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  • karl shah-jenner
    I thought this was an interesting timeline .. not comprehensive, but it does include many of the historic models that saw us get to where we are today
    Message 1 of 17 , Aug 2, 2012
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      I thought this was an interesting timeline .. not comprehensive, but it does
      include many of the historic models that saw us get to where we are today

      http://m.au.ign.com/articles/1081155
    • Christopher Strevens
      Hi Yes.... I is quite refreshing to learn that history could be so recent. I span from the pentode valve to the tablet. We did valves at university but once
      Message 2 of 17 , Aug 2, 2012
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        Hi
         
        Yes.... I is quite refreshing to learn that "history" could be so recent. I span from the pentode valve to the tablet. We did valves at university but once out we were into transistors and integrated circuits. I recall doing a training course on ttl and a computer. I once worked developing FORTRAN with the Jupiter Ace and duece. The disk drives were a yard high and two feet in diameter.
         
        I think there was a windows operating system then "gem".
         
        We did 8080 programming (very difficult) and the z80 machine code and assembly language and started to use a compiler. I recall reading a book on compiler design. The first high level language I used was FORTRAN (It stood for "formula translation"). I later did Basic, C and pascal. Then visual Basic but then came psychiatry and the boss. Things changed when the academic world was forced into capitalism and we were the loosers and I feel everyone lost with this straight jacket of capitalism. Mind you the academics were not socialists but they were free. We were free in those days but I ended my working life as a western paid slave which destroyed my creativity and they now pill me to stifle thought and action so I just sit. I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western culture. And in my life I have found CAPITALIST DON'T PAY!!!
         
        In between working with computers I was a chemist and I taught a bit of photography and qulified here too.
         
        Nostalgia... the past was always better....
         
        Now I am nearly 70 and no one wants me....
         
        I have no money and might have to give up the internet and try talking to real people instead.
         
        I sold my last camera for a meal in a wimpy bar but I still have my mobile phone I redeemed from the pawn shop.....
         
        I sold my nettbook for a second meal for two at the wimpy bar where they offered me a slave girl and wanted to buy my house at a knock down price. He said "If you have money everything is legal but if you have no money then nothing is legal".
         
        I found the article very informative and I now know a little more than I did before but by tomorrow it will have faded from my mind.
         
        Valves were still in use in 1960 and even now there is no substitute for a valve for high power applications. They used to have the "Sound Valve" and the "picture Valve" in televisions. It was only recently they vanished but some older people still have the CRT in their sets. Do you recall the advance of the rectangular tube and the flat tube just before the lcd and led tubes. Not long ago I was given a personal demonstration of tft display but this was superceded by the lcd display then the lenticular array for 3d as demonstrated in some places. I note that the spectacle variety of 3 d viewer is still coming. I believe there are legal problems deploying the lenticular array over a dispute over copyright. But the system is still under development. The lenticular array has been known for centuries but not for moving images. The spectacle system gives people headaches I have heard. I tried one in a shop a while ago. It was ok. We will soon have 3D volly ball games on the computer (sorry I think they have already arrived).
         
        I have no idea how my monitor works but I believe it is an lcd array with a white light behind and coloured filters over each cell one for each primary colour in triangles of lcd cells. The lenticular array is a screen of small lenses that sits over the screen. The cameras are more difficult to make and use and tend to be big. I did see a camera that was a square of an array of lenses about one foot six inches by one foot. (50 cm X 30 cm) approx. With the lenticular array the viewer does no need spectacles and can move around to get a better view.
         
        At present I am finding it diffucult to pay the electrity bill, the media bill, the food bill, the water bill.....
         
         


        Dr Chris
         
        > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:42:49 +0800
        > From: shahjen@...
        > Subject: tablet PC history
        > To: photoforum@...
        >
        > I thought this was an interesting timeline .. not comprehensive, but it does
        > include many of the historic models that saw us get to where we are today
        >
        > http://m.au.ign.com/articles/1081155
        >
      • Gregory Fraser
        ... Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the world who work for money. I don t want you to feel all alone.
        Message 3 of 17 , Aug 3, 2012
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           > From:  Christopher Strevens 
           > ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western culture.  
           
          Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.
        • mark@masteroftheimage.com
          ... Subject: RE: tablet PC history From: Gregory Fraser Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators
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            -------- Original Message --------
            Subject: RE: tablet PC history
            From: Gregory Fraser <Gregory.Fraser@...>
            Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am
            To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
            <photoforum@...>

            > From: Christopher Strevens
            > ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I
            might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western
            culture.

            Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the
            world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.

            Not only that, but if you won't take care of yourself, who will?
            Anything someone or some organization gives you, can take it away and
            sooner or later probably will. Frankly I am totally amazed that the
            group has been this patient. Andy must be a saint. Your Drs and pills
            are not about photography. I would suspect most of us have at least
            some debt, and to pay it we work for money. Some might even be in debt
            for a camera. Some might have to go to work and use a camera. After a
            while they find that what they loved so much is now a chore. They have
            to do what they are told not what they want.

