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  • jose mario sison
    Aug 19, 2008
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      (wink!)

      John <harmless168@...> wrote: Haha yeah I replied at a time when I haven't gotten to his post yet... :)

      ----- Original Message ----
      From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@...>
      To: pinoy_atheists@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:03:47 PM
      Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Re: Humility

      John (harmless)

      JLipana has defined elsewhere clearly what he meant by "humility" - we will take him on that context

      John <harmless168@ yahoo.com> wrote:
      I guess it all depends on how you define humility. I define humility as never having to crow about your supposed achievements, and instead, letting your work do the talking for you.

      ----- Original Message ----
      From: joshualipana <joshualipana@ yahoo.com>
      To: pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups. com
      Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:01:23 PM
      Subject: [pinoy_atheists] Re: Humility

      Okay fine let's talk about humility. I think Humility is a slave's
      virtue. Wait let me quote Schopenhauer he says it better then me.

      "What is modesty but hypocritical humility by means of which in a
      world swelling with envy a man seeks to obtain pardon for
      excellences and merits from those who have none. No doubt when
      modesty was made a virtue it was a very advantageous thing for the
      fools; for everybody is expected to speak of himself as if he were
      one"

      -Schopenhauer

      I think humility was invented by religion to suppress brilliance. To
      make the Galileo's of our world hide.

