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  • Benj Espina
    I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group s website - but that s just me. Your post would have been a better fit on your own blog. I think
    Message 1 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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      I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's website -
      but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on your own blog.
      I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting something that
      personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would think would be
      the sentiments of the majority.

      Again, that's just me.

      On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>wrote:

      > >
      > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
      > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/>
      > >
      > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
      > >
      > > You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
      > alike.
      > >
      > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t, or
      > they
      > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great many
      > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
      > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
      > (rationalists)
      > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive of
      > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
      > matters
      > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must you
      > ask
      > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite to
      > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
      > non-believers
      > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers, were
      > not
      > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
      > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question about
      > the
      > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can�t
      > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this moment
      > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God. Every
      > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy. My
      > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions have
      > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
      > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
      > merciful
      > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
      > >
      >
      > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not here in
      > this email. Thanks.
      >
      > Regards,
      >
      > ./francis
      >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------
      >
      > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
      >
      >
      >
      >


      --
      Benjamin A. Espina III
      Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
      Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net


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    • Francis Cabarle
      Hi Benj Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put comments there. Regarding reconversion, am I really? :) Regards, ./francis 2009/10/16 Benj
      Message 2 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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        Hi Benj

        Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put comments there.

        Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)

        Regards,

        ./francis


        2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>

        > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's website -
        > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on your own
        > blog.
        > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting something
        > that
        > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would think would be
        > the sentiments of the majority.
        >
        > Again, that's just me.
        >
        > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...
        > >wrote:
        >
        > > >
        > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
        > > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/>
        > > >
        > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
        > > >
        > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
        > > alike.
        > > >
        > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t, or
        > > they
        > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great
        > many
        > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
        > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
        > > (rationalists)
        > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive
        > of
        > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
        > > matters
        > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must you
        > > ask
        > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite to
        > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
        > > non-believers
        > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers, were
        > > not
        > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
        > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question about
        > > the
        > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can�t
        > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this
        > moment
        > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God. Every
        > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy. My
        > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions
        > have
        > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
        > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
        > > merciful
        > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
        > > >
        > >
        > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not here
        > in
        > > this email. Thanks.
        > >
        > > Regards,
        > >
        > > ./francis
        > >
        > >
        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------------------------------
        > >
        > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        > --
        > Benjamin A. Espina III
        > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
        > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >


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      • Silts
        ohh, what Francis wrote i thought was just a mockery :( was about to ask him which God : )) ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        Message 3 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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          ohh, what Francis wrote i thought was just a mockery :(
          was about to ask him which God : ))


          On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>wrote:

          > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's website -
          > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on your own
          > blog.
          > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting something
          > that
          > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would think would be
          > the sentiments of the majority.
          >
          > Again, that's just me.
          >
          > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...
          > >wrote:
          >
          > > >
          > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
          > > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/>
          > > >
          > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
          > > >
          > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
          > > alike.
          > > >
          > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t, or
          > > they
          > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great
          > many
          > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
          > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
          > > (rationalists)
          > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive
          > of
          > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
          > > matters
          > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must you
          > > ask
          > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite to
          > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
          > > non-believers
          > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers, were
          > > not
          > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
          > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question about
          > > the
          > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can�t
          > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this
          > moment
          > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God. Every
          > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy. My
          > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions
          > have
          > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
          > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
          > > merciful
          > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
          > > >
          > >
          > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not here
          > in
          > > this email. Thanks.
          > >
          > > Regards,
          > >
          > > ./francis
          > >
          > >
          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ------------------------------------
          > >
          > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
          > --
          > Benjamin A. Espina III
          > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
          > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >


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        • Benj Espina
          If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was. -_- It wasn t effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I ll refer to myself in third person
          Message 4 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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            If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was. -_- It
            wasn't effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I'll refer to myself in
            third person for the rest of the day).

            If it wasn't, refer to Benj's last message.



            On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...> wrote:

            > Hi Benj
            >
            > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put comments there.
            >
            > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
            >
            > Regards,
            >
            > ./francis
            >
            >
            > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
            >
            > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's website
            > -
            > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on your own
            > > blog.
            > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting something
            > > that
            > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would think would
            > be
            > > the sentiments of the majority.
            > >
            > > Again, that's just me.
            > >
            > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...
            > > >wrote:
            > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
            > > > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
            > >
            > > > >
            > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
            > > > >
            > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
            > > > alike.
            > > > >
            > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t, or
            > > > they
            > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great
            > > many
            > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
            > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
            > > > (rationalists)
            > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive
            > > of
            > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
            > > > matters
            > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must
            > you
            > > > ask
            > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite
            > to
            > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
            > > > non-believers
            > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers,
            > were
            > > > not
            > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
            > > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question
            > about
            > > > the
            > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can�t
            > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this
            > > moment
            > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God.
            > Every
            > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy.
            > My
            > > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions
            > > have
            > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
            > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
            > > > merciful
            > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not
            > here
            > > in
            > > > this email. Thanks.
            > > >
            > > > Regards,
            > > >
            > > > ./francis
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ------------------------------------
            > > >
            > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            > >
            > > --
            > > Benjamin A. Espina III
            > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
            > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
            > >
            > >
            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > ------------------------------------
            > >
            > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >
            >
            >
            > ------------------------------------
            >
            > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >


            --
            Benjamin A. Espina III
            Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
            Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net


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          • Francis Cabarle
            I m just waiting for more people to comment or get the point....hihihi ;) Regards, ./francis 2009/10/16 Benj Espina ... [Non-text
            Message 5 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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              I'm just waiting for more people to comment or get the point....hihihi ;)

              Regards,

              ./francis


              2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>

              > If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was. -_- It
              > wasn't effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I'll refer to myself in
              > third person for the rest of the day).
              >
              > If it wasn't, refer to Benj's last message.
              >
              >
              >
              > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
              > wrote:
              >
              > > Hi Benj
              > >
              > > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put comments
              > there.
              > >
              > > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
              > >
              > > Regards,
              > >
              > > ./francis
              > >
              > >
              > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
              > >
              > > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's
              > website
              > > -
              > > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on your own
              > > > blog.
              > > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting something
              > > > that
              > > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would think
              > would
              > > be
              > > > the sentiments of the majority.
              > > >
              > > > Again, that's just me.
              > > >
              > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...
              > > > >wrote:
              > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
              > > > >
              > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
              > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
              > > > > >
              > > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and
              > non-believers
              > > > > alike.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t,
              > or
              > > > > they
              > > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great
              > > > many
              > > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
              > > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
              > > > > (rationalists)
              > > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being
              > defensive
              > > > of
              > > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
              > > > > matters
              > > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must
              > > you
              > > > > ask
              > > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very
              > polite
              > > to
              > > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
              > > > > non-believers
              > > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers,
              > > were
              > > > > not
              > > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as
              > many
              > > > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question
              > > about
              > > > > the
              > > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers.
              > Can�t
              > > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this
              > > > moment
              > > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God.
              > > Every
              > > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his
              > mercy.
              > > My
              > > > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my
              > convictions
              > > > have
              > > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
              > > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
              > > > > merciful
              > > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
              > > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not
              > > here
              > > > in
              > > > > this email. Thanks.
              > > > >
              > > > > Regards,
              > > > >
              > > > > ./francis
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > ------------------------------------
              > > > >
              > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > --
              > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
              > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
              > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ------------------------------------
              > > >
              > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------------------------------
              > >
              > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
              >
              > --
              > Benjamin A. Espina III
              > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
              > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
              > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
              >


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            • Benj Espina
              Benj is still confused. ... -- Benjamin A. Espina III Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com Author and Owner, Atheista.net -
              Message 6 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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                Benj is still confused.