            It is my opinion that these types of post are inhibit the flow of posts
            about photography. This is a resource I find valuable and if the post
            were about photography, the no matter how off base I might think an idea
            to be, its valuable. A free exchange of ideas isn't just for the ideas
            with which you agree. I could take each of your points part by part and
            discuss them, but no one would want to hear that. This is a photography
            group Dr, and a political discussion from me is just as bad as from you.
            Just because no one responses to argue doesn't mean you have convinced
            them of anything or that they agree with you. Its much more likely they
            have just hit the ignore button.
          • Hans Klemmer
            Mark & Greg, Personally I do look forward to Dr. Chris notes on whatever his subject may be. I ts a breath of fresh air that proves to all of us that we have
            Message 5 of 17 , Aug 3, 2012
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              Mark & Greg,
              Personally I do look forward to Dr. Chris' notes on whatever his subject may be. I'ts a breath of fresh air that proves to all of us that we have lives and challenges away from being behind the camera.

              Hans

              On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:40, mark@... wrote:

              >
              >
              >
              > -------- Original Message --------
              > Subject: RE: tablet PC history
              > From: Gregory Fraser <Gregory.Fraser@...>
              > Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am
              > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
              > <photoforum@...>
              >
              >> From: Christopher Strevens
              >> ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I
              > might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western
              > culture.
              >
              > Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the
              > world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.
              >
              > Not only that, but if you won't take care of yourself, who will?
              > Anything someone or some organization gives you, can take it away and
              > sooner or later probably will. Frankly I am totally amazed that the
              > group has been this patient. Andy must be a saint. Your Drs and pills
              > are not about photography. I would suspect most of us have at least
              > some debt, and to pay it we work for money. Some might even be in debt
              > for a camera. Some might have to go to work and use a camera. After a
              > while they find that what they loved so much is now a chore. They have
              > to do what they are told not what they want.
              >
              > It is my opinion that these types of post are inhibit the flow of posts
              > about photography. This is a resource I find valuable and if the post
              > were about photography, the no matter how off base I might think an idea
              > to be, its valuable. A free exchange of ideas isn't just for the ideas
              > with which you agree. I could take each of your points part by part and
              > discuss them, but no one would want to hear that. This is a photography
              > group Dr, and a political discussion from me is just as bad as from you.
              > Just because no one responses to argue doesn't mean you have convinced
              > them of anything or that they agree with you. Its much more likely they
              > have just hit the ignore button.
              >
            • Gregory Fraser
              I did not say that I felt Chris posts should be blocked. That was Mark. Nor did I say Karl s non-photo based posts should be blocked. Nor did I say any of the
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                I did not say that I felt Chris' posts should be blocked. That was Mark.

                Nor did I say Karl's non-photo based posts should be blocked. Nor did I say any of the other log term PF member's posts should be blocked even when they stray from photography.

                There are a few members here that have kept PF alive for many years and Dr Chris is one of them.

                Greg


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Hans Klemmer [mailto:hansklemmer@...]
                Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 09:59 AM
                To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students <photoforum@...>
                Subject: Re: tablet PC history

                Mark & Greg,
                Personally I do look forward to Dr. Chris' notes on whatever his subject may be. I'ts a breath of fresh air that proves to all of us that we have lives and challenges away from being behind the camera.

                Hans

                On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:40, mark@... wrote:

                >
                >
                >
                > -------- Original Message --------
                > Subject: RE: tablet PC history
                > From: Gregory Fraser <Gregory.Fraser@...>
                > Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am
                > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                > <photoforum@...>
                >
                >> From: Christopher Strevens
                >> ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I
                > might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western
                > culture.
                >
                > Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the
                > world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.
                >
                > Not only that, but if you won't take care of yourself, who will?
                > Anything someone or some organization gives you, can take it away and
                > sooner or later probably will. Frankly I am totally amazed that the
                > group has been this patient. Andy must be a saint. Your Drs and pills
                > are not about photography. I would suspect most of us have at least
                > some debt, and to pay it we work for money. Some might even be in debt
                > for a camera. Some might have to go to work and use a camera. After a
                > while they find that what they loved so much is now a chore. They have
                > to do what they are told not what they want.
                >
                > It is my opinion that these types of post are inhibit the flow of posts
                > about photography. This is a resource I find valuable and if the post
                > were about photography, the no matter how off base I might think an idea
                > to be, its valuable. A free exchange of ideas isn't just for the ideas
                > with which you agree. I could take each of your points part by part and
                > discuss them, but no one would want to hear that. This is a photography
                > group Dr, and a political discussion from me is just as bad as from you.
                > Just because no one responses to argue doesn't mean you have convinced
                > them of anything or that they agree with you. Its much more likely they
                > have just hit the ignore button.
                >
              • Christopher Strevens
                I seem to be trouble wherever I go... Dr Chris
                Message 7 of 17 , Aug 3, 2012
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                  I seem to be trouble wherever I go...