      --- In pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups. com, tet chua <tet_chua@.. .> wrote:
      >
      > what's wrong with humility? i believe a leader should radiate this
      virtue. humility is a good language we can practice to communicate
      with others although we don't share the same views, beliefs or
      unbeliefs. being humble in a humanistic sense could never be wrong.
      humility in a catholic - christian sense is pathetic.
      >
      > and what's with the hating part? no matter what your stance is my
      fellow infidel, i believe it would really reflect on the motivations
      you set to your members, you being the leader or one of the leaders
      of CFI.
      >
      > i agree with mike. humility is not a PR strength. in this universe
      where seemingly random events shape up our lives, we can afford to
      be make mistakes sometimes. and to adhere to these mistakes and
      learn from these, whether we personally know our weaknesses or not,
      we must show to the world who we really are, and the virtue of
      humility can help us with this.
      >
      >
      > --- On Tue, 8/19/08, joshualipana <joshualipana@ ...> wrote:
      > From: joshualipana <joshualipana@ ...>
      > Subject: [pinoy_atheists] Re: Humility
      > To: pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups. com
      > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 4:18 PM
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > I hate humility not CFI. I really see it as useless as
      a means of
      >
      > the weak to make the talented hide their strenghts. Humility
      really
      >
      > is for me the most disguisting virtue there is. I could probably
      >
      > hate nothing more. But thats not the stance of CFI philippines its
      >
      > my view its really a non issue for darwins sake.
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups. com, "Michael"
      <mike_aquino@ ...>
      >
      > wrote:
      >
      > >
      >
      > > What's to hate about humility? I don't understand where you're
      >
      > coming
      >
      > > from, Josh.
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Humility isn't a weakness. It's a necessary virtue in an
      individual
      >
      > > who has an infinite capacity for making mistakes.
      >
      > >
      >
      > > Lack of humility isn't a PR strength. It's a weakness in a new
      >
      > > organization (which CFI is, and which I presume you represent).
      >
      > >
      >
      > > I'm still very interested in joining CFI, but I feel a "hatred of
      >
      > > humility" is incompatible with an organization that plans to
      >
      > influence
      >
      > > public opinion.
      >
      > >
      >
      > > I could be wrong. Maybe you can clear things up for me.
      >
      > >
      >
      > >
      >
      > > --- In pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups. com, "joshualipana"
      >
      > > <joshualipana@ > wrote:
      >
      > > >
      >
      > > > Thank you. And I understand you guys. But I can't do anything
      >
      > > > about. He's my friend. He's the reason why I became an
      atheist.
      >
      > I
      >
      > > > understand what you guys are saying in "Ugh" but don't worry
      >
      > that is
      >
      > > > just a small part of CFI Philippines. We are a Secular
      Humanist
      >
      > > > group devoted to defending science and reason. I am the
      >
      > president.
      >
      > > > Some think I'm arrogant about it but as I've said before I
      hate
      >
      > > > humility and I've said not an Exaggeration once. I'm the
      >
      > president
      >
      > > > but I'm not the most brilliant man and I'm not saying so I'm
      >
      > just
      >
      > > > stating a fact and it seems people get mad at that fact.
      >
      > Humility
      >
      > > > prevents us from telling the truth arrogance does the same
      only
      >
      > > > insecurity would hate the middle ground which is truth. Now
      >
      > getting
      >
      > > > back on the subject I understand your frustration. But don't
      >
      > worry,
      >
      > > > on the ground we actually do stuff. Poch was a friend of
      >
      > Bertrand
      >
      > > > Russel he has done so much for the secular cause for 4
      decades.
      >
      > He
      >
      > > > was part of that group of Russel's against the Vietnam War.
      He's
      >
      > the
      >
      > > > reason why CFI even looked here. But again I understand you
      >
      > people.
      >
      > > > I too feel that frustration once in a while but I'm telling
      you
      >
      > it's
      >
      > > > not as big of an issue as you guys think. We actually get
      things
      >
      > > > done despite this. Sure sometimes we have Incompetent talk but
      >
      > we
      >
      > > > always have a secular humanist walk. John and I can deliver
      and
      >
      > > > Poch can too.
      >
      > > >
      >
      > > > --- In pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups. com, eduardo barot
      >
      > > > <eduardobarot@ > wrote:
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > Good morning,
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > From time to time I read your column in the philippine star,
      >
      > and
      >
      > > > now, what I suspect about you is true.
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > That you are a freethinker. Glad to make your acquaintance.
      >
      > I'd
      >
      > > > like you to post your views and share it here so we can have
      >
      > your
      >
      > > > point of view of current events relevant to this group, if you
      >
      > don't
      >
      > > > mind.
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > To Josh Lipana, You're smarter than I thought. Next time
      tell
      >
      > me
      >
      > > > about Schopenhauer.
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > To Mr. Suzara, I think you set us up. And we fell for it.
      Are
      >
      > you
      >
      > > > for real?
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > Maybe you were just baiting us to give up our good sense.
      Are
      >
      > you
      >
      > > > really angry 24/7 or were you trying to get to us? Gotta hand
      it
      >
      > to
      >
      > > > you.
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > I usually work on hunches and gut feel. With all our
      >
      > misgivings,
      >
      > > > maybe we CAN work something out.
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > And cebuano-- san yang orgi na yan? Duda ako na ganyan ka
      >
      > talaga.
      >
      > > > Siguro intellectual ka tinatago mo lang.
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > Baka tama nga si cebuano-- na na olol na tayong lahat.
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > Hey have a nice week (especially my friend Mr. Suzara)
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > Dodie
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > --- On Mon, 8/18/08, jose mario sison <joma_sison@ > wrote:
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > From: jose mario sison <joma_sison@ >
      >
      > > > > Subject: Re: [pinoy_atheists] Re: First post
      >
      > > > > To: pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups. com
      >
      > > > > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 6:36 AM
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > You can read all, its all in there for you to see...
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > joshualipana <joshualipana@ yahoo.com> wrote: What the hell
      >
      > > > happened?
      >
      > > > >
      >
      > > > > --- In pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups. com, "dererumnaturastar"
      >
      > > > > <dererumnaturastar@ ...> wrote:
      >
      > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > Dear All,
      >
      > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > Really sorry I was a prime player in the incident that led
      >
      > to
      >
      > > > > where it
      >
      > > > > > did. I never imagined it would inflame them to the extent
      it
      >
      > did.
      >
      > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > Glad to be back. We move on now.
      >
      > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > Tekton, Misterrific, Tony, Joma, thanks for your note.
      >
      > Really
      >
      > > > good
      >
      > > > > to
      >
      > > > > > be in mindful company.
      >
      > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > Isabel
      >
      > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > --- In pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups. com, "jvnicdao"
      >
      > > > > > <Joseph.V.Nicdao@ D...> wrote:
      >
      > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > Thanks, Tony, and all others who helped put up the new
      >
      > group
      >
      > > > so
      >
      > > > > fast
      >
      > > > > > > after that forgetable incident.
      >
      > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > I suggest that we try to get on board as many of the
      >
      > previous
      >
      > > > > > > members of 'good' standing as possible, and plan our EB
      in
      >
      > > > > December
      >
      > > > > > > or January. I think we should really work on this EB
      >
      > seriously
      >
      > > > > as
      >
      > > > > > > this would be a chance not only to renew friendships and
      >
      > > > > strengthen
      >
      > > > > > > bonding but to talk as well about the group's plans.
      >
      > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > I'll be on vacation from 23 Dec to 12 Jan; I can spare
      >
      > some
      >
      > > > time
      >
      > > > > > > during that period for the group's activities. I will
      >
      > provide
      >
      > > > my
      >
      > > > > > > contact nos. to whoever would volunteer to coordinate
      our
      >
      > EB.
      >
      > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > Cheers!
      >
      > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > Joseph
      >
      > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > -----
      >
      > > > > > > --- In pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups.
      com, "randytheskeptic"
      >
      > > > > > > <randyallan@ y...> wrote:
      >
      > > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > > I will no longer make any further comment on what
      >
      > happened
      >
      > > > as
      >
      > > > > not
      >
      > > > > > > to make things worse than it is. New topic anyone?
      >
      > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > -----
      >
      > > > > > > > --- In pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups. com, jose mario
      sison
      >
      > > > > > > > <joma_sison@ y...> wrote:
      >
      > > > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > > > well understood..
      >
      > > > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > > > pinoy_infidel <kujira_n12@ y...> wrote:
      >
      > > > > > > > > This is not my group. Yan ang laging ipinapasok ni
      >
      > SUMA sa
      >
      > > > > isip
      >
      > > > > > > niya
      >
      > > > > > > > > na kahit anong gawin niya ay pwede dahil yun ay
      kanya.
      >
      > I
      >
      > > > > would
      >
      > > > > > > like
      >
      > > > > > > > > for us to build a new and better group without the
      >
      > likes
      >
      > > > of
      >
      > > > > him.
      >
      > > > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > > > Tony
      >
      > > > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > > > --- In pinoy_atheists@ yahoogroups.
      com, "joma_sison"
      >
      > > > > > > <joma_sison@ y...>
      >
      > > > > > > > > wrote:
      >
      > > > > > > > > >
      >
      > > > > > > > > > Tony,
      >
      > > > > > > > > > We are not a club, we are attracted to this group
      >
      > due to
      >
      > > > > our
      >
      > > > > > > > > > conviction. I just want to understand that this
      >
      > is "not"
      >
      > > > > your
      >
      > > > > > > group,
      >
      > > > > > > > > > ok ba?
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      > > > > > > > > > joma.
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