naman sila extreme religious type na mga tao po.Sila po ay mga
                                                    > normal
                                                    > > na
                                                    > > katoliko lamang. Yun nga lang ay sila po ang mga uri ng tao na mababaw
                                                    > ang
                                                    > > pagtingin sa mga bagay bagay na para bang kapag sinabi kong ako ay
                                                    > atheist
                                                    > > ay
                                                    > > wala ng tanong tanong pa at itatatak na lang nila sa isip nilang ako ay
                                                    > > masamang
                                                    > > tao. Nag aaral pa lamang ako, ako po ay nasa edad na 17. Ang plano ko ay
                                                    > > sabihin
                                                    > > sa kanila ang aking paniniwala kapag ako ay nasa hustong gulang at may
                                                    > > trabaho
                                                    > > na.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > ________________________________
                                                    > > From: Matthew Munoz <matthew.g.munoz@...>
                                                    > >
                                                    > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:19:27 PM
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I won't sugarcoat. Talagang magiging mahirap ang iyong kalagayan kapag
                                                    > > ibubunyag mo ang iyong pagiging atheist. Mas lalo na't nakikita ko sa
                                                    > iyong
                                                    > > kuwento e mga borderline extreme religious-type ang iyong mga kamag-anak.
                                                    > > Ilang taon mo na ba? Ikaw ba'y nag-aaral pa lang o may trabaho na? Tingin
                                                    > > ko'y napaka-importanteng ikonsidera ang mga ito sa iyong magiging
                                                    > desisyon
                                                    > > kung paano, saan at kailan mo ipapaalam na ikaw ay isang atheist (kung
                                                    > > plano
                                                    > > mo mang ipaalam).
                                                    > >
                                                    > > 2011/3/28 Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                                    > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Alam nyo po dyan talaga ako naguguluhan, pag nasa simbahan hindi ko
                                                    > alam
                                                    > > > kung
                                                    > > > susundin ko yung ginagawa nila o basta tatayo na lang ako dun na para
                                                    > > bang
                                                    > > > hindi
                                                    > > > ko sila kasama. Kasi, kung susundin ko sila edi parang sila at ang
                                                    > sarili
                                                    > > > ko
                                                    > > > narin ang niloloko ko. Kung minsan, naiisip ko na ayoko na ngang sumama
                                                    > > > kapag
                                                    > > > pupunta sila ng simbahan kaya nga lang ay baka nga mapagalitan ako. Yun
                                                    > > pa
                                                    > > > nga
                                                    > > > lang hindi pagsama ay tiyak na mapapagalitan na ako paano pa kaya kapag
                                                    > > > nalaman
                                                    > > > nilang ako ay isang atheist?Hay napakahirap at kung minsan pag nasa
                                                    > > > simbahan ay
                                                    > > > talagang gusto kong matawa kaya lang baka iba ang isipin nila.Pero tama
                                                    > > ka
                                                    > > > sa
                                                    > > > sinabi mo sa huli,minsan ay napagsasabihan ako ng aking tiyuhin na para
                                                    > > raw
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > akong isang demonyo dahil hindi nga ako nagdadasal at ni wala akong
                                                    > > > pakialam
                                                    > > > kahit may misa sa simbahan malapit sa amin.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > ________________________________
                                                    > > > From: "joma_sison@..." <joma_sison@...>
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > > > Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 6:09:27 PM
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Yun nga. Pag nakaluhod sila at taimtim na nagdarasal, open up your eyes
                                                    > &
                                                    > > > look
                                                    > > > at them. Ingat ka lang baka bigla kang matawa.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Hinde mo sila niloloko but you are just practising what you believe is
                                                    > > > right.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Mind you, some of them may have the impression that you have some tail.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by mobily
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                                                    > > > From: Naiyak Pa <naiyakpa22@...>
                                                    > > > Sender: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > > > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:02:52
                                                    > > > To: <pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    > > > Reply-To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > paano naman po naging masarap ang nasa ganitong kalagayan?e medyo
                                                    > mahirap
                                                    > > > nga
                                                    > > > dahil sa palagay ko ay niloloko ko silang lahat.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > ________________________________
                                                    > > > From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
                                                    > > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > > > Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:33:57 PM
                                                    > > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > haha! ang sarap ng ganyang kalagayan.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...> wrote:
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                                                    > > > Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?
                                                    > > > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > > > Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 12:51 PM
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go
                                                    > > there
                                                    > > > because I don't want to be out.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > But I still don't pray even if im in the church.
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                                                  • Christ M
                                                    There are just a few answers to that question: 1.) If you feel you would be physically threatened, then you would be correct in not coming out . No one
                                                    Message 25 of 27 , Apr 1, 2011
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                                                      There are just a few answers to that question:

                                                      1.) If you feel you would be physically threatened, then you would be correct
                                                      in not "coming out". No one should be upset with you keeping your doubts of
                                                      religion hidden in that situation.
                                                      2.) Openly showing that the arguments for theism (of any sort) are poor at
                                                      best. And seriously, most of them are. The few religions that could be sort of
                                                      taken semi seriously are flavors of Buddhism and Hinduism. Those are poor at
                                                      that. They at least have at there core claims that are so weak that they cannot
                                                      be easily crushed on a grand scope.
                                                      3.) Testing close friend for their opinions. That is sort of what you do on
                                                      here. In theory, the people on here are atheists, though there may be some
                                                      silly fundamental theists who will show up, and these people should be able to
                                                      provide emotional support. Locally, you should be able to eventually find
                                                      people who aren't so into religion and make further friends.

                                                      This is just a short reply, but I will say even if you can't find someone local,
                                                      feel free to fall back on your online friends. The best of them will be at the
                                                      least equal to friends that you could meet in you hometown.





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                                                      From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                                                      To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 4:51:19 AM
                                                      Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                                                      How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
                                                      I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                                                      because I don't want to be out.
                                                      But I still don't pray even if im in the church.




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                                                    • Naiyak Pa
                                                      Thank you. ________________________________ From: Christ M To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 12:04:41 PM Subject:
                                                      Message 26 of 27 , Apr 3, 2011
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                                                        Thank you.



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                                                        From: Christ M <c_m367@...>
                                                        To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                        Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 12:04:41 PM
                                                        Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?


                                                        There are just a few answers to that question:

                                                        1.) If you feel you would be physically threatened, then you would be correct
                                                        in not "coming out". No one should be upset with you keeping your doubts of
                                                        religion hidden in that situation.
                                                        2.) Openly showing that the arguments for theism (of any sort) are poor at
                                                        best. And seriously, most of them are. The few religions that could be sort of

                                                        taken semi seriously are flavors of Buddhism and Hinduism. Those are poor at
                                                        that. They at least have at there core claims that are so weak that they cannot

                                                        be easily crushed on a grand scope.
                                                        3.) Testing close friend for their opinions. That is sort of what you do on
                                                        here. In theory, the people on here are atheists, though there may be some
                                                        silly fundamental theists who will show up, and these people should be able to
                                                        provide emotional support. Locally, you should be able to eventually find
                                                        people who aren't so into religion and make further friends.

                                                        This is just a short reply, but I will say even if you can't find someone local,

                                                        feel free to fall back on your online friends. The best of them will be at the
                                                        least equal to friends that you could meet in you hometown.

                                                        ________________________________
                                                        From: Marilou Bomediano <naiyakpa22@...>
                                                        To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                                        Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 4:51:19 AM
                                                        Subject: [pinoy_atheists] HOW?

                                                        How can i clearly say that i am an atheist?
                                                        I don't pray but I go to church whenever my friends and my family go there
                                                        because I don't want to be out.
                                                        But I still don't pray even if im in the church.

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