                  Dr Chris
                   
                  > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:37:50 -0400
                  > From: Gregory.Fraser@...
                  > Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                  > To: photoforum@...
                  >
                  > I did not say that I felt Chris' posts should be blocked. That was Mark.
                  >
                  > Nor did I say Karl's non-photo based posts should be blocked. Nor did I say any of the other log term PF member's posts should be blocked even when they stray from photography.
                  >
                  > There are a few members here that have kept PF alive for many years and Dr Chris is one of them.
                  >
                  > Greg
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Hans Klemmer [mailto:hansklemmer@...]
                  > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 09:59 AM
                  > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students <photoforum@...>
                  > Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                  >
                  > Mark & Greg,
                  > Personally I do look forward to Dr. Chris' notes on whatever his subject may be. I'ts a breath of fresh air that proves to all of us that we have lives and challenges away from being behind the camera.
                  >
                  > Hans
                  >
                  > On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:40, mark@... wrote:
                  >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > -------- Original Message --------
                  > > Subject: RE: tablet PC history
                  > > From: Gregory Fraser <Gregory.Fraser@...>
                  > > Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am
                  > > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                  > > <photoforum@...>
                  > >
                  > >> From: Christopher Strevens
                  > >> ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I
                  > > might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western
                  > > culture.
                  > >
                  > > Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the
                  > > world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.
                  > >
                  > > Not only that, but if you won't take care of yourself, who will?
                  > > Anything someone or some organization gives you, can take it away and
                  > > sooner or later probably will. Frankly I am totally amazed that the
                  > > group has been this patient. Andy must be a saint. Your Drs and pills
                  > > are not about photography. I would suspect most of us have at least
                  > > some debt, and to pay it we work for money. Some might even be in debt
                  > > for a camera. Some might have to go to work and use a camera. After a
                  > > while they find that what they loved so much is now a chore. They have
                  > > to do what they are told not what they want.
                  > >
                  > > It is my opinion that these types of post are inhibit the flow of posts
                  > > about photography. This is a resource I find valuable and if the post
                  > > were about photography, the no matter how off base I might think an idea
                  > > to be, its valuable. A free exchange of ideas isn't just for the ideas
                  > > with which you agree. I could take each of your points part by part and
                  > > discuss them, but no one would want to hear that. This is a photography
                  > > group Dr, and a political discussion from me is just as bad as from you.
                  > > Just because no one responses to argue doesn't mean you have convinced
                  > > them of anything or that they agree with you. Its much more likely they
                  > > have just hit the ignore button.
                  > >
                  >
                • Christopher Strevens
                  Hi My website is now back after the host company withdrew front page support. I now compose in front page with the extensions switched off and upload using
                  Message 8 of 17 , Aug 3, 2012
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                    Hi
                     
                    My website is now back after the host company withdrew front page support. I now compose in front page with the extensions switched off and upload using FTP. My Images is back with a record of several years of my photography going back to about 1954 when I was 12.
                     
                    There are gaps i the record because some files of negatives were taken from me because they were controversial and I would have loved to have them on the site. One set of three frames shows the lunar excursion module crossing the face of the moon just prior to its landing in 1969. It was published at the time and was used as a frontpiece of several "space travel" books in the 1970's.  I think you may still view it in the science museum in South Kesington, London, UK. I donated the film to the museum. They copied it but my original was stolen with other images 1960-1969. I have now disposed of all my film photographs. Thus preventing more trouble.
                     
                    The image I captured of a "flying saucer" over houses in London, near my home was confinscated by some men in smart suits (black) MIB's who did not want the image known. However it was published at the time, and an image I took of a sex attack on Wimbledon common and another one of a murder on clapham common were also lost.
                     
                    Similarly the pictures I had of the wedding of my alleged father to my mother in 1941 were lost together with many other family images. My web site shows some images on the same camera roll but those are missing. (Mum said she also married Hitler and I am the son, born on Mars)..  I once had papers relating to this but these were lost along with some of Hitler's propaganda pre-war books. You won't find these listed anywhere because all that was destroyed by the British. I had papers relating to some of Hitler's space travel projects but all of the stuff was taken from the house when the authorities attacked us and detained me. Mum had her brain cut out with a steel pin to silence her. That is why photographs of mum are important to me. However I will soon be disposing of these and her stories in my head so that when we die no trace will remain. That is the law.
                     
                    The pictures I took when I was serving in the British army were taken by the army but they are possibly on show in the British Imperial War Museum. I get no pension relating to my service and no trace is left to me. I have been told that my exploits in the army are on show there but my identity is hidden.
                     
                    It appears that someone does not want it known.
                     
                    Politics - politics. That is my photography.
                     
                     
                    So my posts about doctors, pills and politics are revelant to my photography, after all I was hospitalised over my image of that flying saucer down Windermere Road near me.
                     
                    Oh - I have also photographed rape attacks and another murder. These were used in evidence so I lost them. But I don't want them anyway. You might find an image of a murder on my web site....
                     

                    Dr Chris
                     

                    Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 21:38:38 +0100
                    From: chris@...
                    Subject: RE: tablet PC history
                    To: photoforum@...

                    I seem to be trouble wherever I go...

