Re: [pfaf] Looking for bigger seeds and flimsier cones to develop alder as a grain crop
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inverse <inverse@...> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Michael BellThank you!
>> I have a project to develop alder (Alnus glutinosa) as a grain crop.
>> My reasons for this are:-
>> Britain cannot feed itself because half its land is too high and cold
>> for grain production. This is not because this land is infertile, the
>> tree-line is much higher than the crop line. It is because the main
>> grain crops originated in the Mediterranean and they are at the limit
> Hi Michael,
> I find your project fascinating. I wish you success!
>> * It is a tree; it can be more productive than a herb crop.My methods sift through very large numbers. That's important for
> * It fixes nitrogen. Nitrate fertilisers are expensive and a big
>> source of CO2 production.
>> * It is a tree, once established it is insensitive to weather
>> * It is a tree, it does not need weeding and chemical weedkilling.
>> I've got to agree with you. My problem is growing food without the aid of
> chemistry and fossil fuels (most nitrogen-based fertilisers require methane
> for their synthesis), chestnuts grow fine at my premises but are being hit
> by dryocosmus kuriphilus.
> I still don't know if my particular trees are resistant enough to survive
> the infestation, this year they did fine and produced a lot but I can't
> trust them too much. I've already noticed two smaller dead branches.
> Therefore I'm looking forward to growing annual and perennial herbaceous
> plants too.
> One question, does chenopodium album grow fine on the highlands too?Chenopodium album http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenopodium_album does
> I've found it in the Alps up to 1200-1500m.
grow on ploughed land at 180 M in the Cheviot hills (the hills which
form the border between England and Scotland) but I've never seen it
higher, but that is probably because land any higher is not usually
ploughed and the ground is normally thickly covered by grass and
heather. But now you have put the point to me, I do know of farms at
320 M, so next time I go past I will have a look. Britain is not a
country of mountains, rather it has a lot of hills.
- Hi Michael, I understand what you say about the main purpose being to feed people. But when you listed all the qualities of the alder you didn't just include the aspect of food, so I thought I would add some more. The more qualities a plant has the more valuable a resourse it becomes. In the future we may all have to hark back to less used methods of healing ourselves. If, as a by-product of alder production, you can you other aspects of the tree then that is all to the good.
I class myself more as animist / shamanic rather than wiccan, but I seem to be gathering quite a few friends who support and / or practise various aspects of the wiccan religion. I hope that in all my interactions with other people I wish upon them blessings and peace, regardless of my or their spiritual beliefs.
". . . the greatest peril of life lies in the fact that human food consists entirely of souls. All the creatures that we have to kill to eat, all those that we have to strike down and destroy to make clothes for ourselves, have souls, souls that do not perish with the body . . . All that exists lives."
from 'Shaman, the wounded healer' by J. Halifax, 1982
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:36:58 +0100
Subject: RE: [pfaf] Looking for bigger seeds and flimsier cones to develop alder as a grain cropElaine
I did know this, the main objective is to feed people and for that we
But other qualities are important too. Is it possible to cut off and
analyse part of a seed without killing the seed? Surely if the seed is
big enough. For the rather distant future I have in mind a vibratory
feeder, such as you get in factories for presenting screws and bolt,
which presents the seed, 1/second, lined up, the machine lowers a tiny
hot plate onto the tip (not the root) of the cotyledon and cooks it. A
mass spectrometer detects whether anything unusual has been found, and
if it has, it puts that seed aside. With chilled seeds, it might work.
There is no way of knowing what might be found.
Thank you for your blessings. Are you a Wicca?
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Elaine Sommers <elainesommers@...> wrote:
> In herbalism the bark and leaves of alnus glutinosa can be used as aNew Scientist discusses the possibility of cultured, laboratory-grown
> decoction for sore throats, pharyngitis and, with golden seal, for
> ". . . the greatest peril of life lies in the fact that human food
> consists entirely of souls. All the creatures that we have to kill to
> eat, all those that we have to strike down and destroy to make clothes
> for ourselves, have souls, souls that do not perish with the body . .
> . All that exists lives."
> from 'Shaman, the wounded healer' by J. Halifax, 1982
meant. Including human meat!