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  • brian richman
    I get most of my medicare pts. from a doc I uesd to work with. He has an office inside a rehab clinic I used to work in. He can only Bill Medicare for 20
    Message 1 of 10 , Mar 2, 2003
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      I get most of my medicare pts. from a doc I uesd to work with. He has an office inside a rehab clinic I used to work in. He can only Bill Medicare for 20 modalities, but the rehab clinic he has his office in, is not medicare certified, so they normally send them out after he's done with his 20 modalities. So I asked him to refer them to me if I got my medicare #, and so far so good. I also get a few from other docs and I follow up with an intro letter and progress notes so hopefully will refer me others. Tell me how you get your patients, non medicare, and how you started your clinic and how you run it. That is what I want to do, but I really have no start up costs or overhead now, and I'm wondering if it will be worth it.

        Evelyn Capdevila <evelynheals@...> wrote:

      Hi,

      I'd like to know how you are getting your referrals?  Was it hard getting at least one Doctor to like/trust you so he could send you pts?  I just started my own practice and have found that finding a doc to refer Medicare pts isnt' as easy as I thought.....any ideas/strategies?

      Thanks

       brian richman <gymnst37@...> wrote:

      Good luck with your office, that is my long term goal, but with no capital or referral source, I thought this would be the less riskiest, and its working so far. Yes, I just bill Med B for the homecare visits. The basic codes I use are 97001 for evals, 97110, 97140. 97014, 97035 and 97116. The other insurances I bill using an office code because I rent space in a pre existing clinic that I used to work at as an employee.Any other questions? Is your clinic Med certified? A or B? I'd like to hear more about how you started yours.

       Sargent OShea <sjoshea@...> wrote:

      Brian,
      I have just started by own business. I see patients in the office
      but would be interested in seeing patients at home. Just a question on
      how you bill do you bill Med B with what codes for home care??? Also,
      how do you bill other insurances for home care. I would be very
      interested thanks!

      Barbara

      brian richman wrote:

      >
      >
      > I'm in the beginning stages of starting my own business. No overhead.
      > I got my Medicare # and a Doc that likes me and willing to send me
      > some medicare pts. I see them in thier home and bring everything I
      > need, including a combo unit and all the trimmings. After I see them ,
      > I do my own billing(electronicaly) and no employees. I get to spend
      > all my time with just ONE pt. and no interruptions. Better quality
      > care, more money and I'm my own boss. Just something to think about. I
      > also bill other insurances as well and I'm up to 20 visits a week
      > after only two weeks of starting. Good Luck
      >
      > Raymond Mack wrote:
      >
      > Thanks for the insight. Thinking about working for an
      > orthopedic group.
      > This would allow me to work on my Ph.D.
      >
      > Ray
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From:
      > To:
      > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:25 AM
      > Subject: [physical_therapists_in_business] Re: starting on
      > our own
      >
      >
      > > Ray,
      > > If you wait for perfect conditions to start a practice you
      > will
      > > never start. If you do not feel confident financially but
      > still want
      > > to practice, start a part time therapy business and have a
      > part time
      > > job else where. This way you can have the best of both
      > worlds. Those
      > > therapist who survive during the lean times will reap the
      > benefits
      > > when the economy turns up.
      > >
      > > If you need any help in finding business ideas to attract
      > clients
      > > you could a lot worse than a book that has now been given
      > an
      > > excellent review in the journal International Therapist.
      > It is
      > > called Marketing for Complementary Therapists - 101 ideas
      > to get
      > > clients. Read about at http://4Marketing.go.to
      > >
      > > Need any other help just ask
      > >
      > > Regards
      > >
      > > Barry
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In physical_therapists_in_business@yahoogroups.com,
      > "uman9555
      > > " wrote:
      > > > Is it past the point of being able to start an
      > independent
      > > practice.
      > > > The local environment seem very prohibitive per
      > insurance
      > > > reimbursement. People appear to be waiting until the
      > economy
      > > turns.
      > > >
      > > > Ray
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    • Evelyn Capdevila
      Well, I actually hooked up with a friend of mine who already had a clinic (he only did slip and fall and accident cases) but he needed a full time PT cause his
      Message 2 of 10 , Mar 5, 2003
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        Well, I actually hooked up with a friend of mine who already had a clinic (he only did slip and fall and accident cases) but he needed a full time PT cause his per diem PT was no longer available.  He already had a nice caseload but was looking to expand.  I worked out a deal with him --I didn't have the start-up money to go on my own.  He got a bigger office space and he would refer all the accident cases to me and I would get my medicare #.  Since he put up all the money for space and equipment (initially), I split the medicare revenue 50/50.  I also lease the equipment and space from him at a ridiculously low price.  It may not sound too good but I haven't shelled out any money.  If I were to go completely on my own, yeah I would make 100% of my revenue but how much would I have to dish out for lease and equipment.   Accident cases are great money (upto $8000/pt) and you just need to hook up with one or two personal injury lawyers.  HMO patients are harder to come by because HMO's in my area are not accepting any new providers. 