                    Dr Chris
                     
                    > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:37:50 -0400
                    > From: Gregory.Fraser@...
                    > Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                    > To: photoforum@...
                    >
                    > I did not say that I felt Chris' posts should be blocked. That was Mark.
                    >
                    > Nor did I say Karl's non-photo based posts should be blocked. Nor did I say any of the other log term PF member's posts should be blocked even when they stray from photography.
                    >
                    > There are a few members here that have kept PF alive for many years and Dr Chris is one of them.
                    >
                    > Greg
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Hans Klemmer [mailto:hansklemmer@...]
                    > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 09:59 AM
                    > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students <photoforum@...>
                    > Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                    >
                    > Mark & Greg,
                    > Personally I do look forward to Dr. Chris' notes on whatever his subject may be. I'ts a breath of fresh air that proves to all of us that we have lives and challenges away from being behind the camera.
                    >
                    > Hans
                    >
                    > On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:40, mark@... wrote:
                    >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > -------- Original Message --------
                    > > Subject: RE: tablet PC history
                    > > From: Gregory Fraser <Gregory.Fraser@...>
                    > > Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am
                    > > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                    > > <photoforum@...>
                    > >
                    > >> From: Christopher Strevens
                    > >> ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I
                    > > might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western
                    > > culture.
                    > >
                    > > Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the
                    > > world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.
                    > >
                    > > Not only that, but if you won't take care of yourself, who will?
                    > > Anything someone or some organization gives you, can take it away and
                    > > sooner or later probably will. Frankly I am totally amazed that the
                    > > group has been this patient. Andy must be a saint. Your Drs and pills
                    > > are not about photography. I would suspect most of us have at least
                    > > some debt, and to pay it we work for money. Some might even be in debt
                    > > for a camera. Some might have to go to work and use a camera. After a
                    > > while they find that what they loved so much is now a chore. They have
                    > > to do what they are told not what they want.
                    > >
                    > > It is my opinion that these types of post are inhibit the flow of posts
                    > > about photography. This is a resource I find valuable and if the post
                    > > were about photography, the no matter how off base I might think an idea
                    > > to be, its valuable. A free exchange of ideas isn't just for the ideas
                    > > with which you agree. I could take each of your points part by part and
                    > > discuss them, but no one would want to hear that. This is a photography
                    > > group Dr, and a political discussion from me is just as bad as from you.
                    > > Just because no one responses to argue doesn't mean you have convinced
                    > > them of anything or that they agree with you. Its much more likely they
                    > > have just hit the ignore button.
                    > >
                    >
                  • asharpe@andrewsharpe.com
                    Without eccentrics, the world (and photography, to stay on topic) would be a very boring place. I never know if Christopher Strevens is pulling my leg or not,
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                      Without eccentrics, the world (and photography, to stay on topic) would be
                      a very boring place. I never know if Christopher Strevens is pulling my
                      leg or not, and it doesn't matter (though I suspect his posts about his
                      mother are as genuine as they are touching). He posts, contributes,
                      critiques, and, in general, contributes a lot more than many of the
                      members on this list.

                      Andrew



                      On Fri, August 3, 2012 1:38 pm, Christopher Strevens wrote:
                      >

