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Re: [photographic-techniques] Sepiachrome Tutorial (Photoshop) for the Old Time Photograph

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  • Barry
    Very interesting method for sepia Karl, maybe you can help me with a problem I have, I take pictures of live bands, I prefer not to use flash as it ruins the
    Message 1 of 15 , Aug 1, 2001
      Very interesting method for sepia Karl, maybe you can help me with a problem I have, I take pictures of live bands, I prefer not to use flash as it ruins the vivid colours but at times I have to, what I am looking for is a method using Photoshop to change the picture as if I had used a filter, the flash turns the picture very flat,  the  lighting is usually tungsten, I could e-mail you a sample if required.
      Barry 
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "alaska trapper" <Alaska_Trapper@...>
      Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 11:07 PM
      Subject: Re: [photographic-techniques] Sepiachrome Tutorial (Photoshop) for the Old Time Photograph

      > Wahooooo for Karl!
      >  This is exactly the thing that I needed. I
      really appreciate your sharing
      > with me, and I look forward to posting
      some of the photos that I use soon.
      > By the way, when I was just a little
      felow, we vacationed at Estes Park
      > almost every year { the 60's and 70's
      }...
      >  Thanks again Karl,
      >  Jon Asmussen 
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > On Sun, 29 Jul 2001
      20:19:37 GMT,
      photographic-techniques@yahoogroups.com
      > wrote:
      >
      > >  On
      Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:02:37 -0700 (PDT), you arranged some electrons
      > >  so they looked like this:
      > > 
      > >  >Hi there Karl!,
      > >  > That is exactly what I am looking
      for! Any help that you could give on
      > your
      > >  >technique would greatly be appreciated.
      > >  > Jon
      Asmussen
      > >  >
      > >  >null 
      href="http://www.allensparklodge.com">http://www.allensparklodge.com
      > > 
      > > 
      Joh,
      > >  There are probable a dozen or more ways to do this in
      PS. Mine might
      > >  be more involved than other methods. This is
      two of the methods I use
      > >  to change photographs.  You can
      find other by searching on
      > >  "Sepia"+"Photoshop" or whatever
      your pixel editor is in such search
      > >  site like
      href="http://www.google.com">http://www.google.com
      > > 
      > > 
      > >  Think of
      this as a double tutorial.  First convert to B&W without
      > >  using the Gray scale conversion:
      > > 
      > >  [Menu option are in cap letters with arrows.]
      > > 
      > >  1>  Make all your normal color adjustments to your
      image.
      > > 
      > >  2>  Make a duplicate copy
      (layer) of your image,with adjustments,
      > >  and work only on the
      duplicate only.
      > > 
      > >  3> 
      IMAGE-->ADJUST-->CHANNEL MIXER.
      > > 
      > > 
      4>  Click "Monochrome" box in lower left of option window.
      > >  [The will turn the "Output Channel" to BLACK but you still
      > >  have your 3 RGB sliders.
      > > 
      > > 
      5>  The default is 100% red channel as is with the "GRAYSCALE"
      > >  option above.  If your original image had good contrast, you
      will
      > >  want to keep the total of the 3 sliders to 100%.
      > > 
      > >  You can adjust the RGB sliders to get
      different effects.  My
      > >  personal favorate to bring out
      the contrast in trees, green
      > >  things, is to decrease red to
      75% and increase green 25%.  This
      > >  is the equivalent of
      using Yellow # 9 filter with B&W film. You
      > >  can play to
      your hearts content without affecting the original
      > >  color
      layer. Remember that in Ansel Adams book, "40 photographs"
      > >  he
      only used a red filter once while most of the time he used
      > > 
      yellow filters.
      > > 
      > >  Other things you can
      do:
      > > 
      > >  1>  Mask out an object such
      as a flower and make everything else
      > >  B&W while leaving
      the flower in color.
      > >  2>  Mask out the sky and give it
      special CHANNEL MIXER treatment
      > >  to highten the contrast
      between the sky and clouds as one would
      > >  get with a red filter
      or time personal favorite filter, a
      > >  polaroid, and then treat
      the rest of the image in a different way
      > >  such as to emphasis
      the greens.
      > > 
      > > 
      > > 
      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      > >  Lastly, it is not necessary to go the final step and then
      convert
      > >  it to gray scale (IMAGE-->MODE-->GRAYSCALE)
      unless you are going
      > >  to Sepia chrome the image and I try to
      get that conversion
      > >  documented tonight.
      > > 
      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      > > 
      > > 
      > >  Here is quick lesson for
      Photoshop users on Sepia chrome pics.
      > > 
      > > 
      Process the picture in Channel mixer as discussed above, then:
      > > 
      > >  1> Use IMAGE-->MODE-->GRAYSCALE to
      convert image to black
      > >  and white.  It will as you if you
      want to throw away color info.
      > >  Say "YES".
      > > 
      > >  2> Download my Sepia01.ADO file from Mountain-Mall
      by
      > >  entering into your browser:
      > > 
      > > 
      href="http://www.mountain-mall.com/upload/Sepia01.ADO">http://www.mountain-mall.com/upload/Sepia01.ADO
      > > 
      > >  Your
      browser should as you if you want to save it.  Say "yes" and
      > >  put it somewhere convenient.
      > > 
      > > 
      3> Use IMAGE-->MODE-->DUOTONE...
      > > 
      > > 
      4> Select LOAD push button and select the Sepia01.ADO file
      > > 
      and you will now have a Sepia chrome image.  If it is too
      > >  brown/yellow, click on the Ink 3 "curve" and invert the curve
      > >  until it looks concave, bowed, to the right...just 100%
      opposite
      > >  of what it looks like now.
      > > 
      > >  When you have a new Sepia chrome filter you like...use the
      SAVE
      > >  button to write it to disk...use an original name
      like
      > >  Sepia02.ADO!
      > > 
      > >  Take
      a look at the Pantone colors that were use to make up the
      > > 
      three inks and the curves used.  Play with colors and/or curves
      > >  to come up with something you like as I did in developing
      > >  Sepia01.ADO. Remember that Pan B&W films are a relative
      recent
      > >  invention and that old time photographs seldom had any
      color in the
      > >  sky, i.e. no blue channel.
      > > 
      > >  Happy experimenting and lets see your results and ADO
      files,
      > > 
      > > 
      > >  Karl
      Snyder
      > >  Boulder, Colorado (PROB)
      > > 
      href="http://www.RockyMountainNP.Com/">http://www.RockyMountainNP.Com/
      > > 
      href="http://www.EstesParkOnLine.Com/">http://www.EstesParkOnLine.Com/
      > >  http://www.MtEvans.Com/
      > >  "The first time you do something,
      > >  it is an experiment.
      > >  The second time you do
      it,
      > >  it is technique."
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • lxmonterophoto@aol.com
      Hi Barry, My name is Alex and I got the e-mail you sent Karl, Have you tried putting a gel on your flash and using tungsten film. Are you shooting with the
      Message 2 of 15 , Aug 1, 2001
        Hi Barry,
        My name is Alex and I got the e-mail you sent Karl, Have you tried
        putting a gel on your flash and using tungsten film. Are you shooting with
        the flash of camera, that would add a bit of a ratio, contrast. Also how
        about making the film or chrome pop with your exposure and development.
        Well, I'm being nosey and this sounds like such obvious answers that I'm sure
        you tried these, but I wanted to let u know that your e-mail to
        Karl.
      • ksnyder@mountain-mall.com
        On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:48:09 +0100, you arranged some electrons so they ... Do email me. Have you considered Tungsten film assuming you are shooting cromes.
        Message 3 of 15 , Aug 1, 2001
          On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:48:09 +0100, you arranged some electrons so they
          looked like this:

          >Very interesting method for sepia Karl, maybe you can help me with a problem I have, I take pictures of live bands, I prefer not to use flash as it ruins the vivid colours but at times I have to, what I am looking for is a method using Photoshop to change the picture as if I had used a filter, the flash turns the picture very flat, the lighting is usually tungsten, I could e-mail you a sample if required.
          >Barry

          Do email me. Have you considered Tungsten film assuming you are
          shooting cromes. Let me know the direction you want the picture to
          go. As if you had used what filter? Have you tried Provia 400F pushed
          2 stops (1400 - 1600). It would really surprise you.

          Also, you may find that with the high speeds, you can turn your flash
          into a fill flash to enhance highlights rather than be the main source
          of light.

          Anybody else out there shooting concerts have any ideas for barry?



          Send about a 800x1200 pixel image as a Photoshop PSD, TIF or BMP so we
          do not loose color or quality as in GIF or JPEG. Make the image a
          simple I run my own servers so there is not size limits on my system.
          Sent it to me NOT the group.

          I think that in another life I was a reproduction specialist, aka a
          ReproMan.

          Karl S.
        • Clint Ryan
          As simply as I can, most photo programs can do this. Basically turn the shot into black and white the either change black to brown or sometime if you play with
          Message 4 of 15 , Feb 5, 2002
            As simply as I can, most photo programs can do this. Basically turn the shot
            into black and white the either change black to brown or sometime if you play
            with the curve you can adjust the black into brown and the it is a matter of
            adjusting the contrast and brightness till you get the tones you want. The
            better the photo editor the easier it is..

            Clint

            alaska trapper wrote:

            > Hi there everybody!
            > I am involved with a pre- 1840s re-enactment group and I am interested in
            > how to take those old brown and white photos. I have seen them at fairs,
            > were they have old cowboy outfits to put on. I was also wondering if it was
            > possible to do this with a digital? Hope that someone out there can help.
            > Jon
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          • Wookie
            Most Digital Cameras have a sepia setting which is the effect you are looking for. Terry You can t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of
            Message 5 of 15 , Feb 5, 2002
              Most Digital Cameras have a "sepia" setting which is the effect you are
              looking for.

              Terry

              "You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
              - Mark Twain [b. Samuel Langhorne Clemens] (1835 - 1910)


              alaska trapper wrote:

              > Hi there everybody!
              > I am involved with a pre- 1840s re-enactment group and I am interested in
              > how to take those old brown and white photos. I have seen them at fairs,
              > were they have old cowboy outfits to put on. I was also wondering if it
              was
              > possible to do this with a digital? Hope that someone out there can help.
              > Jon
            • aussie_8au
              Hi Jon...... Firstly, if you use film you can sepia tone the prints by using a commercial sepia tone kit. You can buy the two-pack kit from any good
              Message 6 of 15 , Feb 6, 2002
                Hi Jon......

                Firstly, if you use film you can sepia tone the prints by using a
                commercial sepia tone kit. You can buy the two-pack kit from any
                good photographic's supplies store and you just follow the directions.

                Secondly, a lot of digital cameras have a sepia setting built into
                them.

                Thirdly, if your camera doesn't have a sepia setting, then when you
                download into your computer, provided you have a reasonable program
                like Adobe Photo Deluxe, Corel Photo Paint or Microsoft Photo Draw
                then you can sepia enhance any photo. Remember to turn it into B&W
                first.

                cheers.....Les
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