        Hope this helps.

        brian richman <gymnst37@...> wrote:

        I get most of my medicare pts. from a doc I uesd to work with. He has an office inside a rehab clinic I used to work in. He can only Bill Medicare for 20 modalities, but the rehab clinic he has his office in, is not medicare certified, so they normally send them out after he's done with his 20 modalities. So I asked him to refer them to me if I got my medicare #, and so far so good. I also get a few from other docs and I follow up with an intro letter and progress notes so hopefully will refer me others. Tell me how you get your patients, non medicare, and how you started your clinic and how you run it. That is what I want to do, but I really have no start up costs or overhead now, and I'm wondering if it will be worth it.

          Evelyn Capdevila <evelynheals@...> wrote:

        Hi,

        I'd like to know how you are getting your referrals?  Was it hard getting at least one Doctor to like/trust you so he could send you pts?  I just started my own practice and have found that finding a doc to refer Medicare pts isnt' as easy as I thought.....any ideas/strategies?

        Thanks

         brian richman <gymnst37@...> wrote:

        Good luck with your office, that is my long term goal, but with no capital or referral source, I thought this would be the less riskiest, and its working so far. Yes, I just bill Med B for the homecare visits. The basic codes I use are 97001 for evals, 97110, 97140. 97014, 97035 and 97116. The other insurances I bill using an office code because I rent space in a pre existing clinic that I used to work at as an employee.Any other questions? Is your clinic Med certified? A or B? I'd like to hear more about how you started yours.

         Sargent OShea <sjoshea@...> wrote:

        Brian,
        I have just started by own business. I see patients in the office
        but would be interested in seeing patients at home. Just a question on
        how you bill do you bill Med B with what codes for home care??? Also,
        how do you bill other insurances for home care. I would be very
        interested thanks!

        Barbara

        brian richman wrote:

        >
        >
        > I'm in the beginning stages of starting my own business. No overhead.
        > I got my Medicare # and a Doc that likes me and willing to send me
        > some medicare pts. I see them in thier home and bring everything I
        > need, including a combo unit and all the trimmings. After I see them ,
        > I do my own billing(electronicaly) and no employees. I get to spend
        > all my time with just ONE pt. and no interruptions. Better quality
        > care, more money and I'm my own boss. Just something to think about. I
        > also bill other insurances as well and I'm up to 20 visits a week
        > after only two weeks of starting. Good Luck
        >
        > Raymond Mack wrote:
        >
        > Thanks for the insight. Thinking about working for an
        > orthopedic group.
        > This would allow me to work on my Ph.D.
        >
        > Ray
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From:
        > To:
        > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:25 AM
        > Subject: [physical_therapists_in_business] Re: starting on
        > our own
        >
        >
        > > Ray,
        > > If you wait for perfect conditions to start a practice you
        > will
        > > never start. If you do not feel confident financially but
        > still want
        > > to practice, start a part time therapy business and have a
        > part time
        > > job else where. This way you can have the best of both
        > worlds. Those
        > > therapist who survive during the lean times will reap the
        > benefits
        > > when the economy turns up.
        > >
        > > If you need any help in finding business ideas to attract
        > clients
        > > you could a lot worse than a book that has now been given
        > an
        > > excellent review in the journal International Therapist.
        > It is
        > > called Marketing for Complementary Therapists - 101 ideas
        > to get
        > > clients. Read about at http://4Marketing.go.to
        > >
        > > Need any other help just ask
        > >
        > > Regards
        > >
        > > Barry
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In physical_therapists_in_business@yahoogroups.com,
        > "uman9555
        > > " wrote:
        > > > Is it past the point of being able to start an
        > independent
        > > practice.
        > > > The local environment seem very prohibitive per
        > insurance
        > > > reimbursement. People appear to be waiting until the
        > economy
        > > turns.
        > > >
        > > > Ray
        > >
        > >
        > >
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      • mmandsager
        I am very interested in doing this no overhead private therapy business. Several questions. What do I need to do to get a Medicare #. I ve always had a # in
        Message 3 of 10 , Jul 9, 2003
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          I am very interested in doing this no overhead private therapy
          business. Several questions. What do I need to do to get a Medicare
          #. I've always had a # in the places of business I have worked
          previously but I'm not sure if I can use this same # for my own
          business. How do I gain access to networks? What software do you
          use to bill insurances electronically? Are there any other legalities
          other than self-employed malpractice coverage I should be aware of?
          Any tips and suggestions from anybody would be greatly appreciated.

          --- In physical_therapists_in_business@yahoogroups.com, brian richman
          <gymnst37@y...> wrote:
          >
          > I'm in the beginning stages of starting my own business. No
          overhead. I got my Medicare # and a Doc that likes me and willing to
          send me some medicare pts. I see them in thier home and bring
          everything I need, including a combo unit and all the trimmings.
          After I see them , I do my own billing(electronicaly) and no
          employees. I get to spend all my time with just ONE pt. and no
          interruptions. Better quality care, more money and I'm my own boss.
          Just something to think about. I also bill other insurances as well
          and I'm up to 20 visits a week after only two weeks of starting. Good
          Luck
          > Raymond Mack <rmackptmu@p...> wrote:Thanks for the insight.
          Thinking about working for an orthopedic group.
          > This would allow me to work on my Ph.D.
          >
          > Ray
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: <bazzfinch@h...>
          > To: <physical_therapists_in_business@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:25 AM
          > Subject: [physical_therapists_in_business] Re: starting on our own
          >
          >
          > > Ray,
          > > If you wait for perfect conditions to start a practice you will
          > > never start. If you do not feel confident financially but still
          want
          > > to practice, start a part time therapy business and have a part
          time
          > > job else where. This way you can have the best of both worlds.
          Those
          > > therapist who survive during the lean times will reap the benefits
          > > when the economy turns up.
          > >
          > > If you need any help in finding business ideas to attract clients
          > > you could a lot worse than a book that has now been given an
          > > excellent review in the journal International Therapist. It is
          > > called Marketing for Complementary Therapists - 101 ideas to get
          > > clients. Read about at http://4Marketing.go.to
          > >
          > > Need any other help just ask
          > >
          > > Regards
          > >
          > > Barry
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In physical_therapists_in_business@yahoogroups.com, "uman9555
          > > <rmackptmu@p...>" <rmackptmu@p...> wrote:
          > > > Is it past the point of being able to start an independent
          > > practice.
          > > > The local environment seem very prohibitive per insurance
          > > > reimbursement. People appear to be waiting until the economy
          > > turns.
          > > >
          > > > Ray
          > >
          > >
          > >
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