                      > I seem to be trouble wherever I go...
                      >
                      >
                      > Dr Chris
                      >
                      >> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:37:50 -0400
                      >> From: Gregory.Fraser@...
                      >> Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                      >> To: photoforum@...
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> I did not say that I felt Chris' posts should be blocked. That was
                      >> Mark.
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Nor did I say Karl's non-photo based posts should be blocked. Nor did I
                      >> say any of the other log term PF member's posts should be blocked even
                      >> when they stray from photography.
                      >>
                      >> There are a few members here that have kept PF alive for many years and
                      >> Dr Chris is one of them.
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Greg
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: Hans Klemmer [mailto:hansklemmer@...]
                      >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 09:59 AM
                      >> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                      >> <photoforum@...>
                      >> Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Mark & Greg,
                      >> Personally I do look forward to Dr. Chris' notes on whatever his subject
                      >> may be. I'ts a breath of fresh air that proves to all of us that we
                      >> have lives and challenges away from being behind the camera.
                      >>
                      >> Hans
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:40, mark@... wrote:
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>> -------- Original Message --------
                      >>> Subject: RE: tablet PC history
                      >>> From: Gregory Fraser <Gregory.Fraser@...>
                      >>> Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am
                      >>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                      >>> <photoforum@...>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>> From: Christopher Strevens
                      >>>> ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I
                      >>>>
                      >>> might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western
                      >>> culture.
                      >>>
                      >>> Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the
                      >>> world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.
                      >>>
                      >>> Not only that, but if you won't take care of yourself, who will?
                      >>> Anything someone or some organization gives you, can take it away and
                      >>> sooner or later probably will. Frankly I am totally amazed that the
                      >>> group has been this patient. Andy must be a saint. Your Drs and
                      >>> pills are not about photography. I would suspect most of us have at
                      >>> least some debt, and to pay it we work for money. Some might even be
                      >>> in debt for a camera. Some might have to go to work and use a camera.
                      >>> After a
                      >>> while they find that what they loved so much is now a chore. They
                      >>> have to do what they are told not what they want.
                      >>>
                      >>> It is my opinion that these types of post are inhibit the flow of
                      >>> posts about photography. This is a resource I find valuable and if
                      >>> the post were about photography, the no matter how off base I might
                      >>> think an idea to be, its valuable. A free exchange of ideas isn't
                      >>> just for the ideas with which you agree. I could take each of your
                      >>> points part by part and discuss them, but no one would want to hear
                      >>> that. This is a photography group Dr, and a political discussion from
                      >>> me is just as bad as from you. Just because no one responses to argue
                      >>> doesn't mean you have convinced them of anything or that they agree
                      >>> with you. Its much more likely they have just hit the ignore button.
                      >>>
                      >>
                      >
                    • John Palcewski
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                        On 8/3/12, asharpe@... <asharpe@...> wrote:
                        > Without eccentrics, the world (and photography, to stay on topic) would be
                        > a very boring place. I never know if Christopher Strevens is pulling my
                        > leg or not, and it doesn't matter (though I suspect his posts about his
                        > mother are as genuine as they are touching). He posts, contributes,
                        > critiques, and, in general, contributes a lot more than many of the
                        > members on this list.
                        >
                        > Andrew
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > On Fri, August 3, 2012 1:38 pm, Christopher Strevens wrote:
                        >>
                        >
                        >> I seem to be trouble wherever I go...
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> Dr Chris
                        >>
                        >>> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:37:50 -0400
                        >>> From: Gregory.Fraser@...
                        >>> Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                        >>> To: photoforum@...
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> I did not say that I felt Chris' posts should be blocked. That was
                        >>> Mark.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Nor did I say Karl's non-photo based posts should be blocked. Nor did I
                        >>> say any of the other log term PF member's posts should be blocked even
                        >>> when they stray from photography.
                        >>>
                        >>> There are a few members here that have kept PF alive for many years and
                        >>> Dr Chris is one of them.
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Greg
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> ----- Original Message -----
                        >>> From: Hans Klemmer [mailto:hansklemmer@...]
                        >>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 09:59 AM
                        >>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                        >>> <photoforum@...>
                        >>> Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Mark & Greg,
                        >>> Personally I do look forward to Dr. Chris' notes on whatever his subject
                        >>> may be. I'ts a breath of fresh air that proves to all of us that we
                        >>> have lives and challenges away from being behind the camera.
                        >>>
                        >>> Hans
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:40, mark@... wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> -------- Original Message --------
                        >>>> Subject: RE: tablet PC history
                        >>>> From: Gregory Fraser <Gregory.Fraser@...>
                        >>>> Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am
                        >>>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                        >>>> <photoforum@...>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>> From: Christopher Strevens
                        >>>>> ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I
                        >>>>>
                        >>>> might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western
                        >>>> culture.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the
                        >>>> world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Not only that, but if you won't take care of yourself, who will?
                        >>>> Anything someone or some organization gives you, can take it away and
                        >>>> sooner or later probably will. Frankly I am totally amazed that the
                        >>>> group has been this patient. Andy must be a saint. Your Drs and
                        >>>> pills are not about photography. I would suspect most of us have at
                        >>>> least some debt, and to pay it we work for money. Some might even be
                        >>>> in debt for a camera. Some might have to go to work and use a camera.
                        >>>> After a
                        >>>> while they find that what they loved so much is now a chore. They
                        >>>> have to do what they are told not what they want.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> It is my opinion that these types of post are inhibit the flow of
                        >>>> posts about photography. This is a resource I find valuable and if
                        >>>> the post were about photography, the no matter how off base I might
                        >>>> think an idea to be, its valuable. A free exchange of ideas isn't
                        >>>> just for the ideas with which you agree. I could take each of your
                        >>>> points part by part and discuss them, but no one would want to hear
                        >>>> that. This is a photography group Dr, and a political discussion from
                        >>>> me is just as bad as from you. Just because no one responses to argue
                        >>>> doesn't mean you have convinced them of anything or that they agree
                        >>>> with you. Its much more likely they have just hit the ignore button.
                        >>>>
                        >>>
                        >>
                        >
                        >
                      • John Palcewski
                        I second that emotion!
                        Message 11 of 17 , Aug 3, 2012
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                          I second that emotion!