                On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...> wrote:

                > I'm just waiting for more people to comment or get the point....hihihi ;)
                >
                > Regards,
                >
                > ./francis
                >
                >
                > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
                >
                > > If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was. -_- It
                > > wasn't effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I'll refer to myself in
                > > third person for the rest of the day).
                > >
                > > If it wasn't, refer to Benj's last message.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                > > wrote:
                > >
                > > > Hi Benj
                > > >
                > > > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put comments
                > > there.
                > > >
                > > > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
                > > >
                > > > Regards,
                > > >
                > > > ./francis
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
                > > >
                > > > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's
                > > website
                > > > -
                > > > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on your
                > own
                > > > > blog.
                > > > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting
                > something
                > > > > that
                > > > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would think
                > > would
                > > > be
                > > > > the sentiments of the majority.
                > > > >
                > > > > Again, that's just me.
                > > > >
                > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <
                > Jounin.F@...
                > > > > >wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                > > > > >
                > > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
                > > > >
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and
                > > non-believers
                > > > > > alike.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some
                > aren�t,
                > > or
                > > > > > they
                > > > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a
                > great
                > > > > many
                > > > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about
                > it,
                > > > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                > > > > > (rationalists)
                > > > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being
                > > defensive
                > > > > of
                > > > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me
                > in
                > > > > > matters
                > > > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it?
                > Must
                > > > you
                > > > > > ask
                > > > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very
                > > polite
                > > > to
                > > > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                > > > > > non-believers
                > > > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible
                > readers,
                > > > were
                > > > > > not
                > > > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as
                > > many
                > > > > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question
                > > > about
                > > > > > the
                > > > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers.
                > > Can�t
                > > > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from
                > this
                > > > > moment
                > > > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God.
                > > > Every
                > > > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his
                > > mercy.
                > > > My
                > > > > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my
                > > convictions
                > > > > have
                > > > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one
                > true
                > > > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal,
                > and
                > > > > > merciful
                > > > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                > > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not
                > > > here
                > > > > in
                > > > > > this email. Thanks.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Regards,
                > > > > >
                > > > > > ./francis
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > ------------------------------------
                > > > > >
                > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > --
                > > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                > > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                > > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > ------------------------------------
                > > > >
                > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ------------------------------------
                > > >
                > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > > --
                > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                > >
                > >
                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------
                > >
                > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------------
                >
                > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                >
                >
                >
                >


                --
                Benjamin A. Espina III
                Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net


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              • Silts
                hahaha...nice composition Frans : ) even then I think you still owe an apology to Benj? : ) yah, I was wondering which god you refer to with this make believe
                Message 7 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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                  hahaha...nice composition Frans : )
                  even then I think you still owe an apology to Benj? : )
                  yah, I was wondering which god you refer to with this make believe
                  reconversion of yours. : )



                  On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...> wrote:

                  > Hi Benj
                  >
                  > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put comments there.
                  >
                  > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
                  >
                  > Regards,
                  >
                  > ./francis
                  >
                  >
                  > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
                  >
                  > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's website
                  > -
                  > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on your own
                  > > blog.
                  > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting something
                  > > that
                  > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would think would
                  > be
                  > > the sentiments of the majority.
                  > >
                  > > Again, that's just me.
                  > >
                  > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...
                  > > >wrote:
                  > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                  > > > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
                  > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                  > > > >
                  > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
                  > > > alike.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t, or
                  > > > they
                  > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great
                  > > many
                  > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
                  > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                  > > > (rationalists)
                  > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive
                  > > of
                  > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
                  > > > matters
                  > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must
                  > you
                  > > > ask
                  > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite
                  > to
                  > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                  > > > non-believers
                  > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers,
                  > were
                  > > > not
                  > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
                  > > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question
                  > about
                  > > > the
                  > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can�t
                  > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this
                  > > moment
                  > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God.
                  > Every
                  > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy.
                  > My
                  > > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions
                  > > have
                  > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
                  > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
                  > > > merciful
                  > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                  > > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not
                  > here
                  > > in
                  > > > this email. Thanks.
                  > > >
                  > > > Regards,
                  > > >
                  > > > ./francis
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ------------------------------------
                  > > >
                  > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --
                  > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                  > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                  > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ------------------------------------
                  >
                  > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >


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                • Francis Cabarle
                  Awww somebody delete my post... :) I ll try posting it again. Come on guys, do you really think I ve reconverted? ;) Regards, ./francis 2009/10/16 Francis
                  Message 8 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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                    Awww somebody delete my post... :)

                    I'll try posting it again. Come on guys, do you really think I've
                    reconverted? ;)

                    Regards,

                    ./francis


                    2009/10/16 Francis Cabarle <jounin.f@...>

                    > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/>
                    >>
                    >> by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                    >>
                    >> You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
                    >> alike.
                    >>
                    >> There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t, or they
                    >> do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great many
                    >> mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
                    >> oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them (rationalists)
                    >> I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive of
                    >> religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in matters
                    >> of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must you ask
                    >> religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite to
                    >> likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because non-believers
                    >> think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers, were not
                    >> well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
                    >> innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question about the
                    >> matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can�t
                    >> religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this moment
                    >> questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God. Every
                    >> moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy. My
                    >> skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions have
                    >> changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
                    >> conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and merciful
                    >> God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                    >>
                    >
                    > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not here in
                    > this email. Thanks.
                    >
                    > Regards,
                    >
                    > ./francis
                    >


                    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  • Francis Cabarle
                    I m really, avidly waiting for somebody to get it.... ... Regards, ./francis 2009/10/16 Benj Espina ... [Non-text portions of this
                    Message 9 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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                      I'm really, avidly waiting for somebody to get it....

                      :D

                      Regards,

                      ./francis


                      2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>

                      > Benj is still confused.
                      >
                      > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                      > wrote:
                      >
                      > > I'm just waiting for more people to comment or get the point....hihihi ;)
                      > >
                      > > Regards,
                      > >
                      > > ./francis
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
                      > >
                      > > > If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was. -_- It
                      > > > wasn't effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I'll refer to myself
                      > in
                      > > > third person for the rest of the day).
                      > > >
                      > > > If it wasn't, refer to Benj's last message.
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                      > > > wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > > Hi Benj
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put comments
                      > > > there.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Regards,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ./francis
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's
                      > > > website
                      > > > > -
                      > > > > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on your
                      > > own
                      > > > > > blog.
                      > > > > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting
                      > > something
                      > > > > > that
                      > > > > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would think
                      > > > would
                      > > > > be
                      > > > > > the sentiments of the majority.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Again, that's just me.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <
                      > > Jounin.F@...
                      > > > > > >wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and
                      > > > non-believers
                      > > > > > > alike.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some
                      > > aren�t,
                      > > > or
                      > > > > > > they
                      > > > > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a
                      > > great
                      > > > > > many
                      > > > > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about
                      > > it,
                      > > > > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                      > > > > > > (rationalists)
                      > > > > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being
                      > > > defensive
                      > > > > > of
                      > > > > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to
                      > me
                      > > in
                      > > > > > > matters
                      > > > > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it?
                      > > Must
                      > > > > you
                      > > > > > > ask
                      > > > > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very
                      > > > polite
                      > > > > to
                      > > > > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                      > > > > > > non-believers
                      > > > > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible
                      > > readers,
                      > > > > were
                      > > > > > > not
                      > > > > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced
                      > as
                      > > > many
                      > > > > > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any
                      > question
                      > > > > about
                      > > > > > > the
                      > > > > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers.
                      > > > Can�t
                      > > > > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from
                      > > this
                      > > > > > moment
                      > > > > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor
                      > God.
                      > > > > Every
                      > > > > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his
                      > > > mercy.
                      > > > > My
                      > > > > > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my
                      > > > convictions
                      > > > > > have
                      > > > > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one
                      > > true
                      > > > > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal,
                      > > and
                      > > > > > > merciful
                      > > > > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                      > > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably
                      > not
                      > > > > here
                      > > > > > in
                      > > > > > > this email. Thanks.
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > Regards,
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > ./francis
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > ------------------------------------
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > --
                      > > > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                      > > > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                      > > > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ------------------------------------
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ------------------------------------
                      > > > >
                      > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > --
                      > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                      > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                      > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ------------------------------------
                      > > >
                      > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      >
                      > --
                      > Benjamin A. Espina III
                      > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                      > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                      >
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ------------------------------------
                      >
                      > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >


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                    • Benj Espina
                      Benj sure hopes that somebody does. ... -- Benjamin A. Espina III Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com Author and Owner, Atheista.net
                      Message 10 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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                        Benj sure hopes that somebody does.

                        On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...> wrote:

                        > I'm really, avidly waiting for somebody to get it....
                        >
                        > :D
                        >
                        > Regards,
                        >
                        > ./francis
                        >
                        >
                        > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
                        >
                        > > Benj is still confused.
                        > >
                        > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                        > > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > > I'm just waiting for more people to comment or get the point....hihihi
                        > ;)
                        > > >
                        > > > Regards,
                        > > >
                        > > > ./francis
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
                        > > >
                        > > > > If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was. -_-
                        > It
                        > > > > wasn't effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I'll refer to
                        > myself
                        > > in
                        > > > > third person for the rest of the day).
                        > > > >
                        > > > > If it wasn't, refer to Benj's last message.
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...
                        > >
                        > > > > wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > > Hi Benj
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put
                        > comments
                        > > > > there.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Regards,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ./francis
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's
                        > > > > website
                        > > > > > -
                        > > > > > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on
                        > your
                        > > > own
                        > > > > > > blog.
                        > > > > > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting
                        > > > something
                        > > > > > > that
                        > > > > > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would
                        > think
                        > > > > would
                        > > > > > be
                        > > > > > > the sentiments of the majority.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > Again, that's just me.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <
                        > > > Jounin.F@...
                        > > > > > > >wrote:
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and
                        > > > > non-believers
                        > > > > > > > alike.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some
                        > > > aren�t,
                        > > > > or
                        > > > > > > > they
                        > > > > > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a
                        > > > great
                        > > > > > > many
                        > > > > > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think
                        > about
                        > > > it,
                        > > > > > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                        > > > > > > > (rationalists)
                        > > > > > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being
                        > > > > defensive
                        > > > > > > of
                        > > > > > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to
                        > > me
                        > > > in
                        > > > > > > > matters
                        > > > > > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it?
                        > > > Must
                        > > > > > you
                        > > > > > > > ask
                        > > > > > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very
                        > > > > polite
                        > > > > > to
                        > > > > > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                        > > > > > > > non-believers
                        > > > > > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible
                        > > > readers,
                        > > > > > were
                        > > > > > > > not
                        > > > > > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced
                        > > as
                        > > > > many
                        > > > > > > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any
                        > > question
                        > > > > > about
                        > > > > > > > the
                        > > > > > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are
                        > brothers.
                        > > > > Can�t
                        > > > > > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from
                        > > > this
                        > > > > > > moment
                        > > > > > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor
                        > > God.
                        > > > > > Every
                        > > > > > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his
                        > > > > mercy.
                        > > > > > My
                        > > > > > > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my
                        > > > > convictions
                        > > > > > > have
                        > > > > > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The
                        > one
                        > > > true
                        > > > > > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving,
                        > personal,
                        > > > and
                        > > > > > > > merciful
                        > > > > > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably
                        > > not
                        > > > > > here
                        > > > > > > in
                        > > > > > > > this email. Thanks.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Regards,
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > ./francis
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > --
                        > > > > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                        > > > > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                        > > > > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > ------------------------------------
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ------------------------------------
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --
                        > > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                        > > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                        > > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ------------------------------------
                        > > > >
                        > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ------------------------------------
                        > > >
                        > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --
                        > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                        > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                        > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ------------------------------------
                        > >
                        > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
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                        --
                        Benjamin A. Espina III
                        Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                        Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net


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                      • John
                        I ll hazard a guess... Are you pretending to be a person living in a mostly nontheistic world? ________________________________ From: Francis Cabarle
                        Message 11 of 22 , Oct 15, 2009
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                          I'll hazard a guess...

                          Are you pretending to be a person living in a mostly nontheistic world?




                          ________________________________
                          From: Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                          To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 1:51:01 PM
                          Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Sorry guys, I’m reconverting…

                          I'm really, avidly waiting for somebody to get it....

                          :D

                          Regards,

                          ./francis


                          2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>

                          > Benj is still confused.
                          >
                          > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                          > wrote:
                          >
                          > > I'm just waiting for more people to comment or get the point....hihihi ;)
                          > >
                          > > Regards,
                          > >
                          > > ./francis
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
                          > >
                          > > > If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was. -_- It
                          > > > wasn't effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I'll refer to myself
                          > in
                          > > > third person for the rest of the day).
                          > > >
                          > > > If it wasn't, refer to Benj's last message.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                          > > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > > Hi Benj
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put comments
                          > > > there.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Regards,
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ./francis
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>
                          > > > >
                          > > > > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's
                          > > > website
                          > > > > -
                          > > > > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on your
                          > > own
                          > > > > > blog.
                          > > > > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting
                          > > something
                          > > > > > that
                          > > > > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would think
                          > > > would
                          > > > > be
                          > > > > > the sentiments of the majority.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Again, that's just me.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <
                          > > Jounin.F@...
                          > > > > > >wrote:
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > Sorry guys, I’m reconverting…<
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and
                          > > > non-believers
                          > > > > > > alike.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some
                          > > aren’t,
                          > > > or
                          > > > > > > they
                          > > > > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a
                          > > great
                          > > > > > many
                          > > > > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about
                          > > it,
                          > > > > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                          > > > > > > (rationalists)
                          > > > > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being
                          > > > defensive
                          > > > > > of
                          > > > > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to
                          > me
                          > > in
                          > > > > > > matters
                          > > > > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it?
                          > > Must
                          > > > > you
                          > > > > > > ask
                          > > > > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very
                          > > > polite
                          > > > > to
                          > > > > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                          > > > > > > non-believers
                          > > > > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible
                          > > readers,
                          > > > > were
                          > > > > > > not
                          > > > > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced
                          > as
                          > > > many
                          > > > > > > > innocent children we’d found. To believe and not ask any
                          > question
                          > > > > about
                          > > > > > > the
                          > > > > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers.
                          > > > Can’t
                          > > > > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we’re from
                          > > this
                          > > > > > moment
                          > > > > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor
                          > God.
                          > > > > Every
                          > > > > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his
                          > > > mercy.
                          > > > > My
                          > > > > > > > skepticism’s now past. Returning to religious status, my
                          > > > convictions
                          > > > > > have
                          > > > > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God’s feet. The one
                          > > true
                          > > > > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal,
                          > > and
                          > > > > > > merciful
                          > > > > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably
                          > not
                          > > > > here
                          > > > > > in
                          > > > > > > this email. Thanks.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Regards,
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > ./francis
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > ------------------------------------
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > --
                          > > > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                          > > > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                          > > > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net- http://atheista.net
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ------------------------------------
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ------------------------------------
                          > > > >
                          > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > --
                          > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                          > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                          > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ------------------------------------
                          > > >
                          > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
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                          > >
                          > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          >
                          >
                          > --
                          > Benjamin A. Espina III
                          > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                          > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                          >
                          >
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                          >
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                          >
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                        • Francis Cabarle
                          Something a bit close to that John. But take another guess. See also my hints at the main ff site. ;) Regards, ./francis 2009/10/16 John
                          Message 12 of 22 , Oct 16, 2009
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                            Something a bit close to that John. But take another guess. See also my
                            hints at the main ff site. ;)

                            Regards,

                            ./francis


                            2009/10/16 John <harmless168@...>

                            >
                            >
                            > I'll hazard a guess...
                            >
                            > Are you pretending to be a person living in a mostly nontheistic world?
                            >
                            > ________________________________
                            > From: Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>>
                            > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com <pinoy_atheists%40yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 1:51:01 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�
                            >
                            >
                            > I'm really, avidly waiting for somebody to get it....
                            >
                            > :D
                            >
                            > Regards,
                            >
                            > ./francis
                            >
                            > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                            > >
                            >
                            > > Benj is still confused.
                            > >
                            > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...<Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                            > >
                            > > wrote:
                            > >
                            > > > I'm just waiting for more people to comment or get the point....hihihi
                            > ;)
                            > > >
                            > > > Regards,
                            > > >
                            > > > ./francis
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was. -_-
                            > It
                            > > > > wasn't effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I'll refer to
                            > myself
                            > > in
                            > > > > third person for the rest of the day).
                            > > > >
                            > > > > If it wasn't, refer to Benj's last message.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...<Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                            > >
                            > > > > wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > Hi Benj
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put
                            > comments
                            > > > > there.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Regards,
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ./francis
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                            > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's
                            > > > > website
                            > > > > > -
                            > > > > > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on
                            > your
                            > > > own
                            > > > > > > blog.
                            > > > > > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting
                            > > > something
                            > > > > > > that
                            > > > > > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would
                            > think
                            > > > > would
                            > > > > > be
                            > > > > > > the sentiments of the majority.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Again, that's just me.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <
                            > > > Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                            > > > > > > >wrote:
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and
                            > > > > non-believers
                            > > > > > > > alike.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some
                            > > > aren�t,
                            > > > > or
                            > > > > > > > they
                            > > > > > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a
                            > > > great
                            > > > > > > many
                            > > > > > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think
                            > about
                            > > > it,
                            > > > > > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                            > > > > > > > (rationalists)
                            > > > > > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being
                            > > > > defensive
                            > > > > > > of
                            > > > > > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to
                            > > me
                            > > > in
                            > > > > > > > matters
                            > > > > > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it?
                            > > > Must
                            > > > > > you
                            > > > > > > > ask
                            > > > > > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very
                            > > > > polite
                            > > > > > to
                            > > > > > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                            > > > > > > > non-believers
                            > > > > > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible
                            > > > readers,
                            > > > > > were
                            > > > > > > > not
                            > > > > > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced
                            > > as
                            > > > > many
                            > > > > > > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any
                            > > question
                            > > > > > about
                            > > > > > > > the
                            > > > > > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are
                            > brothers.
                            > > > > Can�t
                            > > > > > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from
                            > > > this
                            > > > > > > moment
                            > > > > > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor
                            > > God.
                            > > > > > Every
                            > > > > > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his
                            > > > > mercy.
                            > > > > > My
                            > > > > > > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my
                            > > > > convictions
                            > > > > > > have
                            > > > > > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The
                            > one
                            > > > true
                            > > > > > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving,
                            > personal,
                            > > > and
                            > > > > > > > merciful
                            > > > > > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably
                            > > not
                            > > > > > here
                            > > > > > > in
                            > > > > > > > this email. Thanks.
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Regards,
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > ./francis
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > --
                            > > > > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                            > > > > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                            > > > > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net- http://atheista.net
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > > > > > >
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                            > > > > > >
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                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            > > > > >
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                            > > > > >
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                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --
                            > > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                            > > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                            > > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
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                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
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                            > > > >
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                            > > > >
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                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --
                            > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                            > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                            > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                            > >
                            > >
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                          • Francis Cabarle
                            The one who finally gets it right gets a No-Prize from me. :D Regards, ./francis 2009/10/16 Francis Cabarle ... [Non-text portions of
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                              The one who finally gets it right gets a "No-Prize" from me. :D

                              Regards,

                              ./francis


                              2009/10/16 Francis Cabarle <jounin.f@...>

                              > Something a bit close to that John. But take another guess. See also my
                              > hints at the main ff site. ;)
                              >
                              > Regards,
                              >
                              > ./francis
                              >
                              >
                              > 2009/10/16 John <harmless168@...>
                              >
                              >
                              >>
                              >> I'll hazard a guess...
                              >>
                              >> Are you pretending to be a person living in a mostly nontheistic world?
                              >>
                              >> ________________________________
                              >> From: Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>>
                              >> To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com <pinoy_atheists%40yahoogroups.com>
                              >> Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 1:51:01 PM
                              >> Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> I'm really, avidly waiting for somebody to get it....
                              >>
                              >> :D
                              >>
                              >> Regards,
                              >>
                              >> ./francis
                              >>
                              >> 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                              >> >
                              >>
                              >> > Benj is still confused.
                              >> >
                              >> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...<Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                              >> >
                              >> > wrote:
                              >> >
                              >> > > I'm just waiting for more people to comment or get the point....hihihi
                              >> ;)
                              >> > >
                              >> > > Regards,
                              >> > >
                              >> > > ./francis
                              >> > >
                              >> > >
                              >> > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                              >> >
                              >> > >
                              >> > > > If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was. -_-
                              >> It
                              >> > > > wasn't effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I'll refer to
                              >> myself
                              >> > in
                              >> > > > third person for the rest of the day).
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > If it wasn't, refer to Benj's last message.
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <
                              >> Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>>
                              >> > > > wrote:
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > > Hi Benj
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put
                              >> comments
                              >> > > > there.
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > > Regards,
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > > ./francis
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                              >> >
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's
                              >> > > > website
                              >> > > > > -
                              >> > > > > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on
                              >> your
                              >> > > own
                              >> > > > > > blog.
                              >> > > > > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting
                              >> > > something
                              >> > > > > > that
                              >> > > > > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would
                              >> think
                              >> > > > would
                              >> > > > > be
                              >> > > > > > the sentiments of the majority.
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > Again, that's just me.
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <
                              >> > > Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                              >> > > > > > >wrote:
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                              >> > > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and
                              >> > > > non-believers
                              >> > > > > > > alike.
                              >> > > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some
                              >> > > aren�t,
                              >> > > > or
                              >> > > > > > > they
                              >> > > > > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in
                              >> a
                              >> > > great
                              >> > > > > > many
                              >> > > > > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think
                              >> about
                              >> > > it,
                              >> > > > > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to
                              >> them
                              >> > > > > > > (rationalists)
                              >> > > > > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being
                              >> > > > defensive
                              >> > > > > > of
                              >> > > > > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations
                              >> to
                              >> > me
                              >> > > in
                              >> > > > > > > matters
                              >> > > > > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe
                              >> it?
                              >> > > Must
                              >> > > > > you
                              >> > > > > > > ask
                              >> > > > > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be
                              >> very
                              >> > > > polite
                              >> > > > > to
                              >> > > > > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                              >> > > > > > > non-believers
                              >> > > > > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible
                              >> > > readers,
                              >> > > > > were
                              >> > > > > > > not
                              >> > > > > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and
                              >> convinced
                              >> > as
                              >> > > > many
                              >> > > > > > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any
                              >> > question
                              >> > > > > about
                              >> > > > > > > the
                              >> > > > > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are
                              >> brothers.
                              >> > > > Can�t
                              >> > > > > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re
                              >> from
                              >> > > this
                              >> > > > > > moment
                              >> > > > > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor
                              >> > God.
                              >> > > > > Every
                              >> > > > > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on
                              >> his
                              >> > > > mercy.
                              >> > > > > My
                              >> > > > > > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my
                              >> > > > convictions
                              >> > > > > > have
                              >> > > > > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The
                              >> one
                              >> > > true
                              >> > > > > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving,
                              >> personal,
                              >> > > and
                              >> > > > > > > merciful
                              >> > > > > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                              >> > > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably
                              >> > not
                              >> > > > > here
                              >> > > > > > in
                              >> > > > > > > this email. Thanks.
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > Regards,
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > ./francis
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > >
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > --
                              >> > > > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                              >> > > > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                              >> > > > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net- http://atheista.net
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > ------------------------------------
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > > >
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > > ------------------------------------
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > --
                              >> > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                              >> > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                              >> > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > ------------------------------------
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > >
                              >> > >
                              >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >> > >
                              >> > >
                              >> > >
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                              >> > >
                              >> > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >> > >
                              >> > >
                              >> > >
                              >> > >
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> > --
                              >> > Benjamin A. Espina III
                              >> > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                              >> > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> > ------------------------------------
                              >> >
                              >> > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >> >
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                            • lawrence miguel
                              Reason, Faith, God: Pick two and will always end up with one. ________________________________ From: Francis Cabarle To:
                              Message 14 of 22 , Oct 16, 2009
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                                Reason, Faith, God: Pick two and will always end up with one.