                          On 8/3/12, John Palcewski <palcewski@...> wrote:
                          > On 8/3/12, asharpe@... <asharpe@...> wrote:
                          >> Without eccentrics, the world (and photography, to stay on topic) would
                          >> be
                          >> a very boring place. I never know if Christopher Strevens is pulling my
                          >> leg or not, and it doesn't matter (though I suspect his posts about his
                          >> mother are as genuine as they are touching). He posts, contributes,
                          >> critiques, and, in general, contributes a lot more than many of the
                          >> members on this list.
                          >>
                          >> Andrew
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> On Fri, August 3, 2012 1:38 pm, Christopher Strevens wrote:
                          >>>
                          >>
                          >>> I seem to be trouble wherever I go...
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> Dr Chris
                          >>>
                          >>>> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:37:50 -0400
                          >>>> From: Gregory.Fraser@...
                          >>>> Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                          >>>> To: photoforum@...
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I did not say that I felt Chris' posts should be blocked. That was
                          >>>> Mark.
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Nor did I say Karl's non-photo based posts should be blocked. Nor did I
                          >>>> say any of the other log term PF member's posts should be blocked even
                          >>>> when they stray from photography.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> There are a few members here that have kept PF alive for many years and
                          >>>> Dr Chris is one of them.
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Greg
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                          >>>> From: Hans Klemmer [mailto:hansklemmer@...]
                          >>>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 09:59 AM
                          >>>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                          >>>> <photoforum@...>
                          >>>> Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Mark & Greg,
                          >>>> Personally I do look forward to Dr. Chris' notes on whatever his
                          >>>> subject
                          >>>> may be. I'ts a breath of fresh air that proves to all of us that we
                          >>>> have lives and challenges away from being behind the camera.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Hans
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:40, mark@... wrote:
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>>
                          >>>>>
                          >>>>>
                          >>>>> -------- Original Message --------
                          >>>>> Subject: RE: tablet PC history
                          >>>>> From: Gregory Fraser <Gregory.Fraser@...>
                          >>>>> Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am
                          >>>>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                          >>>>> <photoforum@...>
                          >>>>>
                          >>>>>
                          >>>>>> From: Christopher Strevens
                          >>>>>> ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I
                          >>>>>>
                          >>>>> might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western
                          >>>>> culture.
                          >>>>>
                          >>>>> Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the
                          >>>>> world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.
                          >>>>>
                          >>>>> Not only that, but if you won't take care of yourself, who will?
                          >>>>> Anything someone or some organization gives you, can take it away and
                          >>>>> sooner or later probably will. Frankly I am totally amazed that the
                          >>>>> group has been this patient. Andy must be a saint. Your Drs and
                          >>>>> pills are not about photography. I would suspect most of us have at
                          >>>>> least some debt, and to pay it we work for money. Some might even be
                          >>>>> in debt for a camera. Some might have to go to work and use a camera.
                          >>>>> After a
                          >>>>> while they find that what they loved so much is now a chore. They
                          >>>>> have to do what they are told not what they want.
                          >>>>>
                          >>>>> It is my opinion that these types of post are inhibit the flow of
                          >>>>> posts about photography. This is a resource I find valuable and if
                          >>>>> the post were about photography, the no matter how off base I might
                          >>>>> think an idea to be, its valuable. A free exchange of ideas isn't
                          >>>>> just for the ideas with which you agree. I could take each of your
                          >>>>> points part by part and discuss them, but no one would want to hear
                          >>>>> that. This is a photography group Dr, and a political discussion from
                          >>>>> me is just as bad as from you. Just because no one responses to argue
                          >>>>> doesn't mean you have convinced them of anything or that they agree
                          >>>>> with you. Its much more likely they have just hit the ignore button.
                          >>>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >
                        • John Palcewski
                          I mean Andy s emotion, that is.
                          Message 12 of 17 , Aug 3, 2012
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                            I mean Andy's emotion, that is.