                                ________________________________
                                From: Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                                To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com; filipinofreethinkers@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 2:59:40 AM
                                Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Sorry guys, I’m reconverting…

                                The one who finally gets it right gets a "No-Prize" from me. :D

                                Regards,

                                ./francis


                                2009/10/16 Francis Cabarle <jounin.f@...>

                                > Something a bit close to that John. But take another guess. See also my
                                > hints at the main ff site. ;)
                                >
                                > Regards,
                                >
                                > ./francis
                                >
                                >
                                > 2009/10/16 John <harmless168@...>
                                >
                                >
                                >>
                                >> I'll hazard a guess...
                                >>
                                >> Are you pretending to be a person living in a mostly nontheistic world?
                                >>
                                >> ________________________________
                                >> From: Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>>
                                >> To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com <pinoy_atheists%40yahoogroups.com>
                                >> Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 1:51:01 PM
                                >> Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Sorry guys, I’m reconverting…
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> I'm really, avidly waiting for somebody to get it....
                                >>
                                >> :D
                                >>
                                >> Regards,
                                >>
                                >> ./francis
                                >>
                                >> 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                                >> >
                                >>
                                >> > Benj is still confused.
                                >> >
                                >> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...<Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                                >> >
                                >> > wrote:
                                >> >
                                >> > > I'm just waiting for more people to comment or get the point....hihihi
                                >> ;)
                                >> > >
                                >> > > Regards,
                                >> > >
                                >> > > ./francis
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                                >> >
                                >> > >
                                >> > > > If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was. -_-
                                >> It
                                >> > > > wasn't effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I'll refer to
                                >> myself
                                >> > in
                                >> > > > third person for the rest of the day).
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > If it wasn't, refer to Benj's last message.
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <
                                >> Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>>
                                >> > > > wrote:
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > > Hi Benj
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put
                                >> comments
                                >> > > > there.
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > > Regards,
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > > ./francis
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                                >> >
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the group's
                                >> > > > website
                                >> > > > > -
                                >> > > > > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on
                                >> your
                                >> > > own
                                >> > > > > > blog.
                                >> > > > > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting
                                >> > > something
                                >> > > > > > that
                                >> > > > > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would
                                >> think
                                >> > > > would
                                >> > > > > be
                                >> > > > > > the sentiments of the majority.
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > Again, that's just me.
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <
                                >> > > Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                                >> > > > > > >wrote:
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > > Sorry guys, I’m reconverting…<
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                                >> > > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and
                                >> > > > non-believers
                                >> > > > > > > alike.
                                >> > > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some
                                >> > > aren’t,
                                >> > > > or
                                >> > > > > > > they
                                >> > > > > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in
                                >> a
                                >> > > great
                                >> > > > > > many
                                >> > > > > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think
                                >> about
                                >> > > it,
                                >> > > > > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to
                                >> them
                                >> > > > > > > (rationalists)
                                >> > > > > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being
                                >> > > > defensive
                                >> > > > > > of
                                >> > > > > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations
                                >> to
                                >> > me
                                >> > > in
                                >> > > > > > > matters
                                >> > > > > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe
                                >> it?
                                >> > > Must
                                >> > > > > you
                                >> > > > > > > ask
                                >> > > > > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be
                                >> very
                                >> > > > polite
                                >> > > > > to
                                >> > > > > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                                >> > > > > > > non-believers
                                >> > > > > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible
                                >> > > readers,
                                >> > > > > were
                                >> > > > > > > not
                                >> > > > > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and
                                >> convinced
                                >> > as
                                >> > > > many
                                >> > > > > > > > innocent children we’d found. To believe and not ask any
                                >> > question
                                >> > > > > about
                                >> > > > > > > the
                                >> > > > > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are
                                >> brothers.
                                >> > > > Can’t
                                >> > > > > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we’re
                                >> from
                                >> > > this
                                >> > > > > > moment
                                >> > > > > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor
                                >> > God.
                                >> > > > > Every
                                >> > > > > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on
                                >> his
                                >> > > > mercy.
                                >> > > > > My
                                >> > > > > > > > skepticism’s now past. Returning to religious status, my
                                >> > > > convictions
                                >> > > > > > have
                                >> > > > > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God’s feet. The
                                >> one
                                >> > > true
                                >> > > > > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving,
                                >> personal,
                                >> > > and
                                >> > > > > > > merciful
                                >> > > > > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                                >> > > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably
                                >> > not
                                >> > > > > here
                                >> > > > > > in
                                >> > > > > > > this email. Thanks.
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > Regards,
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > ./francis
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > >
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > --
                                >> > > > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                                >> > > > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                                >> > > > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net- http://atheista.net
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > > >
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > >
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                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > > ------------------------------------
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > --
                                >> > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                                >> > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                                >> > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > > ------------------------------------
                                >> > >
                                >> > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> > --
                                >> > Benjamin A. Espina III
                                >> > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                                >> > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> > ------------------------------------
                                >> >
                                >> > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >> >
                                >> >
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                              • Francis Cabarle
                                Eh? :) Regards, ./francis 2009/10/16 lawrence miguel ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                                  Eh? :)