                            On 8/3/12, John Palcewski <palcewski@...> wrote:
                            > I second that emotion!
                            >
                            > On 8/3/12, John Palcewski <palcewski@...> wrote:
                            >> On 8/3/12, asharpe@... <asharpe@...> wrote:
                            >>> Without eccentrics, the world (and photography, to stay on topic) would
                            >>> be
                            >>> a very boring place. I never know if Christopher Strevens is pulling my
                            >>> leg or not, and it doesn't matter (though I suspect his posts about his
                            >>> mother are as genuine as they are touching). He posts, contributes,
                            >>> critiques, and, in general, contributes a lot more than many of the
                            >>> members on this list.
                            >>>
                            >>> Andrew
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> On Fri, August 3, 2012 1:38 pm, Christopher Strevens wrote:
                            >>>>
                            >>>
                            >>>> I seem to be trouble wherever I go...
                            >>>>
                            >>>>
                            >>>> Dr Chris
                            >>>>
                            >>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:37:50 -0400
                            >>>>> From: Gregory.Fraser@...
                            >>>>> Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                            >>>>> To: photoforum@...
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> I did not say that I felt Chris' posts should be blocked. That was
                            >>>>> Mark.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> Nor did I say Karl's non-photo based posts should be blocked. Nor did
                            >>>>> I
                            >>>>> say any of the other log term PF member's posts should be blocked even
                            >>>>> when they stray from photography.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> There are a few members here that have kept PF alive for many years
                            >>>>> and
                            >>>>> Dr Chris is one of them.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> Greg
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
                            >>>>> From: Hans Klemmer [mailto:hansklemmer@...]
                            >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 09:59 AM
                            >>>>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                            >>>>> <photoforum@...>
                            >>>>> Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> Mark & Greg,
                            >>>>> Personally I do look forward to Dr. Chris' notes on whatever his
                            >>>>> subject
                            >>>>> may be. I'ts a breath of fresh air that proves to all of us that we
                            >>>>> have lives and challenges away from being behind the camera.
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> Hans
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>> On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:40, mark@... wrote:
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
                            >>>>>> Subject: RE: tablet PC history
                            >>>>>> From: Gregory Fraser <Gregory.Fraser@...>
                            >>>>>> Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am
                            >>>>>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                            >>>>>> <photoforum@...>
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>>> From: Christopher Strevens
                            >>>>>>> ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I
                            >>>>>>>
                            >>>>>> might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western
                            >>>>>> culture.
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>> Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the
                            >>>>>> world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>> Not only that, but if you won't take care of yourself, who will?
                            >>>>>> Anything someone or some organization gives you, can take it away and
                            >>>>>> sooner or later probably will. Frankly I am totally amazed that the
                            >>>>>> group has been this patient. Andy must be a saint. Your Drs and
                            >>>>>> pills are not about photography. I would suspect most of us have at
                            >>>>>> least some debt, and to pay it we work for money. Some might even be
                            >>>>>> in debt for a camera. Some might have to go to work and use a
                            >>>>>> camera.
                            >>>>>> After a
                            >>>>>> while they find that what they loved so much is now a chore. They
                            >>>>>> have to do what they are told not what they want.
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>> It is my opinion that these types of post are inhibit the flow of
                            >>>>>> posts about photography. This is a resource I find valuable and if
                            >>>>>> the post were about photography, the no matter how off base I might
                            >>>>>> think an idea to be, its valuable. A free exchange of ideas isn't
                            >>>>>> just for the ideas with which you agree. I could take each of your
                            >>>>>> points part by part and discuss them, but no one would want to hear
                            >>>>>> that. This is a photography group Dr, and a political discussion
                            >>>>>> from
                            >>>>>> me is just as bad as from you. Just because no one responses to argue
                            >>>>>> doesn't mean you have convinced them of anything or that they agree
                            >>>>>> with you. Its much more likely they have just hit the ignore button.
                            >>>>>>
                            >>>>>
                            >>>>
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>
                            >
                          • Tina Manley
                            +1 I agree 100% Tina ... Tina Manley, ASMP www.tinamanley.com
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                              +1  I agree 100%

                              Tina

                              On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM, <asharpe@...> wrote:
                              Without eccentrics, the world (and photography, to stay on topic) would be
                              a very boring place. I never know if Christopher Strevens is pulling my
                              leg or not, and it doesn't matter (though I suspect his posts about his
                              mother are as genuine as they are touching). He posts, contributes,
                              critiques, and, in general, contributes a lot more than many of the
                              members on this list.

                              Andrew

                              -- 
                              Tina Manley, ASMP
                              www.tinamanley.com
                            • Don Roberts
                              Andrew is right on, as usual. Chris, your life and photography have touched many of us. Don t worry about a few critics. I suspect you don t. Just keep on
                              Message 14 of 17 , Aug 3, 2012
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                                Andrew is right on, as usual.  Chris, your life and photography have touched many of us.  Don't worry about a few critics.  I suspect you don't.  Just keep on with your life and participation in PhotoForum, please. 
                                Don

                                On 8/3/12 5:33 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
                                +1  I agree 100%

                                Tina

                                On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM, <asharpe@...> wrote:
                                Without eccentrics, the world (and photography, to stay on topic) would be
                                a very boring place. I never know if Christopher Strevens is pulling my
                                leg or not, and it doesn't matter (though I suspect his posts about his
                                mother are as genuine as they are touching). He posts, contributes,
                                critiques, and, in general, contributes a lot more than many of the
                                members on this list.

                                Andrew

                                -- 
                                Tina Manley, ASMP
                                www.tinamanley.com


                              • MichaelHughes7A@aol.com
                                Not having contributed on this topic can I simply suggest we move the forum on to a new topic. Those who like reading Chris s contributions are welcome to do
                                Message 15 of 17 , Aug 3, 2012
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                                  Not having contributed on this topic can I simply suggest we move the forum on to a new topic. Those who like reading Chris's contributions are welcome to do so, those who do not are neither under an obligation to read what he says nor to discuss the matter.
                                   
                                  Michael in Norwich, UK
                                • Hans Klemmer
                                  Two of my fav. little quotes: That so few now dare to be eccentric, marks the chief danger of the time --John Stuart Mill (1806-73) I am convinced that the
                                  Message 16 of 17 , Aug 3, 2012
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                                    Two of my fav. little quotes:

                                    "That so few now dare to be eccentric, marks the chief
                                    danger of the time"
                                    --John Stuart Mill (1806-73)


                                    "I am convinced that the only people worthy of consideration 
                                    in this world are the unusual ones. For the common folk are 
                                    like the leaves of a tree, and live and die unnoticed."
                                    The Scarecrow from The Land of Oz by L. Frank Baum

                                    Hans


                                    On 3 Aug 2012, at 23:33, Tina Manley wrote:

                                    +1  I agree 100%

                                    Tina

                                    On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM, <asharpe@...> wrote:
                                    Without eccentrics, the world (and photography, to stay on topic) would be
                                    a very boring place. I never know if Christopher Strevens is pulling my
                                    leg or not, and it doesn't matter (though I suspect his posts about his
                                    mother are as genuine as they are touching). He posts, contributes,
                                    critiques, and, in general, contributes a lot more than many of the
                                    members on this list.