                                  Regards,

                                  ./francis


                                  2009/10/16 lawrence miguel <georgewheflin@...>

                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Reason, Faith, God: Pick two and will always end up with one.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ________________________________
                                  > From: Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>>
                                  > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com <pinoy_atheists%40yahoogroups.com>;
                                  > filipinofreethinkers@yahoogroups.com<filipinofreethinkers%40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 2:59:40 AM
                                  > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�
                                  >
                                  > The one who finally gets it right gets a "No-Prize" from me. :D
                                  >
                                  > Regards,
                                  >
                                  > ./francis
                                  >
                                  > 2009/10/16 Francis Cabarle <jounin.f@... <jounin.f%40gmail.com>>
                                  >
                                  > > Something a bit close to that John. But take another guess. See also my
                                  > > hints at the main ff site. ;)
                                  > >
                                  > > Regards,
                                  > >
                                  > > ./francis
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > 2009/10/16 John <harmless168@... <harmless168%40yahoo.com>>
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >>
                                  > >> I'll hazard a guess...
                                  > >>
                                  > >> Are you pretending to be a person living in a mostly nontheistic world?
                                  > >>
                                  > >> ________________________________
                                  > >> From: Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com><Jounin.F%
                                  > 40gmail.com>>
                                  > >> To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com <pinoy_atheists%40yahoogroups.com><pinoy_atheists%
                                  > 40yahoogroups.com>
                                  > >> Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 1:51:01 PM
                                  > >> Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�
                                  > >>
                                  > >>
                                  > >> I'm really, avidly waiting for somebody to get it....
                                  > >>
                                  > >> :D
                                  > >>
                                  > >> Regards,
                                  > >>
                                  > >> ./francis
                                  > >>
                                  > >> 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                                  > <swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                                  > >> >
                                  > >>
                                  > >> > Benj is still confused.
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...<Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                                  > <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> > wrote:
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> > > I'm just waiting for more people to comment or get the
                                  > point....hihihi
                                  > >> ;)
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > > Regards,
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > > ./francis
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                                  > <swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > > > If it was sarcastic, I totally did not get any hint that it was.
                                  > -_-
                                  > >> It
                                  > >> > > > wasn't effective as far a Benj was concerned (Ok, I'll refer to
                                  > >> myself
                                  > >> > in
                                  > >> > > > third person for the rest of the day).
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > > If it wasn't, refer to Benj's last message.
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Francis Cabarle <
                                  > >> Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com> <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>>
                                  > >> > > > wrote:
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > > > Hi Benj
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > Thanks for the comments. It would be better if you also put
                                  > >> comments
                                  > >> > > > there.
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > Regarding reconversion, am I really? :)
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > Regards,
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > ./francis
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > 2009/10/16 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...<swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                                  > <swingonthespiral%40gmail.com>
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > I think it was counter intuitive to put your post on the
                                  > group's
                                  > >> > > > website
                                  > >> > > > > -
                                  > >> > > > > > but that's just me. Your post would have been a better fit on
                                  > >> your
                                  > >> > > own
                                  > >> > > > > > blog.
                                  > >> > > > > > I think you betrayed the trust that was put on you by posting
                                  > >> > > something
                                  > >> > > > > > that
                                  > >> > > > > > personal on the group blog. You have undermined what I would
                                  > >> think
                                  > >> > > > would
                                  > >> > > > > be
                                  > >> > > > > > the sentiments of the majority.
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > Again, that's just me.
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <
                                  > >> > > Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com> <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                                  >
                                  > >> > > > > > >wrote:
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > > Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > > by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                                  > >> > > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > > You can forward my message below to both believers and
                                  > >> > > > non-believers
                                  > >> > > > > > > alike.
                                  > >> > > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > > There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some
                                  > >> > > aren�t,
                                  > >> > > > or
                                  > >> > > > > > > they
                                  > >> > > > > > > > do not care they are living with rational people. Belief
                                  > in
                                  > >> a
                                  > >> > > great
                                  > >> > > > > > many
                                  > >> > > > > > > > mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think
                                  > >> about
                                  > >> > > it,
                                  > >> > > > > > > > oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to
                                  > >> them
                                  > >> > > > > > > (rationalists)
                                  > >> > > > > > > > I become foolish and irrational for believing and for
                                  > being
                                  > >> > > > defensive
                                  > >> > > > > > of
                                  > >> > > > > > > > religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations
                                  > >> to
                                  > >> > me
                                  > >> > > in
                                  > >> > > > > > > matters
                                  > >> > > > > > > > of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe
                                  > >> it?
                                  > >> > > Must
                                  > >> > > > > you
                                  > >> > > > > > > ask
                                  > >> > > > > > > > religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be
                                  > >> very
                                  > >> > > > polite
                                  > >> > > > > to
                                  > >> > > > > > > > likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps
                                  > because
                                  > >> > > > > > > non-believers
                                  > >> > > > > > > > think most believing people, of course including us Bible
                                  > >> > > readers,
                                  > >> > > > > were
                                  > >> > > > > > > not
                                  > >> > > > > > > > well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and
                                  > >> convinced
                                  > >> > as
                                  > >> > > > many
                                  > >> > > > > > > > innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any
                                  > >> > question
                                  > >> > > > > about
                                  > >> > > > > > > the
                                  > >> > > > > > > > matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are
                                  > >> brothers.
                                  > >> > > > Can�t
                                  > >> > > > > > > > religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re
                                  > >> from
                                  > >> > > this
                                  > >> > > > > > moment
                                  > >> > > > > > > > questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs,
                                  > nor
                                  > >> > God.
                                  > >> > > > > Every
                                  > >> > > > > > > > moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on
                                  > >> his
                                  > >> > > > mercy.
                                  > >> > > > > My
                                  > >> > > > > > > > skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my
                                  > >> > > > convictions
                                  > >> > > > > > have
                                  > >> > > > > > > > changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The
                                  > >> one
                                  > >> > > true
                                  > >> > > > > > > > conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving,
                                  > >> personal,
                                  > >> > > and
                                  > >> > > > > > > merciful
                                  > >> > > > > > > > God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                                  > >> > > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and
                                  > preferably
                                  > >> > not
                                  > >> > > > > here
                                  > >> > > > > > in
                                  > >> > > > > > > this email. Thanks.
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > Regards,
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > ./francis
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > --
                                  > >> > > > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                                  > >> > > > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                                  > >> > > > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net- http://atheista.net
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > >
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > ------------------------------------
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > > --
                                  > >> > > > Benjamin A. Espina III
                                  > >> > > > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                                  > >> > > > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > > >
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > > ------------------------------------
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> > >
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> > --
                                  > >> > Benjamin A. Espina III
                                  > >> > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                                  > >> > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> > ------------------------------------
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> >
                                  > >> >
                                  > >>
                                  > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >>
                                  > >> ------------------------------------
                                  > >>
                                  > >> http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  > >>
                                  > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  > >>
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                                • Michael Muin, MD
                                  Ako rin. Di ko ma-gets. Di ko ma-decipher. Pero kung nag-enjoy yung iba, ok rin lang. Everything s well. Pero pakisabi na rin kung ano yung solution para di na
                                  Message 16 of 22 , Oct 19, 2009
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                                    Ako rin. Di ko ma-gets. Di ko ma-decipher.

                                    Pero kung nag-enjoy yung iba, ok rin lang. Everything's well.

                                    Pero pakisabi na rin kung ano yung solution para di na humaba yung usapan. :D

                                    Thanks!

                                    On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...> wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >> Sorry guys, I’m reconverting…<http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/>
                                    >>
                                    >> by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                                    >>
                                    >> You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers alike.
                                    >>
                                    >> There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren’t, or they
                                    >> do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great many
                                    >> mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
                                    >> oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them (rationalists)
                                    >> I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive of
                                    >> religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in matters
                                    >> of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must you ask
                                    >> religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite to
                                    >> likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because non-believers
                                    >> think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers, were not
                                    >> well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
                                    >> innocent children we’d found. To believe and not ask any question about the
                                    >> matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can’t
                                    >> religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we’re from this moment
                                    >> questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God. Every
                                    >> moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy. My
                                    >> skepticism’s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions have
                                    >> changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God’s feet. The one true
                                    >> conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and merciful
                                    >> God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                                    >>
                                    >
                                    > Please just leave your comments at the ff site,  and preferably not here in
                                    > this email. Thanks.
                                    >
                                    > Regards,
                                    >
                                    > ./francis
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ------------------------------------
                                    >
                                    > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                  • Francis Cabarle
                                    Hi Michael, It s somewhat like the Bible code, as wes mentioned in the comments area. If you skip every 2 words starting from the first word of the message,
                                    Message 17 of 22 , Oct 19, 2009
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                                      Hi Michael,

                                      It's somewhat like the Bible code, as wes mentioned in the comments area. If
                                      you skip every 2 words starting from the first word of the message, you
                                      should find it out. Goodluck. :)

                                      Regards,

                                      ./francis


                                      2009/10/19 Michael Muin, MD <mikemuin@...>

                                      > Ako rin. Di ko ma-gets. Di ko ma-decipher.
                                      >
                                      > Pero kung nag-enjoy yung iba, ok rin lang. Everything's well.
                                      >
                                      > Pero pakisabi na rin kung ano yung solution para di na humaba yung usapan.
                                      > :D
                                      >
                                      > Thanks!
                                      >
                                      > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                                      > wrote:
                                      > >>
                                      > >> Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                                      > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/>
                                      > >>
                                      > >> by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                                      > >>
                                      > >> You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
                                      > alike.
                                      > >>
                                      > >> There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t, or
                                      > they
                                      > >> do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great many
                                      > >> mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
                                      > >> oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                                      > (rationalists)
                                      > >> I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive of
                                      > >> religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
                                      > matters
                                      > >> of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must you
                                      > ask
                                      > >> religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite to
                                      > >> likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                                      > non-believers
                                      > >> think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers, were
                                      > not
                                      > >> well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
                                      > >> innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question about
                                      > the
                                      > >> matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can�t
                                      > >> religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this
                                      > moment
                                      > >> questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God. Every
                                      > >> moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy. My
                                      > >> skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions
                                      > have
                                      > >> changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
                                      > >> conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
                                      > merciful
                                      > >> God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                                      > >>
                                      > >
                                      > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not here
                                      > in
                                      > > this email. Thanks.
                                      > >
                                      > > Regards,
                                      > >
                                      > > ./francis
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ------------------------------------
                                      > >
                                      > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ------------------------------------
                                      >
                                      > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
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                                    • Benj Espina
                                      Drosnin? Ok. Fair enough. Sorry for being emotional about it. ... -- Benjamin A. Espina III Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
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                                        Drosnin?

                                        Ok. Fair enough. Sorry for being emotional about it.

                                        On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>wrote:

                                        > Hi Michael,
                                        >
                                        > It's somewhat like the Bible code, as wes mentioned in the comments area.
                                        > If
                                        > you skip every 2 words starting from the first word of the message, you
                                        > should find it out. Goodluck. :)
                                        >
                                        > Regards,
                                        >
                                        > ./francis
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > 2009/10/19 Michael Muin, MD <mikemuin@...>
                                        >
                                        > > Ako rin. Di ko ma-gets. Di ko ma-decipher.
                                        > >
                                        > > Pero kung nag-enjoy yung iba, ok rin lang. Everything's well.
                                        > >
                                        > > Pero pakisabi na rin kung ano yung solution para di na humaba yung
                                        > usapan.
                                        > > :D
                                        > >
                                        > > Thanks!
                                        > >
                                        > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                                        > > wrote:
                                        > > >>
                                        > > >> Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                                        > > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/>
                                        > > >>
                                        > > >> by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                                        > > >>
                                        > > >> You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
                                        > > alike.
                                        > > >>
                                        > > >> There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t, or
                                        > > they
                                        > > >> do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great
                                        > many
                                        > > >> mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
                                        > > >> oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                                        > > (rationalists)
                                        > > >> I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive
                                        > of
                                        > > >> religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
                                        > > matters
                                        > > >> of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must you
                                        > > ask
                                        > > >> religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite
                                        > to
                                        > > >> likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                                        > > non-believers
                                        > > >> think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers,
                                        > were
                                        > > not
                                        > > >> well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
                                        > > >> innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question
                                        > about
                                        > > the
                                        > > >> matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can�t
                                        > > >> religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this
                                        > > moment
                                        > > >> questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God.
                                        > Every
                                        > > >> moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy.
                                        > My
                                        > > >> skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions
                                        > > have
                                        > > >> changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
                                        > > >> conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
                                        > > merciful
                                        > > >> God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                                        > > >>
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not
                                        > here
                                        > > in
                                        > > > this email. Thanks.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Regards,
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ./francis
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ------------------------------------
                                        > > >
                                        > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > ------------------------------------
                                        > >
                                        > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                        >
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                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
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                                        >
                                        > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >


                                        --
                                        Benjamin A. Espina III
                                        Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                                        Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net


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                                      • Francis Cabarle
                                        As in Michael Drosnin of The Bible Code fame? Yes. :) I know it s not one of my best English compositions/articles, but I had to make do with it, especially
                                        Message 19 of 22 , Oct 19, 2009
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                                          As in Michael Drosnin of The Bible Code fame? Yes. :)

                                          I know it's not one of my best English compositions/articles, but I had to
                                          make do with it, especially before writing it I was really bored and had an
                                          idea, so I had to write it down. :)


                                          Regards,

                                          ./francis


                                          2009/10/20 Benj Espina <swingonthespiral@...>

                                          > Drosnin?
                                          >
                                          > Ok. Fair enough. Sorry for being emotional about it.
                                          >
                                          > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...
                                          > >wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > Hi Michael,
                                          > >
                                          > > It's somewhat like the Bible code, as wes mentioned in the comments area.
                                          > > If
                                          > > you skip every 2 words starting from the first word of the message, you
                                          > > should find it out. Goodluck. :)
                                          > >
                                          > > Regards,
                                          > >
                                          > > ./francis
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > 2009/10/19 Michael Muin, MD <mikemuin@...>
                                          > >
                                          > > > Ako rin. Di ko ma-gets. Di ko ma-decipher.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Pero kung nag-enjoy yung iba, ok rin lang. Everything's well.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Pero pakisabi na rin kung ano yung solution para di na humaba yung
                                          > > usapan.
                                          > > > :D
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Thanks!
                                          > > >
                                          > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                                          > > > wrote:
                                          > > > >>
                                          > > > >> Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                                          > > > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/
                                          > >
                                          > > > >>
                                          > > > >> by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                                          > > > >>
                                          > > > >> You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
                                          > > > alike.
                                          > > > >>
                                          > > > >> There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t,
                                          > or
                                          > > > they
                                          > > > >> do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great
                                          > > many
                                          > > > >> mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
                                          > > > >> oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                                          > > > (rationalists)
                                          > > > >> I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being
                                          > defensive
                                          > > of
                                          > > > >> religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
                                          > > > matters
                                          > > > >> of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must
                                          > you
                                          > > > ask
                                          > > > >> religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite
                                          > > to
                                          > > > >> likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                                          > > > non-believers
                                          > > > >> think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers,
                                          > > were
                                          > > > not
                                          > > > >> well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as
                                          > many
                                          > > > >> innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question
                                          > > about
                                          > > > the
                                          > > > >> matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can�t
                                          > > > >> religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this
                                          > > > moment
                                          > > > >> questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God.
                                          > > Every
                                          > > > >> moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy.
                                          > > My
                                          > > > >> skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions
                                          > > > have
                                          > > > >> changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
                                          > > > >> conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
                                          > > > merciful
                                          > > > >> God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                                          > > > >>
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not
                                          > > here
                                          > > > in
                                          > > > > this email. Thanks.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Regards,
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > ./francis
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > ------------------------------------
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > ------------------------------------
                                          > > >
                                          > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > ------------------------------------
                                          > >
                                          > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > --
                                          > Benjamin A. Espina III
                                          > Co-author and Co-owner, Visit Sagada - http://visitsagada.com
                                          > Author and Owner, Atheista.net - http://atheista.net
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
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                                          >
                                          > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >


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                                        • John
                                          Actually you should start from the last word wording towards the beginning. :) I didn t get it at first because I tried the skipping words from the first word.
                                          Message 20 of 22 , Oct 19, 2009
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                                            Actually you should start from the last word wording towards the beginning. :)

                                            I didn't get it at first because I tried the skipping words from the first word.




                                            ________________________________
                                            From: Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                                            To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 12:00:30 AM
                                            Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Sorry guys, I’m reconverting…

                                            Hi Michael,

                                            It's somewhat like the Bible code, as wes mentioned in the comments area. If
                                            you skip every 2 words starting from the first word of the message, you
                                            should find it out. Goodluck. :)

                                            Regards,

                                            ./francis


                                            2009/10/19 Michael Muin, MD <mikemuin@...>

                                            > Ako rin. Di ko ma-gets. Di ko ma-decipher.
                                            >
                                            > Pero kung nag-enjoy yung iba, ok rin lang. Everything's well.
                                            >
                                            > Pero pakisabi na rin kung ano yung solution para di na humaba yung usapan.
                                            > :D
                                            >
                                            > Thanks!
                                            >
                                            > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...>
                                            > wrote:
                                            > >>
                                            > >> Sorry guys, I’m reconverting…<
                                            > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/>
                                            > >>
                                            > >> by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                                            > >>
                                            > >> You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
                                            > alike.
                                            > >>
                                            > >> There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren’t, or
                                            > they
                                            > >> do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great many
                                            > >> mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
                                            > >> oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                                            > (rationalists)
                                            > >> I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive of
                                            > >> religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
                                            > matters
                                            > >> of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must you
                                            > ask
                                            > >> religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite to
                                            > >> likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                                            > non-believers
                                            > >> think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers, were
                                            > not
                                            > >> well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
                                            > >> innocent children we’d found. To believe and not ask any question about
                                            > the
                                            > >> matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can’t
                                            > >> religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we’re from this
                                            > moment
                                            > >> questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God. Every
                                            > >> moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy. My
                                            > >> skepticism’s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions
                                            > have
                                            > >> changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God’s feet. The one true
                                            > >> conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
                                            > merciful
                                            > >> God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                                            > >>
                                            > >
                                            > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not here
                                            > in
                                            > > this email. Thanks.
                                            > >
                                            > > Regards,
                                            > >
                                            > > ./francis
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > ------------------------------------
                                            > >
                                            > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > ------------------------------------
                                            >
                                            > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >


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                                          • Francis Cabarle
                                            Ah was that how you got it John? Hehe Nice. Out of the box. ;) Regards, ./francis 2009/10/20 John ... [Non-text portions of this
                                            Message 21 of 22 , Oct 19, 2009
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                                              Ah was that how you got it John? Hehe

                                              Nice. Out of the box. ;)

                                              Regards,

                                              ./francis


                                              2009/10/20 John <harmless168@...>

                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Actually you should start from the last word wording towards the beginning.
                                              > :)
                                              >
                                              > I didn't get it at first because I tried the skipping words from the first
                                              > word.
                                              >
                                              > ________________________________
                                              > From: Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@... <Jounin.F%40gmail.com>>
                                              >
                                              > To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com <pinoy_atheists%40yahoogroups.com>
                                              > Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 12:00:30 AM
                                              > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Hi Michael,
                                              >
                                              > It's somewhat like the Bible code, as wes mentioned in the comments area.
                                              > If
                                              > you skip every 2 words starting from the first word of the message, you
                                              > should find it out. Goodluck. :)
                                              >
                                              > Regards,
                                              >
                                              > ./francis
                                              >
                                              > 2009/10/19 Michael Muin, MD <mikemuin@... <mikemuin%40gmail.com>>
                                              >
                                              > > Ako rin. Di ko ma-gets. Di ko ma-decipher.
                                              > >
                                              > > Pero kung nag-enjoy yung iba, ok rin lang. Everything's well.
                                              > >
                                              > > Pero pakisabi na rin kung ano yung solution para di na humaba yung
                                              > usapan.
                                              > > :D
                                              > >
                                              > > Thanks!
                                              > >
                                              > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Francis Cabarle <Jounin.F@...<Jounin.F%40gmail.com>
                                              > >
                                              > > wrote:
                                              > > >>
                                              > > >> Sorry guys, I�m reconverting�<
                                              > > http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/16/sorry-guys-im-reconverting/>
                                              > > >>
                                              > > >> by f241vc15 on October 16, 2009
                                              > > >>
                                              > > >> You can forward my message below to both believers and non-believers
                                              > > alike.
                                              > > >>
                                              > > >> There are many kind hearted people, some are educated some aren�t, or
                                              > > they
                                              > > >> do not care they are living with rational people. Belief in a great
                                              > many
                                              > > >> mysteries and things is good but now that I try to think about it,
                                              > > >> oftentimes I feel most enlightened overall. Of course to them
                                              > > (rationalists)
                                              > > >> I become foolish and irrational for believing and for being defensive
                                              > of
                                              > > >> religion. When I began it (faith), it comes as revelations to me in
                                              > > matters
                                              > > >> of hopes concerning the true religion. We ask why believe it? Must you
                                              > > ask
                                              > > >> religion to not be at all special? Of course one must be very polite
                                              > to
                                              > > >> likely impart a reason since, this is faith. Perhaps because
                                              > > non-believers
                                              > > >> think most believing people, of course including us Bible readers,
                                              > were
                                              > > not
                                              > > >> well taught in logic, and that we indoctrinated and convinced as many
                                              > > >> innocent children we�d found. To believe and not ask any question
                                              > about
                                              > > the
                                              > > >> matters of God, of our heavenly faith. You and I are brothers. Can�t
                                              > > >> religion triumph? Prevent it not. Myself included, we�re from this
                                              > > moment
                                              > > >> questioning not faith, my personal revelations, beliefs, nor God.
                                              > Every
                                              > > >> moment is time well spent, I think, to reflect on God, on his mercy.
                                              > My
                                              > > >> skepticism�s now past. Returning to religious status, my convictions
                                              > > have
                                              > > >> changed. I now solemnly arrive to serve at God�s feet. The one true
                                              > > >> conclusion is such that of mine. A loving, forgiving, personal, and
                                              > > merciful
                                              > > >> God the almighty, is certainly not absurd.
                                              > > >>
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Please just leave your comments at the ff site, and preferably not here
                                              > > in
                                              > > > this email. Thanks.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Regards,
                                              > > >
                                              > > > ./francis
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > ------------------------------------
                                              > > >
                                              > > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > ------------------------------------
                                              > >
                                              > > http://www.philippineatheists.org/Yahoo! Groups Links
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              >
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                                              >
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