                                    Andrew

                                    -- 
                                    Tina Manley, ASMP
                                    www.tinamanley.com

                                  • YGelmanPhoto
                                    I have to put my two cents in on this topic. What is interesting to me -- in a negative way -- is how quickly members jump in to comment on a subject such as
                                    Message 17 of 17 , Aug 3, 2012
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                                      I have to put my two cents in on this topic.

                                      What is interesting to me -- in a negative way -- is how quickly
                                      members jump in to comment on a subject such as this whereas
                                      discussions of photography are rare.

                                      I agree with Andrew. Whether or not Chris is pulling my leg, there is
                                      no reason to object to his posts; in fact he contributes his photos
                                      more frequently than just about all of us and in doing so he
                                      contributes to this forum much more than others.

                                      'Nuff said.

                                      -yoram

                                      On Aug 3, 2012, at 5:23 PM, asharpe@... wrote:

                                      > Without eccentrics, the world (and photography, to stay on topic)
                                      > would be
                                      > a very boring place. I never know if Christopher Strevens is pulling
                                      > my
                                      > leg or not, and it doesn't matter (though I suspect his posts about
                                      > his
                                      > mother are as genuine as they are touching). He posts, contributes,
                                      > critiques, and, in general, contributes a lot more than many of the
                                      > members on this list.
                                      >
                                      > Andrew
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > On Fri, August 3, 2012 1:38 pm, Christopher Strevens wrote:
                                      >>
                                      >
                                      >> I seem to be trouble wherever I go...
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> Dr Chris
                                      >>
                                      >>> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 11:37:50 -0400
                                      >>> From: Gregory.Fraser@...
                                      >>> Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                                      >>> To: photoforum@...
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> I did not say that I felt Chris' posts should be blocked. That was
                                      >>> Mark.
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Nor did I say Karl's non-photo based posts should be blocked. Nor
                                      >>> did I
                                      >>> say any of the other log term PF member's posts should be blocked
                                      >>> even
                                      >>> when they stray from photography.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> There are a few members here that have kept PF alive for many
                                      >>> years and
                                      >>> Dr Chris is one of them.
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Greg
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                      >>> From: Hans Klemmer [mailto:hansklemmer@...]
                                      >>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 09:59 AM
                                      >>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                                      >>> <photoforum@...>
                                      >>> Subject: Re: tablet PC history
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Mark & Greg,
                                      >>> Personally I do look forward to Dr. Chris' notes on whatever his
                                      >>> subject
                                      >>> may be. I'ts a breath of fresh air that proves to all of us that we
                                      >>> have lives and challenges away from being behind the camera.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Hans
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> On 3 Aug 2012, at 14:40, mark@... wrote:
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> -------- Original Message --------
                                      >>>> Subject: RE: tablet PC history
                                      >>>> From: Gregory Fraser <Gregory.Fraser@...>
                                      >>>> Date: Fri, August 03, 2012 8:05 am
                                      >>>> To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
                                      >>>> <photoforum@...>
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>>> From: Christopher Strevens
                                      >>>>> ...I have just sat up and found that I am floudering in debt and I
                                      >>>>>
                                      >>>> might have to work FOR money much as I hate this aspect of western
                                      >>>> culture.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> Just so you know, there are about 6,973,738,000 other people in the
                                      >>>> world who work for money. I don't want you to feel all alone.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> Not only that, but if you won't take care of yourself, who will?
                                      >>>> Anything someone or some organization gives you, can take it away
                                      >>>> and
                                      >>>> sooner or later probably will. Frankly I am totally amazed that
                                      >>>> the
                                      >>>> group has been this patient. Andy must be a saint. Your Drs and
                                      >>>> pills are not about photography. I would suspect most of us have
                                      >>>> at
                                      >>>> least some debt, and to pay it we work for money. Some might
                                      >>>> even be
                                      >>>> in debt for a camera. Some might have to go to work and use a
                                      >>>> camera.
                                      >>>> After a
                                      >>>> while they find that what they loved so much is now a chore. They
                                      >>>> have to do what they are told not what they want.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>> It is my opinion that these types of post are inhibit the flow of
                                      >>>> posts about photography. This is a resource I find valuable and if
                                      >>>> the post were about photography, the no matter how off base I might
                                      >>>> think an idea to be, its valuable. A free exchange of ideas isn't
                                      >>>> just for the ideas with which you agree. I could take each of your
                                      >>>> points part by part and discuss them, but no one would want to hear
                                      >>>> that. This is a photography group Dr, and a political discussion
                                      >>>> from
                                      >>>> me is just as bad as from you. Just because no one responses to
                                      >>>> argue
                                      >>>> doesn't mean you have convinced them of anything or that they agree
                                      >>>> with you. Its much more likely they have just hit the ignore
                                      >>>> button.
                                      >>>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>
                                      >
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